Dr. Seuss Canceled? Should We Rewrite History?
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His books aren't banned, some of them are no longer being produced by the company. You can probably still find them in libraries and online.
It’s also only 6 books that are stopping being produced. Not green eggs and ham or the cat in the hat. The other ones are still being produced I believe
You can't find them online they have been banned from Amazon and Ebay
"His books are not banned." Proceeds to explain how it's no different from being banned.
@@mr.dudebro2609 not banned, it is a private company making a decision that they feel is morally right
They are not being printed coz of pressure from the mob. After the announced the books turned up on ebay and where going for large sums. Ebay banned the sale of the books. This isn't just a private company making an executive decision.
In english literature we're studying the play Macbeth by Shakespeare. It has lots and lots of historical context which explains why it was written in that way, such as the nature of an Elizabethan woman being gentle and kind while men were fierce and in charge. We don't learn about it because that's what our society and beliefs should be, we learn about it to understand the historical context which explains why it was written in the way it was (and also cus we have to do Shakespeare but we dont talk about that)
Really well said :)
Gotta agree with gluestix here.
Very well said! :)
However keep in mind that Shakespeare's work is not usually taught as it was either. It's been changed to be more acceptable for being shown to the demographic of teenagers and young adults (For example the scene with a drunkard who complains about not being able to get it up). Tor McLean is right in saying the demographic matters. Media effects how we formulate our ideas and expression, and not everyone is born the same, some children will be able to understand that the ideas are outdated and move on with broadened horizons, and some are going to be effected. If I told you that I'm growing an orchard of apples and only Some of them are poisoned, would you want to eat an apple from my orchard?
Or in Romeo and Juliet, where the very first scene of the play involves blatant sexism as they say "women shall be thrust to the wall", as they say women are the weakest.
They aren’t necessarily being cancelled, it’s that the publishing company is no longer publishing certain books due to them perpetuating racial stereotypes and being outdated. Some people are reacting poorly to this and blame it on certain people, when all it is is the publishing company’s decision
Amazon and ebay have also banned them preventing you from finding them anywhere.
@@mr.dudebro2609 As they should. Seuss was a racist and there are many drawings of his that include racist caricatures, with the Cat in the Hat for example being based off of a performer in blackface.
@@gavin9744 racism is subjective in the current culture(which sucks). For example some lunatics believe racism requires power, or that you can be racist towards ideologies. Heck, for some you can't be racist to certain demographics because of your racial profiling.
In any event, what difference does it make if the author were racist or sexist, or a mass murderer? The book needs to convey harmful messages for you to even 'want' to ban it. Racial caricatures are just drawings, they're not blasphemy are they?
@@Raygun9000 Isnt racism a harmful message?
@@gavin9744 But Mein Kampf is still on Amazon so why is that allowed but a child's book isn't?
I think Disney actually did something right in this case, in some darkwing duck episodes, there are stereotypes involved, but instead of completely removing the episodes, they just put a warning at the start that says that there are stereotypes in the episode, so viewer discretion is advised. what I would do is just remember that they were different times, when that was the culture of the time. obviously what they are doing in that case might be wrong, but you can look at that and **know** that they are wrong, and discuss it with others instead of blocking it from your mind.
I agree with the idea that some remakes of old shows/movies that are remade just to get a new, more diverse cast isn’t really a good thing. Sometimes. Sometimes, a remake can really work, but in that case I think more than just the cast would have to change. For instance, in the case of She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, the directors and producers did change the designs and personalities of each character, but they also changed the plot points and overall story, the world (I think) and added more characters that worked with the situation. Personally, I think that remake was really great, but sometimes a remake like that doesn’t really work (like with the Ghostbuster movie) because they changed only a little bit of the original source material which made the movie seem really fake and done before.
