Operating the M1819 Hall breech loading flintlock rifle with authentic cartridges
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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The loading mechanism was quite innovative for the period. It surprises me that other rifles makers did not adopt it as well.
This method was quite popular. The Austrian army already adopted it in the 1770s with the Crespi breech loader.
I think the invention of brass cases led to trap doors and bolt action rifles but I would love one
More than that. Interchangable parts in 1819 was very impressive
@@capandballBut why it wasn't manufactured for the mass?
I mean it could have won wars with the higher rate of fire compared to front loading muskets.
Napoleon could have won Waterloo with this
Probably cause other weapon manufacturers thought of other weapons at the time
I’m surprised by how snappy the action is!
Much better arm than what I thought. That's why firearms history is not possible to research without actually shooting these arms.
Nice! Happy to see the cartridges worked for you. I couldn’t get patched .530 balls to seat in mine
Mine are not patched. They are just wrapped in the cartridge paper and lubricated with tallow and beeswax.
@@capandball Ah, that explains it. I guess I need to make my own instead of lazily buying pre-made cartridges haha
@@capandball Hey, can you also talk about cleaning it without harming the National Armory brown lacquer finish? That part makes me nervous.
@@TenaciousTrilobite easy to make. I'll make a video about it.
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You are a welcome reprieve from some tough times and a lot of insanity happening all over the world. God bless you m8.
That rifle is in such lovely condition. I have visited Harpers Ferry many times since it is less than 100 miles from my home. So much history resides there. For you to have acquired that rifle is an absolute miracle. I wish I had one to shoot.
On my bucket list also. Hope next year I'll be able to travel to the US:
@@capandball I've visited Springfield Armory many times, the other national armory. It's also well worth visiting, because they have a gun museum there run by the National Park Service
I can't wait to see the full length video this is a very interesting firearm and advanced for the time
Fantastic to see one in such good shape, I had the opportunity to hold and operate the action of a flintlock Hall last summer but the springs were in much rougher shape than this one.
A wonderfull piece of both firearm and industrial history
Somehow I know this rifle 😉! I can't believe seen this old lady getting back on the range! I'm so glad it arrived without any problems, though I was worried because of the overall length. Anyway, Thank you for this video! Can't wait to see more 😍
Always had a soft spot for the hall. They were so durable that there's photos of Dahomey 'Amazons' using them into the 1890s
Fascinating. I enjoy seeing the technologic advances in firearms over the years.
What a beautiful rifle! Love to see it shoot. I had no idea originals made their way overseas, here they are pretty uncommon and only a few show up a year on online auctions. What a lucky guy!
we want more ! :)
And you will have it! :)
@@capandball :) :) it looks this rifle has an amazing and interesting mechanism. Looking forward to see it !! :)
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Fastest I've ever seen a flint loaded. Had never seen that model of a rifle before. Nice vid.
As a LOVER of History! Fellow BP shooter, stoners, Cappers, and the Paper Cartridge maker/builder!
NICE! GREAT JOB! Art! This Stoner Shot Better, Faster, and More Accurat? Than 30 to 40? yrs before it's time?
Still LOVE your 44 cartridge paper roller
Thanks AGAIN!
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Thank you for that, I will look forward to a full video.
As a matter of interest (to me), the M1819 Hall breech loading flintlock rifle.
It says rifle not musket!
Does that mean it was rifled?
Yes it is rifled not smooth bore.
WOW! Now that's a remarkable rifle!
We need a reproduction of this *NOW*
Agree!
Will definitely stay tuned, good things are coming our way, Boys.
*Cue the comments about how priming the pan before the loading the primary charge and ball is reckless and dangerous* 🤣
Still waiting for someone to explain how to do that with a paper cartridge haha
:) :)
that's a pretty reasonable rate of fire. I want one
Wish there was a repro available.
It'd be amazing if someone like...oh, I dunno...Pedersoli made a replica of the Hall.
>wink, wink< >nudge, nudge
What an amazing gun! Kind Thanks and a Very Merry Christmas to You and your Family, Dogs too of course! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Very nice to see a Hall rifle in action. Will you try the breech by itself? I understand that was done for a field expedient pistol.
Yes, I have seem one video showing the firing of the breech as a pistol. We'll see.
If I remember the description of the Hall rifle from my father's copy of Harold R. Peterson's The Book Of The Gun, removing the breech block was primarily a feature of the percussion version of the Hall.
I'm guessing that the greater convenience of the percussion ignition, and the fact that those later Hall rifles were used during the Mexican-American War and subsequent occupation of parts of Mexico drove the practise.
