America Is A Christian Nation
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2019
- The Argument: The United States of America is and was founded as a Christian nation; whether by law, in culture, or through inspiration when the Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution.
The Counter-Argument: The United States of America is not Christian by law, it does have a Christian culture, and its founding was partly inspired by Christianity.
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4:34 As a historian, thank you.
Dad I love you
The constitution was not created to give the federal government more power. I dont know why you would agree with this as a 'historian.'
Press X to doubt, Tigerstar is a genius hands down.
@@thejakyl1369 no hes saying that people usually forget to mention the articles of confederation
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Have you heard the tale of darth plaguis the wise?
@@evilla123456789
I don't expect that you would have. It's not a story that the Jedi would tell...
Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength, I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
The force shall set me free
There is no peace
There is anger
There is no fear
There is power
There is no death
There is immortality
There is no weakness
There is the dark side
You are a bold one
Mum, that's not a picture of Jesus.
I appreciate you remaking this in the way that you did. It carries so much more weight now, with the inclusion of cultural arguments and referring to multiple instances of history. I thought the first one was lackluster but this is a much better improvement. You probably won't read this, but if you do end up doing so, I would like to say I admire your constant quest for intellectual honesty.
Thank you for doing what you do, you've helped me and I'm sure many others become more knowledgeable, but also more open minded people.
I know when you get bombarded with hate comments it feels awful, but dont forget you have many supporters behind you as well, who despite disagreeing with you a lot of times, also respect you greatly.
This was such a pain to write, but if you end up reading this, it'll have been worth it.
You made my eyes wet.
It's definitely worth exploring the Native American influence on our nation's founding as well. Many ideals are shared and even some symbolism is directly "borrowed" from North East tribes.
@@jamesn3122 very true. It's nice to not look over things like that.
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You missed an important point: President John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, containing the declaration: 'The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.' That was ratified by the United States Senate without debate unanimously in 1797.
If John Adams said otherwise would that make the statement true?
Austin Robinson I think it’s more the fact that it wasn’t debated, meaning no one at the time really disagreed, and this was very close to the founding of the country, so it’s pretty safe to say that the US was not originally founded on Christianity
@@austinrobinson7338 The point is it was universally recognized by the founders, the politicians, the lawmakers that created and ran the country that it was a secular nation. There was nothing ambiguous about it, no religion was the basis of the nation nor was any allowed to influence or control it. Theocrats like O'Reilly , Palin, Bush and Trump flat out lie.
@Austin Robinson yes, but he didn't, end of the story
@@davidosbourne219 i was never argueing for a side, i was asking a question
As a pastor's son, I've had to deal with this argument before with my parents. Thank you for putting it together more elegantly than I could.
Also, I don't swear, but I know all the words.
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Truth is stranger than fiction, Judgy-wudgy!
@@whenthemusicsover6028 Gawd brest americun
Vernacular? That's a Derby!!!
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I love how he is now diving deep into the question rather than simply accessing the question from a 'technical' standpoint.
@ no shit, he needs money lmao. I thought it was a good video.
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Its funny how the 1st commandment contradicts the 1st Amendment.
Very true
@@angeliparraguirre7329 Well it doesnt, if i am a christian it applies to me if i am not it doesnt,
@Austin Martín Hernandez The first amendment is endorsing religious freedom while the first commandment is restricting it
@@cjishere97 I wouldn't say the first commandment is restricting religious freedom, as the commandments would only apply to followers of the religion in the first place
Wait nvm I just discovered the Jews did in fact believe the commandments should apply to even non-Jews lol you are correct
Re-upload? Loved the first one!
Edit: think it's a remake
Nathan it seems to be different.
cool
Reupload?
what's changed?
@@zk2399 oh yeah yeah
America is a Christian nation:
Well yes but actually no.
@@user-dv5yg7ob8l 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock."
Mostly yes though
@Kwee Mana its not all doom and gloom for all non democrats
@Luigina Trotta mate I think there is a grammactical error you wrote religion over your own name.
Nope, not anymore oof
Ahhhh. Relatively true. The best kind of true.
