I've been working on bikes for thirty five years and I have been doing seat of my pants dyno for years At my own shop, I closed that down a few years ago and now I work for a local dealership that has a Dino. When I got here, they had a guy who did the Tuning. So I'm trying to accelerate my learning process Because I never worked with a Dino.In my small little mom and pop shop. This is great content and a very good video for people trying to wrap their head around the changes. In the Power Commander 5 and 6. Thank you so much for putting this video. Would suggest maybe a small video series on these changes and why you make them. Nobody else seems to be doing it.Thank you again. The outlaw
Awesome info. I'm just getting into tuning a little with my pcv. I noticed some of the canned maps for my dyna had those weird + - jumps cell to cell that didn't look right to me and I know very little about tuning. I "smoothed" those out like you said. More videos on the PCV adjusting would be great.
I don't comment often but this vid has been very helpful in me tuning my turbo snowmobile. This and few other vids have helped this novice learn a lot. Many thanks.
Thank you!! Exactly the kind of thing I wanted to find out about auto tuning - especially the great insight at the end about how one needs to make sure the values are averaged out in an area and how the autotune doesn’t understand going into a decel.
In the lower cells (RPM and TP) ecu is running closed loop so the values in those cells do not matter as the ecu ignores the tables provided by the PCV.
What a great video 🤙 after getting my bike tuned (TL1000R) now I can maybe take care of a few issues I'm having myself. Why would I have pretty big fireballs coming out when I rev it up and when I'm shifting 3rd, 4th, 6th? Is it because i have extra fuel when it comes off the throttle to shift?
This is hilarious. I've been playing with automotive standalones for the last few years. A friend of mine has an iron 883 that I've convinced him to do a big bore and I've been trying to research what sort of afr's those "sophisticated" combustion chambers like. I think this "tuners" tune shows why there isn't a lot of information readily available hahaha. I appreciate your insight in this video on other's mistakes.
Mabe the guy who set this up was trying to buy the bike so he was fucking with this guy who owned the bike ! That's how people are ! What a friend ! Tring to screw him out of the bike !
Thanks 4 the video brother. I've been curious about how the Dynojet software works, thinking about going with a powervision for my Harley. This helps me a bunch. See you around - I'm in Eugene too.
I knew there was something wrong with my tune, you coined it with "lotto numbers" and the abruptness problem I have with the bike. I will go ahead at try the "averaging" method that you suggested, and it was not autotune it was a dyno tune that the previous owner paid $600 for.
You mentioned getting bad trims when you decelerating. I want to autotune a 2014 CBR600RR. Should I pull the clutch while decelerating to so I do not have engine braking? Plus while autotuning should I drive the bike normally and just try to hit all throttle positions in all gears?
Thank you so much for explaining averaging !!! , changed my rich lean percentage to 5% to see why my 17 R6 was jumping from -20 to +20 at 3500 rpm at the 5% to 10 %. I know at 5% its going to tape like 20 commit changes. The issue i was having even before i got my ecu flashed was that the bike would start to jerking like a drop in loss of power feeling. Also i now disable auto tunes when i have a passage on the back, that really throws things off. also would too much downshifting cause auto tunes to act funny ?
I had silber bench Flash mine in 2016 Road like crap when I got it back They wanted me to send it back to them I was thinking hell no sent it to Evo got their stage three and ran great Fixing to upgrade to the newer cam and injectors And go with the ws190
Generally the Map Pointer will jump between two or four cells and if there are huge differences the fueling will jump slower than the fuelling of the ecu so it will run like shit. The Autotune will correct when you shut the throttle as it laggs a bit so find out where you climb through the table in neutral and zero out the afr values or it will autocorrect down. The bike will shoot out some fuel in this dump zone which tells the autotune that its too rich and it will lean out the mixture. 23:40 onward
Hi I noticed that you highlighted table sections and were able to higher and lower number percentage all at once. How did you do that I've been trying to work that out and can't. Could you please tell me
Just because something says it's "automatic", that doesn't mean it's idiot proof (or lack of knowledge/experience proof). In the right hands automation can be great but in the wrong hands??? I learned Dynojet Tuning Link over twelve years ago (on motorcycles) and I quickly figured out that the settings Dynojet recommended for each/every bike wasn't always right (and can be way off on modified engines)... Since I have also tuned many Stand Alone ECUs on bikes (which includes seeing hundreds of Data Logs) I can actually visualize what the "Fuel Flow" (and or 3-D view of that table) looks like = UGLY!!!
