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Wine Collecting: 5 Wines I REGRET Not Buying 10 Years Ago
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- In recent years, wine has gained popularity as a great investment due to its ability to increase in value over time. And in this video, I am going to take a closer look at five wines I wish I had bought more of ten years ago. Some because they turned out great investment opportunities, while others are simply so exceptional that it's saddening to see them leaving the stratosphere and entering a price cosmos that I can no longer afford.
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*CONTENTS OF THIS VIDEO
0:00 Introduction
0:55 Wine 1
3:02 Wine 2
4:18 Wine 3
5:25 Wine 4
6:31 Wine 5
7:41 Conclusions
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Back in the mid 80's, I was offered a full case of 1982 Le Pin at $2400. I thought they were crazy expensive. Little do I know.... to your list I would add any wines from Le Montrachet ! It's all about supply and demand, usually !
Great story! Wow! I agree about the demand and supply, however, in many cases the scarcity is introduced by the producer, thus further driving prices up. 🤓 rarely the case of Burgundy, knowing their amounts. 🥺
Ignore all the price nonsense, drink what you can afford and enjoy it. The fun is finding something great at a reasonable price and there’s plenty out there.
I agree! 🙌✨🥂 But, as a professional, I would also like to be able to taste the legendary wines, and see for myself is it worth the money, is it worth the hype, etc. 🤷♀️ when wine is not Your job, then it might be easier. But even then, if it is Your passion, I understand people wanting to try specific bottles. 🤤☺️
@@NoSediment i understand the point of the video and I have my own regrets about certain bottles I missed. The reason you and I didn’t buy them was we couldn’t afford them at the time, as is the case now. As in all professions and hobbies…. When the money comes in, the fun goes out.
Great quote! 🙌✨🤭
When I hear my grandparent's friends having be able to buy petrus by cases for less than 50 EUR/bottle back in the 90/70' I cry, yes it was expensive but not like now. We all have these stories, but we could also talk about the wines that we bought and we are now afraid of drinking because they gained so much value !
Yes, there are some of these wines that have increased in value over short time it has spent in our wine cellars or fridges. 😅 But I would wish that all of those are opened at some point, because it was ultimately made to be enjoyed. Otherwise it looses its purpose and becomes just a number in an excel file. 🥲😓
15, 16 years ago, we could get a bottle of 2000 Romanée-Conti for 1000€. In the early '80s, a bottle of 1978 Henri Jayer Richebourg was sold 90$ to wine merchants in The US!! Times have changed, and prices are totally insane. I missed many opportunities to buy these bottles. No more regrets. It was a huge privilege to visit the Domaine de La Romanée-Conti and to taste many iconic wines (from Jayer, DRC, Leroy, D'Auvenay , Salon, Clos du Mesnil...) in wine clubs. Felt so lucky😊. Cheers Agnese 🍷
Wow, it certainly is epic to be able to visit that iconic estate and more so to taste their wines! Cheers to You and hopefully one day I will too! ✨🥂🍾
@@NoSediment wish U the best🙏 Lafite , Latour, Margaux, Haut-Brion and MHB worth a visit too😁🍷
I am actually on my way now to Latour! 😉 never visited Margaux, but have been very lucky to visit Lafite! ☺️☺️☺️ But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to visit again, and again, and again! 🫣
@@NoSediment 👍😊
64 Latour 3.0 Ltr, 1988 Conterno MONFORTE 1.5 Lte, 1990 Chateau d'Yquem 6.o Ltr, 1990 DRC LaTache 1.5 Ltr, 2019 DRC Corton -Charlemagne !.5 Ltr
It seems that You prefer the larger formats! 😅😉 Cheers for that! 🍷
Hi Agnes,
Either you love wine or you are in it for the money. Whether the latter class of people REALLY love wine is debatable. If you really love wine you find a good year, stack up what can from good wineries, leave as long as your patience permits (he he) and then enjoy it irrespective of what it may be worth when you open it. Today I'm on a Barolo from 2016 (super). And in the weekend I will kill my last Barolo from 2001.
By the time you wish to enjoy such rarities you may hard pressed to find them let alone afford them.
I love wine, isn’t it obvious. 😂😂😂 But I am also a bit of romantic, and less of a rational person. 🥰
Agnese, I had the opportunity to try a Tignanello yesterday evening and I was really very impressed. I had a silent thought for you as I lifted the glass! 😂😂
That is so sweet of You! Thank You and cheers! 🍷
I just finished watching all your videos up to now. Congratulations for your channel! I have learned a lot about wines thanks to you. I don’t know why, but since some time ago, my favorite grape variety is Tannat and it seems you haven’t dedicated a video about this understated grape from France but popular in Uruguay… By the way, it would be great if you could talk about wines and vineyards in Mexico. You would be surprise at the quality of their wines and beauty of their vineyards. Cheers!
