Props to Eric that he also gives a platform to people like Suny whose opinions obviously differ a lot from his own, and lets them speak freely. That is what good media should strive for.
Prof. Suny is definitely one of those talented people capable enough to talk rational as well as nonsensical points simultaneously in a single interview. That's a skill! 💪 Kudos
By international criminal law it was a clear case of Genocide, Genocide doesn't have to include mass killing, inflicting serious mental harm to a group of people constitutes to Genocide. Please don't talk about law if u don't have an education in it!
Just about halfway through and I dont think I can listen any more to his nonsense. First, he claims that he misses the Soviet union, one of the most evil empires. Then he says what happened in Artsakh wasn't genocide but gaza is, when azeris have repeatedly stated their intentions to drive Armenians out, that we are not native, etc, while Israelis officials have never made such claims about Palestinians. Its as if he thinks that genocide is defined by the number of people killed rather than the intention.
If anyone that was born or lives in the West, and says I missed Soviet Union needs to be exposed as to who he is serving. I suggest doing a research about the kgb and the Armenian diaspora. You will have a better understanding as to who Suny and this fake patriots in the west are.
And what's the venue that first came to his mind for a Russian-Ukrainian peace process? Istanbul of course! Third-class historian, fifth-class political analyst.
@@Archuk81Suny is a paid shill pretending to be a leftist. He supported Artsakh's self-determination vocally in the 70s (when it would incite violence in the Soviet Union) and then publicly stated we should return it in the late 90s (when America's foreign policy goals shifted). His writings about the Armenian Genocide are straightup denialist propaganda too.
Really outrageous interview. It is a case study for learning why Armenia is unable to have a national narrative to save itself. If this guy is an Armenian intellectual then Armenia does not need any enemies.
In the early stages of the Artsakh liberation struggle Ronald made some sort of statement to the effect of “Azeri flag should fly in Stepanakert.” He barely got out of there in one piece. His current in-laws are from Turkey.
@@samuelgurgen3436 Provide sources or it didn't happen. Enough of the stupid Armenian gossip. I swear our people are like petty women sometimes. He said she said they said. Enough of that shit! Give us the receipts, or it didn't happen. Innocent until proven guilty.
@@faigmalikov8117 in what sense is it sensible? Making shocking statements? He’s a historian from what I understand. He should not be taking the position of a speaker on behalf of others, or leadership in political analysis, however.
The Genocide started in Sumagait, Baku and the rest of the Artsakh over the years. The turks are professional when it comes to Genocide. They know how to start from one city to another, and then a village until everybody is gone. You are one of those when it comes to Armenian life, you feel uncomfortable to talk about Justice. You loved soviet union? Really? The same soviet that killed all our intellectuals just because they feel like it? Who are you? If your father or grandfather was send to Siberia for his opinion, maybe you could feel different. We haven't forgotten how nasty and brutal they were and they continue to be.
@@dennydritic2628 Having traveled in the USSR from 1967 through 1973 and having friends there in Soviet Armenia (one trip was with Ron) I will say that I found the people very nationalistic (and they loved Americans)
@@shaqueha.5017 .. Discussing Justice is one thing , a purely personal , or by limited thought group , BUT, thinking about Reality and taking actions a totally different matter , Reality mandates and predates , with vengeance , against Justice.. unless you are US gov. Justice remains notes in history , perhaps , while Future to a nation , albeit one with many challenges, determined by how the Nation Reasons , Dares and Works against the challenges towards a future rather than being pulled and hinged into history ..
All i hear is you shounting " I AM A VICTIM" this mindset is poison. Two Atombombs were dropped on Japan, yet i never hear them cry about it and look what they achieved. When you hear of Armenia the first thing that comes to mind is the Genocide and that is not good for a proud Nation.
