In one of the last pictures I have of me and my Grandma (a strict Catholic), I'm wearing a Dawkins "For Reason and Science" T-Shirt. I remember her asking me what it meant, and in my unrestrained pride, telling her about the atheist movement. She said nothing, but her face was shocked. Me and my family are back to the Church and I pray for her to see us.
Yeah, my Grandma was a devout Catholic, too. Of course, that's because she was _raised_ Catholic. If she had any other reason for believing that stuff, I don't know what it might be. How about you? You used to be an atheist, apparently. Did you find evidence that Catholic religious claims are actually _true?_ Or did you just find comfort in returning to your childhood beliefs? I'm an atheist because I've seen no good evidence that a god is real, rather than just imaginary - _any_ god, let alone a particular one. And evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. So, if you've actually _got_ something distinguishable from wishful-thinking, I'd love to hear it.
Ayan Hirsi Ali didnt just convert because of the usefulness of Christianity. She lately described a true conversion on the Trigernometry podcast. It was a beautiful and humble testimony. ❤️
I’ve listened to this show for years as a podcast. I now look forward to watching this face to face discussion every week on UA-cam. Sometimes I even watch it twice. It reminds me of the old Firing Line show from years ago. Great show!
The problem is that "Cultural Christians" only want the faith around as a means to a docile populace. Without true believe in the tenets of the faith, that docility will not remain. People will gravitate towards other worldviews and an inevitable balkanization of society will follow. It may be a slow process, but it will occur.
@@praytopesci2794 Hopefully people are searching for truth in their faith. If not, then they'll be suckers for anything (whether they are religious or irreligious).
We need the Christianity that bears the image of God: the personal encounter with the Risen Christ and surrendering to it, otherwise it's a pretend Christianity. Ask, seek, knock. Learn. Only participating in the life of the Church, inside or outside the temple, with Christ at the center, the Spirit will move mountains.
While there are today well known old and plenty a new religions created solely for political maneuvering, Christianity fell into becoming indispensable political tool so that even Jesus in many christian circles is presented to be communist, advocating centralized mind control totalitarian subservient existence.
Yes but the chairs of the ex Churches the first University became national museum and expensive schools when they took the name of billionaires as Oxford or Harvard...ect...with the birth of Nations they became the devil schools when Man is more than God. A big lie
@davido3026 It would certainly be more correct if in writing you would write "church" with the capital *"C"* : *"Church"* , otherwise it would only refer to the building. 😇⛪
Thank you Bishop Barron for sharing the farm visit experience. It brought back my childhood memories of growing up on a farm without running water or electricity where I was by nature close to God. I feel sad that our young generation being addicted to electronics has lost that sense of closeness to God and resulted in what I believe is the loss of Christian values founded by the West particularly in early in the 15th century with missionaries being to Asia to convert that whole continent. We must restore America back to its founding ideals of God, family, and country. Harrison Butker's commencement speech should have been a welcoming one but instead of a storm of controversy.
As a former atheist, too many Christians believe in the revelation of belief and then behavior follows. Opposite is often true. You develop the habits because you know it’s for the better. The reasoning follows after the behavior.
@uverpro3598 Correct me if I am wrong but isn't behavior enacted on the basis of faith. Let me try to express my reasoning with an analogy. Lets take a student teacher relationship. A child that is learning how to do basic addition for the first time is trusting that the teacher is correct. That child is not saying to the teacher "Could you prove that 2+2=4?". That child doesn't actually know that 2+2=4 but just assumes that that is the correct answer. And from that develops a pattern recognition for the process of addition. Even in this analogy I don't know that the child, at the time, would think that this is good for them. Again I am open to correction on this matter.
Your reference to likening the strategy of evangelisation to playing tennis is ingenious. Always love listening to your conversations, which is very enlightening.
A very interesting discussion on this was posted recently on Pints with Aquinas- an interview with John Daniel Davidson on the “Neo-Paganism” of the United States and the Western world.
Our Lady of Help Christians, pray for us St. Maria Mazzarello, pray for us St. Dominic Savio, pray for us St. Joseph Cafasso, pray for us St. Nellie of Holy God, pray for us St. Elizabeth of Hungary, pray for us St. Jadwiga of Poland, pray for us St. Elizabeth of Trinity, pray for us St. John Bosco, pray for us Blessed Rolando Rivi, pray for us Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich, pray for us Blessed Laura Vicuña, pray for us Venerable Mary of Agreda, pray for us
"Is Christianity useful" is a weird question to ask, namely because it misses the point of Christianity and religion more broadly yet simultaneously has brought many people into or back into the faith. I guess the question could be reframed as "was Christ's sacrifice useful", and the only appropriate response to that question is "who cares." And I stress that the seeming apathy of that response is not toward Christ Himself (quite on the contrary), but to usefulness itself. It's akin to asking if the world is "useful" or my family is "useful". If you're going to ask the question, follow it up with "why" - why is it useful, and if it's not useful, why has something with little-to-no utility persisted for so long and remains so central to how we operate. My two cents
I think with Dawkins as he’s entering the twilight years, of his life and his now present softening of his stance. He is becoming somewhat fearful in that when his life ends is there really a God..
I agree! Nothing like facing the River Styx to cause a little re-thinking. He just has been very blessed to have had all his years. Too bad: imagine the influence for the ultimate GOOD he could have had during his previous years... But GOD's Grace, whenever...
I agree with both of you. But imagine how bad I feel for Christopher Hitchens who would have crossed over to eternity with shock… Dawkins is lucky to have the time to make these considerations now … many who they influenced … not so 😢
It was Paul Ricoeur who wrote : « Abstraitement séparées de l'expérience spirituelle qui les fonde, les valeurs sont comme des fleurs coupées dans un vase » - “Abstractly, separated from the spiritual experience which founds them, values are like cut flowers in a vase” [ Paul Ricœur: Du texte à l'action. Essais d'herméneutique II (1986), p 405.]