No no no the best kind of true is technical true
Trueish
Truth by omission.
Truth by technicality is better
I wish more people understood the concept of relativity.
May I just say:
"Christian" and "Judeo-Christian" are 2 very separate things
Right, and it's easy to get muddied up because many of the people making the argument "America is a Christian nation" intermix these terms sometimes.
Christian - the religion of Christ worshipers, the legal status of being a Christian nation, etc
Judeo-Christian - almost always referring to a specific set of moral and ethical values derived from Judaism and Christianity.
@@vilheim9508 very contrary values
@@vilheim9508 and of both have conflicted ethical values
Judeo christian is a term only used by conservative christians to include Jews in their ideas. They are not real.
@@danido9938 Oh yeah, and also when the word "Christian" is used to describe America it's usually Protestant.
Thank for make me big think
Very true big facts
These comments say it all and no wonder why you would believe this video listen to how dumb you people talk. I mean. This channel not only has been classified as left wing propaganda but it’s top 3 for the biggest anti American channels on UA-cam and that’s a fact whether you like it or not isn’t going to change that. So commenting back at me saying “no- blah blah blah” won’t change what I said to be true. Oh btw the first 2 anti American channels are old Islamic terrorist channels. This one is the first real channel that is that of the anti Americans
@@gbangerlove alright. So its propoganda? Prove it.
Make a logical argument that disproves any facts he says
Facts backed up by them actually happening in reality prove it. That’s as logical as anyone can get there bud. You can’t get more logical then factual reality.
@@gbangerlove you're mumbling a bit. You can't mumble through text but what your saying is word salad
You could power the lights of Fox's studio with the energy generated from Jefferson spinning in his grave.
This channel in a nutshell:
Exactly 10 minute video
No mid-roll ads
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Thanks for remaking this one, was always one of my favorites
Well done. This is a substantial improvement over the original. I'm particularly glad that you brought it full circle and pointed out the changes in the 50s that people today don't seem to appreciate.
The main problem is that people think we should base our opinions on what the founders intended. We need to think for ourselves.
Exactly, I can name a few things our founding fathers did that wouldn’t be acceptable today. For instance, they owned slaves.
Exactly, but also.. they didn't even necessarily agree with each other either.
@@shadedepeche2556 And they didn’t let women vote.
@@Gandhi_Physique Oh yes 100%. Their views were radically different. I’d argue as much as in today’s political climate.
It was designed to protect the rights of me from the majority.
This is a wonderful counter argument, better than any I've seen on this topic. I really like how you split the definition in three so as to remove ambiguity. I'm excited for your next argument.
dude your content is great. very logical, informative, succinct, and just overall very enjoyable. Keep up the constant good work
We really should change the motto back to e pluribus unum, it fit the country so much better, and the use of Latin calls back to the Ancient Greek influences in our governmental system
It really was a better motto.
You mean the Roman influences on America's government right? America resembles the Roman Republic far more than Athenian democracy or Spartan oligarchy. Although, that isn't to say that America is nor should be like the Roman Republic which had several fundamental issues.
James Tang yeah, that’s what I meant, I’m not too big on history
Having a Latin phrase be the motto for a modern day country is a bad idea imo. I will agree that our current one isn't great either.
Bryce Rothschadl
Yeah but like Latin is cool and shit. LET US HAVE SOMETHING COOL DAMNIT!
When people argue that the founding father's were christian, they always omit the founding fathers who were deists.
They also like to pull quotes where they mentioned God, but fail to actually pull the quotes where they talk about God. As the God they end up talking about looks VERY VERY different from the God that the modern Fundamentalist Christian talks about.
Jefferson actually went so far as to publish a version of the Bible with all of the supernatural and illogical events taken out. It was a slim book and was used to swear members into congress and the presidency for many generations.
If you need it put any more simply:
1 commandment: Ye shall have no other gods before me
1 amendment: ye shall be free to worship any god ye please.
Can’t get more unchristian than that. That’s what made america great: Secularism.