So, if any film producers or directors are reading this, don’t create a remake of story that you liked, create your own film featuring the story’s you want to tell, rather than the stories that have already been told. (I think Molly Ostertag said something like that, or Noelle Stevenson I don’t remember.)
i just think it should be about who does the best job, if the cast isn't diverse, then get advice from others, too see if it is because of an unseen steriotype/prejudice
Directors probably have little say about what gets remade, since the studio executives see more money in remaking a story than hiring a writer and giving him the time and resources to make something original
My problem with remakes with a cast consisting of minorities is that they are often being used as shields against criticism. For example, when people criticized the Star Wars sequels, Kathleen Kennedy wrote it off as sexists and racists who hated the movies solely because of the actors of the characters, and not because they were destroying the legacy of the previous movies and the characters lacked any development
There's no movement to phase out Dr. Seuss books, political, educational, or otherwise. What literally happened is the publishing company took several books out of circulation that A. Weren't selling very well, and B. Had asian racial stereotypes that didn't comply with the publishing company's values. It's an especially smart move to make after the last year's huge rise in anti-asian discrimination and hate crimes.
A lot of people have said this already but I’ll say it again. Dr Seuss is not being canceled, a publisher stopped selling a few books with racist stereotypes in it, that is it.
They are banning it from amazon and ebay. You can't remove history.
@@mr.dudebro2609 yes you can! How would you know if it hasn't been done before?!
@@mr.dudebro2609 dr seuss is not an integral part of history. Allowing the sale of books with racist undertones perpetrates subconscious racism.
@@nuklearboysymbiote It is still history and banning it is doing nothing but perpetuating stereotypes and hatred.
@@Raygun9000 You shouldn't
I agree! I watched The Mandalorian on Disney + recently and (no spoilers) but in season 2 there was the scene in the season finale where it was a full woman’s cast during the episode (except for mando of course) and at one point it hit me that it didn’t feel forced, and I thought that was very cool.
too bad they fired gina. buncha dolts
See, I did t even notice that. That means they did it well
It's almost as though women casts and leads aren't the issue but rather the writing behind the story.
There is a fine line to be careful of when keeping old and problematic movies/other media. It is absolutely valuable to keep them around in order to learn from them, but when viewed in the wrong context, the problematic aspects of a movies can come across as being a normal thing. If people go and watch lots of old movies without understanding the problems with them, then the outdated ideas within them will seem normal. When they come across modern films they could see something like more inclusivity as being "forced in" rather than just being totally normal.
The problem is definitely not the more diverse casts of today’s movies and TV shows. The problem is that people can’t write anymore and as a result of this we have an excessive amount of bad TV shows and movies that in some cases have offensive jokes that are far worse then the content of some of the worst TOS episodes.
@@Atlas_System01 Nice survivor bias. Bad writing has existed in media since forever.
5:05 thats basically any 80s/90s show, most of them managed to age like milk lol
And yet we have the original Star Trek series that is still good despite all of the problems it has due to when it was made. However there are a lot of TOS episodes that are still relevant today. In fact there was even an episode that covered racism.
@@Atlas_System01 and? It's a fact that the majority of the shows around that time were whitewashed or had no representation
@@PeidosFTW But does that make them bad? That's just how the world worked back then. I think you can not judge old literature/movies just by today's standards.
@@tkkot2862 I think you definitely can judge it, censor it? Not really. Does the whitewash make them automatically bad? I'd say it depends on the context, for example, I find friends to be one of the worst shows I've seen, the lack of representation isn't really a big factor but it's definitely something to be critical of
@@PeidosFTW maybe I didnt say it correctly. What I meant was, when you judge something, you have to take into consideration the historical and cultural background. And that the skin color of the cast should not be the main factor by white you judge a movie.
You watched Hamilton? Dope!
It's a great show, but I think it got a bad name because of some people making weird crap about it. :/
@@sacked5266 fr but its amazing!
Actors being of different ethnicities is not a problem in and of itself, it's just very cringy when it's shoved down people throats just to make the producers look good or generally when it's politicised. Since he mentioned the new ghost busters, an all women cast would have been ok but the "man bad women good, look I'm so woke" attitude made it bad
Very true, I think if they didn’t do that then the movie would’ve had so much more potential. The actors chosen for the movie are pretty cool too so that would’ve added to that in my opinion. I think (like xiuma said) when we scream and yell at each other it gets in the way of trying to educate one another or find a middle ground in these sorts of situations.
there's another layer for Lord of the Rings specifically, in that it's intended to also be a mythology for England in particular, so while I agree in principle that fantasy is more easily re-skinnable, it would be like whitewashing Mulan to colorwash LotR
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I agree! Britain should get a president lol🥲
@@susannam.1833 we need a new PM... he judges wind power on puddings
@@SVoided I was joking cause a president is American and Britain has their prime ministers
I feel like people need to realize that books don't stop getting published because they're being "cancelled" by the establishment or whatever, the company made the decision to stop publishing, most likely because they weren't comfortable putting out a book that they felt had a lot of racial stereotypes in it.
