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The movie also confirmed that 838 Ultron was a “good bot” and not the evil AI from 616. Therefore, it is unlikely that Vision was ever created.
Great point!
Makes me wonder if Tony in that universe created Ultron or someone else. Makes me wonder if he also ever created his Iron Man suits.
Then who’s the father?
@@ryuucano Hank Pym
@@ryuucano maybe a human version of the character played by Bettany? It is the multiverse after all
Seems like the Illuminati dealt with the Thanos situation off world on Titan probably without their respective teams knowledge. Their job being to stave off problems before they get out of hand. And they seemed a bit cocky anyway so after destroying the Mad Titan they figured wrongly that Wanda would be no trouble. Boy were they wrong ... tell em' Black Bolt ... oh ... wait ... sorry.
Blackbolt: **handsigh** Get off my back
Soon as they said we can handle Wanda was the moment we all knew they were gonna die.
They are a densely powered more mobile group since it's like 4-5 members. Most likely more cohesive due to the lack of the Tony/Steve drama
Cringe
Too soon man. I hope that’s not the last we see of him.
Earth 838 seemed like a more peaceful and eco-friendly environment. Maybe they only faced Thanos as their big threat. Ultron sentinels worked out right in that universe, which means Sokovia is likely to be just fine, which also means Wanda and Pietro lived on peacefully like normal citizens. Maybe that's why Wanda of that universe didn't have the trauma like her counterpart of Earth 616.
1. Thanos may have been less powerful in their universe.
2. Their Wanda didn't have a need for the evil spellbook. So Wanda isn't really the Scarlet witch power in their universe.
3. Fatal mistake for the smartest man to tell Wanda about black bolt
4. Their universe's Dr.Strange broke the rules destroyed another universe and got the book of vashanti that was probably the lynchpin to destroying thanos if their thanos was just as powerful if not more powerful. Alas, they killed off their Dr.Strange after as a punishment even though he probably did most of the work with the book of vashanti for the book of vashanti is the mirror image of the book of evil that the Scarlett Witch uses, just that it's a book of good.
@@FlexGC you got that right.
As big as a threat 838 Thanos might be, he's still not the notorious 616 Thanos. Wanda is much more relaxed there. Maybe their Reed Richards isn't as smart as the 616 Reed Richards. Another thing, maybe their Dr Strange is more corrupt than the 616 Dr Strange.
@@FlexGC To be fair He didn't know Wanda can remove his mouth Lol
Maybe Tony's "suit of armour" actually worked.
except Vision would never exist in Earth 838...
Why do I feel like it was only strange that fought thanos with his new corruption state. Everybody else looks fresh no damage at all. Strange just went ahead to finish the job at the cost of his life. In all honesty this version of the Illuminati looks like they can’t even do any damage to thanos and I think strange knew that and went ahead without them
@Scoot I read somewhere that wanda drained her powers
Yes thats how it went dr strange vs thanos it was confirmed thanos only had 3 stones there and dr strange had the book of vishanti and it looks like strange won but badly beat up by him which might mean this thanos could be a bigger threat but obviously vishanti is more powerful
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@@quincyislegit That's right and Wanda would've done the same to 616 CapMarvel. I don't think 838 was less powerful compare to 616 CM. She lost since her powers was pretty much extinguished by the time the statue fell on her.
@@ReelLife97 or maybe the 838 CM didn't receive powers from the Tesseract like 616 CM
Illuminati Strange also looks like the only one with battle damage. The battle was probably largely a 1v1 between Strange and Thanos
prof x said it took the team working together and using the book of vishanti to beat him.
because steven the only one visibly harmed, maybe the illuminati had to fight steven after thanos.
@@fresh2924 no
@@fresh2924 I don’t think so. Strange willingly told the team that he destroyed 2 universes. I think he accepted his fate and knew what was going to happen after they defeated Thanos. But who knows, I wish we could’ve seen that battle!
I could believe that considering strange put up an okay fight against thanos while he had the time stone and thanos has the other stones
@@legendarybroly2 it was confirmed by marvelous wave thanos only had two stones as he had the power stone and then went to titan to fight the rest so he probably got the tezzeruct and power stone and also professor x said that strange had the book of vishanti so i think it was close battle and this thanos is more powerful
Everyone keeps saying Monica Rambeau was "easily killed by a statue" but everyone keeps ignoring that was AFTER Scarlet Witch drained her powers away. Making her a normal human, if even for a brief moment.
@Floating Heads Media i think she's KO'd
Maria, not Monica.
Thank you fam and it doesn’t even show she’s actually dead but if she is it definitely makes sense
regardless, it took her 5 seconds to drain captain marvel but it took her a incredibly long time to do the same to america chavez
@@tyjuann3626 Probably, bcs Maria is just a variant of Captain Marvel while America is a Nexus being.
the reason why vision isn’t in the illuminati’s universe is cause they succeeded in making ultron, there’s a minor line when wanda’s is mowing through the bots where they call themselves ultron, vision only came to be because ultron failed.
Perhaps. This Ultron could have also been made by Pym and not Stark too
@@TheBaBaTV you are right. There's no way there Hank Pym could create Ultron in any universe.
comic
@@TheBaBaTV in the comics Pym is the person that makes ultron
@@TheBaBaTV first off Hank pym was the original one to create ultron. So before you try and act all smart, check yourself. For all we know hank was the one who built these ultrons
This question was stuck in my mind for so long after the movie. Seeing thanos as a huge threat in entire 616 , in838 he was handled like cake through the book of vishanti.
