Rough service means the filament is supported in multiple locations, IE the circular filament with 5 supports vs a straight filament with no supports. The one in the trash can is rough service for what its worth. Why not use an LED bulb? They are very cheap now, no warmup time and totally vibration proof and CRI doesnt matter in the garage
Thanks for the clarification. The bulb socket is positioned to shine light from the side, while LEDs produce most of their light from the top and block off most of the side with the housing, plus LEDs can cause interference with garage door opener remotes.
You should take a look at the Philips SlimStyle bulbs. They have what I would explain as a bi-directional pattern in the microphone world. Philips does enough filtering that interference shouldn't be too much of an issue.
CRI matters in the living quarters. In my place the only place where I have a LED bulb is the front outdoor light. Can't stand the compromised color of LEDs and CFLs compared to incandescents, and the blue light hazard in LEDs can contribute to brain fog and a bunch of other health issues!
led bulb are vibration resistant... so yea should do. some new ones have a corn shaped circuit inside. or use led filament. anyway tech advance very rapidly and this year led light bulb are now true replacement for incandescent light. (philips,ikea lexman or osram ones)
When I moved into my house there were 2 rough service bulbs here, both 100 watt. They had that silicone-coated, kind of textured surface on the bulb. One, which, interestingly enough, was in the garage (but not the opener) has since burned out. The other, in a drop light, is still going strong. When that one goes I will look for a replacement with the silicone coating, I really think those are superior as that drop light has had its share of, er, drops, with no problems.
Rough service bulbs are not necessarily thicker glass but they have more filament supports and a little thicker filament which yours didn't seem to have.
Even the frosted coating on those looks like garbage. All of the bulbs installed with the openers on the "new" garage are still going strong some five years later. I have not a clue who made them, but I'd definitely buy that type and brand again! (LED and CFLs definitely take the abuse better, but their bases seem not to fit in my openers.)
They ought to be like the ones that we used on the old electric trains I worked on, they ran on DC and were always stamped as "Rough Service". They needed to be because of the vibration on the trains of course, and were heavier and slightly dimmer than the ordinary lamps. They had a special fitting to deter the public from stealing them LOL . They sell similar Chinese "rough service" bulbs at a discount store near me. They're rubbish too! The "ordinary" bulbs are known to explode as well. Nice. NOT !
I always write the date on the base of the bulb with a sharpie (not the glass, it will fade). The first CFL lamps that I bought lasted the advertised 5 years with much more "run time" than they were rated for. The replacements had one lamp (out of 4) fail after 18 months. Replaced those with 4 generic brand LED lamps... we'll see how long THEY last. Got some generic halogen lamps, one was DOA (I could see that the halogen capsule was connected to only one wire inside the lamp), one lasted about 10 seconds, one lasted for 3 or 4 power cycles, and the final one lasted several weeks. Replaced those with LEDs, as well.
In my experience, halogen bulbs burn out much more quickly when installed base-up (such as in a ceiling fixture). When installed base-down (as in a table lamp) they last just as long as regular incandescent bulbs.
Since there was burn marks where the filament evaporated and popped in the bulb, and since it broke so easily when you threw it out, it sounds like the bulb developed an air leak.
About the time the 100watt bulbs were being phased out, I bought some of course. I had a four pack of them and hadn't got around to using them until now. They were a Wal-mart store brand. They have all lasted three weeks or less, being on only at night. Worst bulbs I've ever seen for longevity.
I've switched just about everything in my house that can be to LED(some smaller base candle style bulbs I've yet to find LED's for at a good price), but nothing in my shop yet but I do plan to change the garage door open over soon, and will see how well that last.
I've taken notice of newer incandescent bulb's consistently shorter lifespans--despite claiming to have a similar or same hour rating--over older bulbs that have been in the same fixture and receive moderate to heavy use for close to (sometimes even over!) a decade. It's fortunate that a three way bulb is considered "specialty" (which it technically is), since most if not all of them have a 100 watt brightness setting. As they burn out, I've been primarily replacing the existing 100 watt bulbs with rough service equivalents; I've also noticed they tend to cast a lesser amount of light.