Our founding fathers would be horrified by the amount of fundamentalism in our country today. They would never have imagined we would turn away from the philosophy of science and embrace irrational fundamentalism.
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they also like to quote invented deathbed quotes about famous people like ”Darwin said that he believed in God in his deathbed and said that he was sorry for inventing evolution”. I’ve heard that BS many times, it never works
@@isidoreaerys8745 Also, if Jesus Christ were to find out what has become of his small fisher club he'd be turning in his grave.
Just discovered your channel. This video is so well researched, written and produced that I thought I'd take the time to say thank you. Even though I am a British citizen this video has taught me so much about adding meaning to the meaningless so you can truly argue against blanket statements.
Would love to see someone argue against this video.
It's always a great day when I see one of your videos pop up. Keep up the good work man! Thanks for keeping my brain working.
Thank you for this remake! I don't know if you saw my comment to the original but most of the problems I had with it were addressed well in this one.
Just found you, watched 5 of your vids, immediately hooked. Love your content!
Good stuff huh? 😙
@@bigtoblerone8446 lol kissy face 😚
"The USA is a Christian nation"
"It's really not though."
@Vj rk Evidently god doesn't give a sense of spelling.
The US Is absolutely a Christian nation
@@cillian9029
In pretty much every sense. It was built upon Christian principles of dignity, liberty & free will of the individual. Free will is a central (& essential), fundamental Christian principle. Take a look at the 3 principles of the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness-
These are all Christian principles. The US Constitution was written in a way to put the power into the hands of the people, (of whoms, hearts and minds would evolve over time); then, the demands of equality could be implemented and guaranteed by Constitutional law, when enough of US citizens hearts and minds had changed and, they were ready, willing and able to demand these equalities upon Federal and state laws. This is precisely what Christs mission was. Not to force anything upon anyone, but rather, to plant the seeds and allow the hearts and minds of the people to change over time. America is rampant with great opportunities. Tho, with great opportunities comes great temptations. Without great opportunities and great temptations, there is no Christianity. This list goes on and on, really.
@@cillian9029
How so?
Not institutionally, but Christianity is definitely preferred above other religions. Take the nativity scene at the Capitol for example. They say that since it’s not advocating Christianity it’s not unconstitutional yet if they put up say a Muslim moon symbol it would clearly be deemed unconstitutional. Same about that cross monument they put up to honour Christian fallen soldiers. Clearly there is not a monument for say Hindu or Buddhist followers. I’m just saying American government is definitely biased about Christianity.
I watched your “Jack didn’t have to die” video and was instantly hooked.
I miss this channel so much. I wish you'd come back and make more arguments. You were the best guy for making arguments on the internet.
dude I love your vids, pls make more!
i loved this redo of this video
Dude, your channel is amazing keep making amazing vids!
This video is a great return to form! Great job on this one. :)
I love how unbiased and informative your videos are. Keep it up!
I liked the refresh you put out on this subject. The last argument for is kind of a doozy since it is _relative_ . With time someone could get a percentage of what could be considered Christian on all of the documents that set the foundation for the United States. But the question of "How much is needed for X to be true?" arises and you get a deadlock. Then again, a lot of laws have definitely been inspired on Christian teachings. Most notably those surrounding marriage and homosexuality. But then we reach _another_ deadlock since those laws have been either dropped or reframed to be more or entirely secular. To be honest, I think we could call the last argument an unfalsifiable argument. You can't debunk it since there is some truth to it. But you can't confirm it since it circumstance eventually comes along to contradict it. Although I wonder, if you presented the last argument as a _statement_ , would that be allowed to fly? If so, can/should you contest seeing as there is no real way to win? If not, why?
The reason he originally made an unfalsifiable argument is because based on the laws of logic that’s really all he needed as he was not making a claim, he was refuting a claim thus he did not have the burden of proof.
This one is supposedly more “convincing”
Also just because a state or local government makes something a law doesnt mean it's in line with what the founders would have wanted. They basically wanted to leave a lot of things to be dealt with locally and then courts could step in when a dispute arises.