And Dr Strange became the bigger threat instead
yeah and whatever tactic they used to fight him they just laughed and said nah to using it against wanda. if they fought her all at once it would have been fun to see how she dealt with it vs a dumb 1 v 1 takendown. thanos in the comics has to take on dozens of people and cosmic beings all at once so its both a psychic attack / astral thing and his physical body all trying to overwhelm him.
@@danielroden9424their wanda only had telekinesis snd not reality warping so its fair (albeit a little arrogant) to assume they couldve taken her down. strange only said she was jumping through universes, not that she was a reality warper
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If Thor ignored everything else including Thanos’ army, and went straight at Thanos’ skull, it would have all been over. I find it hard to believe that Thanos won in every reality but one.
I believe that after witnessing how pretentious and cocky the Illuminati of that Earth was, Doctor Strange will form an Illuminati team much more akin to the one we know from the comics.
So another cocky Illuminati?
@@B00s3 Less cocky and less death.
@@DarthVader-bu7th I'd say the comic Illuminati has less death, but is still very cocky.
@@B00s3 We want cocky, we just don't want stupid cocks.
We want iron man !
I would love to see the battle they had with Thanos before this happened. They could have shown more how they killed him for at least 10 minutes then snap back to their memories
If you think about it. The team on titan almost got the gauntlet out of Thanos by a simple mind control. Imagine if prof. X got a go at thanos' mind. And all of them being "mature" unlike starlord. I don't see it going wrong.
@@nico77212 also mr fantastic is basically the Cloak, The Webs, Drax holding down his leg, Starlord's gravity bomb, and Strange's chain magic all in one
Not to mention Captain Marvel is also there. This 838 had it easy
@@gabbylikeskicks exactly but they said that they had to use the dark hold???????? Uh Black bolt can kill anybody with his voice. Smh worse plot armour. Xavier, captain Marvel and Black bolt is a cake walk
@@gabbylikeskicks I think the villain for the next avengers film will be the illuminati from earth 838 after mordo uses the timestone to revive his allies like Thanos did to vision.
Then making Dr strange and wanda the ultimate threats of the mulitverse.
@@nico77212 hmmmm. that's actually an interesting concept. Mordo being the only one left alive could set up something
I feel that her death by statue was possible due to Wanda using her Chaos Magic to drain Captain Marvel’s power/abilities. Agatha did the same to Wanda, and Wanda now possesses said powers.
it would also be an Easter egg to Captain Marvel being drained of her powers by Rogue.
Wanda could always do this stuff she just had to open her mind and let that power flow more fluently then restraint
@@muk3558 It seems like all higher level magic users can. Strange, Mordo, and Agatha all can do it. I was very disappointed when they introduced it with Mordo because now its just this go to solution to whomever they are fighting. Just steal their powers.
Captain marvels powers are not through witchcraft or sorcery though, her powers are straight from the stone, completely different. Wanda can’t consume cap marvels powers !
@@TheBaBaTV how could she not? She destroyed the mind stone before using or having chaos magic. She’s clearly way more powerful and capable now. Agatha was taking Wanda’s powers and they came from a stone also according to the mcu.
It's actually pretty easy to make some assumptions. Universe 838 has Prof X to mind control, confuse and delay Thanos. Both Black Bolt and Captain Marvel combined might have overpowered Thanos physically. Dr. Strange was the sorcerer supreme and that amps him 4x his power. Give him the book of Vishanti or the Darkhold and he's one OP sorcerer. We already know he had used the darkhold so that's his ace up his sleeve.
isn't sorcerer supreme just a title? well he does gain the ability to read more books
@@PH0S I have it on good word that being sorcerer supreme granted by the Vishanti boosts power up to 4x. That's why Wong is boosted too.
Especially if Mantis could mentally subdue Thanos then Xavier could do an even better job
OR
As we can see, none of the illuminati members looks like ,they just went through a fight with the mad titan (No scratch on a single one of em), except Dr.Strange. So that means he fought thanos alone and others got there, in the end.
Captain carter even has her makeup on...for christ's sake
Wanda siphoned Captain Marvel’s energy like she did Agatha in WandaVision… that’s why she was able to be killed so easily by the fallen statue.
Man I'm so glad u answered that. That was driving me insane, how the fok did she die from statue. Makes tons of sense, ty
@@jeffythecreator467 yeah, you could see her armor started to disintegrate when they were facing off in the air. At that moment, you can tell Marvel realized this and started to look worried before being thrown to the ground, and ultimately crushed by the statue.
Keep in mind that Captain Marvel can absorb energy and power up, which was what Danvas did to Thanos and gradually got so strong thanos couldnt even head butt her
I'm so glad you said this because I was just about to say it. I hate wen youtubers don't have all the facts
If the other Wanda's in other universes have children, then it would be obvious that Vision is a real man in those universes
They need to do a What If episode on this during season 2.
Sadly, I think they started working on season 2 a while ago, so I don’t think it’s likely. I hope I’m wrong, but even if I’m right at least we can hope for season 3
@@Yan-rv3mh marvel plans ahead so that has nothing to do with it
I would think Black Bolt probably had the best chance of breaking Thanos' sword. The sound vibrations would have a different affect on it as opposed to Vibranium or Adamantium. It just seemed to me that the heroes of 838 were weaker thank 616 so maybe their Thanos was as well.