Probably someone has already said this in comments but it definitely would be more filament support wires if these were rough service for sure when I saw the broken bulb I might absolutely not rough service
The "Rough service" feature is that it's designed for (apparently) 130v, so the filament is being underrun, they sell similar ones over here (for use on 110v jobsite power which is 110v) and to be honest, they're regular bulbs with a get-out clause to get around the anti-filament bulb laws...
I remember seeing Satco bulbs being sold at Lowes in 10-12 bulb bulk packs about 5-7 years ago before the incandescent light bulb ban. I'm glad I didn't buy any. They remind me of Feit Electric or Sunbeam cheap bulbs.
I don't know if it's just me or what but it seems like almost all incandescent bulbs made right before the ban on them suck. They used to last for such a long time and now it seems they pop in about 6 months even under light use. I bought a package of bulbs from a discount warehouse type deal and it was rated for 130V and I think it was more of an industry type bulb and one of them already burned out, probably about 8 months after installation.
If memory serves, incandescent light bulbs up to 75 watts are still available for purchase in stores as are their rough service counterparts. 100 watt bulbs have been phased out, but I've noticed many stores selling slightly larger three way light bulbs with a 100 watt setting. Rough service bulbs are especially useful in applications and environments hazardous to CFL and LED lights such as those found in ovens.
Here is more than you ever wanted to know about the "incandescent light bulb ban": members.misty.com/don/incban.html With all the exemptions it's not really a ban at all. It just required the most common 40 to 100 watt bulbs to be replaced with the halogen type. The real ban won't go into effect until 2020, and there's still plenty of time for Congress to repeal or change it before then.
I think the light from incoddesent light bulbs feels better than florescent or LED bulbs. But sadly in the USA they rarely sell incandescent bulbs anymore : ( when I travel to Europe they sell them in every store. Plus incandescent bulbs use more power Do you like incandescent bulbs?
Yeah, light, weak glass. You will notice these makes a different sound when tapped on a hard surface compared to good quality glass bulbs. The cheap ones make more of a thud sound, like they're just shy of breaking.
It looks like these bulbs actually do have the extra filament supports that rough service bulbs are supposed to have, but the rest of the bulb is simply garbage. Too bad; these would technically last 10000 hours at 120V!
I used name brand rough service in my garage and they still gave up the ghost in a few months. Sylvania. Ended up changing to CFL even though I'm in Minnesota.
led bulb are vibration resistant... so yea should do. some new ones have a corn shaped circuit inside. or use led filament. anyway tech advance very rapidly and this year led light bulb are now true replacement for incandescent light. (philips,ikea lexman or osram ones)
Simple economics. The manufacturers know no-one's going to bother returning anything that cheap even if it *is* utter garbage, so there's no reason *not* to make it utter garbage. I'm going to assume that's their basic business model. Pretty sure the dollar store applies similar reasoning and I doubt they'd care about losing their reputation if they sell tat, since everyone knows stuff for that price *will* be tat.
I wonder if there are such things as rough service LED bulbs that are designed to operate in the somewhat harsh environments that rough service bulbs are supposed to be used in. I see that other people have had better luck with Satco bulbs than you have, I expect their quality control isn't very good.
Incandescent light bulbs were never banned. The most common 40 to 100 watt bulbs were just required to be about 25% more efficient, which they did by switching to halogen capsules. 3-way, rough service, appliance, candelabra, and other specialty bulbs are exempt from the rule.
Actually the Satco bulb I installed when making this video in 2016 is still working today. I guess the early failure of the first one was just a fluke.
All incandescent bulbs are complete trash now. I have a few things that require incandescent (like keeping my chickens warm in the winter) and I barely get a month out of each bulb. I found a used 75 watt GE bulb in my basement and that's been going for months now. Probably because they aren't allowed to be produced in the US anymore, so they come from China, made from Chinesium, etc...