Amazing summary of the argument that really gets into a depth you don't often hear about this subject.
Love the new content, it feels a lot more productive to come to our own conclusions. Keep it up!
As an atheist in the bible belt I constantly had to prove why they were wrong.
Freedom of religion means all religions Not just your own.
Including no religion at all!
been awhile since I watched the first one but this is excellent and I really appreciate asking the question "what does that even mean" at the start and going on from there.
I love the background music you got from 'The Patriot'.
I was expecting a weird conservative rant but this was an actual informed video essay. I like it
"they're quite clear" - someone who surely hasn't read them
(I haven't either)
Beautiful piece, thank you for reuploading.
I like how you didn't completely refute everything and looked at everything with logic rather than opinionated punditry like your 2018 videos
Just like your old videos. Glad to have you back man
7:02 "turn the other cheek" doesn't mean you can't protect yourself and bear arms. Look at the history of Christianity. It was Christ emphasising the need to forgive even your enemies.
Turn the other cheek is widely miss understood. Hitting right hand to right cheek is a back hand and used on slaves or others of lower status. Turning the cheek to be hit open handed (right hand to left cheek) was a way of demanding respect and equality even if it hurt. It really was not anti violent at all...
Yeah, Jesus loved carrying weapons, especially advanced ones designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. Couldn't get enough.
@@Bangandthedirtisgone what is your point exactly?
wow I didn't know how dumb the early comments were lol
Thank you for redoing this one, the original didn't have anything about culture, but now you fixed it.
This new version hits it home! BRAVO! Our founding fathers would have been pleased.
Again?
Edit: Oh okay, not the same as before.
To be fair i also thought it was just a re-upload
Catholic here. No America is not. What people seem to mean is that America was a Protestant nation which is very questionable. Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense yet was also a Deist and wrote “The Age of Reason” denouncing Christianity. I think it was founded on Western values which is heavy influenced by Judaism and Christianity. But then again every Western country is.
Exactly. It's founded on Western values, but it's not legally Christian.
@@LordVader1094 it was culturally christian until pretty recently
@@ahvin4764 It still is, mate.
Why say you are catholic? It doesn't make your argument better or worse. It's like a slight appeal to authority. I am tired of people saying "I am of other side but I support this side".
Murrax9 no, it was founded on secular principles and ideals, it has nothing to die with that immoral religion you call Christianity
THIS is exactly what I subscribed for!
I continue to enjoy this channel.
Bruh, they're talking about the Almighty ZEUS.
NUFF SAID.
PragerU is such a joke.
I always watch their political and religious videos with a grain of salt, but other topics like history and economy are decent.
@@fabiendegroot1264 maybe not about the american civil war where they say it wasnt about slavery, when many states stated slavery in there rebutal of the union taking away their rights, to own slaves
They're funded by two fracking billionaires, who simultaneously fund the religious right, so of course it's a joke.
@@fabiendegroot1264 Aren't "history and economy" also political topics though?
@@kokaboba I cant even tell what you're advocating for. You're all over the place; it's hard to tell if you're being ironic or not.
You are the physical embodiment of fair, balanced and rational. I thank you.
I liked your original video, but this feels much sharper. Nice work.
Most of the founding fathers were in a denomination that doesn't even exist anymore. yet some how the politicians who use religion for appeal always act like the founding fathers agree with what they specifically said
Deism wasnt a denomination of Christianity. Thomas paine was hated by Christians and atheists
@@brialapoint2608doesn't take away from my point at all
i have to say, though i do think you covered most of the important points, i think you missed an important one: much of the modern cultural religious reference you mention has absolutely nothing to do with the founding. you don't need to go into detail about McCarthyism or Civil War propaganda, but i think it would be warranted to at least touch on the fact that "In God We Trust" was nowhere in the official government lexicon until nearly 100 years after the founding, and only became the US motto under Eisenhower
In God We Trust was on coins much earlier than paper money. I think it originates in the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner.
BEST ending to a video ever!!! Oh, man! That episode of Three Stooges is downright hilarious!!! Disorder in The Court.
