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Leighton's son failed chrono. Next day comes back with different ammo and passes chrono. Troy was there and signed off. That is called cheating. Three cheaters.
There have been one too many incidents where Troy has acted unprofessionally and brought disrepute to the sport. He needs to booted and the position needs to become an elected one.
I've had a couple of email exchanges with Troy over 2 rules. In both cases he agreed that I was right but he fought tooth and nail to discount the problems. Instead of saying "Hey, this guy identified a problem with the rules and gave us a way to fix it and make it simpler and more understandable." He told me the problems were not a big deal and I just wanted to cause trouble. In one of the cases a rule change is coming (he begrudgingly addressed it on a podcast) and the other case he told me to pound sand. After agreeing that I had a valid point. For some reason he defends the rules as written like a change to a rule is a personal attack on him. I don't get it.
Ben is much more of a VP kinda personality. He has status and a bit of authority with the role, but he's mostly there for ceremonial reasons, to raise some trial balloons, and do a bit of trolling. So, with that in mind -- Pranka/Stoeger 2024
Maybe not a bad idea I wish they didn’t make a lim optics and just let single action wo/magwell shoot in co. Probably also not a popular opinion. Too many divisions is kinda lame IMO.
The rules are suppose to maintain fairness and competitive integrity. The only reason to ban something is because it gives an infair advantage. Shooting a Flux Raider against JP-5s is a massive disadvantage for the Flux shooter. Just because Troy is stuck think that handgun conversion kits are limited to Magtech uppers for 1911s doesnt mean he can disallow the Flux(which when SBRed complies with all NROI rules)
@@DFogify thanks man. In my boyfriend Troy’s defense, I did just beat a GM with a JP5 in PCC at Utah state with my appendix carry SBR Raider 365, with a bunch of nose dives from the stupid ass promag 30 rounders I am forced to use… But yeah, I totally comply with the rules, it’s safe, and follows the rules to the letter. So what’s the issue Troy?
@@BenfromFlux The Promags alone are a huge disadvantage 🤣 At the end of the day, it's the Indian, not the arrow. I've frequently taken Top 10 at HitFactor rifle matches with MP17, just because I'm fast and understand the game better.
If they went with my idea of creating a crackhead division things would be better. What's crackhead division you ask? Crackhead division allows the user to bring any pistol they want but instead of two hits per target you have to shoot them 4 to 8 times depending on where you land your hits. it's what the people want yet the USPSA BOD just continues to ignore this undeniable fact.
I love USPSA. The number of members compared to the number of handgun owners is microscopic. Hopefully we find solutions to the problems we are having because what else does an old man like me do on a weekend for $20 that doesn’t involve STDs?
I'm not convinced the Flux Raider is a loophole. Sure, its made from handgun parts, but it's indistinguishable from a 4" barrel, short recoil operated bullpup PCC. Apparently he even SBRed it like USPSA requires, for some reason.
I have a hard time understanding how a flux would be any sort of advantage to a full size pcc. I haven’t competed yet, but no one buys a flux because it is better than a full size gun, they get it because it’s the most compact option that still gives some of the benefits. Why would anyone care about that?
People who buy flux to compete are dumb. Why? Because as a rifle shooter/PCC you want an actual rifle trigger like a hiper fire, you want a setup like a jp5 delay roller or mean arms bearing delay. I find it funny how the whole flux thing turned into this. I would have been like ok, come shoot it at the PCC nationals and get destroyed by people actually using a carbine setup.