Thank You for such a sweet comment. No unfortunately, I have not yet touched Tannat grape in any form. And before I talk about wines of Mexico, I should do a homework, and study those a bit closer, which I promise to do! 😉 Cheers! 🍷✨
@@NoSediment Thanks so much for your answer. I am sure that if you decide to touch Tannat grape and/or Wines from Mexico in one of your upcoming videos, they will be really good, informative and entertaining! Cheers.
In Piedmont the wines of Luca Roagna - especially his Crichet are beginning to be priced out of the reach of normal mortals. He’s a brilliant winemaker.
Yes, I remember Roagna, they do make great wine! But I haven’t purchased anything lately, therefore was not aware of the price increase. 🥹🥹
19th century vintage Madeira. I bought more than my share, but one can never have enough. Prices have quadrupled or more in the past 10 years. Very little of it and quantities are dwindling.
Wow, great investment. There are very few wines that can age as long as Madeira can! Cheers 🥂
Wines that I think will increase in value in the future;
Kumeu River Mate's Vineyard Chardonnay, Catena Zapata wines both the malbecs and the chardonnays, The Sadie family wines from SA, Andremily Syrah CA (their wine maker used to work with SQN), English sparkling.
Great, that means I have to stock up with Kumeu River Chardonnay’s -> I love their wines! 🥂✨ Cheers! 🙌
Salon is definitely my number one miss as well. There are so many, but e.g. I completely missed and overlooked Almaviva when it was relatively cheap. Maybe I should've also stocked Bollinger Grand Annee much more. Now I hope Raul Perez and Musar won't go overboard
Another Salon fan! 🥂🍾 Cheers to You! From Bollinger selection I actually do wish I bought more of their R.D labels. 😅🥹 Ough well.. 🤷♀️
I bought Château Angelus per 65$ 20 years go, this shows how ridiculous the prices of these wines are now
Indeed. And they keep rising, unfortunately. Soon wine will become a product that only lucky few can afford. 😑
In the late 1980's I was offered a case of a wine (a Pomerol) I had (at that time) never heard of. The wine was from the 1982 vintage and the case price was GB pounds 250 (in bond). I didn't have that sort of money spare in those days so declined the offer - the wine was Ch. Le Pin - enough said!...
Epic story, Le Pin is legendary. And some even consider above Petrus. But that has been issue for me as well, not necessarily that You didn’t buy, You just simply couldn’t afford it back then. 🤷♀️
Prunotto Barolo 2016 and Le Ragnaie 2016. It's impossible to find now in California D:
I am sorry to hear. But maybe it is an issue with in importer? 🤷♀️
I regreat Kurni Oasi degli Angeli Cupra Marittima Italy Gr.Montepulciano...Fist time I discover it was between 60-70 Eur now 150 up and stil increasing
Good point on a great wine! 🍷 it seems to me that wine is becoming more and more part of the luxury goods. 😳😢
In the last 4 or 5 years, there has also been a significant price increase for some Rioja wines, especially from classic producers such as Heredia or Murrieta. When I first started to heavily drink Heredia wines, about 15 years ago, the prices were ridiculously low. Of course, the white and red Gran Reservas were fairly expensive, but nothing to be scared of. Their legendary rose was widely available and you could buy it for 10 Eur. Yes, 10 Eur, if you can imagine that. Now, it's their rarest offering and it sells for about 7-8 times that price. Also, you can purchase their whites only if you get very lucky and very fast when they're launched on the market. Even their "basic", red Tondonia Reserva is increasing in price, year after year. The most ridiculous price increase I've seen for a Rioja wine must be Murrieta's Castillo Ygay. I remember it being around 40 Eur, about 10 years ago. Now, it's nearing the 200 Eur mark, which is insane. The only classic producer from Rioja that manages to keep its prices at reasonable levels is La Rioja Alta. But I don't know for how long...