They had the Book of Vishanti which leveled them up significantly.
Also they had captain marvel at the ready
Well I remember that this alien chick from Infinity War really made Thanos struggle by her telepathic abilities. And they have Xavier on their team, who is like, The Telepath. Maybe he stunned Thanos while BB and DS did their thing.
The only way to break Uru is with magic.
@@brandonreed09 Strange of 838 had knowledge from both the Book Of Vishanti AND the Darkhold.
5:35 to be fair, scarlet witch is a way more dangerous threat that all carol's enemies together, i think that carol would give scarlet witch better fight than maria did ofc but scarlet witch would still end carol without any issue
I think Wanda drained Rambeau CM of her powers, and then dumped the statue on her. This is a testament to how powerful Wanda is. CM in both universes are relatively equal in power
Thank you! I'm glad someone else recognized that!
What? ..
But how can she drain her out of her durability, she drained her powers and energy yeah which is why her mask was dissolving but that's her cosmic energy, you can't drain out the physical strength and durability out of someone, our captain marvel even when she couldn't use her powers was still a superhuman.
Carol Danvers had Kree blood in her unlike Maria who may have had only human blood. In the comics, Carol is half kree.
@@shehabgamal8640 Power supplied by an infinity gem. Wanda was draining American Chavez, so the film already established Wanda could do this. She used the same trick Agatha used on her in Wandavision. Also, Defender Strange tried to drain America, to keep her powers from being used by evil beings. So this ability is well established.
I don't think Captain Marvel from illuminati was necessarily weaker. The reason the statue could kill her was because Wanda was stripping her power during the fight. She drained her power, causing her armor to come off. She was left powerless when statue crushed her.
Yeah, it’s pretty clear she wasn’t using her powers for whatever reason when the statue hit her and that’s why she died. Establishes a weakness when she isn’t using her powers.
How did wanda beat her I thought captain marvel was suppose to be the strongest hero in the MCU
@@leonfoxlover739 She's one of the strongest hard hitters, but reality warping is just way too op.
@@mysteryman.2985 dang
No she was not syphoning powers. Look at when she drains America versus her fight with Captain Marvel. There was no draining. At best you can say CM was stunned. In reality it was bad writing.
I hope John Krasinski will appear as Richards again in main universe. He was created for this role
He was so corny
Why though? He was okay but I wouldn't say born for it
Smartest man in the world tells Wanda how to beat them lmao.
MEH
@@cowshop8757 reed is corny.
How the illuminati beat thanos: they don't have Star Lord
Oh I need more of John Krasinski’s mr fantastic he looks perfect for the character.
I think Black Bolt didnt wanna use his voice bc of the power of the stones
since the stones couldve absorbed, block, copy, or even more to the voice if he did use it, Thanos was just strong enough since in the comics Thanos has survived the yell of Black Bolt before.
Side Note: The reality stone couldve made some major problems for Black Bolt
Made him dream, made it look like he killed everyone on accident(again), or even worse made it look like his mouth disappeared and thats way it looked like titan wasnt that’s destroyed(it already was tho)
Damn thats badass
It's highly likely that prof.x stunned him with mind hijinx (like mantis in 616). Mordo seems more likely as the Sorcerer that used the book as strange was apparently reading the darkhold.
Technically Black Bolt was weakened during that encounter with Thanos.
To the face at that
Reminds me of what Thanos said to Black Bolt in one of the comics
I didn't come for a whisper.
I came to hear you scream!!
A couple of points here. Wanda was in Endgame and could have easily beaten Thanos.
THE SCARLET WITCH was in Doctor Strange 2. She was way more powerful and psychotic
Brain damage , makes you more powerful
DARKHOLD
@@kachi2000 ,DARKHOLD
you only easily beat thanos if you easily beat him. he doesnt go in 1 V 10,000 its his army vs their army. since she didnt wipe out his army he gets to use it. she got wombo comboed fair and square.
@@danielroden9424 I'm saying Scarlet Witch's powers are beyond the infinity gauntlet. She could have wiped out Thanos and his army, by herself.
Crazumiest idea: Make a movie called Infinity 838. We see the movie specifically from the 838 universe's events. All Fantastic 4, mutants, inhumans, and Rambeaux Captain Marvel.
I feel like the video understated 838's Captain Marvel. She didn't die to a falling statue straight up. Her powers were drained out of her while fighting Wanda. The moment the statue falls on her, she was already only at human-level or near that. If anything, that's a testament the The Scarlet Witch's power, not Captain Marvel's weakness.
Her power was drained. Weak as fk
@@jitian7353 she still had power because the explosion hit her and she hit the statue at 70 mph and fell 50 feet with no signs of damage
@@Us3r739 the fact that her power was drained is what im talking about. Wasnt one of her own powers energy absorbtion?
What if all those teams who’s leaders were folded by Wanda are gonna try to travel to universe 616 to get revenge which could also lead to secret wars
Intriguing, and this could be made easier to accomplish because of the incursions. Yup this could work.
Secret wars isn’t about that tho
Secret wars is in the making but not for the revenge unfortunately
I love how you described it "folded"🤣
I hope we get a more comic accurate version of Thanos. Dude was a beast, he would put mcu Thanos to shame, even with the stones
Thanos in Avengers Post Credit Scene was Comic Accurate.
