5150 Iconic LIVE?! We need to talk about this..
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- I recently saw The Black Dahlia Murder Live, and can confirm they were using 5150 Iconic Amps! But they had them paired with EVH 5150iii cabinets. Is this the secret sauce to unlocking the 5150 Iconics true potential??
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Do you agree, is the EVH 5150iii cab the perfect pairing for the Iconic head? You can get one here: amzn.to/43uvjrb
I still prefer it with a Mesa but both sound killer!
As for the Iconic cabs MDF is carcinogenic as it contains formaldehyde. I try to stay clear of products like that. So the EVH 5150III cab is the wiser choice for those that are concerned with that type of issue.
@@watcherzero000 That's not a serious risk man... if you want to avoid formaldehyde then you better stop eating apples, bananas, grapes, plums; vegetables like onions, carrots, and spinach; and even meats like seafood, beef, and poultry. Also our bodies naturally make formaldehyde... unless you're sawing into MDF on a daily basis for years on end and breathing in the particles... I wouldn't worry about a cab made with MDF. In saying that, the Iconic cabinet sounds pretty awful compared to the EVH cabs :D
Just bought one today 🤘🔥🤘 awesome amp
I have a Marshall 212 studio vintage cabinet
I just played a gig with the iconic head into a 1960a cab, but I have two g12evh and two g12t-75s. It’s a pretty rad setup. Also have a 5150iii cab with that same speaker combo (basically swapped two speakers from each cab to the other). Had the evh speaker mic’d up. Anyway our sound was killer. Long story short I think Euge Valovirta hit the nail on the head in his video on the iconic - if you can’t make this amp sound good look in the mirror for the problem.
Thankfully the banter from the uninformed on these amps seems to have fallen by the wayside recently and people understand they're fantastic amps, regardless of topology
Agreed. And even on the topology front, it has a solid state phase inverter as I recall and that’s why it gets this rap for being “solid state hybrid.” A solid state phase inverter will have little to no effect on the overall tone yet everyone says they can hear it. Tons of “all tube” amps have solid state phase inverters and rectifiers not to mention all the diodes and op amps etc that literally hundreds of other amps have and no one gives them shit for being “kinda solid state.” all jcm2000s have solid state rectifiers and tons of diodes on the boards for example, never heard anyone call those solid state hybrid. I’m happy for James and this amp overall because it got unfairly annihilated by the uninformed before it was even released and despite that it continues to prove to be a great amp.
* I edited my original comment about the PI affecting tone. It could affect tone, but if all is functioning correctly probably not. honestly there’s a case to be made that a solid state PI is preferable to a tube PI with how often tubes crap out or go microphonic with modern tube stock. Brand new 12ax7s are microphonic all the time anymore. If the thing that’s responsible for ensuring you have equal but opposite waveforms for the push/pull function of you power amp can’t go microphonic or otherwise crap out because it’s not a tube, that’s a win in my opinion.
No one pays attention to Louis Torres anyways. He's the main one that had a hate boner for the 5150 Iconic for whatever reason.
I love mine!
@@austinfailz i can’t stand that guy, but we agree more tubes is better
My two main guitars have EMG 81/85 and Blackouts. I run a TS to the front and a little eq in the loop to tame the top end. My cab is the weak link. I'm playing through Celestion 70/80s but I'll be damned if it doesn't sound kickass. I love the amp. When I can afford a better cab I'll definitely go for it but honestly I'm pretty content with how it sounds as is.
Sounds great. Yes, the $1149 all baltic birch cab with UK EVH Celestions sounds better than the $599 plywood baffle MDF cabinet with the custom cheaper Chinese Celestions. BUT for $599 the Iconic 412 is a nice sounding cabinet that’s 14lbs lighter and still full size with casters. I think it would be interesting to see what you could do with the extra graphic and the Iconic cabinet. It definitely has more low mids by design.
Hey James, thanks for popping by! I agree, the 10 band really helps out quite a bit, especially cleaning up the high end with speakers that might be overly aggressive there when paired with this amp (v30s for example).
Yeah it's impressive for the price that you get a "full sized" 4x12. A Mesa 4x12 these days is 2.5x the price of the Iconic cab. That leaves plenty of money to go track down a few "golden era" v30's and still be ahead.
Which one has the best clean channel between the Iconic and the 5150iii ? Are the circuits close for this channel ?
@@remibrunetti7038 I based the clean channel on the newer 6L6 50w 5150 III (with the concentric crunch gain and volume knobs), which was the cleanest one of the III’s. I think the Iconic clean breaks up a little better once you do start driving it. With the Overdrive button on it’s like the 50w 6L6 5150 III Blue channel but with a little more gain so it overlaps the gain of the red channel. Remember that Ed always used his volume knob to clean up further.