@@DJG37S well, you’re lacking a critical piece of information. I am unaware of anyone buying a Raider specifically to compete. I am the midget that they speak of - I co-designed the Raider with my business partner, and I compete with the smoll version that I appendix carry every day. I reached 93%, almost GM, within a few months. I thought it would be awesome to demonstrate the capability and usefulness, as well as a wonderful meme. I got very busy with business, and then Troy stopped me from progressing further. I beat him through a vote of the BOD and was able to come back just in time to compete at Utah State. Unfortunately, my stupid 30 round promags shit the bed, resulting in lots of nose-dives, tanking my score. Fortunately, still placed 2nd in M class, 7th in PCC, beat a couple GMs, one of which uses a JP5, the very best PCC. Placed 5th overall on the very first stage, which I was very cold, not having practiced for a while. Placed 7th overall on the last stage. I’ll stop rambling, but the point is: I didn’t buy a Raider to compete with, I designed the Raider to be used in real life, which it is by many, including various SOF. I competed with the Raider to demonstrate that while it’s only a third of the size and weight, carried appendix by me, it’s able to keep up with the best PCCs. Maybe not beat them most of the time, but it’s a weapon, not a toy/race gun, in my pants with a subsecond draw, what I carry every day. Cheers, and hopefully this detail changes your assessment.
@@douglasmilburn3875 yeah, it’s rarely overall an advantage. It definitely has certain advantages (speed in tight spaces) but overall is a disadvantage in competition. In real life, the massive size and speed difference is part of what makes PCCs toys and Flux Raiders useful weapons.
@@roflchopter11 I SBRed it because I also design stocks, and prefer them significantly over the braces I design. I have to do a lot of testing, which is how this whole funny situation started, was just additional testing in USPSA. Troy’s just being silly.
Ben, you should start a new organization that incorprates the best of USPSA, IDPA, and others. You obviously have your own ideas about what an organization should be, so why not take it on yourself.
@@keithstephenson925 because he is on his own awesome adventure doing awesome shit, making great coin teaching all sorts of types of professionals. I have seen pictures of him in places that aren’t supposed to exist, that you don’t talk about. Don’t get me wrong, I would wish that he would do that, and he could, but I doubt he wants to. Someone needs to. I’m too busy, but would definitely love to help, I have lots of ideas.
The guy you referenced with the pistol converted to pcc didn’t find a loophole. He used an sig p365 FCU and put it in a chassis that is registered as a SBR. It’s 100% in accordance with uspsa rules, not him finding a loophole.
@@Jeremyuspsa thanks. Yeah, I have a few P365 SBRs. Sounds crazy, but subsecond draws, bill drills in 1.5-1.8 and reaching 93% in PCC in a few months proves it’s not. 😂
I’ve been told by someone that may or may not have been mentioned in this video that the reason Troy hasn’t been removed is there is no one to take his place. Apparently you need to be triple gold XLLLL x 5 Range RO Master SRO etc etc certified to be the director of NROI. Or some shit like that…
@@BenfromFlux Considering the amount of cheddar T Roy Supreme makes riding around on a quad and being a wanker... I can think of a few people that wouldn't mind that job LOL
Side note: isn't Troy the guy who weaseled his way out of a DV charge, stalked the PSI weirdo and threatened him, sold review guns given to him due to his position (without an FFL and for profit), and, while wearing a gun, yelled at an RO for no reason?
In the past I believed everything you said about the USPSA. However, after you exhibited a complete lack of understanding and integrity during your week long rant about "finding" a red dot, I'vv lost confidence. Still waiting for you to explain why Joel said "find: the dot in a video on the Benstoegerproshop channel about 3 month ago. I'm being rhetorical....I don't expect you to respond to that as it would certainly require you to admit you overreacted to a single word from a commenter, and you never make a mistake.
The p320 can go off without input from the user because the design of the striker, when you rack the slide on a sig it’s like pulling the hammer back on a revolver, the trigger is primed to go, that’s why sigs have decent triggers, but in Glocks, pulling the trigger actually completes the cocking of the striker, and that’s why Glock triggers are mediocre. Sig wanted a good trigger so they went without a trigger dingus and a fully cocked striker, now whether or not they knew it would cause issues is a different question and now they can’t admit if it they knew the trade off for performance was vs safety was discussed or debated in the design, they took a p250 and removed the hammer and called it a 320, so they might have kept the striker from the 250 that had was fully cocked when the hammer went back but didn’t change any other design on it.