I once didn't buy a wine (I guess it was a 1979 Clos Vougeot (from Remoissenet if I am right) because Hubrecht Duijker wrote that this not such a good producer - though the wine war very good. And once, I didn't buy a Clos Vougeot 1987 from Faiveley because I have read that this wasn't such a good vintage. But the wine was very good! Also the 1982 crus from Guigal because 1982 wasn't officially superb vintage - but I tasted these wines later an they were very good! I regret to have missed all three! But I also made very good buys - fortunately!😆
This shows how we should trust ourselves and our tastebuds! Sometimes there is too much subjectivity when it comes to wine ratings. 🤷♀️
Clos Rougeard from Loire ❤back then nobody wants rougeard but lately price creeping up quite fast.
I only got into wine three years ago with my WSET 1 class so I don’t have bottles I should have bought more of. I should by more Riesling.
That is fine, but yes.. Riesling -> always a great choice! And the older bottles are so complex and great to pop open! 🙌
Not a regret of not buying but one of selling (too early). I sold 6 bottles of 2015 Sassicaia in 2018. Today they could be sold for...I don't want to think about it. Suspect I'll also regret selling some mid teens vintages of Saffredi and Flaccianello
Aaa, okay, looking from a different point. 🤔 I don’t like to sell my wines, I buy only wines I like or want to drink, and would feel very sad to give away my wines to someone else. 😅🫣
@@NoSediment I definitely feel a little guilty about it and am very aware that the damage financial speculation has done in terms of making so many wines unaffordable, in particular in Burgundy, but if I can buy and hold onto Fattoria Le Pupille's Saffredi for a few years and then buy their Poggio Valente with the sale proceeds it makes the latter much more affordable and am able to drink very good wine more often.
10 years ago.
2014…any Burgundy! but particularly Grand Cru Chablis!!
Very specific! 🥹 Thank You for Your comment and cheers! 🥂
2014 GC Chablis still drinking like champions. 👌
I just wish I had been able to afford a case of Rousseau Chambertin Clos de Beze 2010…Now that IS specific🍷
Cheers Agnese
Hello Agnes, as always very good videos that are very nutritious for the knowledge of wine, I have been in the world of wine for 10 years, and an older friend was selling bottles from his collection at that time because he wanted to start recovering his investment and I had no heirs, the fact is that I sold bottles of Margaux and Montrachet vintages 1955, 1960 etc at reasonable prices and he gave me prices from a friend, at that time I didn't have money to buy many things now that I see those bottles on the web I regret not being able to buy them. I currently have 893 bottles of all kinds in a heated cellar.
I understand You, when I talked about DRC, it would be more correct to say, that I did not have funds to purchase those bottles 10 years ago. And, as we see, I don’t have now! 🫣😅 But I am sure You have great and smart bottles in Your cellar now! 🙌🍾🥂 Cheers!
@@NoSediment I have some old bottles but I have focused more on Italian and French vintages from 1998 onwards since some before then are still very expensive. regards Agnes
No regrets. Always look forward!
Good for You! 🙌🙌🙌
I’d have Dunn Vinyards Howell Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon and Dal Forno Romano Amarone Della Valpolicella on my list. Two of the three wines that first got me interested in wine. The regret is mostly cause they’re personal favorites that are now hard for me to find locally.
Thank You for the comment! I agree with You, most of my wine regrets are not because these wines would have been good for investment, but rather because I enjoy them personally, and it is sad they are reaching price brackets I no longer can afford. 🥲
I saw it reported that 71% of Napa Valley wine producers are predicting pretty hefty price increases for 2023. I don't buy wine for investment, but it would seem that pretty much anything you have on the shelf is going to be more valuable in the future. Especially if it ages well!
In my opinion, there are wines that with inadequate price increase risks to be pushed out of the “value for money” category, and might end up in competition with better wines and probably more established brands, therefore it should always be analysed before just increasing the numbers. 🤷♀️
Have an on-going task for a costumer, to find him wines, that are affordable now, but could see a great rise in prices over the next decade and a half, for consumption at his kids confirmation and 18-year birthdays (2031-2038). That is a tough cast, and I don´t have a perfect crystalball to predict it.
But have focused on not-yet hyped Brunello and Barolo, vintage 2015, 2016 or 2018, along with Montefalco Sagrantino.