Just watched your old version of this yesterday. While it was good, this is a better version, because it addresses the argument in a broader form, focusing on more than just our secular government. You plan on putting your old unmarked videos in a playlist?
Without God, there could be no objective morality.
Without God, there could be no logic.
Its been too long since i have tasted such logic. Sometimes it feels like a desert out here so i am happy that there are oases like you to keep me from going brain dead.
for some reason, i just now learned that "e pluribus unum" was the old motto, and im disappointed it was changed duo to how well it fit
"E Pluribius Unum" was also fitting, because The US Government is/was loosely based on European style Democracy and more on the Roman style of Government with Senates, popularized at the time by Montesque.
This video is a lot better than the old one.
May God keep Blessing America👍
Yay
Excellent remake, there's a lot more insight on this one.
Spot on! Great vid
I like how this channel isn't left or right, but just shoots on politicians of every side
Exactly, it gives you both sides, and provides facts to support each side, and let's you draw an opinion. While still managing to unbiasedly debunk and disprove arguments.
yet he spouts liberal propaganda like in this video
@@thesecond4767 sure buddy
@@thesecond4767 do tell me what was propaganda in this video, all of the information was factual and was relevant and sensical when used to support the thesis. So what information was propaganda? What wasn't true?
As it should be.
Proud 😄 to say I am Christian 😊❤️👍🙏
Glad to hear it's working out for you! Goodluck man!
its not something to be proud of but whatever rocks your boat.
Love the video, but I do have one question (more of a comment).
It seems to me that the argument “America is a Christian Nation,” when faced with these sort of criticisms, can just me phrased as “America *IS* a Christian nation, whether or not it was in the past.” In that while they can’t argue that the founding fathers intended it, they can claim legal support (as mentioned with the Pledge of Allegiance and currency changes at the end), cultural support (granted from the onset), and support from government leadership, a majority of whom do swear on a Bible and believe in Christianity.
I’m definitely interested to hear some responses to this. I’m not a Christian, so I guess I have some stake in being proven wrong, lest I challenge my own worldview.
7:02 He says the "Freedom to Bear Arms" undermines "Turn the other cheek". "Freedom to Bear Arms" is there to let you defend your self among other things, "Turn the other cheek" is not there to let your self be kill by another person or thing.
I hate PragerU.
@Marshall Kinnaird Whatever you say. I guess if I said I hated hitler, you'd say I'm jealous because he was more popular than me.
Marshall Kinnaird
Everyone who says anything is just jealous that they aren’t something else.
But if everyone is wrong because everyone isn’t everything, then how can there by truth? The only solution is a divine objective truth upon which we all reference. Only God, who is all, can be jealous of nothing because He is everything.
You are ultimately arguing that knowledge can only come from God, or some other objective entity, and all human experience and knowledge is inherently false. The pursuit of knowledge is folly and distributing knowledge is heresy. Ignorance is the only virtue.
@@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 Man, this is why I hate prageru, because they're constantly talking about god every time their advertisements appear. I honestly don't care. I just want to live my life, not deal with all this religious junk.
@@godlyvex5543
I was being sarcastic, I agree with you. Anything can be used as an argument for anything, there's an old saying "authority has a nose of wax", which means any authoritative writing (Plato, the Bible, the Constitution) can be construed to argue in favor of any opinion.
@Matthew Burns You mean horrendously dishonest and incorrect
Nani?!
Ah, I see the issue now, UA-cam saw the money I gave to you in the Superchats and thought "Hm, I know, let's turn of his notifications for this channel. He dropped money on them, that means he clearly didn't want to stay up to date with new videos."
Seriously though, what a remake, the elegance, the style of it. I said it once and I'll say it again. This is the only channel on UA-cam I'll spend money on, because I genuinely enjoy listing to the format and takedown of quality arguments/counter-arguments.
I haven't yet found a video from you that I disliked, or disagreed with, but I'm certainty hoping for a day I may tastefully disagree with you.
I dunno how to end this comment, other than to make a reference to Counterargumentarianisim.