Great video especially for a novice like myself. What do you think of the ThunderMax ECM replacement module? Doing my homework to ready myself down the road on upgrading and tuning my 2018 Fat Bob....Cheers
This scenario is kinda true of most aftermarket mods people make. Most have little to no clue what they're doing and should leave it to the professionals.
hello i would like to know if the msd blaster fi 2006 raptor 700 can be played with in a dyno to get more power out of it or i need another one that can be. thank you
Sometimes at low rpm and the use of bigger injectors the maps will require negative numbers. Fuel delivery would be greater then stock due to injector sizing.
Your video is grist to my mill. I manually slightly change the results even of a dynamometer. A harmonic wave-like alignment of the values in the matrix of gas position and speed ensures a harmonious and controllable power delivery. It may be true then that the absolute single peak value is not reached anymore, but due to the better driveability there are better lap times.
Thx I really learned alot i know its just an over view but was helpful. You ever get that shop because you mentioned oregon/Washington and im in oregon
Hey there! Thank you so much for this video. I have a 02 Gsxr 600 with Race air filter, full Yoshimura and Power Commander 3, which is running a map from dynojet for a full Yoshimura that kinda looks like that, I’ll over the place. You don’t happen to have a map that you could share or some values I’d be looking for would you ? TIA!
I am interested in learn how to tune my bike properly and am curious if you have any other vids for doing so? I have a build LTR450 with heavy head work(port/deck) high comp piston and web cam. I have the pc3 with auto and it runs super lean from idle to about 5k. The map was way off so i let her drink on the top rpms and it got rid of the sputter but i still need to raise the it 5k and under
Hi. My Triumph Rlll got PCV and Autotune. Into each header I did fix a bun in order tuning each cylinder apart. Now the PCV mainscreen outlay doesn't allow me to trim separately each cylinder. Issue for me is now how to get the main PCV screen outlay installed for the individual fuel targeting and trims ! Tnx for any advice.
Hey Daniel could you please do a video solely for auto tune. What you suggest and how you would run it if it were your bike. Great video thanks for all the uploads and go fast parts
Hi! I m not a tuner, but getting my head around all them tech stuff and I believe first thing to do with PAIR equipped bikes is disable PAIR when using a dyno, especially if you re using autotune...
I'm buying a pc5 in a couple of days for my 2006 raptor 700r, is there any help you could give me about installing it and the mapping process? I'm a female and still learning. 🙂 I am running dmc force 4s dual exhaust. Everything else is stock. I do want to get a aftermarket air filter too.
Heyman. Cuervo! Thanks for all your info and videos. I'm wondering if you can lead me to a good map for my 05 road king that has a screaming eagle 96 big bore kit with se 203 cams and se air cleaner.
Great vid…very helpful. You can zero out 0% throttle past like 2k. Same for 80-100% under 5k…it’s not possible to actually b in that condition. I had a 2012 KAW Ninja 1000, that I had set up with a PC5, & O2 sensor, so instead of trying to adjust %fuel, you set the air/fuel ratio & let the ECU make the adjustments while you ride. Ideal air/fuel is like 12.7. I leaned it in the cruising range, & enriched it above 50% throttle & 5k RPM. Bike ran great. Was smooth. Fun bike to tune on.
Easy: Rich, more fuel than needed. Lean less fuel than needed. Put another way rich too much fuel. Lean too little fuel. HARD: Too much and too little is based on the chemistry of fuel burning. What is burning? Exothermic reaction where oxygen is used to create a different chemical and heat gets released. The heat creates the pressure in the combustion chamber. The pressure does the work to make horsepower that moves the vehicle forward. How to release the most heat? Get just enough oxygen molecules combined with the vaporized gas molecules so in the end no oxygen or gas is left. Complete combustion. This is the stoichiometric ratio, 14.7. 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel. Higher than 14.7, too lean. Lower than 14.7 too rich. Hope this helps.
I just bought a 06 raptor it idle fine but when I hit the throttle it wants to die I put a new spark plug in and it was black would this video help me out
What's your thought on power commandor 5 auto afr. Example if I sent my Harley sportster at 13.4 then select auto tune. So it should maintain the computer should continuely adjust automatically.
@9:29, you say this is fine at full throttle. IMHO, you cannot be sure. With as bad as the mapping is, you really don't know. It is plausible, based on the numbers. But as bad as much of the other mapping is, the full throttle may not be any good, either.
