Setting up and Programming a 5 axis trunnion
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2018
- This video walks you through setting up a 5-axis trunnion on a 3-axis CNC mill.
Setting A axis 2:18
Setting Parallel to X axis 3:30
Setting X & Y axes 6:08
Finding Z height - Center of Rotation 6:30
Setting B axis 11:45
Some Programming Tips 14:04
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this video should be pinned by youtube in the CNC Machinist/Programming Multi-Axis How-To section.
Instantly subscribed and so excited to see your other videos!
this was great, good job!
Thanks! I really hope we can keep making these videos. Thanks again for your support!
Very good video, but no need for music specially, as loud as it was very distracting. This is my opinion not saying it’s fact or truth just how I felt watching it.
@@danlakinjr9769 Yeah, I made this one on a laptop with bad speakers. haha, we've come a long way in 5 years.
@@ChipMonkeys lol I enjoyed watching your video, thank you for getting back to me!!
This is the best example of "how to" set up a 3+2 (5 axis) machining I have seen. Thanks much for doing it.
Thanks Robert!
Awesome tutorial. This video is super helpful and I hope Jeff finds time to make more tutorials like this.
I am trying to! Machine Shop is a time intensive business. : ) Thank you for watching and your kind comment.
Great work Jeff! You should do more videos you're a natural teacher.
Thank you. I hope to make some more once the shop slows down. Hopefully I don't get burned out : )
Thanks Jeff,
great video!
Awesome video Jeff. There's a general lack of intro to 5 axis content, thanks for doing this!
Thank you! Let me know if you think another aspect of 5 axis would be helpful.
I noticed that when I bought one! I'd like to make more videos, but I'll wait to see how this one is accepted. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very nice job with this video!
Thank you Sir! Great tutorial
Excellent video. Thanks for doing this. More 5 axis would be great and appreciated.
herringandsc Hey, Thanks. Programming with Fusion? Or setup and processing?
@@ChipMonkeys where did you find the cad file for the trunnion table?... Also, the explanations for machine rotary zero position are almost non existent when searching.
If you could explain more about why machine rotary zero position is needed maybe the machinists new to 5 axis would have less difficulties. And of course using Fusion for 5 axis cam would also be beneficial for probably many because there is not much of that
on youtube or anywhere. All due respect intended with this reply.
@@herringandsc3523 Thanks for watching! The CAD file for this trunnion is on GrabCad.com. You are correct, I tried to google how to Setup a trunnion and found noting. : ) I had to make some phone calls. Lots of them. I'm still getting info together on Fusion for 5th axis. It is also not really searchable. Once I feel like I have the right info, I'll make a 5 axis programming video. : )
thanks jeff grate video 💪🏼
Thank you Jeff! Appreciate the video! I trained with the machine but can only go so far.
Hey Jose, that good to hear. Let me know if you'd like to see something else that might help.
Thanks for the video. Helped me setup the TR160 on my vf-4ss.
That's great! This video helps remind me too.... after I forget.
This is the simplest way thank you so much
Thanks for letting us know! Appreciate it.
Awesome video!
Thank! I am looking forward to making more 3+2 content.
Really helpful video for 5axis beginners as I am.
Thanks! I've got some other videos in the works... Anything else you think would be helpful? Thanks again for the comment.
@@ChipMonkeys I forgot what my gf cousin said he had but he has a huge 5 axis with some add on needs sone one to run it im a fast leaner but the only thing im trying to learn is how hard is it ti program for a beginner
nice video Jeff.
Best explanation . Thanks
Thanks! We got some really good help making this video.
thanks
Niiiiiiiiiiiice tutorial
i watch it from iran and its helpful for me
Thnks alot
That's great! I'm glad you were able to use the information. Please let us know what you would like to see next.
@@ChipMonkeys thanks for reply
at first I'm sorry mistakes in writing because I'm not so good in English
your tutorial about dual table machine
please a make a video about dual head and head-table machine work part zero
Thanks!