Would have preferred a political analyst over a historian , in particular to the type of questions raised and the critical circumstances the nation is at . As pointed out more than once , historian about past , and somewhat present , but mainly about “what” were the events , a narrative subjective discussion, vs objective analytical and forward reasoning …
мало кто из людей старого поколения может трезво оценивать современные реалии я, вообще, считаю, что надо спокойно относиться к тому, что даже титулованный какой-либо историк или же политолог тем более - должны понять, что их время ушло, если они начинают ностальгировать по тому, что было и уже его нет советов нет уже и говорить о том, что я скучаю по тому времени- это старческий бред, который не предполагает в дальнейшем относиться к разговору с интересом
it is dangerous to misjudge russia. her big existence in history n her masive potential. the turks and the magyars have been taking very careful approach, and works hard to find middle ground based on intertional law. I hope armenia does not make a big strategic mistake.
@@robertb2932 This is what stuck in my mind: He likes pashick and is amazed how he got elected even after loosing the war. And he also said Armenia should make concessions to azer. Blah blah blah. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
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Props to Eric that he also gives a platform to people like Suny whose opinions obviously differ a lot from his own, and lets them speak freely. That is what good media should strive for.
Impressive professor. Very thorough analysis.
Prof. Suny is definitely one of those talented people capable enough to talk rational as well as nonsensical points simultaneously in a single interview. That's a skill! 💪 Kudos
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14:20 You don’t believe it’s a genocide, Professor Suni? Where will Artsakhsis now propagate their culture? You’re a professor?
He's a leftist professor. He also believes what Turks did to Christians, Americans did to Indians?!
By international criminal law it was a clear case of Genocide, Genocide doesn't have to include mass killing, inflicting serious mental harm to a group of people constitutes to Genocide. Please don't talk about law if u don't have an education in it!
Good point.
That was one of your top five guests that wasn't a politician very good interview I was enlightened I appreciate it.
Just about halfway through and I dont think I can listen any more to his nonsense. First, he claims that he misses the Soviet union, one of the most evil empires. Then he says what happened in Artsakh wasn't genocide but gaza is, when azeris have repeatedly stated their intentions to drive Armenians out, that we are not native, etc, while Israelis officials have never made such claims about Palestinians. Its as if he thinks that genocide is defined by the number of people killed rather than the intention.
If anyone that was born or lives in the West, and says I missed Soviet Union needs to be exposed as to who he is serving. I suggest doing a research about the kgb and the Armenian diaspora. You will have a better understanding as to who Suny and this fake patriots in the west are.
And what's the venue that first came to his mind for a Russian-Ukrainian peace process? Istanbul of course!
Third-class historian, fifth-class political analyst.
@@Archuk81Suny is a paid shill pretending to be a leftist. He supported Artsakh's self-determination vocally in the 70s (when it would incite violence in the Soviet Union) and then publicly stated we should return it in the late 90s (when America's foreign policy goals shifted). His writings about the Armenian Genocide are straightup denialist propaganda too.
That's what the left is. He says it himself, that he's on the left. Nice Armenian historian, Azeris would appreciate him.
I am about one third into the discussion. And this is my reaction.🤦
Of course l have heard of Ronald Suny. I am very disappointed.
Really outrageous interview. It is a case study for learning why Armenia is unable to have a national narrative to save itself. If this guy is an Armenian intellectual then Armenia does not need any enemies.
In the early stages of the Artsakh liberation struggle Ronald made some sort of statement to the effect of “Azeri flag should fly in Stepanakert.” He barely got out of there in one piece. His current in-laws are from Turkey.
@@samuelgurgen3436 How outrageous! Why would Eric even interview him after that.
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Provide sources or it didn't happen. Enough of the stupid Armenian gossip. I swear our people are like petty women sometimes. He said she said they said. Enough of that shit! Give us the receipts, or it didn't happen.
Innocent until proven guilty.
@@sakogekchyan7366Stop spreading stereotypes. As a Behavioral therapist this kind of behaviors exist every where. It’s not dependent upon the race! 😠
@@sakogekchyan7366You’re creating false stereotypes against our people!