@@MrCuervoRacing It won't work well with the newer Dynojet Power Core software(s). The computer I had that worked 100% fine with Win PEP 7 choked when I upgraded to Power Core 😜
I'm not familiar with this software but he could've hit the smooth button!!!... I've never tuned a bike but would have done a way way better job. Whoever tuned the bike should just give me his dyno lolololol
I've been working on bikes for thirty five years and I have been doing seat of my pants dyno for years At my own shop, I closed that down a few years ago and now I work for a local dealership that has a Dino. When I got here, they had a guy who did the Tuning. So I'm trying to accelerate my learning process Because I never worked with a Dino.In my small little mom and pop shop. This is great content and a very good video for people trying to wrap their head around the changes.
In the Power Commander 5 and 6. Thank you so much for putting this video. Would suggest maybe a small video series on these changes and why you make them. Nobody else seems to be doing it.Thank you again. The outlaw
Did you ever test your butt fuel map on dyno to see how realistic it was to set up a correct fuel table by feeling?
Awesome info. I'm just getting into tuning a little with my pcv. I noticed some of the canned maps for my dyna had those weird + - jumps cell to cell that didn't look right to me and I know very little about tuning. I "smoothed" those out like you said.
More videos on the PCV adjusting would be great.
Great video, that's why it's important to get your dyno done at a reputable shop with an experienced operator. Thanks for the info Daniel.
I don't comment often but this vid has been very helpful in me tuning my turbo snowmobile. This and few other vids have helped this novice learn a lot. Many thanks.
Thank you!! Exactly the kind of thing I wanted to find out about auto tuning - especially the great insight at the end about how one needs to make sure the values are averaged out in an area and how the autotune doesn’t understand going into a decel.
"The bike is worthless if it's flooding at idle..." 😆 Unbelievable. Thanks for showing us this. That person was all over the place.
Learnt more off this vid than in various searches and most tuning "specific" vids. Thanks!
In the lower cells (RPM and TP) ecu is running closed loop so the values in those cells do not matter as the ecu ignores the tables provided by the PCV.
If you have an O2 sensor.....
They totally must be tuned. The o2 sensors correct sure however they are not instant
What a great video 🤙 after getting my bike tuned (TL1000R) now I can maybe take care of a few issues I'm having myself. Why would I have pretty big fireballs coming out when I rev it up and when I'm shifting 3rd, 4th, 6th? Is it because i have extra fuel when it comes off the throttle to shift?
Getting a PowerCommander 5 and AutoTune for my bike right now. Can't get shit tuned during COVID Thanks for the tips on what to look out for.
Wow. Thank you for all the ground you covered in a short time. Little bits of meat to snack on to get my mind stirring before I crack open my laptop
This is hilarious. I've been playing with automotive standalones for the last few years. A friend of mine has an iron 883 that I've convinced him to do a big bore and I've been trying to research what sort of afr's those "sophisticated" combustion chambers like. I think this "tuners" tune shows why there isn't a lot of information readily available hahaha. I appreciate your insight in this video on other's mistakes.
Love your videos Mr Cuervo, always great information! Love the builds too! Great work keep it up!
thanks, i appreciate it!!
Mabe the guy who set this up was trying to buy the bike so he was fucking with this guy who owned the bike ! That's how people are ! What a friend ! Tring to screw him out of the bike !
Thanks for Explaining and making this video.
Thank you for this, I'm going to take use this on my Bike now 🙏I'm running Auto Tune so will average the cells
Thanks 4 the video brother. I've been curious about how the Dynojet software works, thinking about going with a powervision for my Harley. This helps me a bunch. See you around - I'm in Eugene too.
I knew there was something wrong with my tune, you coined it with "lotto numbers" and the abruptness problem I have with the bike. I will go ahead at try the "averaging" method that you suggested, and it was not autotune it was a dyno tune that the previous owner paid $600 for.
You mentioned getting bad trims when you decelerating. I want to autotune a 2014 CBR600RR. Should I pull the clutch while decelerating to so I do not have engine braking? Plus while autotuning should I drive the bike normally and just try to hit all throttle positions in all gears?
this would be a fantastic question to answer where are you OP!!!?
Thank you so much for explaining averaging !!! , changed my rich lean percentage to 5% to see why my 17 R6 was jumping from -20 to +20 at 3500 rpm at the 5% to 10 %. I know at 5% its going to tape like 20 commit changes. The issue i was having even before i got my ecu flashed was that the bike would start to jerking like a drop in loss of power feeling. Also i now disable auto tunes when i have a passage on the back, that really throws things off. also would too much downshifting cause auto tunes to act funny ?
Hi Mr Cuervo
Would you be kind enough to make a video on the ignition timing values for the PC5?
Thank you very much your videos are great.
Hey. Very informative video. Could you please help me with a good map for Ninja 1000sx 2020 with PC6
Great video as always.