@@hurricane7727 I believe ben Thomas meant how much more power he has in the comics, honestly that might be overkill but who knows
@@robbiyoung85 Thanos in Avengers 2012 looked Comic Accurate
@@hurricane7727 Oh yeah, he looked comic accurate I will 100% agree, but so far as powers, they depowerd him and the black order as well.
Ye in mcu they made him fodder , like dude is unaffected by likes of the witch , thor and hulk in the comics , here he's having problems with mid Marvel
Loki has actually taught us something about Infinity Stones and so has the comics. There are items, weapons, and so on down the line that are more powerful by designed and allowed by The One-Above-All. Don't forget that the TLT and TOAA allow what are called necessary evils to happen, much like the highest powers in most religions allow it. Loki found out that Infinity Stones do not work outside their universe, so if you take an Infinity Stone from Earth 838 and try to use it as a substitute for the same stone on Earth 616/19999 it won't work. Heck the TVA uses them as paper weights so that means the TVA sits right outside the multiverse like The Beyonder. Honestly, how the heroes of Earth 838 defeated Thanos was explained in Doctor Strange 2 and they felt that adding 10 minutes of an irrelevant battle did not need to happen. It was more important that they explain everything around Strange because it is his movie after all. Just like how Into The Spider-Verse, all the spider heroes from different Earths started phasing into nothingness while on Miles' Earth, they needed to keep that continuity going and they kind of did. I just didn't like how Wanda torn throw the Illuminati so quick while dream walking. I think they should have put a damper on it but then again Strange wouldn't have been able to do much dream walking at the end. In the grand scheme of things, Disney's Marvel didn't feel the events on Earth 838 were worth showing, the explanation they gave was good enough. 🤷
@Sentinel Prime it's not that they work differently, they still have the same purpose but they are inherently different from their counterparts.
@@fuku-chii474 Actually what we learnwd from what if and Loki is that infinity stones only didn't work in the pocket reality of TVA. They worked everywhere else. Somehow the TVA must have some kind of an anti-power/magic thing that stops even the infinity stones from working. Magic (Loki's powers) hadn't worked there either.
@@amerpdx no, that is not in what if.. that's just in Loki. And I was referring to @Sentinel Prime comment saying "infinity stones work differently"
@@fuku-chii474 Loki showed us that Infinity stones don't work in TVA, while What If showed us that they work everywhere else.
@@amerpdx yes and I'm trying to say that I am not talking about Loki. I am talking about how infinity stones from different universes are inherently different from each other and yet their purpose in every universe stays the same.
I think they dropped some of the details about the illuminatis lives on purpose. I really think we are going to see something of these characters again. Franklin Richards may want revenge? Doubt that last part but it’s a cool thought. Maybe he’ll be a different version of the maker or something
@OTF MF I haven’t finished reading the entire thing, but don’t the avengers basically go to war with the ultimate universe for a period of time in new avengers and all that?
This could be the perfect shoe horn for that. Maybe the heros who are left on the 838 reality or slathering at the change for revenge against 616 wanda, and maybe doctor strange for bringing her there
@@Dagglestone that would actually be a good idea for all we know you might of just cracked the code because that’s almost a perfect way to introduce this type of thing. Can’t forget Mordor’s quote on the bill comes due either although earth 838 would likely win since they have the X-men, fantastic 4 and in humans none of which we’ve seen in 616. And then our version of Ironman and a lot of other heroes are dead or gone off.
I loved the movie do not get me wrong I just was going hmmm and I am now going, wait so the Wanda in 838 is she going to be alright since the friends and families of the 6 are going to be PISSED
Is that what starts the Secret Wars??? F4, mutants, the inhumans and etc getting revenge because 616 wanda killed their loved ones? and what happens to their wanda does she join? ( think she would )
@@Mama-Dee1969 I don’t think she would tbh mainly because she would probably give herself up to appease the whole 838 universe. Although the rest of the x men and probably inhumans would have more to say, who knows.
Wanda vs Franklin would be really cool
Some answers to the video's questions:
(1) Earth 838's Captain Marvel isn't weak. She was just killed with ease because it looked like her powers were absorbed by Wanda and turned back human for a while before getting crushed by a statue
(2) Thanos didn't have all the Infinity Stones (no Time nor Mind stones) when he fought the Illuminati; which is why he was weaker
I thought the alt Dr. strange used the Darkhold to beat Thanos, not the Book of Vishanti. That’s why Black Bolt killed him after the battle. If Strange used the Book of Vishanti to beat Thanos, they wouldn’t have needed to kill Strange.
Your comment literally makes no sense… you said strange used the book of vishanti to beat thanos, not the dark hold.. then you said if strange used vishanti they wouldn’t kill him… but he did use vishanti.. and still killed him..
He used both
He used both books, he used the Darkhold way back
Then during the fight on Titan he used the Vishanti. They didn't kill him because he used the books, they killed him because he had lost his mind afterwards
@@My_Lacrimosa I thought they killed him because Strange using the Darkhold caused an incursion that had destroyed a parallel universe.
Strange used the dark hold and the rest of the Illuminati members used the book of vishanti
I like to imagine Black Bolt bit Thanos's sword and yelled to break it. But I also can't imagine a realistic scenario where that didn't just end in Black Bolt's decapitation. Perhaps their Captain Marvel had caught the blade as Thanos tried to smite her, and Black Bolt was nearby, and seized the opportunity to aim his shout between them, breaking the blade?