@@ChristianJune32002 No, I don't "believe" it, I SEE it in the Gospels (where Jesus speaks a hundred times of the "Father", but also of the "Holy Spirit" 😉).
The reason why you can’t reason your way into the purpose of truth is simply truth in itself is good. We don’t need to have a reason to do good except for goodness itself. In this sense love is good and to do good don’t need a reason except being in love with God.
Christians understand the truth, because they eat and drink the Truth Himself and read the Holy Bible. You cannot vote on the laws of existence, live and truth. It is exactly how God made it.
-- At that time Jesus said in reply, "I give you praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike." --
I can’t wait for this talk hopefully it will be a defining moment for the realiniement of humanity to the Supreme Reality of the Living God his most magnificent creation
... given the current trajectory & hypocrisies of "the West" may be the question should be: "Is the West Useful to Christianity?" "Freedom of conscience" in the West? Now? ... may be some moment some time ago, but not now ...
The problem with defining existence upon culture is that culture is not the end result; neither is what culture seems to provide. God is the only Who defines what it means to exist, and God does so because God is the great I Am. God is Love. There is a logic to love, and it is not meant for the purpose for which it is not defined. God is Holy and God sets the standard.
I'm really grateful that there's a Eucharistic pilgrimage from Minnesota as far South as things can possibly 🙏 go. I really hope this pilgrimage goes through the entire United States. 🙏 We need Jesus now, more than ever.
@ChristianJune32002 Tell this platform -- WOF -- how you think that the Way, the Truth, the Life -- is unbiblical. Ask Cardinal Barron. Talk to Him. You seem to be the one seeking the truth. Do you read the Bible?
As much as I love evangelization, I love the second part of the great commission: keep it Do we have as Christians, shelter for those seeking holiness? Cuz it's kind of rough out here for those who actually care and simply want to praise the Lord.
I would have loved to have Tom Holland in on this conversation. He has a very objective view that is quite positive based on extensive historian efforts. Where would society be without the power of the Christian doctrine over the centuries. Think about it. That fact alone underlines the truth of Christianity, its beliefs, and a reason to have faith.
I think Bishop Barron is one of the greatest theologians we have seen in a very long time. He's brilliant! I could listen to him for hours. God Bless you Bishop Barron!
Hi Father, you helped me convert to the Catholic faith, and I hope I have the opportunity to thank you personally one day. In this life or the next! PS this is a great video, with a pastoral invitation for Richard Dawkins. I hope he sees the opportunity to enter into all truth, and receives it gratefully.
Christianity is not western or European, it is a universal, global religion for everyone. The West was lucky enough to be largely defined by some amount of devotion to Christianity but the faith is certainly not just “western”
I wonder what Bishop Barron's thoughts are on the term "Judeo-Christian values", which sometimes I see used as another description for western values. As far as I can tell, it's a very recent term that originated post-WWII. Personally I think it's nonsense, and that it obfuscates critical differences between Jewish and Christian beliefs and values.
Yes, because the jews before the wwi and Wwii reject us every time The first 400 years of the Catholic church, we were persecuted for Hebrews until we were legal in Rome. After that, they created the rabinic Judaism to oppose us Remember, they can't accept Christ. For that reason, the judeo Cristian is a lie In American is more Calvinis value now they start to become more catholics
I might be convinced otherwise but I do like the Judeo-Christian term. While it could be considered to be a little redundant, as Christianity sprung from Judaism, it makes clear the same God is responsible for shaping democratic values. These democratic values are shared by Judaism.
@@stavokgMy understanding is that democracy sprang out of greek pagan culture originally. I believe that Judaism was a late adopter to the idea of democracy.
The West is where I learned and was brought up by my faith then I went for a while without going to church but no where without Jesus and now I don't go anywhere without Jesus an the west needs our faith more than ever in the west
I can understand very well the "cultural Christians", specially Mr. Dawkins. He is feeling the heat of islam conquering his country. Well... now, what can be done?
I do not judge. I forgive. Now, can someone please pass the instruments out? It seems to me we should be rocking out at about this time. Hasn''t there been enough explanation already?
All of us must remember God’s rules. And follow all of them. A good start is going to church every week without fail. A cultural Christian is happy to hug a tree. God is ignored!
Humans became humane when Christianity and its teachings spread across the globe. Also, faith is like a plant or trees that needs nourishments and care to get it right and not just for convenience. Thank you for this episode!
When no one is talking and the liability is high, doesn't that say something - no matter what side of the fence you're standing on? No matter what the matter is. Again, I am going to refer myself to the Gospel on this matter. Jesus Christ already said, "Watch."
Dawkins is making the same case for Christianity Benjamin Franklin made. He sees the good that comes from it on a societal/macro level and frames it in a utilitarian fashion. But while he sees the benefit of following Christ he doesn't want a relationship with Him. I'm sure he has his reasons. But the idea of a cultural Christian is a bit of a non-sequitur. He would be better served if he said he was a traditionalist or, God forbid, a conservative. He can't use those terms to describe himself though because he would be dropped from the invite list of most of the parties and gatherings he values above all else. The same for that woman who seems to see God as a construct to serve a political end rather than a spiritual one. It seems that she's attracted to the concept of a just and loving God but I didn't hear anything in there about a living God who is active in the world and desires a relationship with His children above all else. Terms and motives matter. Is it a first-step toward finding that relationship for wither of them? I dunno. I don't know their hearts. All I know there is more to being a Christian than following a set of rules and being a good person in your own eyes. You have to do the hard things like forgiving your enemies and praying for those who persecute you. Christ said even the tax-collectors love those who love them in return. It's one thing to believe, and another thing to follow. Even the demons believe in the power of Christ. I hope Dawkins and that woman find God and make their peace with Him. I hope that for myself as well. I'm such a work in progress that I'm probably the least qualified person to render a judgement on someone else's journey and the path they take. I don't know much but I do know if you knock the door will be opened. But you have to knock and you don't get a God on your terms, a higher power of your understanding as the new-age crowd likes to frame it. You get God, a Father who loves you. In fact He loves you so much He gives you the freedom to walk away from Him and His plan for your life. There is a whole lot more to it than a simple set of rules that are helpful in creating a better world. I wish them luck in their walk with God and I hope they find what it is they should be looking for.