I had silber bench Flash mine in 2016 Road like crap when I got it back
They wanted me to send it back to them I was thinking hell no sent it to Evo got their stage three and ran great
Fixing to upgrade to the newer cam and injectors And go with the ws190
Thank you for this video,was really helpful for me and my friend to understand fundamentals and basics.
Generally the Map Pointer will jump between two or four cells and if there are huge differences the fueling will jump slower than the fuelling of the ecu so it will run like shit.
The Autotune will correct when you shut the throttle as it laggs a bit so find out where you climb through the table in neutral and zero out the afr values or it will autocorrect down. The bike will shoot out some fuel in this dump zone which tells the autotune that its too rich and it will lean out the mixture. 23:40 onward
Hi I noticed that you highlighted table sections and were able to higher and lower number percentage all at once. How did you do that I've been trying to work that out and can't. Could you please tell me
“I call them lottery numbers” 😂
Tell me please how did you add or subtract fuel by one?
Thanks, really helpful information for where I’m at.
Just because something says it's "automatic", that doesn't mean it's idiot proof (or lack of knowledge/experience proof). In the right hands automation can be great but in the wrong hands???
I learned Dynojet Tuning Link over twelve years ago (on motorcycles) and I quickly figured out that the settings Dynojet recommended for each/every bike wasn't always right (and can be way off on modified engines)... Since I have also tuned many Stand Alone ECUs on bikes (which includes seeing hundreds of Data Logs) I can actually visualize what the "Fuel Flow" (and or 3-D view of that table) looks like = UGLY!!!
Great video especially for a novice like myself. What do you think of the ThunderMax ECM replacement module? Doing my homework to ready myself down the road on upgrading and tuning my 2018 Fat Bob....Cheers
This scenario is kinda true of most aftermarket mods people make. Most have little to no clue what they're doing and should leave it to the professionals.
Dude probably had the worlds largest fans blasting while the bike was idling... 60mph winds at 0mph. No wonder you need 250% more fuel at 0%0rpm
hello i would like to know if the msd blaster fi 2006 raptor 700 can be played with in a dyno to get more power out of it or i need another one that can be. thank you
Yes can be tuned same as a pcv
I need a fuel map for my 09 raptor , its been bored and is now a 732 , uni air filter , no lid on stock air box with a HMF slip on pipe.
Why are there negative values at times of full throttle?Shouldnt we increase fuel rather than decreasing it?
Sometimes at low rpm and the use of bigger injectors the maps will require negative numbers. Fuel delivery would be greater then stock due to injector sizing.
how did you change al that fuel coloms in one time? (6:38 - 7:08 in the video)
Your video is grist to my mill. I manually slightly change the results even of a dynamometer. A harmonic wave-like alignment of the values in the matrix of gas position and speed ensures a harmonious and controllable power delivery. It may be true then that the absolute single peak value is not reached anymore, but due to the better driveability there are better lap times.
Thx I really learned alot i know its just an over view but was helpful. You ever get that shop because you mentioned oregon/Washington and im in oregon
Hey there! Thank you so much for this video. I have a 02 Gsxr 600 with Race air filter, full Yoshimura and Power Commander 3, which is running a map from dynojet for a full Yoshimura that kinda looks like that, I’ll over the place. You don’t happen to have a map that you could share or some values I’d be looking for would you ? TIA!
I am interested in learn how to tune my bike properly and am curious if you have any other vids for doing so? I have a build LTR450 with heavy head work(port/deck) high comp piston and web cam. I have the pc3 with auto and it runs super lean from idle to about 5k. The map was way off so i let her drink on the top rpms and it got rid of the sputter but i still need to raise the it 5k and under
These are percentages of change. So, what does the actual table value look like? What are the values of ignition at certain RPM & throttle %?
that info is not displayed or available on this platform. you can watch injector duty cycle.
That's what i liked about HDprotuner. You could program actual a/f ratio numbers.
Thanks EPA for killing that tuner !
I'd love to see this fuel map in 3D. Absolutely ridiculous
Hi. My Triumph Rlll got PCV and Autotune. Into each header I did fix a bun in order tuning each cylinder apart. Now the PCV mainscreen outlay doesn't allow me to trim separately each cylinder. Issue for me is now how to get the main PCV screen outlay installed for the individual fuel targeting and trims ! Tnx for any advice.
That's a crazy map!
So what is the best Map for some one who want best performance with voodoo slip on?
Hey Daniel could you please do a video solely for auto tune. What you suggest and how you would run it if it were your bike. Great video thanks for all the uploads and go fast parts
i will try and get that done
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Hi! I m not a tuner, but getting my head around all them tech stuff and I believe first thing to do with PAIR equipped bikes is disable PAIR when using a dyno, especially if you re using autotune...