Plenty of other guns have fully cocked strikers and don't have this issue. P365, shield 1.0 and probably every M&P. Walther, AFAIK. Much of the striker compression happens during the takeup of the Glock trigger. The stagey grittyness comes from the sear and the mechanism that converts thebl trigger bar movement to downward sear movement.
@@roflchopter11 yes, but with the 320, it doesn’t have the safety dingus and sig had to recall it to redo the sear and trigger weight because the sear was barely engaging, the 365 was a completely new design so they actually got it right, where the 320 is just a 250 they removed the hammer from but didn’t redesign or upgrade the sear
Leighton's son failed chrono. Next day comes back with different ammo and passes chrono. Troy was there and signed off. That is called cheating. Three cheaters.
There have been one too many incidents where Troy has acted unprofessionally and brought disrepute to the sport. He needs to booted and the position needs to become an elected one.
Troy absolutely needs to go.
Ben, the guy you’re taking about is Ben Griffith from flux defense. I’ve got his contact if you want to interview him.
@@logdog4010 thanks man, me too…. 😂
@@BenfromFluxbut what if you're Ben Kenobi
I've had a couple of email exchanges with Troy over 2 rules. In both cases he agreed that I was right but he fought tooth and nail to discount the problems. Instead of saying "Hey, this guy identified a problem with the rules and gave us a way to fix it and make it simpler and more understandable." He told me the problems were not a big deal and I just wanted to cause trouble. In one of the cases a rule change is coming (he begrudgingly addressed it on a podcast) and the other case he told me to pound sand. After agreeing that I had a valid point. For some reason he defends the rules as written like a change to a rule is a personal attack on him. I don't get it.
Bcos he feels as if it his kingdom/baby and any criticism he takes as a personal slight
Ben for president
Ben for president
Ben is much more of a VP kinda personality. He has status and a bit of authority with the role, but he's mostly there for ceremonial reasons, to raise some trial balloons, and do a bit of trolling.
So, with that in mind -- Pranka/Stoeger 2024
@@n0tthemessiah preach
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but carry optics should be production with optics. Give me that 15 round mag limit.
And with *production* guns from before Troy turned prod into L10 minor
Maybe not a bad idea I wish they didn’t make a lim optics and just let single action wo/magwell shoot in co. Probably also not a popular opinion. Too many divisions is kinda lame IMO.
I would compromise and say factory mag capacity limit. That way everyone just fills their factory mags to capacity.
@wcw2793 some company would sell a pistol with a 35rd mag standard
@@lordhellfire153 That's why you still use the box Production uses.
The rules are suppose to maintain fairness and competitive integrity. The only reason to ban something is because it gives an infair advantage. Shooting a Flux Raider against JP-5s is a massive disadvantage for the Flux shooter. Just because Troy is stuck think that handgun conversion kits are limited to Magtech uppers for 1911s doesnt mean he can disallow the Flux(which when SBRed complies with all NROI rules)
@@DFogify thanks man. In my boyfriend Troy’s defense, I did just beat a GM with a JP5 in PCC at Utah state with my appendix carry SBR Raider 365, with a bunch of nose dives from the stupid ass promag 30 rounders I am forced to use…
But yeah, I totally comply with the rules, it’s safe, and follows the rules to the letter. So what’s the issue Troy?
@@BenfromFlux The Promags alone are a huge disadvantage 🤣 At the end of the day, it's the Indian, not the arrow. I've frequently taken Top 10 at HitFactor rifle matches with MP17, just because I'm fast and understand the game better.
Look forward to seeing you at pcsl nats next year
That would be great to see.
If they went with my idea of creating a crackhead division things would be better. What's crackhead division you ask? Crackhead division allows the user to bring any pistol they want but instead of two hits per target you have to shoot them 4 to 8 times depending on where you land your hits.
it's what the people want yet the USPSA BOD just continues to ignore this undeniable fact.