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1 Corinthians 15:14-19
Excellent video. Good information. I like to cut to the chase: Jesus Christ is the Bridegroom. This is a time of preparation. The only way to prepare for that which you are preparing is to refer yourself to that which you are preparing for (which is kind of why, I think, Jesus said, I am the Alpha and the Omega). What is the preparation all about? This is a betrothal situation (see Jewish references and tradition, as well as the Gospel - it all lines up). Jesus Christ is the True Vine. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The Authority if Jesus Christ is the Authority of Jesus Christ. The command of Jesus Christ is the command of Jesus Christ. The commandments of Jesus Christ (per the Gospel) are life giving, salvific. What a wondrous thing God has done. For me, it is Gospel and the Ten Commandments or nothing.
I guess I could take some time trying to explain stuff. However, I think other people are probably better at that than I am. However, I can say one thing, and this is coming from a place of love, and of care for the church, the beloved bride of Jesus Christ. And in this is just my opinion. When it comes down to arguing,bI do not want to argue. I want to love how God calls calls me to love (first commandment first, second commandment second). Most of the time, arguments are like right stuff in wrong boxes. Any organizing a home or moving from one place to another understand what that is like. Let us go through the process of putting order, the best we can, or own lives, in context of the commandments of Jesus Christ. Jesus loves us.
This is going to be interesting . It’s a good question to ponder . Cause it doesn’t seem so unless it’s a fad where most can be vane or virtue signal. Christianity is a serious choice of sacrifice and a walk with hardship blossoming into this divine reflective beauty of wisdom of experience and relationship with the Father. They all suffered very much till most of their deaths . Many don’t think about this. I been thinking about this myself for a while now . I got a glimpse of what they went through, and it’s terrifying, n beautiful, but I’m still learning. It’s a life long process. It’s masacistic , it’s self sacrifice , it’s taking on pain that is not yours , which in itself takes a special type of people. I think of Kevin bacon “ Ty sir may I have another “ 😳🤔😱👑🔥. I will say it was finished when He said . THANK GOD FOR THAT. Respect n honor to those who take that upon themselves . How can the beast battle the saints with that understanding . Pure Evil also takes a special type of person. Respect Father Baron. Respect n peace . Zz ……. Wonder why they all wanted peace in the end. Hope that makes sence 🗝️👑🦚🕊️🙏🙌🏼🫖
Yes. Christianity is useful to the west. It helps us to recognize what individual freedom means and what sort of government is needed to provide, nurture and protect it, especially to protect it from being eroded by other systems that may make similar claims, but operate very differently. Gradually western society has become more and more secularized but people seem to forget that our whole judicial system and the principles upon which a democracy can function, have evolved due to the influence of Judaism, and Christian beliefs on the meaning of higher values like beauty, goodness, truth and ,,love,, and how, in relating these concepts to the sacred religious teachings, each of us may develope and grow in our individual capacity to live out these values in our civic lives, helping others to do likewise. This is incredibly useful, plus, the churches are a support to individuals, family and the larger community. We do not need a system like sharia law as an inducement, incentive or means of enforcing or Christian or Jewish morality. It strikes me as a means of coersive control that is limiting to systems of governing that allow for of freedom of individual will, a fundamental freedom considered to be God-given, a gift of God, in whose image we are created. Sharia law may be a very useful means of maintaining strict adherence to restricting certain practices or thoughts as being a means of asserting that this may be a moral choice, but is it a moral choice when people must submit to what is a policy decision, decreed by the Islamic State, that no one person has the freedom to oppose or not without serious reprisal or fear of personal suffering. My point is not to discredit Islam, per se, but to point out the differences between our societies, their their origins and the options they offer or are designed to offer to individuals, because otherwise we may be labouring under the false impression that our deeper desires and values, will meet with the same respect by others, that we are willing to sacrifice for them.
That's a bit like asking , what came first, the chicken or the egg, but it seems that the knowledge of God , that came into life, or call it, ,,life,, through the birth, life, and death of Jesus, was designed to impart provision to our understanding of the ,,Trinity,, as the central motif that conjoins us to a living appreciation of ourselves and others as ,,part and parcel,, of Gods creative purpose, in which we are all involved and may play a part. As we become aware of the Trinity in its full capacity to alter us, we are made aware gradually, i.e., remade in ,,seeing,, and understanding God's being ,,in us,, versus being castaways on a shifting ocean of disjointed meaning and/or discernable purpose, outside of a knowledge or means, i.e., the Trinity, for relating us to God's purpose. So, yes, I would say the Trinitarian is Biblical. The Bible is a story about us and about the development of our awareness of the meaning of God in the context of past lives lived and the bearing they still have on the present,especially for our good, and beyond, as our own lives play out depending, or not, on the knowledge of that connection of God to us,... whether it is acknowledged by us or not.
First of all, why not give me what you consider to be most relevant to describing trinitarianism, in your view, so I can best fulfill your request....then, I'll do my best to present the findings, when the time comes.
The problem with the word, religion is a matter of language - a language that supposes that policies and customs define the context for what God has declared and commanded. Taking Jesus Christ at His word is vital. That is priority number one. Vital means live on the Word of God. The fact is that Jesus Christ is in full Authority, and existence is defined by the command of Jesus Christ. The social context does matter, and that is why Jesus talked about that when He gave the second commandment.