What is the quick key you were hitting to increase multiple cells at once?
Page up or page down
As usual , great video , great share of experience, GOD BLESS U
I like the name of the lottery number map😂
I'm buying a pc5 in a couple of days for my 2006 raptor 700r, is there any help you could give me about installing it and the mapping process? I'm a female and still learning. 🙂 I am running dmc force 4s dual exhaust. Everything else is stock. I do want to get a aftermarket air filter too.
Heyman. Cuervo! Thanks for all your info and videos. I'm wondering if you can lead me to a good map for my 05 road king that has a screaming eagle 96 big bore kit with se 203 cams and se air cleaner.
Why would a guy have "divice errors" flashing any idea and is there a way to fix this in you're opinion?
Great video
How do I contact you for a tune ? I've tried auto tune on pc5 and haven't had any luck I actually fouled out my plug on a 2020 raptor 700
I just ordered a monster shorty, I’m too far from anywhere to get a dyno tune. Can I buy a map off of you ?
email all the info to sales@cuervo-racing.com
Great vid…very helpful. You can zero out 0% throttle past like 2k. Same for 80-100% under 5k…it’s not possible to actually b in that condition.
I had a 2012 KAW Ninja 1000, that I had set up with a PC5, & O2 sensor, so instead of trying to adjust %fuel, you set the air/fuel ratio & let the ECU make the adjustments while you ride. Ideal air/fuel is like 12.7. I leaned it in the cruising range, & enriched it above 50% throttle & 5k RPM. Bike ran great. Was smooth. Fun bike to tune on.
Can someone explain rich vs lean? And why richer when higher rpm? Thank you
Easy: Rich, more fuel than needed. Lean less fuel than needed. Put another way rich too much fuel. Lean too little fuel.
HARD: Too much and too little is based on the chemistry of fuel burning. What is burning? Exothermic reaction where oxygen is used to create a different chemical and heat gets released. The heat creates the pressure in the combustion chamber. The pressure does the work to make horsepower that moves the vehicle forward. How to release the most heat? Get just enough oxygen molecules combined with the vaporized gas molecules so in the end no oxygen or gas is left. Complete combustion. This is the stoichiometric ratio, 14.7. 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel. Higher than 14.7, too lean. Lower than 14.7 too rich. Hope this helps.
@@tomdickharryjane very informative! Thanks!
@@itemps YW.
Lots more information if you do some research. Good luck.
That's really helped, thanks a lot!
Do you have any tunes for 2015 YFZ450r for a Barkers exhaust and and FCI intake?
Any advice for ignition timing on a sv 1000 k4?
Each cell is making milliseconds of change not percentage...
Awesome...cheers 4 th info. Sure glad mine doesnt look like that 🖒
Thanks for this!
Im just here to say the name of the map is hilarious
I jus put a msd box on my 2011 700 raptor I put it on 2 its runnin fine to me is there anything i should check ??? 0 is stock has 1-3 power settings
the maps they come with are very limited, not even enough to support a single exhaust system and air lid off.
So why do things like the power vision “auto tune” work well for some and stuff like this happens to others?
Programming and parameters. Every year and as new systems come out they get better, always bestbto have Human input
Good info...thank you
I just bought a 06 raptor it idle fine but when I hit the throttle it wants to die I put a new spark plug in and it was black would this video help me out
black spark plugs, i think you're running rich.
What's your thought on power commandor 5 auto afr. Example if I sent my Harley sportster at 13.4 then select auto tune. So it should maintain the computer should continuely adjust automatically.
Correct or very close
? How can u say this is bad or good tune .if u not on the dyno running.? Seeing power gain or lack of power?
From experience with these bikes.
@@MrCuervoRacing lol ok 🤙
I need a map for my bike its 2018 Raptor 700 i have the Barkers big 3 kit
17:42 Matt fucked map hahaha
@9:29, you say this is fine at full throttle. IMHO, you cannot be sure. With as bad as the mapping is, you really don't know. It is plausible, based on the numbers. But as bad as much of the other mapping is, the full throttle may not be any good, either.
holy christ Windows XP. lol
Cant even use internet anymore on it. It works great for the dyno and other softwares.
@@MrCuervoRacing It won't work well with the newer Dynojet Power Core software(s).
The computer I had that worked 100% fine with Win PEP 7 choked when I upgraded to Power Core 😜
Do a vid on auto tune
I'm not familiar with this software but he could've hit the smooth button!!!... I've never tuned a bike but would have done a way way better job. Whoever tuned the bike should just give me his dyno lolololol
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