😂😂😂
It's 2024 and you can still lose a nationals being popper fucked. Think about that.
Well I wouldn't want one of those in me
Ben for El Prez.
I wonder what the old USPSA board members that made USPSA great during the early 2000s to 2020 period think of the shtshw of the last few years?
I love USPSA. The number of members compared to the number of handgun owners is microscopic. Hopefully we find solutions to the problems we are having because what else does an old man like me do on a weekend for $20 that doesn’t involve STDs?
This reminds of that WHO song, "Won't be fooled again" - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
I'm not convinced the Flux Raider is a loophole. Sure, its made from handgun parts, but it's indistinguishable from a 4" barrel, short recoil operated bullpup PCC.
Apparently he even SBRed it like USPSA requires, for some reason.
I have a hard time understanding how a flux would be any sort of advantage to a full size pcc. I haven’t competed yet, but no one buys a flux because it is better than a full size gun, they get it because it’s the most compact option that still gives some of the benefits. Why would anyone care about that?
People who buy flux to compete are dumb. Why? Because as a rifle shooter/PCC you want an actual rifle trigger like a hiper fire, you want a setup like a jp5 delay roller or mean arms bearing delay. I find it funny how the whole flux thing turned into this. I would have been like ok, come shoot it at the PCC nationals and get destroyed by people actually using a carbine setup.
@@DJG37S well, you’re lacking a critical piece of information. I am unaware of anyone buying a Raider specifically to compete.
I am the midget that they speak of - I co-designed the Raider with my business partner, and I compete with the smoll version that I appendix carry every day.
I reached 93%, almost GM, within a few months. I thought it would be awesome to demonstrate the capability and usefulness, as well as a wonderful meme.
I got very busy with business, and then Troy stopped me from progressing further.
I beat him through a vote of the BOD and was able to come back just in time to compete at Utah State. Unfortunately, my stupid 30 round promags shit the bed, resulting in lots of nose-dives, tanking my score.
Fortunately, still placed 2nd in M class, 7th in PCC, beat a couple GMs, one of which uses a JP5, the very best PCC.
Placed 5th overall on the very first stage, which I was very cold, not having practiced for a while. Placed 7th overall on the last stage.
I’ll stop rambling, but the point is:
I didn’t buy a Raider to compete with, I designed the Raider to be used in real life, which it is by many, including various SOF.
I competed with the Raider to demonstrate that while it’s only a third of the size and weight, carried appendix by me, it’s able to keep up with the best PCCs. Maybe not beat them most of the time, but it’s a weapon, not a toy/race gun, in my pants with a subsecond draw, what I carry every day.
Cheers, and hopefully this detail changes your assessment.
@@douglasmilburn3875 yeah, it’s rarely overall an advantage. It definitely has certain advantages (speed in tight spaces) but overall is a disadvantage in competition.
In real life, the massive size and speed difference is part of what makes PCCs toys and Flux Raiders useful weapons.
@@roflchopter11 I SBRed it because I also design stocks, and prefer them significantly over the braces I design. I have to do a lot of testing, which is how this whole funny situation started, was just additional testing in USPSA.
Troy’s just being silly.
Ben, you should start a new organization that incorprates the best of USPSA, IDPA, and others. You obviously have your own ideas about what an organization should be, so why not take it on yourself.
@@keithstephenson925 because he is on his own awesome adventure doing awesome shit, making great coin teaching all sorts of types of professionals. I have seen pictures of him in places that aren’t supposed to exist, that you don’t talk about.
Don’t get me wrong, I would wish that he would do that, and he could, but I doubt he wants to.
Someone needs to. I’m too busy, but would definitely love to help, I have lots of ideas.
I’m running for President.
I can bench 500 lbs
Trial by combat - or by bench press. If you've done the work, you can make the right decisions... or something like that.
I'll vote for you.
What things do the board and leadership care about, if not, fun fair competitive matches?