OMG give me a 5 axis cnc machine with trunion built in. Too much coordinating in that bolt on trunion. I gave ya a thumbs up for set up :D
Nice video Jeff.
Thanks for your help showing me how to set Z offset. I used it here, Obviously. You, Jeff Tiedeken and Tim Paul are where all this info came from. I would like to make a 5axis Programming video with Fusion, but I'm still running down how to use the operations with the correct understanding. Tim helped the other day with Swarf. These topics are hard to find online. I'd like to save people the trouble I had. Thanks again man!
@@ChipMonkeys I'd love to help. You and I should have a chat soon!
Great video. Now I just need to figure out how to find z with a trunnion that does not go +-90 just +90-10
Sounds like you will need a "tooling ball" a, CAD sketch and 3 beers. : ) Do the same as I did in this video, but at a 30 degrees both ways. Take your numbers and use a CAD sketch to solve the triangles. Then move it to 90 (1 way) and check your numbers.
This is my first thought. But, a tooling ball is the way to go. Let me know your thoughts and I'll also keep looking into this.
Great tutorial. I wondered your set up for regular 5 axis without DWS or TCPC haas option . I have couple question unclear about origin set up for CAM . If i have 3+2 axis so when i want to create a pocket toolpath on the side 90deg so do i have to create a TPlane have orgin at 0,0,0 ( world origin) wherever that be ?
Your ”setup” in CAM would be at G54 Zero. The Pocket operation is responsible for positioning the part for the pocket. - DWO & TCPC is not an option on the previous generation Haas control. DWO allows you to re-position the part on the trunnion without re-posting the G code from the CAM system in that new position. TCPC it allows for more control over the tip of the tool during simultaneous five axis programs.
I wish the music wouldn't get so loud.
If that is the only complaint for my first real UA-cam style video, I can live with that. Thanks for watching!
Very Well done
Thank you! Please let me know what you think should be a follow up video. It's about time.
@@ChipMonkeys I think DWO & TCPC would be a good follow up. I think your G59 now becomes G254. DWO is the best thing since sliced bread on a 5 axis machine
Great demonstration!! I run a vf4 with a tr210 absolutely love it. One tip for you in parameters you can set that a axis so it reads zero on your g59. I believe it’s parameter 128 but don’t quote me that’s something you might have to call your haas dealer and ask them for your year make and model. Last thing I wanted to ask, I noticed with the umbrella tool carousel it looks like you have only so much room between the Trunnon and where the tool will hang. Does that mean you can only ever run short tools?
Thanks for watching! Nice catch. I am limited on tool lengths. My max tool length is 6" before they hit the Trunnion. The Tools on the far-side of the carousel during the tool change never go above the trunnion, so they can be longer. : ) The biggest problem by far is, if the machine is shut down,... then it has to be "Homed." There is no way to get the long tools out of the Carousel before the machine is homed. I can only hold a part that's 6" square Max. So, long tools are not really problem.
I'll check out the G59 0.00 parameter! Thanks for taking the time to let me know about it.
I'm just getting started with 5 axis and this was invaluable. Thanks so much! Would have loved to see the part being made, even just 15secs from each operation.
Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking the same thing. I'm looking forward to making more 5 axis tool path vids.
is the way you are setting your tools important in order for everything to work? Do you have to set your tool lengths from the center of rotation also?
It’s just like setting any work coordinate offset. So you set your tools just like you would for any other operation.
Where did you get the 3d model of the trunnion for fusion 360?
Grabcab.com search for haas trunnion. Also, I have models on CNCtutorials.com for Fusion.
Great instructional video. It would have been better without the background music... Or at least not as loud.
Yeah, I put this video together with my laptop, and the speakers were blown. We have improved our audio : ) Thanks for watching!