Fact:
This is the rifle Travis uses in Old Yeller (1957)
Thats a lot less hassle than going down the whole barrel.
Yes, but we shoot black powder because we like the hassle very much. :)
That rifle appears to hit pretty hard. Well done.
I always found the Hall’s action very eligant.
Best rifle in my opinion.
That thing is beauiful
Absolutely beautiful!
Great video! I also shoot a Hall’s rifle but mine was converted to percussion prior to the American civil war. Very fun rifle to shoot.
Is it the same .52 calibre?
@@capandball yes. Exactly the same
@@capandball your cartridges look nearly identical to mine. Did you use one piece of string for all the ties or two?
@@bgeipel I used two strings, because my bullets are a bit larger in diameter (.528-530 vs .525) meaning that the string would increase the diameter of the whole cartridge around the ball, so it would be hard to push it into the chamber. The most convenient way to load was: halfcock hammer, open pan, open chamber, bite cartridge, prime pan, close frizzen, charge powder, turn cartridge, insert ball, tear off remaining paper, close breech, cock hammer, fire. By the way: did you find any contemporary instructions for loading the rifle? What I found was only the 1841 Cavalry Tactics. But nothing yet for the flintlock.
@@capandballI know early on they were loading with a dedicated powder/ball flask. I haven’t been able to find much about the “proper” loading procedure for paper cartridges.
There’s an 1838 House Journal from the Tennessee House of Representatives that states the US government gave them both “Hall’s rifle flasks” and “Hall’s rifle cartridges” for an 1836 expedition, so they at least had cartridges by then.
Wow! That was really cool.!
I wonder why Pedersoli has never made a reproduction. Would it be too expensive to produce and sell as a result?
I think so, but a Sharps is the same. It all depends when a new product can reach the break even.
Beautiful!
What a great manteak love old shooters 🤗 and that's an interesting one 👍
How difficult do you reckon it would be to reload this gun while prone? Considering that was one of the principle advantages most breech loaders of the time offered, I wonder if this may not be seen as a bit of a failure by men of the time even if it looks reliable and snappy.
It is quite convenient I guess. I did not try the prone position - so far - in the snow, but I'll promiss I'll try. As the chamber pops up in an angle, it seems to be comfortable, as the muzzle has to be elevated only in limited angle.
The fact you didn't need to use a ramrod probably makes it easier to load and shoot while prone than the typical muzzleloader. It should also be noted that this was a rifled gun instead of smoothbore one making it much more accurate. The breachloading action also bypassed the usual downside of a long and difficult reload process with contemporary muzzeloading rifled guns since there was no longer the need to hammer the tightly fit bullet down the entire length of the gun. Hall managed to get the upsides of both systems, accuracy and a fast reload, into a single weapon.
Nice rifle!
I want to see a flintlock revolver in action!
Love the history
I love OWLthentic cartridges (and beautiful bright Hunglish language)
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Wow awesome video!!! I have same rifle 1833 Midton Ct. Would really like to shoot it is there any advice you could have on what to do and not to do? I saw the other comment asking about a cleaning video, that would be awesome too!!
I will make a video with my Hall when I fire it for the first time possibly in 100 years.
Thanks for making this video Hall rifles as I’m sure you know are very rare and to shoot one even rarer.
Seems to work!
Great bit of engineering for the time and still be able to use it now is a testimate to the makers skill and craft. Will you be able to do the "mad minute" with it I wonder. Thanks from down here in Australia.
Yes i will.
Ainda não tive oportunidade para ver uma confecção de uma pederneira dessa do sistema de tiro.
I got an M1819 stamped from 1838! Can’t wait to shoot it now. Had to replace the top jaw screw and the top jaw. Original screw broke and top jaw was consequently lost somehow but I have it all ready to go. Noticed you were using 2F powder. I acquired 1.5F. Have you tried the 1.5F before?
Does this mean we might get more hall rifle content soon?
Nice!
I found 3 pistols for 125 euro.
Plus a nice Luigi, double barrel, .50
12 mm lead. I own one too and it is 11 mm.
Barrels screw lose for proper loading.
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how is the seal between the loading chamber and the rest of the barrel? is there noticeable smoke or build up in that gap?
Technically, wouldn't this rifle be no different to how cap and ball (hehe) revolvers were loaded?
Powder and ball loaded directly into the chamber from the front rather than having to go through the entire barrel. Wouldn't "breech" mean the rear of the chamber?
It seems very efficient, replace the flintlock with a percussione cap, and it could've been a good replacement for the standard muzzle loaders.
It's strange that it wasn't adopted en masse, from what I know only the US Dragoons used some.