People say "we can't erase history" but it's not a question of erasing history, it's a question of who is willing to keep putting energy and money into publishing books that will likely end up just hurting their reputation. I personally think that these books should still be accessible if people want to read them, as long as those people can keep in mind that there may be things in the books that have aged poorly. But I understand why the company wouldn't want to publish them.
I think the company shouldn’t have done it even though some images didn’t age well because Dr. Seuss wrote those books and it’s Dr. Seuss’ company and it just seems kind of bad that that they would “cancel” the books that the founder of the company wrote
I personally don't think it's right to ban his books he had no bad intentions he was just writing with the culture of the time if anything they can just put a disclaimer or something like that at the beginning. The way the treated people of color back then was not right but what are you going to do about it now? There's nothing to do just learn from the past on how to improve
at the same time he can't really care any more and it might be nice to introduce some new authors anyway so it's not really a big deal. in short, i couldn't really care less either way.
I'm not sure if ban is the right word, it sounds to me like the books are just being phased out of public school curriculum, you can still read your children Dr.Suess if you want.
@@adrienanderson7439 right but they should still have it in the curriculum to show how society evolved
@@mosheberkovits3586 but those books are being shown to 3 year olds and I don’t think they understand the history of society and how it evolved.
@@felipe3724 true but that still won't effect them as much it's the way someone's parents raise them that matters the most
I agree. It’s no use whining about something that was already made. We shouldn’t try to hide our history, but study it, and learn from it so we can do better in the future.
when people make something about race, or gender they tend to forget the compelling characters and their stories and lessons learned on said journey. A main protagonist can apply to anyone despite race and gender. its the character that matters and the meaning and lesson that shown in media. Yes some films like ghost-busters 2016 was bad not due to the female cast but its was a writing issue, the same with the charlies angles remake. making all of the females in that film generic and very feminist makes it hard to see any personality in their characters and journey.
I really enjoy these videos, it's great to hear someone discuss their point of view in a calm and simple to digest manner
I love playing minecraft and listening to these videos at the same time lol
Don’t try to change the past, learn from it. Well said
Those who forget the past are damned to repeat it. If we erase everything people find offensive, we eventually will have nothing.
The only comedy allowed (so it seems) is self bullying comedy. Making fun of one's self as a fail safe is the last thing we have. No one can turn around and be offended if you make fun of your own traits or personality, etc.
UA-cam has been doing this as well. Anything not in line with certain guidelines are removed. I see these non-mainstream viewpoints as historical. It's interesting to know in a given point in history what people are thinking.
We see this in the United States Federaist and anti-Ferderalists papers. They had real discussions and wrote it all down and I'd consider that a type of Masterpiece.
I don't think we should draw parallels between the birth of America by the Founding Fathers through the Federalist papers and a children's book with racist imagery.
@@noahday3874 It is still history no matter what it entails.
@@mr.dudebro2609 yeah, but he's comparing apples and oranges here
i feel like that about the old james bond movies, there are women mistreated, but that doesn't make the movie bad!
What about the book "Of mice and men" a very resist book. That hasn't been taken down. You still have them in schools.
I haven't read "Of Mice and Men" myself, but I'm pretty certain it's not being read by the same age group as the Dr. Seuss books.
When young children see racist imagery and see it being treated as normal and not questioned, they learn racism. That's a little bit true for adults as well, but the more educated and intelligent the person is, the more they are able to question and resist those things for themselves. It's a lot harder though if you've already absorbed years of it from a childhood steeped in it.
The Dr. Seuss company made a responsible decision to stop being a part of the indoctrination of children into racist views through exposure to the unfortunate imagery in a few of their books. Kudos to them. Most of their books are still for sale and the full collection still exists in collections and libraries. The removed books were not even well known ones.