@@jamesbrown7468 thank you for your answer ! The III have a beautiful clean so I was worried that the iconic would be less pristine. Really interesting amp for the price...
Anything that The Black Dahlia Murder does deserves a deeper look. They're seriously simply the best band out there (imo) . i feel like they've been using the Iconic for touring for a while. I saw a vid of them explaining their amps but i dont really remember. I know Brandon Ellis is a EVH 5150 guy.
I am an EVHgear fanboy. That man knew what he was doing when he created his instruments and amplifiers.
I'm right there with you. I was not the most rabid of EVH fans, but I definitely respect him and all he's done. And in saying that, the gear that bears his name is TOP NOTCH.
I have an EVH Wolfgang Standard in Mango Burst. GREAT guitar! Damn near perfect! An EVH 5150BLBX 1, and a 1996Peavey 5150 2x12. A couple of pedals. Great stuff. I never regret buying anything EVH.
Eddie was involved in Every aspect of his equipment design and manufacturing....he ran a tight ship.
@@94SexyStang you can see that statement. Come to life with every piece of gear that leaves the factory.
Fit For An Autopsy were using Iconics and 5153 2x12’s when I saw them. Sounded insane.
And they also have crushing live tone!
So the ultimate sound of any amp is filtered though the speaker and you can get wild tonal shifts, more than pickups or strings, by changing the speaker? Who would have thought? Glenn Fricker. That’s who.
The iconic head is a BEAST man... I keep trying to convince myself that my more expensive USA or UK made amps are better but I like the sound I get out of Iconic even more.
Same here man. I own a handful of “better” amps yet the Iconic is what I find myself rehearsing and gigging with because it sounds great and all the features are perfect for the working musician. It isn’t finicky, it isn’t overwhelming, it plays nice with other gear and controllers, every feature is practical. It’s a zero bullshit amp and I love that about it. It sounds great and it just works.
@@K707OR30pickup a 6505+ and you’ll forget about the Iconic.
Fit For An Autopsy also uses them.
Also the burn isn't a boost, it changes the voicing to be more like the 5150III
😂it's an 8db boost that make it sound thicker like the older block letters, that's James Brown quote.
I got an Iconic a couple months ago and it absolutely crushes. Playing it next to my other guitarist’s 6505+ I can get it to sound almost exactly like his, the main difference is that the Iconic sounds a bit more modern and slightly fizzier on the top end. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it to anyone.
Id take my 6505+ or 5150 III stealth 6L6 100w over a 5150 Iconic any day. I really don’t hear the greatness everyone hears out of these things. Good cab or not. I think bands are using them because they’re paid to use them. Just like the Fishman Fluence pickups. Marketing. EVH is shoving the Iconic in people’s faces hard.
Broke? Buy a 5150 iconic… Rich? Buy a 5150 stealth. Not that difficult
I’ve the got iconic, played it through an orange PPC212 and loved it. Recently purchased the 5150iii cab to see how it would sound, and I feel it sounds so much better!
Very nice!
This inspired me to flip the badges on my iconic to the inside of the grille, looks so much more sinister and akin to the original!
I just got my Iconic in yesterday and I ran it thru my Marshall 1936 2x12 and it was amazing. Absolutely crushing with the T75s. I couldn’t get a bad sound out of it if I tried. I love this thing!
My Iconic survived a 5 week tour bouncing around in a trailer, plus 40ish local shows over the last 14 months. I got paranoid bringing my Block letter 5150 to sketchy shows, so I bought the iconic. It works fine for me and cuts through a mix.
Of course it’s gonna sound bomb, nowadays budget friendly is definitely way more than usable live even on a tour
Fit for an autopsy uses these live also! Brandon Does use a direwolf for his boost
Absolutely love the sound of these amps, I stick to completely solid state amps currently but if I were to ever get a tube amp brand new I'd definitely go with an Iconic
I got the 5150 Iconic 15w combo a few weeks ago, I just play in my bedroom. My first tube amp and it's worth every penny.
I'm right at the brink of buying one after a lifetime of solid state.
I play the 5150 in the store any time I go and it's amazing.
Just the matter of paying bills getting in the way at this point.
@@nathanaelethanzzounds has no credit check payment plans. Well worth calling em up. Actually don't call them just use the paying plan at check out. Don't use affirm.