Good task! 😉 It means You get to taste a lot of great wines in Your journey to find the greatest bottles! 💫
Tuscany prices in every zone are going sky rockets as per Piedmont. I wish Id bought more of those ❤
Yes, agree! 💯
Italy is going through a sort of Renaissance that really is shaping to improve their stand in the world's oenological stage
I have always looked at them pretty highly as winemaking country, but I do read older books and see that it was not always the case. I guess we live in a great time! 💫
I mean their stand in the oenological world has historically been pretty elevated. The rivalry between France and Italy and the challenge for the 1st place in the wine world started in the 80s. We are not talking about US or Germany but Italy so not sure about your comment 😅
I only got into wine in the past 2 years so for a little while I was just under the assumption that fine wines have always been this expensive. I was very surprised to hear from some folks online how cheap Bordeaux used to be, I was speaking to someone who said that in the 80’s, one could buy chateau Lafite for under $50! Even accounting for inflation, that would be like being able to buy chateau Lafite today for around $120 in todays dollars. Meanwhile great vintages of Lafite are worth thousands. One thing is for sure, the wine producers have certainly enjoyed this dramatic increase in price over the past few decades
Yes, prices of some wines are increasing way faster then inflation. The sad part about that is.. in many cases it is not the wine producer who get to enjoy the margin, but the intermediaries. Large proportion of the Burgundy is quite affordable when released from the winery. 😓😓😓
To be fair to the wineries, quality has also skyrocketed over the decades which requires substantial capital investment.. PLUS, this is what capitalism is all about... let the free market determine its fair value.
@@ptg01 Great producers have always produced great wine. Sure, technological advances have allowed producers to make great wines during bad vintages and maintain consistency, but some of the most legendary hailed vintages of all time are from before any of this technology was available.
I wish I had bought more bottles of Brunello from 1997 vintage (exceptional) when I visited Montalcino in 2003. I payed something like 30 euros for bottle, but just got two.
I have similar feeling with Barolos and Barbarescos, but I explained that in the video already. 😅I guess the saddest part is about wines that You enjoy yourself, and when You see that price will be limiting Your ability to purchase them.
Interesting take with your top 5.
I like the Tignanello choice not as 'sexy' as Ornellaia or Sassacaia but just as high in quality and a slightly less elevated price.
The DRC choice is not a choice even middle of the road collectors can make you need the connection to the in-country agent for DRC (UK-Berry Brothers) and you need to build a history with them before you get put on their prefential lists to even get a sniff at La Tache etc... release prices are eye-wateringly high so deep pockets as well!!!!
Unfortunately, for DRC it is not a question of availability, it is a question of price. 🥲🥲🥲
@@NoSediment - yes they do make Petrus look 'affordable and reasonably priced' in comparison!!!
I had a 2011 Arnoux-Lachaux Chambolle Musigny village 2 years ago which I paid £50. It is now worth 10x that but IMHO after drinking it I thought it wasn't worth £30 but the winemaker's popularity took off in the last year with his more recent vintages...😕
Wow, great story. I have never tasted it, therefore I cannot comment, but I have been myself in a situation where I taste wine that I payed way too much, and it delivered way too little. 😓
My regrets: Vega Sicilia, Lafleur, Heitz Martha's, Comtes de Champagne, Leflaive Pugliny M.
Aaah yes, Comtes de Champagne is also increasing in price like crazy. Still not where Salon is though, 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
When I first noticed Penfolds Grange hit the Canadian market, it was about 20% the current cost, and I wish I could’ve tried some.
If that helps, Penfold’s makes other labels that are just as good, if not even better for more affordable price tag. And I am always looking towards those, and have never been disappointed. 🍷 Cheers!
Grange is good but there are better Oz wines / Shiraz for much less - Torbreck runrig, Rockford basket press Shiraz and Jim Barry Armagh are examples. Penfolds are all made to chemistry standards and that’s fine but lack imagination and much variability; which the 3 I cite et al., have.
2001 Tignanello waiting to be enjoyed very soon. Not sure it was a good vintage but will soon find out. First time trying a Tig and hope I love it. Invested in a few 2019 Tig's waiting to be enjoyed too :-) Love your Video's 🍷
2001 was very good vintage, wines being towards richer and riper style, and I am sure You will enjoy Your bottle very much! great maturity as well! Cheers! 💯
@@NoSediment Thank you :-)
I am wondering what is the price one would usually spend on a bottle of good wine in different countries, I mean not as an investment, just for a normal drinking. I know that that depends on the average price and/or income level in a given country, but still...
It really depends on the income of each person, rather than country, I guess. And some people are willing to splurge more than others. ✨🍾🥂
It's alright! We do what we can. We can't buy everything. But to be honest, DRC is already out of reach even before the hike. Just look forward and start sniffing out potentials. 5 years ago, when I saw a Domaine Feancois Raveneau Le Clos available, I could've asked my friend to get it but it was a 2hrs drive so I said no. Fast forward now it's like $3K, Do I regret it? No, because friendship is more important than a bottle of juice. But burgundy has gone insane ( like how can a current basic Bourgogne cost as much as a 1er cru a year ago. So I just look for something else
You are absolutely right, wow, that is true, current village level Burgundy costs the same as 1er Cru used to. 😲😲😲 Ough well! 🏄🏼
@NoSediment especially Chablis. A regular table William Fevre cost almost as much as an entry level 1er cru. I'll just look for other countries and local produce.