I really like the pictures between (minute: second) 7:10-7:24. Is it possible for you to provide the sources of those images?
You know which nation is both legally, culturally and foundationally a Christian nation? The Hellenic Republic/Greece.
And FYI it's the only legally Christian nation there is, and the only one with a cross on top of its flag. There are many legally Muslim nations with a crescent on top of the flag, but no other Christian ones it seems.
@no oh yeah you're right, I should specify Orthodox Christian. But still, Greece could also be considered the only legally Christian republic. Also, the Vatican isn't really a nation, it's a state. It belongs to the Italian nation. So I'm technically not wrong but what you say is kinda correct.
What about the Nordic countries?
BTW the Crescent and Star symbols is actually a Turkic symbol that became associated with Islamic countries in the 19th century because of the association with the Ottoman Empire.
@@jascrandom9855 no no, not on top of the flag, on top of the flag pole. Also, the crescent and star, I don't know it it was Turkish as well, but it was the ensign of Constantinople even before its conquest.
@@georgios_5342 What about the Swiss flag?
@@Smitology Im not talking about the flag itself, I meant the flag pole
I am glad the 10 commandments are not our laws. ‘In god we trust’ was added in 1956 previously following ‘under god’ in our shitty theme song.
@Marshall Kinnaird Yes, it's almost like a working society needs more than 10 laws.
Thank you. An important counter argument for those of us in the US.
Great video!
The US is a Breatharian country
6:51 "Does it matter if the first amendment undermines the first commandment? Does it matter if the second amendment undermines the Sermon on the Mound?"
Woah, that's a pretty weird thing to say. It comes from a frame of mind assuming that Christianity seeks to be a theocracy that enforces it's tenants on others, but it doesn't. Except for when the Catholic Church enforced heresy with death, which was not biblical, and has sense been reformed because the people started reading the Bible thanks to the printing press, Christians do not believe in using the state to stop people from speaking heresy. The suppression of free speech is not commanded. There was a problem with states having official state religions being different sects of Christianity and banishing people for heresy, and that was a problem, but freedom of speech in no way undermines the first commandment. Christianity is big on free will.
The freedom to own a gun has to do with self-defense and specifically rebelling against a tyrannical government. The founding fathers knew that tyrannical governments like to ban weapons so the people can't rebel. This is no way requires a person to bear arms, only restricts the governments ability to restrict it. Not all Christians believe that Jesus commanded completely pacifism. Jesus also said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. Christian pacifism follows a line from Tolstoy reading Jesus and then corresponding with Gandhi, and Gandhi said that people should bear arms and choose not to use them, because that shows a conscience decision to be a pacifist while an unarmed person is just viewed as weak. But regardless, there are differing opinions and all people should be free to use weapons in defense or to be pacifist as they see fit. The Amish are pacifists and it was against their religion to fight in war, and they were being oppressed when they were being drafted, but they refused to comply and the government gave in and created the conscientious objector exemption. If the government were to force people to bear arms that would be against the sermon on the mound, according to some people's interpretation, but that is not what the second amendment does.
So I have to wonder what you're motivation was in slipping that bad argument in there for. If you would show more than the super short clip of someone saying that The United States is a Christian nation you would see that their argument isn't about it being a theocracy at all. You have to twist yourself in knots to pretend not to understand what the argument is so that you can set up a straw man. In fact some of those very people that you showed saying it have also talked about how we are a nation influenced by enlightenment thinking, which many believe to be influenced heavily by the teachings of Jesus. Sure, enlightenment values are more individualistic, and about reason instead of faith, but they're not really at odds with each other. You seem to have this strange image of Christianity as Old Testament based instead of New Testament aka Jesus based. Christians aren't Jews, they are Christians, they follow Jesus not Moses. The OT is just in there as context, they don't follow it. Jesus told people not to use violence to enforce rules, in direct contradiction to Moses, and when the people had the opportunity to read the words of Jesus in their own language, that's what they did. The Enlightenment can be seen is going back to Jesus and a rejection of the Catholic Church's dogma which ignored Jesus at times.