Recall arriving at the conclussion of 'Intellectual Laziness' in Philosophy when discussing Dawkins and nothing learned since has changed the original opinion. His logic was/is faulty when he chooses not to allow questions to naturally rise upon being compelled by the beautiful. Suspect he's lying for argument's sake when disconnecting beauty from the good and the true. He may argue or debate well; but in the end he's simply lazy or too prideful to be taken seriously in matters of faith or lack. He's much as Jefferson with omitting miracles in The Holy Bible with how he divides aspects of the Divine without recognizing all must be accepted as a whole with one aspect overlapping the others. Always find it fascinating to hear the dialogues in these segments...Such yummy bites to chew-on while discussing them with my horse after the rides when I curry her and we listen to CD's in these beautiful late afternoons. Thanks.
Christianity is essential to a valued life. That said I get quesy hearing this intersect of religion and politics. Didn't Christ say 'give to Caesar what goes to Caesar, give to God what is God's.?
Your Grace - Please…Do take care when slagging off Dawkins!.. He’s still very popular and writes ✍️ annoyingly well because he is annoyingly clever! His final reflection on the fruits of Christianity is perhaps the beginning of hopeful change in a brilliant soul, whom we should save - not cast away!
Christianity wasn’t demographically western for most of its first thousand years and hasn’t been demographically western for the last thirty years. It strikes me as very Protestant to centralize western, let alone North American political definitions experiences (in waxing and waining), and boundaries when it comes to a universal truth of Christ.
The strength of a belief in atheism appears to be it allows the self to be the self's god. However when the frailty of the self becomes tangible then the belief of the atheist proves to be of no value. I hope and pray that when they are faced with the bankruptcy of their belief they will then turn to Jesus and accept the Glory they formerly denied.
God will send right people at the right time.. for now God willing they will carry and navigate us to grow strong in faith..there are other priests too doing good job online in English and other world languages.
Unfortunately, as Christians, there are road tracks. It is like hey man, I did a good job, and then all of this random stuff tries to impede the very truth to which a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ is pertinent unto. I am not amused. Did you think you were going to get somewhere with me? I do not care who you are or where you come from. And quite frankly, I would like the third party conversation to be over with. It is like, are you done yet?
I'm with all this besides the right-wing "wokist" talk (to me "woke" is a political epithet and implies an insufficiently charitable engagement with those views, reminiscent of new age atheists), sorta took me out, but everything else was great 👍🏾
God is said to be the all good, almighty, omnicient, omnipresent, immortal, spiritual supreme being existing beyond time & space. Humans are none of the above. So if we're created in the image of God... is it a sort of inverted mirror image?
18:00 Does this man seriously believe there was equality in the Middle Ages or the Renaissance? That peasants were deemed imbued with the same dignity as noblemen? Has this man seriously never bothered to wonder why the word "nobleman" (noble man as opposed to everyone else) even existed at the height of the Church's power over society?
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In one of the last pictures I have of me and my Grandma (a strict Catholic), I'm wearing a Dawkins "For Reason and Science" T-Shirt. I remember her asking me what it meant, and in my unrestrained pride, telling her about the atheist movement. She said nothing, but her face was shocked. Me and my family are back to the Church and I pray for her to see us.
Yeah, my Grandma was a devout Catholic, too. Of course, that's because she was _raised_ Catholic. If she had any other reason for believing that stuff, I don't know what it might be.
How about you? You used to be an atheist, apparently. Did you find evidence that Catholic religious claims are actually _true?_ Or did you just find comfort in returning to your childhood beliefs?
I'm an atheist because I've seen no good evidence that a god is real, rather than just imaginary - _any_ god, let alone a particular one. And evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. So, if you've actually _got_ something distinguishable from wishful-thinking, I'd love to hear it.
Thank you Bishop. I just recently got confirmed into the Catholic Church and I thank God for this gift. God bless you and I love the videos.
Ayan Hirsi Ali didnt just convert because of the usefulness of Christianity. She lately described a true conversion on the Trigernometry podcast. It was a beautiful and humble testimony. ❤️
I’ve listened to this show for years as a podcast. I now look forward to watching this face to face discussion every week on UA-cam. Sometimes I even watch it twice. It reminds me of the old Firing Line show from years ago. Great show!
Religion is not about utility. It's about the truth.
Christianity, you mean
1TIMOTHY 3:15
yes you are right. It is about the truth, therefore we can trash religion.
The problem is that "Cultural Christians" only want the faith around as a means to a docile populace. Without true believe in the tenets of the faith, that docility will not remain. People will gravitate towards other worldviews and an inevitable balkanization of society will follow. It may be a slow process, but it will occur.
You are confusing faith for truth.
@@praytopesci2794 Hopefully people are searching for truth in their faith. If not, then they'll be suckers for anything (whether they are religious or irreligious).
Yes. We need Christianity. We need this more than ever.
As society crumbles around our feet...
We need the Christianity that bears the image of God: the personal encounter with the Risen Christ and surrendering to it, otherwise it's a pretend Christianity.
Ask, seek, knock. Learn. Only participating in the life of the Church, inside or outside the temple, with Christ at the center, the Spirit will move mountains.
While there are today well known old and plenty a new religions created solely for political maneuvering, Christianity fell into becoming indispensable political tool so that even Jesus in many christian circles is presented to be communist, advocating centralized mind control totalitarian subservient existence.
The Catholic Church shaped the Western culture!!!
CORRECT.
Yes but the chairs of the ex Churches the first University became national museum and expensive schools when they took the name of billionaires as Oxford or Harvard...ect...with the birth of Nations they became the devil schools when Man is more than God. A big lie
No, I don't think the Catholic Church _invented_ child rape. They just encouraged it.
"How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization" by Thomas Woods lays this out extremely well.
@davido3026
It would certainly be more correct if in writing you would write "church" with the capital
*"C"* : *"Church"* , otherwise it would only refer to the building. 😇⛪
Thank you Bishop Barron! Stand up for us and most importantly God!
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Excellent discussion. Thank you, Bishop Barron. And @MattPetrusek, I love the new Word on Fire Show format
I love the discussion! So happy to learn new tools to have better conversations!