I put my 5150 iconic through a mesa 2x12. It’s savage and loud enough to deafen the neighbors. The only thing the amps needs is a preamp and maybe an EQ to get rid of any top end fizz and push some of the mids. More gain than you’d ever need (I have mine at 5 and it’s like THATS ENOUGH) and it has a boost, the burn switch is supposed to make it more in line with old 5150s and a little flubbier but I’m no tone chasing whore so they both sound good to me.
It's a great head I had over a year now, yesterday I used a Eagnator Vengeance 4x12 Cab and it sounds sick the cab is beech wood I might buy another head so I can have 2 head set up, been wanting to blend one of my Marshall DSL 100H heads with the Iconic just for Hells Sake🎉😂 great video.
That Egnater head , and the Armageddon are absolute underrated beasts.
An 81 into a 5150 of some sort is my favourite rhythm sound ever, this thing hangs with the others no problem.
I know the green channel on my peavey 5150 signature is killer! Machine Head always had a sick guitar tone and that’s what they used and that’s why I tried it.🤘🏻
Great demo! Sounds good! Have you tried Dava picks? The red one is incredible, I switched to those a little while ago.
Hey dude! I have not. I'm looking them up now..
fun fact, funeral thirst is about killing yourself. trevor had a bunch of those songs actually and nobody noticed.
ok im a new subs on your channel, and thank you for this informative vid, brb gonna order this amp now...
I found this amp for me works best with Celestion Lead 80s on channel 2 w/ burn engaged gain at 9 oclock boosted by a TS808 - 👍🏽
7:23 I think this is one of the good things about it, the parametric EQ just makes it worse in my opinion. Channel two without the burn switch with some front panel EQ sounds great to my ears. (If you need it add some boost but you don't need much.)
Was around when 5150’s first came out and rocked one in the 90’s. Recently came across a used Block Letter in a store and nostalgia kicked in hard but I’d really grown out of that sound over the years. More a Mark Mesa and Marshall player now. Played it, trying to love it but it’s just a darker, mushy tone with Gibson’s, which is what I play (a lot better with bolt on neck or thinner/brighter sounding guitars). Might even work for Gibson with an EQ in the front. Anyhoo, the store was a EVH dealer and they had an Iconic, so I thought why not. It was so much better for me than the OG. Brighter, tighter. Decent clean channel and much better crunch. Noise gate works great and the OG was very noisy. Iconic was just very dial-able, where the OG has it’s sound and you just make it slightly brighter or thicker. Now the Iconic can’t really do a convincing classic rock sound but it’s range of gain from clean to crunch and heavy is a lot more flexible than the OG. Gotta say, I would get the Iconic over an OG. Would love a smaller form factor head of it at 40-50 watts.
Taylor... I wish you'd let me work that EQ pedal lol. im kidding youre awesome
I run the channel 1 gain on about 7 with a ts9 Gain 0 for metal. The second channel isnt good for rhythm and the burn switch is unusable
Never understood the hate for these amps. I tried out the full stack and it sounded great and so usable
The only person that hated these amps that had any influence was a youtuber that was being a contrarian for clicks. I wont say his name because it's not worth giving him any attention. He made claims that it "can't chug". A total dummy. People are just parroting his incorrect opinions for the most part.
The Iconic is a well made amp for the price it's offered at in 2023. James Brown (who also posted on this video) who designed the Iconic and OG 5150 is very open on the internet about the design decisions that were made for the Iconic. Most people freak out that V1 is solid state. It hardly matters and is a smart decision to hit its very low price target. He delivered the very best amp he could at a very affordable price. That seems to always have been a design goal of the 5150. Give users an amp that used to be a boutique custom at a price a normal guitar player can afford.
@@wootks Haha yeah I noticed FFA sounded a lot grittier when they used it last time I saw them live. Really works for fast riffy bands.
Zulu uses this amp too. Great tone, its versatile and believe it or not the built in noise gate actually cleans up a fair bit. Don't let the price fool you.
Is the 5150 Iconic a good amp? Sure. Is it better than a 5150 III. Hell no!
This is the only channel that makes 5150 iconic sounds more dangerous than the other. Thanks taylor,
Still, i cant afford it. Really looking forward to get the 50watt combo version tho
I have spent time with both the 50 watt 5150 IIIs and the Iconic. I instantly liked the distortion on the Iconic more. I was inspired to borrow one from buddy after I saw The Black Dahlia Murder recently and heard how KILLER their guitar tone was. This amp crushes, it really does. Ordered one for myself, can't wait to get it. I remember being so pleasantly surprised when I first fired it up.