The White House isn't a Greek building because it's not built in Greece, it was built with Greek influence. West Side Story is not a Shakespeare musical because it wasn't written by Shakespeare, but the story was influenced by Shakespeare. The founding fathers were Christians, the vast majority of the people were Christian and the majority still identify as Christian. If we were to become a predominantly atheist people, and found a colony on the moon we could say that the United State of the Moon is influenced by Christianity while not being a Christian nation. Even in that case it would be 100% correct to say that the United State of the Moon was influenced by Christianity.
I notice that my previous comment is gone, you changed the video to make it a little more charitable, but it's still rather illogical. I know that you've quit making videos, but it still disappoints me to see this after your 12 angry men videos.
This comment is exactly what I was looking for. Is be lying if I said the misinterpretation of "turn the other cheek " didn't make me a little upset. The fact that he turned a verse telling people not to he vengeful into an argument against the second amendment was annoying.
@@Maractus87 Yes, it's a serious stretch to say that the government should use force against people for merely owning guns. A government where most of the law enforcers are Christians, if they were seriously about the teachings of Jesus, would actually refuse to arrest peaceful people, including peaceful people who just own guns. And anybody who argues in favor of gun control after seeing what is happening in Australia should be laughed out of polite society.
But doesn't the First Commandment explicitly state, "thou shalt have no other gods before me," while the First Amendment allows other gods, though, thus the latter undermining the former? Even if the Christians believe that the Old Testament laws no longer apply, to allow the First Amendment would be to undermine their belief in a monotheistic god, to admit that there may be other gods--which is what the First Commandment is there to guard against (as the Christian apostle Paul said, "all Scripture is... profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness").
In this line of reasoning, isn't it also reasonable to conclude that Christianity enforces its own tenants onto others? Its claim as the one and only truth certainly makes the case. That claim makes it into an objective measure, its subjective tenants into truths that others *must* follow because it is the "truth."
Which also makes the argument that "Christianity was enforced by the state because of the Catholic Church, not commandment," also problematic. "Let he who speaks any other doctrine be accursed," after all.
@@venom-nb8ek If we were Jews who strictly followed the teachings of Moses, including murdering heretics, then yes the 1st amendment would contradict that. But Jesus taught that we should be concerned with ourselves, and our fellow Christians, and not to use violence, coercion or force to make others conform to our religion.
Just because we know the truth, doesn't mean that we feel it's right to use the government to force others to also see the truth of Jesus. An individual, or a large majority, can know that something is true and still tolerate the minority that believes otherwise. Tolerating other religions, and allowing other regions, does not undermine our beliefs in the slightest.
Our Mesiah was murdured by a government for the crime of heresy. We aren't big criminalizing heresy. But that doesn't mean we accept other beliefs to be true.
And believing that something is objectively true is not the same as enforcing it upon others. There's a big difference between believing and saying that something is definitely true and using violence (individually or by the government) to make others pretend to agree with you. And saying that someone is cursed for speaking heresy is a lot different from using violence to criminalize heresy. Christians believe in allowing people the free will to sin.
I'm genuinely curious, how old are you and where are you from?
@@MoralGovernment "Tolerating other religions, and allowing other religions, does not undermine our beliefs in the slightest."
It is saying to the one true God, "Well, Lord, I know that only you are sovereign, that you are the only God... Buuuuuut--" This allowance of other religions directly contradicts Christian monotheism. It admits that there may be other gods before God, thus not only being problematic in Old Testament standards, but also for New Testament doctrine. At best, to Christians, it is throwing their hands up and saying, "alright, fine, you and your idols have a space." At worst, it is against the Christian God. Thus, it is we cab conclude that CA's argument is reasonable, not one made in bad faith.
Besides, Christians are supposed to be bearers and spreaders of the "truth." How can they let anything but the truth spring up among souls needing saving?
Wait why am I having a sense of deja vu here ,is this a reupload of an older video or a remake , because if my memory serves me right it only dismantled the legal argument.
One flaw I noticed was the “In God We Trust” first being placed on currency.