The guy you referenced with the pistol converted to pcc didn’t find a loophole. He used an sig p365 FCU and put it in a chassis that is registered as a SBR. It’s 100% in accordance with uspsa rules, not him finding a loophole.
Seeking context here. So a guy competed in a handgun division with something legally registered as a SBR? Lol
@@mauvin_No, he competed in the pistol caliber carbine division with a pistol caliber carbine.
Shilling for Troy nowadays be like: 💩🥪
@@ShootingSportsandAccesso-sd9li ahhh, I see now. Thank you
@@Jeremyuspsa thanks. Yeah, I have a few P365 SBRs.
Sounds crazy, but subsecond draws, bill drills in 1.5-1.8 and reaching 93% in PCC in a few months proves it’s not. 😂
@@BenfromFlux only crazy if it doesn’t work, keep up the good work
Obviously, more lawyers are needed to sort this out . That is what the game is about, right?
😂 . No one background checked him .
If you did any research you would see he is a do nothing kind of guy
Damn, mentioned again by the man himself. Double honored.
Troy must be removed, absolutely agree.
I’ve been told by someone that may or may not have been mentioned in this video that the reason Troy hasn’t been removed is there is no one to take his place. Apparently you need to be triple gold XLLLL x 5 Range RO Master SRO etc etc certified to be the director of NROI. Or some shit like that…
@@vanniek71 😂 I think you’re right. No one can meet those qualifications.
And who would even want that job anyway?
@@BenfromFlux Considering the amount of cheddar T Roy Supreme makes riding around on a quad and being a wanker... I can think of a few people that wouldn't mind that job LOL
Can you use the word Super any more?
Why does USPSA need any leadership? WTF do they do exactly?
When you figure that out, let us all know
Agreed
Side note: isn't Troy the guy who weaseled his way out of a DV charge, stalked the PSI weirdo and threatened him, sold review guns given to him due to his position (without an FFL and for profit), and, while wearing a gun, yelled at an RO for no reason?
No that was Jake Martens.
@@joshuabaker5712 Yeah; Troy's definitely the one who yelled at an RO and threatened him, though. Found that one on Google.
New conservative leadership, make USPSA great again!
I nominate Ben Stoeger‼️✝️🇺🇸🤣
In the past I believed everything you said about the USPSA. However, after you exhibited a complete lack of understanding and integrity during your week long rant about "finding" a red dot, I'vv lost confidence. Still waiting for you to explain why Joel said "find: the dot in a video on the Benstoegerproshop channel about 3 month ago. I'm being rhetorical....I don't expect you to respond to that as it would certainly require you to admit you overreacted to a single word from a commenter, and you never make a mistake.
The p320 can go off without input from the user because the design of the striker, when you rack the slide on a sig it’s like pulling the hammer back on a revolver, the trigger is primed to go, that’s why sigs have decent triggers, but in Glocks, pulling the trigger actually completes the cocking of the striker, and that’s why Glock triggers are mediocre. Sig wanted a good trigger so they went without a trigger dingus and a fully cocked striker, now whether or not they knew it would cause issues is a different question and now they can’t admit if it they knew the trade off for performance was vs safety was discussed or debated in the design, they took a p250 and removed the hammer and called it a 320, so they might have kept the striker from the 250 that had was fully cocked when the hammer went back but didn’t change any other design on it.
Plenty of other guns have fully cocked strikers and don't have this issue. P365, shield 1.0 and probably every M&P. Walther, AFAIK.
Much of the striker compression happens during the takeup of the Glock trigger. The stagey grittyness comes from the sear and the mechanism that converts thebl trigger bar movement to downward sear movement.
The Sig P320 trigger isn't as good as the Glock trigger lmao
@@roflchopter11 yes, but with the 320, it doesn’t have the safety dingus and sig had to recall it to redo the sear and trigger weight because the sear was barely engaging, the 365 was a completely new design so they actually got it right, where the 320 is just a 250 they removed the hammer from but didn’t redesign or upgrade the sear
Is you dumb?