Thank you Bishop Barron for sharing the farm visit experience. It brought back my childhood memories of growing up on a farm without running water or electricity where I was by nature close to God. I feel sad that our young generation being addicted to electronics has lost that sense of closeness to God and resulted in what I believe is the loss of Christian values founded by the West particularly in early in the 15th century with missionaries being to Asia to convert that whole continent. We must restore America back to its founding ideals of God, family, and country. Harrison Butker's commencement speech should have been a welcoming one but instead of a storm of controversy.
Dawkin’s “cultural Christianity” is essentially saying “I enjoy eating the cake, but I refuse to believe there is a baker”
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Toning the moon will be the Waning Gibbous phase not phasing to the south.
@ChristianJune32002 Yes, of course. 100%
@@davido3026 How is trinitarianism biblical?
As a former atheist, too many Christians believe in the revelation of belief and then behavior follows.
Opposite is often true. You develop the habits because you know it’s for the better. The reasoning follows after the behavior.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@uverpro3598 Correct me if I am wrong but isn't behavior enacted on the basis of faith. Let me try to express my reasoning with an analogy. Lets take a student teacher relationship. A child that is learning how to do basic addition for the first time is trusting that the teacher is correct. That child is not saying to the teacher "Could you prove that 2+2=4?". That child doesn't actually know that 2+2=4 but just assumes that that is the correct answer. And from that develops a pattern recognition for the process of addition. Even in this analogy I don't know that the child, at the time, would think that this is good for them. Again I am open to correction on this matter.
Buen episodio, Saludos Obispo Barron
Your reference to likening the strategy of evangelisation to playing tennis is ingenious. Always love listening to your conversations, which is very enlightening.
A very interesting discussion on this was posted recently on Pints with Aquinas- an interview with John Daniel Davidson on the “Neo-Paganism” of the United States and the Western world.
You Bishop Barron are a phenomenal “Tennis” player. Thank you so much! You make our faith so much easier to understand!
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for the good work you are doing. May God bless you mightily.
SO interesting, at many levels. I'll be watching/listening to this interview multiple times.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Christianity is what we always need for the Salvation of our Souls
I think too many people connect Christianity wit western culture, especially in the U.S.. it is auniversal faith!
Universal in Greek means Catholic!!!
Our Lady of Help Christians, pray for us
St. Maria Mazzarello, pray for us
St. Dominic Savio, pray for us
St. Joseph Cafasso, pray for us
St. Nellie of Holy God, pray for us
St. Elizabeth of Hungary, pray for us
St. Jadwiga of Poland, pray for us
St. Elizabeth of Trinity, pray for us
St. John Bosco, pray for us
Blessed Rolando Rivi, pray for us
Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich, pray for us
Blessed Laura Vicuña, pray for us
Venerable Mary of Agreda, pray for us
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
"Is Christianity useful" is a weird question to ask, namely because it misses the point of Christianity and religion more broadly yet simultaneously has brought many people into or back into the faith.
I guess the question could be reframed as "was Christ's sacrifice useful", and the only appropriate response to that question is "who cares."
And I stress that the seeming apathy of that response is not toward Christ Himself (quite on the contrary), but to usefulness itself. It's akin to asking if the world is "useful" or my family is "useful". If you're going to ask the question, follow it up with "why" - why is it useful, and if it's not useful, why has something with little-to-no utility persisted for so long and remains so central to how we operate.
My two cents
I think with Dawkins as he’s entering the twilight years, of his life and his now present softening of his stance. He is becoming somewhat fearful in that when his life ends is there really a God..
I agree! Nothing like facing the River Styx to cause a little re-thinking. He just has been very blessed to have had all his years. Too bad: imagine the influence for the ultimate GOOD he could have had during his previous years... But GOD's Grace, whenever...
I agree with both of you. But imagine how bad I feel for Christopher Hitchens who would have crossed over to eternity with shock… Dawkins is lucky to have the time to make these considerations now … many who they influenced … not so 😢
This is so helpful and encouraging. Thank you!
Wednesday, May 29, 2024
Thank you Bishop!
Can't wait to listen in the morning 😁🌄
It was Paul Ricoeur who wrote : « Abstraitement séparées de l'expérience spirituelle qui les fonde, les valeurs sont comme des fleurs coupées dans un vase » - “Abstractly, separated from the spiritual experience which founds them, values are like cut flowers in a vase”
[ Paul Ricœur: Du texte à l'action. Essais d'herméneutique II (1986), p 405.]
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@@ChristianJune32002 No, I don't "believe" it, I SEE it in the Gospels (where Jesus speaks a hundred times of the "Father", but also of the "Holy Spirit" 😉).
@@etienne_laforet Yeah so you believe it. Can you give me one verse that shows that trinitarianism is biblical?
I had a nice time hanging out with my Christian family in San Raphael recently. I thank God for what's going on.
Dawkins is starting a re-think though he won’t say that. Let’s pray for him daily. Can you. imagine?
“ you’ve planted a seed alright”!love you .
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
The reason why you can’t reason your way into the purpose of truth is simply truth in itself is good. We don’t need to have a reason to do good except for goodness itself. In this sense love is good and to do good don’t need a reason except being in love with God.
Dawkins wouldn't buy that! ;)
Christians understand the truth, because they eat and drink the Truth Himself and read the Holy Bible.
You cannot vote on the laws of existence, live and truth. It is exactly how God made it.
And the law of God is edifying, life giving, and gives joy and hope.
@@therealong Why would he, when he doesn't believe in Him.
That you, St. Thomas Aquinas?
Are we seeing the beginning of Richard Dawkins’ conversion? I pray for him and celebrate his new perspectives.
-- At that time Jesus said in reply, "I give you praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike." --
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@@lindacolandrea9752
Directed to those who do *not* understand the gist of Christianity, what else?