I did open a 1996 DRC Romanée Saint Vivant, seeing the prices it fetches now I actually wished I did not open it lol as it did not live up to my expectations. Leroy Romanee Saint Vivant 2001 on the other hand was just sublime
For me, wished I had bought more bottles of Leroy ( never disappoints!) while I could afford buying it 20 years ago. Sylvain Cathiard ( one of my earliest wine purchases), Mugnier, Leflaive, Arnaud Ente just a few other burgundy wines wish I bought more of.
As for Italian wines wished I bought more Barolo and Super Tuscans (Sassicaia esp). however, I think Brunello di Montalcino still offer good value esp 2015 2016 I tasted.
Champagne, should have bought more Krug for sure
Australia for me just Giaconda Chardonnay!
I am fortunate to have drank quiet a few sort after cult wines over the years (esp Bordeaux and Burgundy). Nowadays, value for money weighs more heavily in my purchase decision.
Life is too short to drink bad wines!
Cheers
Wow, You have had a very good eye for a top producers of Burgundy! 🍷 I agree with You on Brunello wines, Sassicaia, of course! ✨
Yes, I have always been in search for value for money for my wine purchases. Our journey continues, cheers! 🍷
Time that a wealthy follower helps you with your DRC dream.. ;)
😂😂😂
I once had the opportunity to buy a 12 bottle case of the 2000 Mouton Rothschild for 250€ / bottle …. Lacked funds at the time ( student ) …. Look up how much they now go for 😢
Looks like we all have been there. And of course, 250€ per bottle is still crazy amount of money for a bottle. 🤷♀️
Kudos to Roberts on the thumbnail!!!
Hahaha, yes, he is the greatest! 🥂✨
2+ Million bottles of "Dom Perignon" are made annually - Not very premium imho.
Try 5milj! 😜 Dom is a great example how volume is not always linked with prestige and luxury! It is a premium brand and tastes that way as well! But they do produce a lot! 🤷♀️🍾🥂
Chateau Figeac is the best wine I've ever had.
Cheers to that! 🍷
Love Tignanello… the price was good value in Florence … not in Asia 😅
🫣🫣🫣 Interesting how the prices are shaped there! 🤔🤔
2/10 here. Still cellaring for consumption.
I also cellar for consumption, and still regret not buying more of some wines! 😓
I don't have any regrets apart from one. It's the 1905 Amontillado from Perez Barquero. It was never 'cheap' but a 100 point wine with special provenance. Why didn't I buy it when it was £150 ten years ago? It's vanished now. I know one place that has a bottle for £300. It's tantalisingly close to a purchase but the image I project is Michelangelo's Adam reaching toward God. It's a fingertip away from a buy. I really can't justify it but it's so close which makes it even more frustrating. WT
YOU ARE ONE OF THE RARE PEOPLE, who likes Jerez (seems to me) as much as I do! And yes, these wines are something else, but unfortunately I haven’t tasted the one You mention, and if the price is really what You are suggesting, I might not get the chance. 🥺😅
I not like seeing wine as invest
That s because if that the wine price get higher
I prefer said i cannot have the chance to have this bottle in cave to make it grow old
And btw salon is nog my favorite by far: i tasted horizontal 2002 for wedding anniversary
From last to first was
Winston churchill
Salon
Bollinger RD
Cristal
And
Depending of tasted
Dom perignon ( good but « simple »)
Egly
Krug
Mine was krug but egly is astonishing !!
I tasted salon 1997 if i remember also
Same not worth the price
But now to talk about price jump u could find a yquem 1988 at same level as 2020
Or mouton 1996 same as 2017
How old wine could be cheaper that new
World is running upside down
Good note on Egly! That Champagne is increasing in price like crazy. Some wines (still expensive) have doubled in price over a single year. + so it is so difficult to get any bottles at all 🤷♀️.
@@NoSediment like selosse who have price i didn’t understand …..
Dom P 2008 😢
Yes! Great vintage, no? 🥂✨
So long, salon
😅😂😂
Vega Sicilia Único, Tignanello and Sassicaia! 🥲
Yes, Vega Sicilia Único! 😓😓😓 I agree! 🙌