@@Angi_Mathochist Of mice and men is read in Secondary school (High school in America)
@@Kasnickijakub
thats not primary school or kindergarten mate.
also i didnt find the book racist, its actually a really good read. makes you think about relationships and what it really means to be a friend.
@@bluegriffen7539 the book has a lot of racist ideologys in it.
I think I dissagree with your analogy of Being able to look away from dumpster fires. I feel this way because some people have to live through dumpster fires and their lives are greatly affected. Privilege is being able to look away and do nothing. I really like you Mr Xisuma, but I think your understanding is different than many, and that’s ok. I would love to recommend some books if you want to gain a different perspective, if you don’t that’s ok too. Hell maybe you’ve already read them.
"Should We Rewrite History?"
If you have to ask yourself if you should do something that literally can't be done, then maybe you shouldn't do it
Stfu
@@camjam0536
Elaborate
@@geboaebo elaborate what
@@camjam0536
Why did you just randomly say "Stfu"?
@@geboaebo lol
I hate when people judge old things by today's standards. Like us seeing things in old media that we consider bad means that society has changed its overall view on a topic and that means that (hopefully) everyone is better to each other and without the bad history to learn from we are doomed to repeat it.
(And this is my opinion if you disagree please keep it calm)
Judging the past by today’s standards make sure we are constantly progressing for the better.
I hate social media
I learned how to read with Dr Seuss... I don't think The Cat in the Hat is very racist...
Litterature should never be censored. Even if we think it's "bad" , it will still be used for educational purposes. I don't know if it's true but Dr Deuss himself reject making some of the books that was cancelled.
he made world war 2 propaganda
They weren’t censored, the company that produces them decided to pull some of them.
The Dr Seuss publishing just stopped printing them. There was no censorship.
I think most people care a lot less than the activists would like you to think they do. Most people dont care what colour skin someone has, I want the best person doing the job be it waiting table, acting, presenting etc.
I agree with you. Ability should come before other stuff like skin colour.
They’re not cancelled is the thing people overlook. The people who own it, the Seuss Estate, decided on their own to stop printing them.
People these days who go out of their way to go looking for things to be outraged about surely can’t have much meaning in their lives.
Yeah completely agree, people are blowing this way out of proportion. All it was was the company that prints the books said they're phasing out a couple of his more obscure books that contain some admittedly pretty blatant outdated steriotypes. There was never some big movement to cancel Dr Seuss or anything as some people like to put it
@@lizardlegend42 They are censoring free speech like they have been doing for a while. It is just getting worse.
@@mr.dudebro2609 who are you referring to as "they"?
@@c456ex9 "the left" isn't a defined thing, it's an extremely vague grouping of people who have some overlap on political stances (the categorisation of which has more to do with tradition and history than the "side's" actual philosophies).
It sounds more like he's trying to create an evil bogeyman that no sane person would support, even though none exist. His comment is the literal definition of an "us vs them" narrative
"It's not as much of a scandel as people think." Proceeds to explaim the scandel.
Homie’s into black metal, Manson, Ho99o9, Body Count, AND clipping?! Our musical tastes are so similar! Much love, X
History shouldn’t be rewritten. It’s how we learn from our mistakes. It is a marker of how far we have come as a species. People take offence so easily.
I have copies of the Suess books that are being "cancelled". I have been offered upwards of $200 for each one
Now there's the irony - instant collector's items.
Wait like 10+ years. Those books will be a gold mine
I love how weirdly lefty he is
I agree with most of what you said here, especially the part about not erasing our history. You said that very well! I will probably refer back to that when discussing this topic in the future!
There is one term that I take issue with: "out-of-date" or "out-dated" ideas. Ideas like this (e.g. race, sex, religion, etc.) shouldn't be framed as being either outdated or current. The way I see it, either the idea is wrong or it's right, and that shouldn't change just because the earth went around the sun a few hundred times. Yes, society changes and what is acceptable to the majority of people is sometimes different. However, that doesn't make right and wrong. Ethics doesn't change; society either complies with it or doesn't.
Anyway, a great video, X, and a very good view on the subject!
4:35-5:10 this made me laugh nervosly.