They should of showed more of this scene it was amazing.
I've been thinking about Iron Man not being on the illuminati, what if Iron Man already died in a previous event. It is possible that Reed Richards made Ultron but if Tony Stark made Ultron he would have to died somewhere between the invention of Ultron and Thanos's quest for the infinity stones. Maybe Earth 838's version of civil war? Tony Stark could have invented the superior suit and it began to corrupt him, causing him to do something triggering civil war or even the illuminati killing him for the greater good (much like 838's Strange)?
His death was an absolute point in time. In every universe, he dies at the same exact moment in time.
In addition, this is also where Ultron was a success. Tony was probably the leader of the Illuminati at some point but died doing something else.
Spider Man exists.
It was stated by the writers that the empty chair in the Illuminate chamber was meant for Iron Man but due to the pandemic they couldn't get Tom Cruise for the cameo so they decided to leave it be.
@@kevinmosca2472 source: …trust me bro
@@kevinmosca2472 that doesn't debunk what I said though. I'm talking about the earth 383 storyline, not talking about the casting.
thanos' sword was never confirmed to be uru.
could still be any of: adamantium, cogmium, dargonite, omnium, yaka, or like literally any other strong marvel metal or alloy of multiple metals
I could see Strange starting a 616 Illuminati almost out of respect. The start of another team.
Saw the movie last night, loved it! This is definitely the bloodiest and most violent MCU entry, you can tell Raimi had full control here.
5:04 "this captain marvel seems less powerful than Carol Danvers". You do realize Wanda absorbed all of Captain Marvel's power before she fell and got crushed, right? She no longer had her powers to stop the debris from crushing her.
You do realize that she was a variant? Variants are less powerful versions of the originals.
@@danielsuarez3198thats legit not true
@@danielsuarez3198 variant just means another version from another universe/timeline. Meaning our Strange is a variant, our hulk is a variant, our Thor is a variant etc. Some variants will be weaker, some stronger and some the same.
@@danielsuarez3198 bruh… most variants are stronger. Rkt, chaos war hercules, king thanos, ultimate iron man.. all more powerful variant then the original.
@@danielsuarez3198 Wtf, from where you are pulling this off?
Awesome vid!
I have to disagree with your assessment of their victory over Thanos. The Professor X flashback, they showed that they had to kill their Dr. Strange because he used and was corrupted by the Darkhold, not the book of Vishanti, which gave him the power to defeat Thanos, and why Blackbolt had to kill him.
He was killed fot the potential danger that he might become to the multiverse, not because the infuence of the darkhold
Why wasn't this a potential possibility when Dr strange was looking through all the futures?
@@TheGuillito98 the danger of using the dark hold again not himself. If he didnt use it and cause a destruction of the universe mentioned then they wouldnt do anything to him. Its because of the destroyed universe and the risk of him doing it again
The Illuminati literally said they used the book of Vishanti to defeat thanos also
@@RyuMasterEX when he was looking at the potential outcomes of the fight with Thanos, we have to assume he was going into each with his different ways to fight thanos and then saw how they failed and how the only one they won was by letting Thanos win first. He would only be able to see outcomes of his strategies, so their are plenty of outcomes where thanos loses if others are putting together a battle plan.
Since Wanda in endgame was able to break a piece of Thanos sword with her blast, I’d think the illuminati captain marvel, could’ve produced a blast strong enough to break the sword. Since she also posses powers from an infinity stone.
I’d also mention black bolt as well, but I’m not sure if his scream has precision to hit the sword.
We actually do know where Vision is during the movie. As we all saw, Ultron in this universe was successfully created instead of becoming genocidal. This means that vison was never created by Ultron. Therefore Vision exists within the drones in a similar way to how Banner described in Wakanda. That being, parts of himself, the stone, Ultron, and Tony are all working together to create the personality of this AI who in this instance was only created once in the form of Ultron.
I hope they make this a What If episode. It'd be cool to see the story play out plus they don't need to worry about bringing back all the actors
Strange: “Wanda! I’ve come to bargain!”
Wanda: “What bargain?”
They did Black Bolt so dirty in that movie
A lot of very interesting points!
5:04 i have seen many theories suggesting that wanda absorbed captain marvel’s power the way she did with agatha (you could see maria’s mask disintegrating and flying towards wanda, probably insinuating power absorbtion) that’s why she was killed by a falling statue
Really hope we get Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic with their teams in the MCU and not be left as corpses of Scarlet Witch
Any sort of research into future marvel projects will tell you that the fantastic 4 is having its own movie and is rumored to appear in the new ant man movie. Same with inhumans and x menu
You can watch Inhumans. Its technically mcu and its the same actor playing Blackbolt that played him in the movie.
@@dr.darklaw25 It's not MCU. The actor is the same, but Black Bolt power level in that series is a joke.