I'm gonna guess that they labeled those regular bulbs as "rough service" to get around the ban (like those crappy Sunbeam bulbs at Dollar Tree).
If nothing else, they did rate the wattage correctly. I measured it drawing 67 watts at 120 volts (the package says 68 watts).
Rough service means the filament is supported in multiple locations, IE the circular filament with 5 supports vs a straight filament with no supports. The one in the trash can is rough service for what its worth. Why not use an LED bulb? They are very cheap now, no warmup time and totally vibration proof and CRI doesnt matter in the garage
Thanks for the clarification. The bulb socket is positioned to shine light from the side, while LEDs produce most of their light from the top and block off most of the side with the housing, plus LEDs can cause interference with garage door opener remotes.
You should take a look at the Philips SlimStyle bulbs. They have what I would explain as a bi-directional pattern in the microphone world. Philips does enough filtering that interference shouldn't be too much of an issue.
CRI matters in the living quarters. In my place the only place where I have a LED bulb is the front outdoor light. Can't stand the compromised color of LEDs and CFLs compared to incandescents, and the blue light hazard in LEDs can contribute to brain fog and a bunch of other health issues!
led bulb are vibration resistant...
so yea should do.
some new ones have a corn shaped circuit inside.
or use led filament.
anyway tech advance very rapidly and this year led light bulb are now true replacement for incandescent light.
(philips,ikea lexman or osram ones)
For the uninitiated, what is "CRI" ?
When I moved into my house there were 2 rough service bulbs here, both 100 watt. They had that silicone-coated, kind of textured surface on the bulb. One, which, interestingly enough, was in the garage (but not the opener) has since burned out. The other, in a drop light, is still going strong. When that one goes I will look for a replacement with the silicone coating, I really think those are superior as that drop light has had its share of, er, drops, with no problems.
Rough service bulbs are not necessarily thicker glass but they have more filament supports and a little thicker filament which yours didn't seem to have.
That is vibration service NOT rough service.
Even the frosted coating on those looks like garbage.
All of the bulbs installed with the openers on the "new" garage are still going strong some five years later. I have not a clue who made them, but I'd definitely buy that type and brand again! (LED and CFLs definitely take the abuse better, but their bases seem not to fit in my openers.)
They ought to be like the ones that we used on the old electric trains I worked on, they ran on DC and were always stamped as "Rough Service". They needed to be because of the vibration on the trains of course, and were heavier and slightly dimmer than the ordinary lamps. They had a special fitting to deter the public from stealing them LOL . They sell similar Chinese "rough service" bulbs at a discount store near me. They're rubbish too! The "ordinary" bulbs are known to explode as well. Nice. NOT !
I always write the date on the base of the bulb with a sharpie (not the glass, it will fade). The first CFL lamps that I bought lasted the advertised 5 years with much more "run time" than they were rated for. The replacements had one lamp (out of 4) fail after 18 months.
Replaced those with 4 generic brand LED lamps... we'll see how long THEY last.
Got some generic halogen lamps, one was DOA (I could see that the halogen capsule was connected to only one wire inside the lamp), one lasted about 10 seconds, one lasted for 3 or 4 power cycles, and the final one lasted several weeks. Replaced those with LEDs, as well.
In my experience, halogen bulbs burn out much more quickly when installed base-up (such as in a ceiling fixture). When installed base-down (as in a table lamp) they last just as long as regular incandescent bulbs.
Since there was burn marks where the filament evaporated and popped in the bulb, and since it broke so easily when you threw it out, it sounds like the bulb developed an air leak.
About the time the 100watt bulbs were being phased out, I bought some of course. I had a four pack of them and hadn't got around to using them until now. They were a Wal-mart store brand. They have all lasted three weeks or less, being on only at night. Worst bulbs I've ever seen for longevity.
I've switched just about everything in my house that can be to LED(some smaller base candle style bulbs I've yet to find LED's for at a good price), but nothing in my shop yet but I do plan to change the garage door open over soon, and will see how well that last.
There's a storage closet in my house that's still running the same bulb that was installed when the house was built in the mid-1950s.