Cancelling art from the past is stupid and destroying literature from then is just like the mobs burning the libraries of Alexandria: Censorship over expression we don't like.
The problem is that a lot of people don't agree that its outdated. There is a small minority which is actively looking for these "problems" and get a lot of media attention in the process. Then the mainstream media and big tech companies mostly only show one side of the story, and people who disagree are demonized as racist/sexist/whatever so that small minority gets what it wants. That last part is vital since it disrupts normal discussion about the subject. But it fuels rivalry between the groups.
Cancel culture absolutely stinks! Cancel cancel culture! Almost always it's the case of someone having a different opinion, and people go nuts. It's disgusting, not because it makes social media mess, but can go into affecting the real life of a person. Disgusting!
I’ve never heard of this issue (or at least not with Dr. Seuss specifically), so I don’t know exactly what the issues with the book are. Can anyone explain/give me an example?
Some of Dr.Seuss’ older books had racist messages(that he later apologized for and went against). They weren’t selling well so the company stopped production on them. Some people thought this was done by the pressure of the public or the direct banning by the government and done for more than just the racist books. In actuality the company just stopped distributing books that painted a bad picture of themselves and their author when neither agree(d) with the message.
Or at least that’s what I’m getting is what happened. I could be missing something. Probably would do me better to look up some actual sources about this.
I personally feel that there isn’t a problem in say people of colour playing roles that where originally “written white” (black elves in lotr for example) but you also have to make sure that you’re not “blackwashing” characters for no reason. And ofcourse you have to take the actual differences we see in the real world into account to (a white kid in the suburbs probably grew up with different experiences from a black kid in the hood so to say) though this can be used as a narative device, you have to make sure that you think it out (a suburban black kid probably doesn’t know to much street lingo). But in the end its just a difficult problem, so what do I know
there's no such thing as blackwashing
@@strongfork yeah there is
Tbf while Lord of the rings is very white. The elves and dwarves have a racism thing going on that two of the main characters set aside.
how i see it is that whats written in the past, shouldnt be rewritten or cancelled, people should just not care about such literature
I think that it's really really dumb and just people trying to make news. Dr Seuss, even though he wasn't my favorite author, was a big part of my first 7-8 years alive, and I remember reading and enjoying one of the cancelled books 'If I Ran the Zoo'. Almost everyone who reads Dr. Seuss is a young child and they don't look into every image/word to see what stereotypes are there. Even if they do stereotype people after reading a book, I'm sure the parents would correct them/make them understand why Dr. Seuss said that. Now, as a 15 yr old, I don't recall ANY racism in Dr. Seuss books at all and I had to look it up to find some websites highlighting some passages or images here and there showcasing racist statements/images. Dr Seuss is a classic for children, and if we're banning his books due to racism, we should probably go ahead and ban most shakespeare plays too (im joking but shakespeare has so much more racism than dr seuss)
i think in general though, it's good that what we teach kids in literature to move forward, not due to the fact that they have outdated value but just because they're culturally outdated in general. how would the general 10-16 years be excited about story and reading when they need to have a 2-5 hours of back expository of all the puns, the joke, the assumption and how it relates to that era.
even more so how would they be hooked to the story if they themself don't relate to that story
sure anyone can enjoy reading romeo and juliet but it doesn't hit as hard as when literal feuding family do actually exist and stab each other
do people enjoy reading old stories? yeah, but it'd be better if younger people get to enjoy newer media
Peter Pan has stereotypes about women being the parental figures and 'mothers' are a recurring theme. In the story, Peter Pan wants a mother, and mothers are portrayed as the carers and fathers are the ones that go out to he office and work and earn money.
Wendy is often seen as Peter's 'mother', at least to Peter, and she makes clothes and takes care of housework, like a stereotypical mother/woman would have at the time.
Uhoh whats happened now
The publishers canceled dr sues because they think he drew racist shit
Twitter
@@orangepizzaparty688 when is it not lol
The company that produces dr Seuss’ books are removing 6 books (not the famous ones, like green eggs and ham some really obscure ones) from further production due to racist stereotypes in the books and then people got mad that they stopped producing them. (You can probs still buy them off Amazon if you want to, but I’ve never heard of them at all)
The publisher decided to stop printing some old Dr. Seuss books for having racists drawings and racist sterotypes, and conservatives lost their mind and started reading Green eggs with ham, eventho that book isn't getting out of print. Just people that didn't read the whole news got outraged because...reasons?