Where is your cnc 5 axis course center
How come I'm just now seeing this? Subscribed
It took a lot of beer to make this video.
@@ChipMonkeys HaHa, I know how that is.
An A axis is a rotation axis around the X axis, a B axis is a rotation axis around the Y axis and a C axis is a rotational axis around the Z axis!
In some situations, you're right. Like, for a fixed rotary. But, Right now my Trunnion is turned sideways. Should we relabel? ... What if the A rotates 90 degrees? Then C should now be called B? In this situation it's better to think of them as "Master" and "Slave" rotary axes.
It's definitely a C Axis. C rotates about Z . That trunnion from factory is set flat at A0. It's home position was not meant to be tipped over at 90. If it were a horizontal it would be a different story
@@troylindamood4900 Did you know that a standard milling machine has a “W” axis? It’s just Z. Try not to get confused over “labels”. “C” would technically rotate about Z. Unless A rotated the C we’re B is. : ) a Master and Slave is the proper way to think of it.
I know I’m a year late here, but I want to provide clarification here.
In general, you are correct about B-axis rotating about the Y-axis, and C-axis rotating about Z-axis. This is typically the norm. The only exception here is with Haas. They label 4th as A and 5th as B on mountable trunnions. They even label the 4th as A on their Horizontals, like the EC series, whereas it would usually be B on other typical Horizontals. Go figure…
Thanks, there's not much videos of how to set up trunnion on HAAS mills.
Thanks! I’m working on some new videos. Let me know what you’d like to see.
@@ChipMonkeys Thanks Jeff, want to see all 5 axis tricks you know
Have you been using machine coordinates to calculate the distances ??
I am sorry for the late reply. Yes. All the time.
Please explain dmu 850 monoblock operating panel which contains heidenhain control....also how to take offset by probe..??
Thanks for the comment. I wish I had access to a DMU with a Heidenhain control. My next video will address probing!
Are you using TCPC or DWO in the controller?
Musicalbullet This are not options for this control. They are only on the Next Gen control. However, Philup’s Corp has developed a macro so the previous gen control can have DWO. But not TCPC.
Yeah I need to improve on my 5 Axis.
Me too : )
That B axis must C axis because there is rotation along z axis so that will be C axis isn't it??? I am confused with B and C axis
Good question. What if the A rotary was at 90° : ) Then it would be rotating along the Y. It’s probably better to think of it as the “Slave” rotary.
You can also rotate the Trunnion 90°, but it would still program as an A. On a Trunnion I understand it as: A is the Master, and B the slave. No hard and fast letter designations here.
I hope that helps, Haas has an excellent video that goes over the axes.
Thanks a Lot for this video, I suppose you are not using DWO and TCPC in this program as you took the X Y Z positions below vise where its in real life. I am planning to Buy a 5 Axis machine, hence i have a lot of questions in my mind.
You're right, the previous Gen control doesn't have that option. DWO/TCPC would be a pretty nice time savor, and the new control is way faster. I hope you find the right machine!
@@ChipMonkeys hello there, we have finally bought a 3+2 axis machine and we are pretty happy with it. 😁😂
The music sounds like a cover of a prodigy song
This is the best comment I've had about the music. It's a free song, but it's probably not far off from a cover. : ) It's like a "Knock-Off Cover."
@@ChipMonkeys I should elaborate from 11:30 onward reminds me of Breathe by Prodigy
Jealous, @ 8:10 you find z by splitting Y measurements taken @ A90 and A180. Cake. My trunion can only move A130, and A30, no splitting that! Gotta get fancy with it! I got some ideas, what would you say?
Sounds like you will need a "tooling ball" a, CAD sketch and 3 beers. : ) Do the same as I did in this video, but at 30 degrees both ways. Take your numbers and use a CAD sketch to solve the triangles. Then move it to 90 (1 way) and check your numbers.
This is my first thought. But, a tooling ball is the way to go. Let me know your thoughts and I'll also keep looking into this.