I can’t wait for this talk hopefully it will be a defining moment for the realiniement of humanity to the Supreme Reality of the Living God his most magnificent creation
Never be afraid of the journey, just the destination ☦️♥️✝️
... given the current trajectory & hypocrisies of "the West" may be the question should be: "Is the West Useful to Christianity?"
"Freedom of conscience" in the West? Now? ... may be some moment some time ago, but not now ...
“ thanks for the question, ya, I have zero empathy for that”.😂 love WOF and these fantastic discussions . Thanks for taking the time .
The problem with defining existence upon culture is that culture is not the end result; neither is what culture seems to provide. God is the only Who defines what it means to exist, and God does so because God is the great I Am.
God is Love.
There is a logic to love, and it is not meant for the purpose for which it is not defined.
God is Holy and God sets the standard.
I'm really grateful that there's a Eucharistic pilgrimage from Minnesota as far South as things can possibly 🙏 go. I really hope this pilgrimage goes through the entire United States. 🙏 We need Jesus now, more than ever.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@@ChristianJune32002 The real question might be do you believe that Trinitarianism is Biblical? And how can prove or disprove it with your answer?
@@DawnLapka I believe that trinitarianism is unbiblical. Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@ChristianJune32002 Tell this platform -- WOF -- how you think that the Way, the Truth, the Life -- is unbiblical. Ask Cardinal Barron. Talk to Him. You seem to be the one seeking the truth. Do you read the Bible?
@@DawnLapka I do read the Bible. How is trinitarianism biblical?
As much as I love evangelization, I love the second part of the great commission: keep it
Do we have as Christians, shelter for those seeking holiness? Cuz it's kind of rough out here for those who actually care and simply want to praise the Lord.
I would have loved to have Tom Holland in on this conversation. He has a very objective view that is quite positive based on extensive historian efforts. Where would society be without the power of the Christian doctrine over the centuries. Think about it. That fact alone underlines the truth of Christianity, its beliefs, and a reason to have faith.
W on F show…..excellent,thank you.
I think Bishop Barron is one of the greatest theologians we have seen in a very long time. He's brilliant! I could listen to him for hours. God Bless you Bishop Barron!
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
"Have we denied ourselves conceptually by not recognizing the unity of God's Trinity with his creation?"
Hi Father, you helped me convert to the Catholic faith, and I hope I have the opportunity to thank you personally one day. In this life or the next!
PS this is a great video, with a pastoral invitation for Richard Dawkins. I hope he sees the opportunity to enter into all truth, and receives it gratefully.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@@ChristianJune32002 I believe that Jesus taught us about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, yes.
@@caterinadc5567 What are the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?
@@ChristianJune32002 They are the one God.
@@caterinadc5567 Are they three living things?
Christianity is not western or European, it is a universal, global religion for everyone. The West was lucky enough to be largely defined by some amount of devotion to Christianity but the faith is certainly not just “western”
Dawkins will convert. Pray God allows him time. ❤️💙
I would like to send a song.
The song is by Neil Diamond, and the song is called Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show.
I wonder what Bishop Barron's thoughts are on the term "Judeo-Christian values", which sometimes I see used as another description for western values. As far as I can tell, it's a very recent term that originated post-WWII. Personally I think it's nonsense, and that it obfuscates critical differences between Jewish and Christian beliefs and values.
There are ideas that transition from Judaism to Christianity that are not secular. Like God is personal, and we are good and sin is real.
I think the zionists really pushes this idea after WW2. It is a psy op
Yes, because the jews before the wwi and Wwii reject us every time
The first 400 years of the Catholic church, we were persecuted for Hebrews until we were legal in Rome. After that, they created the rabinic Judaism to oppose us
Remember, they can't accept Christ. For that reason, the judeo Cristian is a lie
In American is more Calvinis value now they start to become more catholics
I might be convinced otherwise but I do like the Judeo-Christian term. While it could be considered to be a little redundant, as Christianity sprung from Judaism, it makes clear the same God is responsible for shaping democratic values. These democratic values are shared by Judaism.
@@stavokgMy understanding is that democracy sprang out of greek pagan culture originally. I believe that Judaism was a late adopter to the idea of democracy.
Thank you so much
For the record ~ looking 👀 forward; AGAIN; looking 👀 forward
The West is where I learned and was brought up by my faith then I went for a while without going to church but no where without Jesus and now I don't go anywhere without Jesus an the west needs our faith more than ever in the west
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
I can understand very well the "cultural Christians", specially Mr. Dawkins. He is feeling the heat of islam conquering his country. Well... now, what can be done?
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
I do not judge. I forgive.
Now, can someone please pass the instruments out? It seems to me we should be rocking out at about this time. Hasn''t there been enough explanation already?
That Gospel is so good. I tell you what. Trogain makes total sense to me.
All of us must remember God’s rules. And follow all of them. A good start is going to church every week without fail. A cultural Christian is happy to hug a tree. God is ignored!
I would like to send a song.
The song is by Alan Jackson, and the song is called, Where I Come From.
Humans became humane when Christianity and its teachings spread across the globe. Also, faith is like a plant or trees that needs nourishments and care to get it right and not just for convenience. Thank you for this episode!
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
@@ChristianJune32002Why do you keep asking that?
@@maryalexander8018 Because I want people to believe in the biblical God.
I would like to send a song. It is by a band called, Little Big Town, and the song is called Pontoon.
When no one is talking and the liability is high, doesn't that say something - no matter what side of the fence you're standing on? No matter what the matter is. Again, I am going to refer myself to the Gospel on this matter. Jesus Christ already said, "Watch."
Dawkins is making the same case for Christianity Benjamin Franklin made. He sees the good that comes from it on a societal/macro level and frames it in a utilitarian fashion. But while he sees the benefit of following Christ he doesn't want a relationship with Him. I'm sure he has his reasons. But the idea of a cultural Christian is a bit of a non-sequitur. He would be better served if he said he was a traditionalist or, God forbid, a conservative. He can't use those terms to describe himself though because he would be dropped from the invite list of most of the parties and gatherings he values above all else. The same for that woman who seems to see God as a construct to serve a political end rather than a spiritual one. It seems that she's attracted to the concept of a just and loving God but I didn't hear anything in there about a living God who is active in the world and desires a relationship with His children above all else. Terms and motives matter. Is it a first-step toward finding that relationship for wither of them? I dunno. I don't know their hearts.