It's a decent sounding app but that sounds like crap. Imo of course 😮
This inspired me to flip the badges on my iconic to the inside of the grille, looks so much more sinister and akin to the original!
lol I was there too and told you about my POD GO in another establishment :) great video
Haha, thanks dude! Yes, I remember!
Van Halen Cover Album 5150😅😅
Sounds killer, you could probably have got that low end back with a bit more resonance. The classic setup, everything on 6, is pretty much there on this family of amps. Very similar if not the same as my 6505+
Not with the presence. You have to keep it down no higher than 4. It gets pretty out of control above that.
Yes. I swapped out my iconic combo amps junk speaker to a real killer speaker and the amp came alive. I use the green channel 90% of the time. It has the tone I’m looking for.
Hey Taylor,
Did you change the 5150 and small EVH covers by putting them on the INSIDE of the metal grill on the head? I just got one last week and mine are on the outside. If you did, was there a specific reason why?
Excellent video by the way - Love your channel and gear comparisons !!!!Here's my setup:
5150 Iconic 80W head
2011 Marshall 4x12 with G12T=75's
Pedals: (all on custom made pedalboard) ...EQ is used for a boost..or maybe I could set up the EQ like you did here
and use the BOOST on the small black EVH switcher for leads?
#1.
Donner Noise Gate mini
ISET Flanger mini
Ibanez Tube Screamer mini
Joyo Classic-II Wah
#2.
7Band EQ mini
Donner Delay mini
Pedals #1 got straight into the head
Pedals #2 are in the Effects Loop
Ibanez Jem Jr - White
Schecter C-1 FR - White
Thinking of swapping out two of the G12T-75's with G12 V30's in the Marshall cab.
I actually bought it second hand, and it came to me that way. I didn't even notice until someone mentioned it! But I guess it was done to more closely resemble the OG 5150
Using readily available budget friendly equipment on the road is a sensible move considering the cost of replacement in the event of damage or theft.
If I could only have 1 pedal, it would be an EQ in the loop.
I want to try one of these heads through my 4x12 with V30's and G12h30's in an X pattern. It really does a lot for my 50 watt Stealth.
2:46 Historically, I'm pretty sure they've used OD808s or TS9s as boosts.
on a related note, I got to see BDM quite a few times back in the day and I would swear whoever was doing sound for them was actually scooping mids out of the mains lol (it was probably just shitty club sound guys TBF)
I've seen them quite a few times, but I can't remember what the sound was like previously. This last run it was 💪
It sounds great with any 2x12 V30 cab also.
The problem I am having is that I cannot toggle between the Green channel and the Green channel + Overdrive. There is no way to switch from clean and crunch without physically pushing a button.
I'm surprised they use real amps
Sounds great duder! You are making me want to get the evh cab now lol. 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry dude! lol
they both use a Maxon OD808
I maybe slow and missed that video but I need to see more of that guitar 😁 great video man 🤘🏻
Thanks dude!
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Nice job on this one! Very fun video with some great gear.
I F#cking love my Iconic! it sounds absolutely killer thru my mesa slant cab and for the money it's a no brainer.
Meh....... don't think it deserved the hate it got.... don't think it deserves the praise it's been getting recently. Seems like plenty of influencers are determined to push this product 🤔. Not bad as a stepping stone from low end trash (line 6) to like a first tube amp, tho. For the price. Just don't get that shit cab. That does deserve the hate it's gotten. Id still rather to for the evh 5150 iii 6l6 50w. Save the extra few $ or get one used
I love my iconic, and i do love the green channel... just wish it was footswitchable...I built a custom 2x12 with celestion gt1275s and i love how it sounds with it. thanks for pointing out the need for a graphic eq, I will need to utilize that for my upcoming studio sessions with the iconic.. Thanks for the video!
I have the 40w combo. I swapped the speaker for a G12h cream back. It's amazing.
Royce at Deviant Guitars fucking RULES.
I didnt think the 5150 iconic was very good, for me it had this grainy gain quality and didn't boost well due to being oversaturated at very little gain.
Hey, great video! Do you know where I can find and order a Jimmy Clip? Last time I cheked their website was not functional. :(
I was thinking of getting one for my randall cab. Rx412 jaguars 200 watt
I run mine through a Mesa Recto 2x12 cab. It's glorious! Sounds way better than my 5150III EL34 or my old block letter 2x12 ever did. Run it wet/dry with some chorus and delay on the wet side... you're in For Unlawful / Balance territory. Back off the gain a touch and it's Def Leppard all the way.