Do you happen to live in Lyon Estates, by chance? :p
I've taken notice of newer incandescent bulb's consistently shorter lifespans--despite claiming to have a similar or same hour rating--over older bulbs that have been in the same fixture and receive moderate to heavy use for close to (sometimes even over!) a decade. It's fortunate that a three way bulb is considered "specialty" (which it technically is), since most if not all of them have a 100 watt brightness setting. As they burn out, I've been primarily replacing the existing 100 watt bulbs with rough service equivalents; I've also noticed they tend to cast a lesser amount of light.
Probably someone has already said this in comments but it definitely would be more filament support wires if these were rough service for sure when I saw the broken bulb I might absolutely not rough service
The "Rough service" feature is that it's designed for (apparently) 130v, so the filament is being underrun, they sell similar ones over here (for use on 110v jobsite power which is 110v) and to be honest, they're regular bulbs with a get-out clause to get around the anti-filament bulb laws...
I remember seeing Satco bulbs being sold at Lowes in 10-12 bulb bulk packs about 5-7 years ago before the incandescent light bulb ban. I'm glad I didn't buy any. They remind me of Feit Electric or Sunbeam cheap bulbs.
I had LED bulbs in my garage door opener and the button pad opener would not work because of LED bulbs and the 60Hz interference.
Can we place bets on how long it lasts? ;)
This video reminds me of the first video I've ever watched on your Chanel where u got those GE light bulbs. Exelaint video!
put an led bulb in instead, the filament was possibly damaged or mal formed during manufacture, filament failure usually happens at turn on
I don't know if it's just me or what but it seems like almost all incandescent bulbs made right before the ban on them suck. They used to last for such a long time and now it seems they pop in about 6 months even under light use. I bought a package of bulbs from a discount warehouse type deal and it was rated for 130V and I think it was more of an industry type bulb and one of them already burned out, probably about 8 months after installation.
I notaced the samecthing, i think that salvania and philips were the only good brands left right before the ban
I love how you pronounce your "u"s, just like in my language.
Do you mean when he pronounces the word regular as, "ray-gull-ahh"?
Yes.
It's just his New Yorker/Jerseyian accent though.
Since it burned out so quickly and it broke so easily when you threw it in the garbage, maybe it wasn't sealed well enough.
Do you use LED lightbulbs?
Are these even legal to sell in America anymore? (or are "rough service" exempt from the ban?)
If memory serves, incandescent light bulbs up to 75 watts are still available for purchase in stores as are their rough service counterparts. 100 watt bulbs have been phased out, but I've noticed many stores selling slightly larger three way light bulbs with a 100 watt setting. Rough service bulbs are especially useful in applications and environments hazardous to CFL and LED lights such as those found in ovens.
Here is more than you ever wanted to know about the "incandescent light bulb ban": members.misty.com/don/incban.html With all the exemptions it's not really a ban at all. It just required the most common 40 to 100 watt bulbs to be replaced with the halogen type. The real ban won't go into effect until 2020, and there's still plenty of time for Congress to repeal or change it before then.
I think the light from incoddesent light bulbs feels better than florescent or LED bulbs. But sadly in the USA they rarely sell incandescent bulbs anymore : ( when I travel to Europe they sell them in every store. Plus incandescent bulbs use more power Do you like incandescent bulbs?
FYI it was the Republicans (George W. Bush) who implemented the ban in the first place!
And Dick was the one who started the EPA.
"A Satco poduct" Love it
How long did the bulb last in your garage door?
The replacement bulb is still in use today.
@@vwestlife oh really?! Then I guess the first one was a dud?
Yeah, light, weak glass. You will notice these makes a different sound when tapped on a hard surface compared to good quality glass bulbs. The cheap ones make more of a thud sound, like they're just shy of breaking.
why they don't just sell LED bulbs with garage door openers confuses the crap out of me.
The newest garage door openers probably are fitted with LEDs, but remember, so many people still use garage door openers that pre-date LED bulbs.