All I know there is more to being a Christian than following a set of rules and being a good person in your own eyes. You have to do the hard things like forgiving your enemies and praying for those who persecute you. Christ said even the tax-collectors love those who love them in return. It's one thing to believe, and another thing to follow. Even the demons believe in the power of Christ.
I hope Dawkins and that woman find God and make their peace with Him. I hope that for myself as well. I'm such a work in progress that I'm probably the least qualified person to render a judgement on someone else's journey and the path they take. I don't know much but I do know if you knock the door will be opened. But you have to knock and you don't get a God on your terms, a higher power of your understanding as the new-age crowd likes to frame it. You get God, a Father who loves you. In fact He loves you so much He gives you the freedom to walk away from Him and His plan for your life. There is a whole lot more to it than a simple set of rules that are helpful in creating a better world. I wish them luck in their walk with God and I hope they find what it is they should be looking for.
Your Excellency, it is the West.
Literally had the same thought
NO. ONE MORE TIME. OUR RELIGION IS ARAB, NOT EUROPEAN.
@@rich.mahoganyno
Came here to say this.
He is a modernist which means he is confused
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1 Corinthians 15:14-19
I think by Act 5 poor King Lear did regain his sanity, just in time for agonizing regret.
I would like to send a song:
It is by a band called Smash Mouth, and the song is called Walking on the Sun.
Posso mandar uma pergunta em português?
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Excellent video. Good information.
I like to cut to the chase:
Jesus Christ is the Bridegroom.
This is a time of preparation.
The only way to prepare for that which you are preparing is to refer yourself to that which you are preparing for (which is kind of why, I think, Jesus said, I am the Alpha and the Omega).
What is the preparation all about?
This is a betrothal situation (see Jewish references and tradition, as well as the Gospel - it all lines up).
Jesus Christ is the True Vine.
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Someone going to argue with a guy planning a wedding? I don't think so. It is his wedding.
The Authority if Jesus Christ is the Authority of Jesus Christ. The command of Jesus Christ is the command of Jesus Christ.
The commandments of Jesus Christ (per the Gospel) are life giving, salvific. What a wondrous thing God has done.
For me, it is Gospel and the Ten Commandments or nothing.
I guess I could take some time trying to explain stuff. However, I think other people are probably better at that than I am.
However, I can say one thing, and this is coming from a place of love, and of care for the church, the beloved bride of Jesus Christ. And in this is just my opinion. When it comes down to arguing,bI do not want to argue. I want to love how God calls calls me to love (first commandment first, second commandment second). Most of the time, arguments are like right stuff in wrong boxes. Any organizing a home or moving from one place to another understand what that is like. Let us go through the process of putting order, the best we can, or own lives, in context of the commandments of Jesus Christ. Jesus loves us.
I like Philip Yancee's book, entitled, "The Jesus I Never Knew", especially chapter three.
I would like to send a song:
The song is by Blake Shelton, and the song is called Hillbilly Bone.
I enjoy yout talk
Good stuff Amen 🙏
This is going to be interesting . It’s a good question to ponder . Cause it doesn’t seem so unless it’s a fad where most can be vane or virtue signal. Christianity is a serious choice of sacrifice and a walk with hardship blossoming into this divine reflective beauty of wisdom of experience and relationship with the Father. They all suffered very much till most of their deaths . Many don’t think about this. I been thinking about this myself for a while now . I got a glimpse of what they went through, and it’s terrifying, n beautiful, but I’m still learning. It’s a life long process. It’s masacistic , it’s self sacrifice , it’s taking on pain that is not yours , which in itself takes a special type of people. I think of Kevin bacon “ Ty sir may I have another “ 😳🤔😱👑🔥. I will say it was finished when He said . THANK GOD FOR THAT. Respect n honor to those who take that upon themselves . How can the beast battle the saints with that understanding . Pure Evil also takes a special type of person. Respect Father Baron. Respect n peace . Zz ……. Wonder why they all wanted peace in the end. Hope that makes sence 🗝️👑🦚🕊️🙏🙌🏼🫖
Dawkins is on his (the) way…..!
Yes. Christianity is useful to the west. It helps us to recognize what individual freedom means and what sort of government is needed to provide, nurture and protect it, especially to protect it from being eroded by other systems that may make similar claims, but operate very differently.
Gradually western society has become more and more secularized but people seem to forget that our whole judicial system and the principles upon which a democracy can function, have evolved due to the influence of Judaism, and Christian beliefs on the meaning of higher values like beauty, goodness, truth and ,,love,, and how, in relating these concepts to the sacred religious teachings, each of us may develope and grow in our individual capacity to live out these values in our civic lives, helping others to do likewise.
This is incredibly useful, plus, the churches are a support to individuals, family and the larger community.
We do not need a system like sharia law as an inducement, incentive or means of enforcing or Christian or Jewish morality.
It strikes me as a means of coersive control that is limiting to systems of governing that allow for of freedom of individual will, a fundamental freedom considered to be God-given, a gift of God, in whose image we are created.
Sharia law may be a very useful means of maintaining strict adherence to restricting certain practices or thoughts as being a means of asserting that this may be a moral choice, but is it a moral choice when people must submit to what is a policy decision, decreed by the Islamic State, that no one person has the freedom to oppose or not without serious reprisal or fear of personal suffering.