They did replace the flint in later models actually, the reasons it wasn't a standard infantry arm where cost per rifle and a comparative lack of power when compared to muzzle loaders. It served all the way through the civil war in fact.
It seems that the chamber and barrel still cannot be completely sealed,
So there is still air leakage.
Is it hard to get hands on this rifle in Europe?
This is the first I had access to in shootable condition. Rare bird for sure.
Only a few hall shoulder arms were rifles.
Does top mounted pan create a delay with fuse like ignition ? If for example gunpowder cloggs a touch hole, then flame have to burn through it before it reaches main charge ?
I have not shot that much so I can state a final verdict, but it looks like it is a bit slower. If the priming powder is to fine, it gets in the vent channel, therefore slows down the ignition. If you use coarser powder for priming, that also slows the ignition. So which hand to bite? :) But it is not that bad at all.
Biggest flaw in that design was that hook hanging down that opens the block. It's going to catch on anything and everything and flip that thing open every time. Is there any way to lock it?
I did not find any source for that complain. The complaints are usually associated with the loss of gas at the joint, and the force of the ball compared to the common rifle. In my opinion the biggest problem of the rifle was the slow ignition, long long time -> inaccuracy. The vent channel is just too large and long.
@@capandball That makes sense now that I think about it. Manual of arms alleviates that issue with the various prescribed carry positions. I was thinking through modern eyes where we're carrying a weapon generally slung across the front of a plate carrier loaded up with stuff.
Is this your rifle, or was it loaned to you for the video?
Ok. Where can I get a replica?
Very interesting this rifle looks like a flintlock rifle but in quick reload what is it called? What year was it used?
Please check the description, or the title.
Damn sorry I didn't see I read it wrong
I know you can get replica's of these rifle. But the original ones are about the same price anyways!
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Do gas leaks seem to be a problem for you?
Yes it leaks gas, but that does not make it a bad arm.
For sale?
wow, really cuts down on the downtime by quite alot, no more need for a ramrod
What is the ramrod for?
Cleaning. It’s also designed so it can be loaded from the muzzle if you wish.
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Does the mechanism affect aiming?
Yeah, the sights are offset to the left
@@TenaciousTrilobite
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Seriously need to make reproductions of these man, along the needle rifle god I want a needle rifle.
theres literally no way
1819 😧
I think this is one of the single biggest missed opportunities of the US army. I know that early breech loaders had leakage issues but so did the german needle gun designs and they didn’t hesitate. And they shredded the danes and austrians with them. We should have had the hall standard issue
America in the 1820s was a thinly populated country with an agricultural and extractive economy that was just starting to enter the Industrial Revolution. Making the Hall Rifle standard issue simply wasn't practical. The fact that none of the wealthier nations made a breach-loader standard issue during the flintlock era is, in itself, a good indication that it probably wouldn't have been a game changer anyway.
@@jic1 it would have been made at the harpers ferry arsenal. The US population was booming. So industry not a problem. There were also other models in the caplock era. The US was industrializing fast.
@@burnsboysaresoldiers The fact that it would have been made at Harper's Ferry is completely irrelevant, a increasing population doesn't magically create an instant industrial base, and the caplock era was about 20 years in the future.
@@jic1 Perhaps because the military higher-ups were in general VERY conservative, and, until someone, as the Prussians, did the right move, no one would ever innovated the weapons, look how hard was to get a new breech loading rifle for the US Army in ACW.
@@alessiodecarolis Other breech-loading flintlocks *were* adopted by various other nations' armies, some predating the Hall rifle by several decades. The fact that *none* of them became standard-issue rifles indicates that they weren't considered enough of an improvement to justify the increased cost and other issues attached to them.
Why did we not use this in the civil war this would have been a real game changer for the south, and it was made in 1819 like why...
Expensive, reduced performance due to pressure loss between the breech and barrel, and really not that much faster than rifled muskets. A number were converted to caplock for use in the Civil War, but they were considered suboptimal
There is absolutely no small arm available during that time period that would have changed the outcome of the Civil War, and even if there was the South lacked the industrial base to take advantage of it.
@@TenaciousTrilobite Would the leak of gas between the chamber and the barrel really significantly reduce performance? It seems to me to be roughly equivalent to the leak from the cylinder gap of a revolver, and that's been repeatedly shown to have a negligible effect on muzzle velocity.
@@jic1 As I recall, it was a 20-30% reduction in velocity in the various tests they ran
@@TenaciousTrilobite Would you have a source for that? It seems excessive.
The first case less ammunition. The paper cartridge.
The paper is the case.