How do you change which direction the A axis rotates?
Joseph, that is a change to your Post processor. Are you using Fusion? or another CAM software? The Term you need to look up, is "Solve for X".
@@ChipMonkeys I use Mastercam 2019
(since X+ setup sheets are still free in '19) There is a way to change direction on the Next Generation Controllers btw. But I was able to get what i needed by just editing all the A- to just A and it worked. Which I was very skeptical about it working out correctly but somehow it did even with live 5 axis curve toolpath occuring.
@@josephklemm6281 Awesome! It's nice to hear you got it running and your back in business. I am running a part now that required the trunnion to Solve for Y and not along the X. The post processor was pretty easily edited. (1,0,0) to (0,1,0) and boom. It worked. Crazy. Krack a beer and keep running!
@21:19 "Can't-Stand'Ya!"
Is that software Fusion 360....?
Yes. It’s made tons of progress with 5axis operations since we made this video.
Cam program?
Fusion 360
Shouldn't you square it up first then set A0 and A90?
You can. I did it this way so I could be sure the A was at 90 degrees when I squared it.
Does anyone one know if once you indicate the A axis, is it supposed to never change once you zero it or does it change and therefore we should always check it?
I'm new to 3+2
Doesn't it have Dynamic Work Offsets?
No, not on the Previous controller for the Haas machine. But the center of rotation would be set the same way. Phillips corporation makes a macro for the previous GEN controller for dynamic offsets. But the processor is really too slow to compensate for multi axis cutting. Probably works good for orientation only.
Great video but I'm intrigued by the way you give the machine a gender referring to it as he & him. I can't help but wonder if you're Canadian and this has crept in from the French language? A bit like how some people in the UK now refer to the ground (when they're outside) as the "floor" which obviously comes from any of the Latin languages (French, Spanish, etc.) Just curious, that's all.
Very observant, but I was born and raised in Tennessee. We just spend a lot of time together and have gotten pretty close over the years.
Is there any vacancy
Yes
@@ChipMonkeys how can I join
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5:18 a chance to hit? Look at that Z axis way cover.. I'd say your chances are pretty good... lol
So many of those : ) I’ve got close!
I hate that trunnion the left sides always hitting something
I've got really really close to hitting it, but so far I'm lucky. I'm getting longer holders to help keep the spindle away from it. It's very rigid, to having support on both sides is nice. It's designed to run along the Y axis... If I had the Y axis for it, that would be great : ) Maybe one day I'll get a bigger machine. Right now, this is my 55k 5 axis mill. Budget machine haha
Turn the music down, it blasts too loud when you're not talking.
Yeah, after you upload a video, I don’t think I can make changes like that. But, that’s how I listen to music, loud. : )
@@ChipMonkeys No harm no foul Jeff, I remember waaaaay back in the day when I was a young fella, I useta' play Live at Leeds on vinyl cranked way up...
@@jackmahkimetas8694 We bought a new mic, and are using better software. But, I'm a machinist : )
I want 5 minutes alone with your audio guy...
I am the audio guy. This video was filmed and edited in one night. First video with synced audio too.
@@ChipMonkeys kinda figured... its just when the speakers are up to hear the mic, the music blew my shoes across the room...
@@henmich We have new software and new videos we are filming. I'll make sure to get someone to review the audio before we post it. ... As for fixing this one, it's toast : )
The music is annoying
What did you watch it on? Phone, TV? I have new audio software that should help normalize it : )
You should first learn to wear the correct safety equipment - you're wearing 'sneakers' in the machine shop?!?! 😮
Correction. I’m wearing Vans in my machine shop : ) Also drinking beer without safety glasses.
@@ChipMonkeys gotta love working/owning small shops, don’t really have to worry about OSHA 🤣 my dad and i have our own shop, no safety glasses (unless using the table saw or bridgeport) and wearing vans every day, it’s great
thanks