@@jdksdj11 It definitely is in the mcu and its also on Disney +
Unless Google is lying idk
Blackbolt is my favorite Marvel hero. I know little about him but he's my favorite design wise and power wise. And then he died within 10 mins
Don’t know if anyone has brought this up yet but the reason there isn’t a Vision in 838 is because the Ultron protocol worked. Vision was the body ultron wanted to make for himself went he went rogue. Seeing as that didn’t happen in 838’s universe there is no need to create the Vision.
oh shit then who's kids did Wanda have
@@aidang20633 Paul Bettany
@@aidang20633 Wonder Man
7:00 Also black bolt, being a singular inhuman among multiple inhumans
Based on the information we have thus far, if 838 Thanos got his first four Stones in the same order as 616 Thanos did, then we can probably assume that the Avengers were at least somewhat appraised of the situation, however Strange was able to incapacitate Cull and Ebony before he could be abducted, ergo preventing the mainstream involvement of Stark and Parker in the fighting. Proxima and Corvus probably still attacked Vision but were presumably incapacitated earlier on as well.
No Stark, Parker and Ebony going to space means that neither they nor the GotG get brought to Titan. Strange assembles the Illuminati quick enough who then go to Titan to defeat Strange, as depicted in MoM. It's not likely that any wide-scale mobilization of Wakandan forces was likely, and Vision may have been kept under the watch of the Avengers.
It's also worth noting that it appears that, in 838, the Ultron AI became corrupted but somehow never went so far as to amass vibranium and destroy Sokovia (how, I don't know). This would mean that the events leading to Civil War would never have happened, so Wanda's power levels would have remained on par with those she had at the end of AoU in 616. The events of CW never happening also mean that the Sokovia Accords don't become a thing and Wanda doesn't become a fugitive, and we already know that Vision bought the deed for his and Wanda's property in Westview before the events of IW.
TL;DR: in 838, Ultron didn't win, which means CW doesn't happen, Wanda never develops her powers further, Vision doesn't die, Wanda and Vision get their house in Westview built and adopt Billy and Tommy together, as Wanda's powers wouldn't have advanced far enough to give them biological children. Vision is most likely the chief breadwinner of the house, hence why we don't see him during MoM, and the Avengers never had to get further involved in IW as Strange was proactive enough to mobilize the Illuminati and go straight to Titan to defeat Thanos.
Visions not vision in 838 if all thats true. No reason to create him if ultron was a good robot. So no vis. No crazy wanda from that scenerio
Firstly, I believe it wasn’t the book of Ashanti that the Illuminati used it was just the dark hold. That was Strange’s whole reasoning for using it in the first place, to defeat Thanos. It wouldn’t make sense to take the risk of using the dark hold and then also use the book of Ashanti. They also specify that it was Strange and the awesome power of the dark hold which did defeat Thanos. The other team members seem almost completely untouched in the flash back, whereas Strange is clearly mangled and torn up from the battle. I’d assume Strange confronted Thanos alone and the other members fought Thanos’s army on earth. Or at the very least the other members with Strange were all killed in the battle against Thanos. This would also makes sense for the Illuminati because it would mean that Strange would be weakened from the battle and thus less able to try and defend himself from being killed after the fight; if he decides to change his mind.
Regardless of anyone's beliefs, let's stick to what Professor X said precisely. Supreme Strange used the Darkhold mostly for dreamwalking, but it is the book of Vishanti mentioned alone by Charles Xavier, which helped them defeat Thanos.
I love your videos..., but at 00:11 & 00:12 The way you said professor had me dead😫🤣
Prof. Xavier: "why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Stop hitting yourself" to Thanos
Your forgetting that thanos wore his armor in the end game battle also. They already said he felt more invincible with the stones.
He didn’t really have the stones in the Endgame battle, yet-he came to get them, so it makes sense he would wear armor. For that matter, he only had the stones for a brief amount of time, and he was largely prevented from making any good use of them. Not to mention, that version of Thanos had to learn the capabilities of the stones mid fight, rather than individually during his original prolonged conquest.
@@tommyw5332I know that's my point. He felt more invincible with the stones and in turn. Didn't need the armor. I'm aware he didn't have them in endgame. I was referring to his armor not the stones.
He didnt have the armor on Titan, which is the only relevant battle
One point you missed! Wanda absorbed the energy from Maria which rid her of her invulnerability. It was a reverse uno of sorts. Wanda is smart and powerful.
no . it was stupid..Wanda isn't unbeatable .she is a reality warper she didn't need to do any of that shit she could have just conjured up the kids..it was just bad writing
I feel the fans fill out the plot holes more than the writers and studios do.
It be good to see how that battle went down with Thanos
Compare the power levels of the fights vs Thanos. The group fighting Thanos in 838 was far more powerful than the group from 616. In 616, the only one on Titan that could really stand toe to toe with Thanos was Dr. Strange. But in 838, Dr. Strange has the book of vishanti.
In Earth-616: If this moron Star Lord behave his self, they can defeat Thanos after they separate the gauntlet.
In Earth-838: They used the two books to defeat Thanos.
Basic.
I’m impressed by your explicit analysis of the film. Theres so many people talking about what seemed “off” about this film and, while i see where they’re coming from, it is important to examine the film as a whole and that includes scenes like this. In my opinion, the future of the MCU is bright…our questions may be answered in the next film.
wow you’re stupendous wave right? i’ve seen your star wars stuff. super cool
In my head canon, Dr strange of that universe 1v1 thanos and when the illuminati arrived he just accepted his fate. The book of vishanti so stronk wanda did not let us see what it's capable of doing
OPINIONS NEEDED: I watched dr strange 1 the other day. When strange is learning how to use a sling ring Mordo says they can be used to "open a portal anywhere in the known multiverse" did they just abandon that plot detail bc that kinda makes the whole 2nd movie pointless for America chavas
Just disregard it as a passing comment that wasn’t meant to be taken completely literally. Happens all the time. Another way to interpret it though, would be that Wong was using an outdated idea of the multiverse. Because sling rings can also take you to other dimensions like the mirror dimension and the dark dimension, which could be considered alternate universes to one who is unaware of the extended multiverse.