My point is not to discredit Islam, per se, but to point out the differences between our societies, their their origins and the options they offer or are designed to offer to individuals, because otherwise we may be labouring under the false impression that our deeper desires and values, will meet with the same respect by others, that we are willing to sacrifice for them.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
That's a bit like asking , what came first, the chicken or the egg, but it seems that the knowledge of God , that came into life, or call it, ,,life,, through the birth, life, and death of Jesus, was designed to impart provision to our understanding of the ,,Trinity,, as the central motif that conjoins us to a living appreciation of ourselves and others as ,,part and parcel,, of Gods creative purpose, in which we are all involved and may play a part.
As we become aware of the Trinity in its full capacity to alter us, we are made aware gradually, i.e., remade in ,,seeing,, and understanding God's being ,,in us,, versus being castaways on a shifting ocean of disjointed meaning and/or discernable purpose, outside of a knowledge or means, i.e., the Trinity, for relating us to God's purpose.
So, yes, I would say the Trinitarian is Biblical. The Bible is a story about us and about the development of our awareness of the meaning of God in the context of past lives lived and the bearing they still have on the present,especially for our good, and beyond, as our own lives play out depending, or not, on the knowledge of that connection of God to us,... whether it is acknowledged by us or not.
@@janeproctor5542 Can you give me a verse that shows that trinitarianism is biblical?
First of all, why not give me what you consider to be most relevant to describing trinitarianism, in your view, so I can best fulfill your request....then, I'll do my best to present the findings, when the time comes.
@@janeproctor5542 The union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Supreme Being.
I wouldn't be surprised if on his deathbed, Dawkins professes faith in God.
It's funny how the new atheists are becoming afraid of the monster they've created.
Frankenstein
The problem with the word, religion is a matter of language - a language that supposes that policies and customs define the context for what God has declared and commanded. Taking Jesus Christ at His word is vital. That is priority number one. Vital means live on the Word of God. The fact is that Jesus Christ is in full Authority, and existence is defined by the command of Jesus Christ. The social context does matter, and that is why Jesus talked about that when He gave the second commandment.
I love my sisters and brothers.
Dear priests,
Could you kindly re-include the cup. I am not worried about germs I would rather die drinking that cup than be denied it.
It would be impossible for men to live together, unless they believed one another, as declaring the truth one to another.
. -St Thomas Aquinas
Heal me Lord, favour me Lord, restore me Lord and bless me financially lord Amen!
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Isn`t it Dawkins who refused to debate N. T. Wright?
Recall arriving at the conclussion of 'Intellectual Laziness' in Philosophy when discussing Dawkins and nothing learned since has changed the original opinion. His logic was/is faulty when he chooses not to allow questions to naturally rise upon being compelled by the beautiful. Suspect he's lying for argument's sake when disconnecting beauty from the good and the true. He may argue or debate well; but in the end he's simply lazy or too prideful to be taken seriously in matters of faith or lack. He's much as Jefferson with omitting miracles in The Holy Bible with how he divides aspects of the Divine without recognizing all must be accepted as a whole with one aspect overlapping the others.
Always find it fascinating to hear the dialogues in these segments...Such yummy bites to chew-on while discussing them with my horse after the rides when I curry her and we listen to CD's in these beautiful late afternoons. Thanks.
Christianity to the West is a necessity.
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
Christianity is essential to a valued life. That said I get quesy hearing this intersect of religion and politics. Didn't Christ say 'give to Caesar what goes to Caesar, give to God what is God's.?
Your Grace - Please…Do take care when slagging off Dawkins!.. He’s still very popular and writes ✍️ annoyingly well because he is annoyingly clever! His final reflection on the fruits of Christianity is perhaps the beginning of hopeful change in a brilliant soul, whom we should save - not cast away!
Dawkins wants a big lovely television thats not plugged in.
Christianity wasn’t demographically western for most of its first thousand years and hasn’t been demographically western for the last thirty years. It strikes me as very Protestant to centralize western, let alone North American political definitions experiences (in waxing and waining), and boundaries when it comes to a universal truth of Christ.
What is it to eat from the trees . 🤔🤔🤔????
Nobody seriously disagrees with this proposition - even many great atheist thinkers realised this problem.
how is a single person to pay for a 1000 apt?
Do you believe that trinitarianism is biblical?
And the only way that is going to happen is by keeping commandment number one in first priority. Jesus Christ is brilliant.
The strength of a belief in atheism appears to be it allows the self to be the self's god. However when the frailty of the self becomes tangible then the belief of the atheist proves to be of no value. I hope and pray that when they are faced with the bankruptcy of their belief they will then turn to Jesus and accept the Glory they formerly denied.
We need to start getting more Catholics with such a broad appeal as Bishop Barron and Fr Schmidtz. They're tired.
God will send right people at the right time.. for now God willing they will carry and navigate us to grow strong in faith..there are other priests too doing good job online in English and other world languages.
Dawkins said that if he would be presented with proof of God, he would not believe it. Some scientist!
Unfortunately, as Christians, there are road tracks. It is like hey man, I did a good job, and then all of this random stuff tries to impede the very truth to which a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ is pertinent unto. I am not amused. Did you think you were going to get somewhere with me? I do not care who you are or where you come from. And quite frankly, I would like the third party conversation to be over with. It is like, are you done yet?
I'm with all this besides the right-wing "wokist" talk (to me "woke" is a political epithet and implies an insufficiently charitable engagement with those views, reminiscent of new age atheists), sorta took me out, but everything else was great 👍🏾
God is said to be the all good, almighty, omnicient, omnipresent, immortal, spiritual supreme being existing beyond time & space.
Humans are none of the above.
So if we're created in the image of God... is it a sort of inverted mirror image?
The problem with utility is that is makes an excuse for itself that is totally unfounded. Mathematicians understand this: 1/0.
They seem to forget the Western civilization was truly founded by Alexander the Great. Christianity came later.
18:00 Does this man seriously believe there was equality in the Middle Ages or the Renaissance? That peasants were deemed imbued with the same dignity as noblemen? Has this man seriously never bothered to wonder why the word "nobleman" (noble man as opposed to everyone else) even existed at the height of the Church's power over society?