Finally a sensible and thoughtful interview from Mr. Hacopian
@@faigmalikov8117 in what sense is it sensible? Making shocking statements? He’s a historian from what I understand. He should not be taking the position of a speaker on behalf of others, or leadership in political analysis, however.
Sensible as long as the speaker is talking in our language.
The Genocide started in Sumagait, Baku and the rest of the Artsakh over the years. The turks are professional when it comes to Genocide. They know how to start from one city to another, and then a village until everybody is gone. You are one of those when it comes to Armenian life, you feel uncomfortable to talk about Justice.
You loved soviet union? Really? The same soviet that killed all our intellectuals just because they feel like it? Who are you? If your father or grandfather was send to Siberia for his opinion, maybe you could feel different. We haven't forgotten how nasty and brutal they were and they continue to be.
Bravo 👏
Hes talking about Soviet society pre Putin which was much less nationalistic and also a legitimate ally of Armenia. Not the case now.
@@dennydritic2628 Having traveled in the USSR from 1967 through 1973 and having friends there in Soviet Armenia (one trip was with Ron) I will say that I found the people very nationalistic (and they loved Americans)
@@shaqueha.5017 .. Discussing Justice is one thing , a purely personal , or by limited thought group , BUT, thinking about Reality and taking actions a totally different matter , Reality mandates and predates , with vengeance , against Justice.. unless you are US gov. Justice remains notes in history , perhaps , while Future to a nation , albeit one with many challenges, determined by how the Nation Reasons , Dares and Works against the challenges towards a future rather than being pulled and hinged into history ..
All i hear is you shounting " I AM A VICTIM" this mindset is poison. Two Atombombs were dropped on Japan, yet i never hear them cry about it and look what they achieved. When you hear of Armenia the first thing that comes to mind is the Genocide and that is not good for a proud Nation.
Would have preferred a political analyst over a historian , in particular to the type of questions raised and the critical circumstances the nation is at . As pointed out more than once , historian about past , and somewhat present , but mainly about “what” were the events , a narrative subjective discussion, vs objective analytical and forward reasoning …
The guest is well informed and reasonably neutral. Loved the interview.
Fully Agree, Eric is way more Ideological driven.
I do not agree on Ukrainian perspective however I appreciate this forum
Ron was a leader on my 1st trip to the USSR (including Armenia) in 1967
мало кто из людей старого поколения может трезво оценивать современные реалии
я, вообще, считаю, что надо спокойно относиться к тому, что даже титулованный какой-либо историк или же политолог тем более - должны понять, что их время ушло, если они начинают ностальгировать по тому, что было и уже его нет
советов нет уже и говорить о том, что я скучаю по тому времени- это старческий бред, который не предполагает в дальнейшем относиться к разговору с интересом
it is dangerous to misjudge russia. her big existence in history n her masive potential. the turks and the magyars have been taking very careful approach, and works hard to find middle ground based on intertional law. I hope armenia does not make a big strategic mistake.
Eric Hagopian is not my favorite interviewer. He’s smug, he likes listening to himself, and his opinions are uninteresting generalizations.
So accurate
CHARLIE DoNLEA, TWENTY YEARS LATER
Excellent interview
Brilliant analysis as usual . Unless you represent a "party" rather than your nation.
Good interview
This guy needs a reality check, this is sad
Which guy? And in regards to what exactly?
@@samuelgurgen3436 both, you need to figure the what yourself.
@@ykamreki Putin betrayed prigozin what is Armenia infront of that ?
I didn't get his answer and thought about Armenia. If somebody understood please let me know.
@@robertb2932 This is what stuck in my mind: He likes pashick and is amazed how he got elected even after loosing the war. And he also said Armenia should make concessions to azer. Blah blah blah. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Less lgbt propaganda
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The Turks and Azeries has an Armenian Bedbuggs problem,now Russia got the Armenian bedbugs to, whant to get rid of it😅
Excellent interview. Very interesting. Though I think that Armenia should align with Russia.
And where has Russian alignment gotten us so far?
It wasnt Armenias choice to part from Russia.