Saw TBDM live in Montreal a couple months back … they were awesome! Going to pickup a 5150 Iconic tomorrow… should get the Cabinet as well at this point 😂 cheers 🍻 awesome video
I've seen Annihilator play Wacken with H&K Grandmeister heads, yes...the 36 watt head.
Great amp, was a little too harsh for my ears so didnt work for me. JB did confirm that the burn switch is a form of modeling of the 5150-III red channel though.
This inspired me to flip the badges on my iconic to the inside of the grille, looks so much more sinister and akin to the original!
Iconic 5150 head + mesa OS straight = Metal 🤌
I honestly like the sound of these better than the 5150 III line, they are durable, sound kick ass, relatively affordable, and if by chance you need a replacement on the road they are easy to find. James Brown is the man!
Price just doesn't equal sound anymore, and thats a good thing. Decent cab / speaker and there ya go :'D
I bought an empty birch Bad Cat cabinet about 6 months ago. I got four 5150 iconic speakers for $15 each on marketplace. At that price I couldn't pass them up.They sound great in a good cab. I'm using a Mesa Boogie Mk V 35 head.
I do believe something we gtr player often oversee, is that an amp's tone differs a TON alone and buried in a mix. Even tho, this rips!!
When will we be getting some REVV content? Asking for a friend...
Hi guys, I never played on a 5150 and I always loved the EVH brown sound but as there is so many version I don't know which one is the "best"?! The Peavey 5150 or the Fender EVH 5150??
I occasionally see these on sale "B stock" but so far ive skipped iconic because i own 100 watt stealth and 50 watt 6L6. Iconic is a must have though for intermediate players who want to destroy theyre ear drums.
Dorky question - what auto-slider are you using for that constantly moving shot?
Yeah the tone is great and all but Fuck me that riff!!!
It's aight, I do like the amps you got stacked on the right more though.
Perfect touring heads. Sounds good, and so cheap you can bring a backup with ya in case of a failure.
I have an iconic ivory combo 40wat any advice which cabinet will be good for the amp?
Yup. Totally changes the amp. WAY better than iconic 412. Iconic head is AWESOME!!
My man, who said this amp is garbage? 🤔 You?
hey have you had any problems with your head? Ordered one and getting it tomorrow but i am hearing about some qc problems? Im a little nervous. But i know if your like me because I havea lot of heads so if somthing happens it will be out of warranty before i notice.
No issues so far, but I rarely use it
All I’m hearing is flub flub flub mud mud mud
I actually did not like this amplifier when I tried it. Maybe it was the matching cab ? Definitely did not fee or sound like a $1000 dollar amp
Could be. Cab is a big part of it!
Definitely the cab. I paired mine with a Mesa and orange cab and it sounded a lot better. I liked it best with the orange 4x12 cab and boost it with a Maxon ST9 pro+.
Tim holley from fit for an autopsy are using iconic’s live too and they sounds huge !!!
i just love your real gear stuff here! the biggest problem with this amp was that is has just been so much overhyped and reviewed in circles over and over again all day long on every gear based youtube channel for weeks that you just got diarrhea, earcancer and eyebleeds from just reading the topic after a while 😂💩.. the added harshness that comes along the gain button is just because: the added gain stage is a diode, not a tube! a no go for epic tube guys and a nice used 6505(+) for the same amount of money or even less is a better option for most of the oldschool 5150 fans like me imo ..peace 🙏
No diode distortion. The Burn switch actually throttles down the tube’s gain when it’s OFF. I set it up so you could get similar to the thicker mooshy attack of the first 5150….which Ed wanted tighter when I designed the combo in the early 90’s. All the 5150’s after that are tighter. Sorry you don’t like the amp, after I’m sure you tried one.
That amp is awesome, affordable, and yes one dimensional
Iconic into Mesa oversized cab is the juice.
Definitely better with burn switch off
Didn't matter if had the boost on or eq on or the green channel it all sounded exactly the same
Did you put the badges behind the grill?
That cab is terrible imo idk y they did that but you made it sound decent
What was the name of that boost? I want it
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@@TaylorDanley fantastic, thanks
some folks say that the distortion channel is just the clean with an added build in fuzz pedal, is that true? 😁🤡 the infamous gain boost or also called fizz button is a bit misunderstood, the added harshness should help you to cut through much better in a band&live setting..otherwise there is no real need for a gain boost on an already overgained gain channel..just so much gain here haha! cheers 👌🎸
The way it looks like a valve king with a 5150 logo . Gotta be honest
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That's usually where I mic. Unless there's another sweeter spot on a speaker, but for me that's usually the spot.
been saving for one of these for a while!! soon…