To my understanding, first instances of the phrase placed on currency was during the Civil War. There wasn’t a legal precedent, but rather used as a means to give hope to those suffering through the brutal conflict. It wasn’t on all currency or even the majority, but a few rather a few less common notes.
America was founded as an Aztec nation
We all know that
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It's too late for this shit, Im watching tomorrow.
Where do you live where it's too late to watch a counter arguments vid? Such a place should never exist!
@@Halcypian It called night time dumbass.
Man, it's 02:30 am over here and I'm watching carefully. Get you act together! (not saying I'm superior, just more dutiful...)
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I live in the UK where it was nearly 1:00 AM when this was uploaded.
I can not find the phrase in the year of our Lord is the English translation of Anno Domini or its' typically abbreviated A.D. in the Declaration of Independence as the video claims, Did I miss something ?
As a Christian I really appreciate the accuracy and intellectual honesty in this. It seems that the person who made this is not religious, but he didn't resort to confirmation bias to get an easy "win".
I don't disagree with anything here except the shallow jab about "right to bear arms" and "right to worship".
That's just not a good argument for it not being Christian, even if that is true.
Why does it matter what our founders thought!!! Shouldn’t we be caring about what we believe now
Because they were smart people, it's (in part) their framework that allowed America to become what it is today (the most powerful nation to ever exist on the face of the earth). What that frame work does is protect individual rights, your right to believe what you believe now, and your right to tell everyone all about it. The reason this might be more important than what you believe now is that if you believe that framework should be changed and those protections removed, your right to say and do what you believe is right and good only exists as long as those who agree with you hold power.
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I'd argue that, relatively speaking, other nations were more powerful nations in their respective primes than the US is currently/was at its own. I'd struggle to decide which current superpower has the most power to be honest.
Besides analyzing what the founding fathers did and wrote, we have no clue what they would truly think of anything. Any Constitutional Originalist who claims to speak on behalf of them is projecting their own political and cultural views on the founders, and should rightfully be ignored.
@@Crispman_777 honestly the USA is the most powerful nation by far, more military spending than any other by a mile, it only seams they dont because they dont really have anyone to fight because allot of the world is slowly progressing out of the misery that they have been in towards democracy and capitalism
Because evangelicals always bring up the founders when they try to argue their case(America being a Christian nation).
I live in Texas and all of my neighbors would disagree with this video
That sucks man...
Thats why i left Texas. They dont respect non believers. I didn't feel right there
wow! totally remade from the ground-up :0
And Counter Arguments new style! Woo!
Almost as if the founding fathers knew what they were doing.
The people who settled and created this country were largely Christian. The vast majority of people in this country identify as Christian. But the government is secular. So the nation is indeed Christian, but it is governed by a secular constitution.
Very cool remake, I like it
This is brilliant!
Flying Spaghetti Monster, where you at?
Here is my opinion on religion and its alleged societal benefits. Our society is rapidly evolving and religion was simply one of those growing pains that we needed in order to evolve. Prior to the invention of the scientific method, we needed answers about things. The fear of the unknown caused people to need answers to what was going on and religion beautifully answered all those questions. Religion gave people peace about that fear of the unknown and allowed them to put aside those fears and function normally in our society. These fairy tales ( and we know for a fact that most religions are fairy tales as there are thousands of religions in the world www.reference.com/world-view/many-religions-world-8f3af083e8592895 and every religion teaches that every other religion is wrong ), were neccessary for our primitive society to reach the level that we have now. We are still a very young species and this fiction was neccessary to reach the next level. Fortunately, even though we are still a very young species, we have now reached a point where we can put aside these childish ideas and explore truth instead of having to accept comfortable lies.
And then i run into atheist saying they know everything about Christianity...for every one of those there is 20 idiots who seriously belive that other adult people would live their whole lives for a fairy tale...how egoistic and delusional can you be!? For fuck sake
Whenever I see Counter Arguments, I click ASAP!
As a christian you don't know how many problems i have telling brothers and sisters this. They ask "y?". I just dont want to go back to the dark ages of church and state...