@@kobeskreations6932 They actually can open pathways between universes. Just like Strange Supreme did in What If in the fight against Infinite Ultron. He is able to summon everyone from the Zombie universe including Zombie Wanda to fight Ultron.
@@Rnjeazy Seems like anything that Strange Supreme does should be treated as an exception rather than a rule simply due to how powerful he is. Dude broke an entire universe so upgrading a sling ring to actually be able to traverse the true multiverse doesn’t sound too far fetched.
yea but he has to know exactly where he is going. So he can only travel to like 838 again idk why he didn't just tp to 616 tho
616 strange did use the book of vishanti, he saw a star on the piece of paper just before it burned thus giving him the idea to tell portal girl to control her powers
I'm glad to see that John Krasinski got shredded for this role.
I mean, the main 616 universe already showed that Captain Marvel can overpower Thanos, and the Illuminativerse 838 had a Marvel variant. Yes, 838 Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet (judging by his outfit, he was the equivalent to Infinity War Thanos), but then again, the Illuminati also had Black Bolt, who can destroy an entire planet by simply talking normally (it's probably why Titan looks even more messed up in their timeline), as well as Professor X, who could definitely mess with Thanos' mind (Mantis was able to stall him, and Xavier has far greater mind abilities). And, of course, Strange fueled by the Darkhold. Also, who knows, there might've been quite a few X-men, Inhumans, Avengers (confirmed to exist due to Peggy) and the remaining F4 present as well. Basically, without all stones, Thanos was at a disadvantage.
It also makes you realize how overpowered the 838 universe was compared to 616. No wonder they never even reached the "Endgame" of their universe. Makes me wish that Marvel Studios had retained the Fox movie characters way earlier. Imagine the craziness (they probably wouldn't have nerfed Thanos as much to show how powerful he can be against that many characters).
I believe they should make 1 long movie about what happened in 838. I see that movie making a tons of money.
This Thanos has Armor on though.
too be fair i kinda want to see all of the illuminati come back in Live action , but the one i want to see the most is Captain Carter
To The Marvelous Wave, I've seen a lot of your marvel and star wars videos and your narrating is way better/easier to listen to than the very hyper guy at New Rockstars
I literally didn't notice thanos lying dead there while watching
Why do they feel the need to shit on Thanos so much. Seeing him being killed/defeated a lot really diminishes his character to me.
They stadded Thanos with his own sword in the same spot Thor did with stormbreaker
I think that the book of Vishanti was written to counter the DarkHold, and is also the reason why there was a copy of the DH in book form. They first copied the engravings into a book and then wrote another book containing a counter for every spell contained in the DH. The book of Vishanti was then hidden away to prevent evil sorcerers to study it and come up with spells that could invalidate the counter-spells contained in the Vishanti.
I’m pretty sure that their dr strange did most of that fight also. The Illuminati are basically undamaged while dr strange is the only one who has battle damage in that scene. The book of vishanti is also op af as the vishanti are some of the most powerful god trio. He could easily go against an infinity gauntlet with said artifact. Also 838 cap marvel got her powers drained and turned into a regular human, Wanda also got her powers from an infinity stone so she can do that. Honestly dr strange probably held thanos off and the Illuminati used the book to finally overpower and kill him.
I would like to see a what if episode of how they handled Thanos.
We’re talking about a universe that had Captain Marvel. Thanos never stood a chance w/o the reality and space stone in 838
Vision did not appear on Earth 838 because the Ultron program was successful leading to vision never being created.
I would've loved to have seen just how this fight went it seems very interesting
Wanda was draining Earth 838’s captain marvels power which is why the statue killed her in the end
Thanos has been jobbing outside of the MCU 616 universe.
This got me thinking about that draw full of Infinity Stones in Loki.
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Regardless of what the movie says, the MCU is not Earth 616, the comics are. Also the over 14 million (which also included the multiverse) battles with Thanos, Dr. Strange said they only won 1), so how did the Illuminati win? Also at the end of Spider Man NWH, Dr. Strange's spell made everybody forget Peter, but he's mentioned in Dr. Strange 2.
Spider-Man is mentioned but Peter isn’t he made people forget who Spider-Man was not really who spider man the costumed vigilante is. If that makes sense. 😂
Hope we get more info on universe 838. Very interesting place. I believe Captain Marvel of 838 was drained of her cosmic power by Wanda and so by the time the statue fell on her she was nothing but a human. And I would really like to know if that is Professor X from the Animated series and if that is the Captain Carter from the What If? series. I doubt they are but just curious.
Exactly it had me wanting a whole movie series about this universe
Pretty sure there are multiple captain carters so its probably not the one from what if
The more I keep hearing/seeing how Thanos have lost to certain characters the more less of a threat I see his is.
I mean without the stones he just a Titan
@@lostcapital2591 I mean in the comics even without the stones he still fucks people up hulk Thor Galactus etc etc
@@lostcapital2591 don’t forget he whooped iron man’s, captain america and thor’s asses all at once in endgame without the stones
@@lostcapital2591 without the stones he can't be affected by Scarlett witch , thor or hulk in the comics , so no
in the MCU Thanos is a clown unfortunately.