It looks like these bulbs actually do have the extra filament supports that rough service bulbs are supposed to have, but the rest of the bulb is simply garbage. Too bad; these would technically last 10000 hours at 120V!
I used name brand rough service in my garage and they still gave up the ghost in a few months. Sylvania. Ended up changing to CFL even though I'm in Minnesota.
led bulb are vibration resistant...
so yea should do.
some new ones have a corn shaped circuit inside.
or use led filament.
anyway tech advance very rapidly and this year led light bulb are now true replacement for incandescent light.
(philips,ikea lexman or osram ones)
Jory just can't break bulbs.
Simple economics. The manufacturers know no-one's going to bother returning anything that cheap even if it *is* utter garbage, so there's no reason *not* to make it utter garbage. I'm going to assume that's their basic business model.
Pretty sure the dollar store applies similar reasoning and I doubt they'd care about losing their reputation if they sell tat, since everyone knows stuff for that price *will* be tat.
Was it Nocturne Op 9. No. 2 in the background?
did I just watch a video about light bulbs my life sucks
wow, out of all things I was not expecting a gtfo my deck clip.
VWestlife: throws lightbulb
Lightbulb: breaks
VWestlife: :0
Ruenheid: o_O
Do you live in RI? Or does Ocean State Job Lot have locations outside RI?
No, they have stores across the Northeast.
the bulb's texture doesn't seem rough for me
I wonder if there are such things as rough service LED bulbs that are designed to operate in the somewhat harsh environments that rough service bulbs are supposed to be used in. I see that other people have had better luck with Satco bulbs than you have, I expect their quality control isn't very good.
LEDs can withstand a lot movement and vibrations by their very nature
I though regular Lightbulbs are outlawed by now. I don't have any in my house. Even exchanged the LED's for Philips HUE Bulbs.
Incandescent light bulbs were never banned. The most common 40 to 100 watt bulbs were just required to be about 25% more efficient, which they did by switching to halogen capsules. 3-way, rough service, appliance, candelabra, and other specialty bulbs are exempt from the rule.
Oh ok, over here in Europe there is a complete ban. At least here in Austria but I think in the other Member States too.
...but is it a good idea to microwave that?
if you need stabil bulbs take 12v halogen with hight wattage. i have mounted one on my work bench!
You don’t put a 75 W lightbulb in a garage door opener you put a 40 W appliance bulb. Its plastic isn’t it? Lower the wattage the longer they last
Actually the Satco bulb I installed when making this video in 2016 is still working today. I guess the early failure of the first one was just a fluke.
We should never buy Chinese incandescent light bulbs :)
yea my mom once got some at big lots for her ceiling fan and after just a week the outer glass just fell off of 2 of them lol
My grandpa had some of these and they blew off and took the breaker with it
led bulb are vibration resistant...
That's disappointing. I usually find decent stuff at Ocean State Job Lot.
How's that bulb doing now?
Still working!
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All incandescent bulbs are complete trash now. I have a few things that require incandescent (like keeping my chickens warm in the winter) and I barely get a month out of each bulb. I found a used 75 watt GE bulb in my basement and that's been going for months now.
Probably because they aren't allowed to be produced in the US anymore, so they come from China, made from Chinesium, etc...
Incandescent and halogen light bulbs are still made in the USA. Just not these ones.
Still working? :)
Yes.
is it a good idea to throw this, i'm your host, jory c.......?
Close... that series was called "GTFO My Deck".
use to watch the microwave show, just watched some of their pizza reviews, interesting, such a low sub channel too.
In a garage door i would just go for the ebay filament 8w bulb
just buy $10 led bulbs. I use em in a droplight and they take the abuse.
I bought 4 super cheap Chinese cassette tapes in CHINA TOWN (SAN FRAN) i thought I would pay 4 dollars but instead I payed 40 CENTS
Freiedrich Chopin Nocturne op.9 no.2
I wish they make more vídeos with classical back-soundtracks of this quality.
get a candle
Time for led's. ;)
Hungary fck yeee :))
I just use led's in my door...
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