In the comics...it's something else. They destroyed the character in the mcu
Can't wait for the Battle of Xandar miniseries
The illuminate was also way too cocky when facing Wanda and ultimately this was the cause of their defeat!
It seemed kind of weird. The Illuminati were able to destroy Thanos without getting harmed, but were all killed after like three seconds after encountering Scarlet Witch. Sure, Scarlet is way more powerful than Thanos without all the stones, but he is still extremely strong and it just seems weird to me that thay could deal with Thanos this easily and die by Scarlet's hand so easily.
I think the way they were all handled was poorly done. They didn't even bother to give them a chance to show their true ability and I was very disappointed that they just all got taken down individually instead of a team, avengers endgame had better team ups than them.
I think only strange fought Thanos. There's a reason he was the only one damaged.
I think it's weird Dragon Ball power scaling. It's got the same energy as "Frieza's back as a cyborg, and suddenly Trunks shows up and kills him like it's nothing, something that the mightiest fighters couldn't do, and Goku barely did after getting Super Saiyan. Now look as these new enemies have Trunks running scared to show off how tough these new bad guys are." Here, this team beat Thanos with not a lot of sacrifice on there side. They're a super powerful team, now look at how powerful Wanda is now cause she practically blew thru them like it was nothing.
@ZAP GAMERZ they did use the book of vishanti + doctor strange had the dark hold too
I think the illuminati didn't even play a huge role in defeating thanos. It was all doctor strange with the book of vishanti or the darkhold cant remember which book he used but its one of them. That's why when the rest of the illuminati showed up in the battle they were hardly any battle scars or even worn out of battle. They were clean as hell maybe implying they didn't even battle thanos to begin with. It was all doctor strange. Doctor strange was the only one messed up in that fight while the illuminati were squeaky clean not a drop of blood or any cut.
I remember there was the question of if Danvers was stronger than Wanda. I think we have our answer. Of course, Maria may have responded differently to the power she was exposed to than Carol.
Stronger than Wanda but not Scarlet Witch
It was also Wanda boosted by the Darkhold.
Comics and movies are different lol. It was BrieLarson aka Cap SJW that think she herself is the strongest
@@brandonreed09 nope, the wanda in 838 has limited powers and can't do things as out 616 scarlet witch. when 616 possessed 838 wanda, our scarlet witch already knew her potential "AS A WANDA" that's why she won cause she knew already what her powers can do but as she was dreamwalking, she couldn't use her own powers(chaos magic) but instead, only her variant's power which is so much weaker than SW but the fact that wanda can still alter reality while being weak just means she's godly powerful even when not in scarlet witch form.
I'm guessing now , with the illuminati scene , explains how Thanos in infinity wars new of Tony Stark when they battle in Titan , I'm saying that because where else could he had see or know about Tony Stark. That's my thought about the situation of them ever knowing about each other in infinity war .
I love his yellow chair
I love how stupid they were when confronting Wanda.
I’m skeptical on the new Doctor Stranger using multiple infinity stones to kill their Thanos. There’s no way to know for sure but how would that be possible?
They didn't need to, they had the Book of Vishanti, the mcguffin that gives you whatever you need to destroy your enemy.
So glad we saw the Illuminati. I thought we'd see some version of Superior Iron Man, hence the Ultron drones. I would Love to see Captain Carter, Reed, Marvel and some version of Xavier
it’d be cool if they had an episode of what if about it. it could start with what went differently that led to the illuminati on titan and not the avengers/guardians
I find it pretty odd that Earth 838 Dr. Strange and the Illuminati kill Thanos and Black Bolt easily kills Dr. Strange without him putting up a fight because the Illuminati council sees Dr. Strange as a possible threat. But Earth 616 Dr. Strange is possibly the 2nd most powerful being after Scarlet Witch and Scarlet Witch easily kills Black Bolt with magic or warping reality which I think Earth 838 Dr. Strange would be capable of doing if he's that big of a threat.
he clearly sat there and let it happen
It says that Strange consented to die to account for destroying a whole universe.
Dr Strange let Bolt kill him, and he wasn’t using the book of Vishanti at the time. He could easily kill Wanda with Vishanti.
I think its more likely that Wanda took the other captain marvel's powers.Since we can assume that she has the same powers as 616, and the same origin,
No,she didn't take Captain Marvel power.Captain marvel simply lost focus and had less experience.Carol left earth because she didn't have any real connections on earth,so she fought countless war lords and cosmic threats while 838 version simply stayed on earth because of her daughter and illuminati.
@@youuglymess that makes more sense :D
A TV Show or a single movie of the Illuminati would be pretty cool
I still can't get over the fact that professor Xavier was in space with his tux on lmao 😂😂
A good job with this program. I did not read comics zs z kid. I'm almost 59. The only thing I know about Marvel and DC is what was on TV in my childhood. There is so much history and backstories because of the multi verse. Please explain. Who what and where all these numbered earth's and universes comprise of.
There’s literally too many to say in a comment and would take days to type all the different Earth designations and what heroes are in them. My favourite universe is Earth 2149 which is the marvel zombies universe. Such a good series of comics. Ash from the evil dead franchise also makes a appearance in that universe (and another variant of his) which is amusing as they kind of reference him in multiverse of madness.
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