One of his books taught me about the cold war actually
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Just a comment on LotR:
This is an extremely difficult one... the main reason being that the authorial intent behind LotR was to create a European mythos or origin story. It is all about the winding down of the age of magic and the beginning of the age of man. It's a comment on industrialization, truly.
Personally, I am biased towards adding non-white people (and offset the fact that Harad, a black nation, were corrupted by and served the Dark Lord). There is an Epic-ness about it, too, in terms of literary epics (like The Illiad and The Odyssey). In my mind, Epics are far more about events happening than individual comments on culture vs culture. It's a worldly comment on civilization as a whole (again, LotR is about fading of the natural world and industrialization).
"The Wheel of Time", another fantasy series, serves as an evolution on Tolkien; it is far more human and deals with how someone would react to the events carrying out, how nations would react to the Dark One's return and the imminent apocalypse (long story short, it's how nations are currently reacting to global warming: even when they do agree it is occurring, they don't agree on how to tackle it or agree on who should lead the charge). In this series, the world is Broken 3000 years before the story starts. Imagine if the all the Earth's continents were cracked into little pieces and reshuffled. In this scenario it would make complete sense for a little village in the middle of nowhere to have a large amount of diversity in its population. What causes discrimination is differences in skin or eye color (in another series, The Stormlight Archive, eyes are how people are racist and arrange classes).
LotR would not make absolute sense, since Tolkien very deliberately modeled it after the consistency of Western Europe (though again: I would rather their be non-white representation). In the Wheel of Time, they're casting both because skin color doesn't matter when it comes to who can play a character and because it makes sense in-world. And again again, in The Stormlight Archive, there is specific description of racial attributes, in a way far more deliberate than LotR, BUT white people are not the dominant or the most socially dominant race; but in Mistborn you have the same scenario as The Wheel of Time, where skin color is far more mixed.
The fantasy genre is an excellent way to strip away our biased world and put the concepts of racism, classism, cultural-superiority, and nationalism under a microscope without real-world politics getting in the way.
To be fair about lotr, everyone there is from the northern part of that world so it makes sense for them to be white. The haradrim are not black, but they have darker skin because they are from the south. It would not be worth making an entire new movie just to change them to being black
The problem is not that things are getting cancel (they are not. Cancel culture is not a thing), is that people are not willing to take a critical look at works that are indeed problematic, and that have always been problematic, and identify why they are problematic. We need to make a deeper analysis of the media we consume in order to better the representation. We need to be able to say "well, yeah, these movies don't represent acurately slavery, instead they glorify it" or "these drawings are racists sterotypes and Dr. Seuss perhaps is not the best banner to represent tolerance", otherwise we never gonna achieve progress.
I think some of the comments are missing the point about Dr Susse books. Social media has perpetuated the idea the books are being 'cancelled' due to miss information., which is what social media is so good at. It's the angst driven by the ill informed. I think what X was trying to get at here is that things shouldn't be cancelled, removed from publication or remade to blot out what we now find intolerable, but we should instead learn from these differences and changes in our social history in order to prosper.
ah yes, my childhood is now cancelled, how lovely, just what i needed
I really don’t think that anyone’s really cancelling anything. I think it’s more of the media blowing this out of proportion. I didn’t even hear about this at all, but maybe it’s because the past year had all sorts of big news. The company producing the books are just stopping production of 6 dr Seuss books (that I’ve never heard of at all, not like Horton hears a who or green eggs n ham) due to racist imagery in them. You can still probs find them in libraries or Amazon if you want to buy them.
Doom guy with different armor color?
Having an all white cast isn't white washing! 😄 It's changing a non white 'character' into a white character or being played by a white actor. The ethnicity has to be intrinsic to the character, like a white MLK.
Just to clarify. Dr Seuss wasn’t canceled. His own published decided to no longer print several books with racist imagery.
And stopping making money on racist imagery is not “rewriting history”.
I have always lived by is you know better you should do better. If you realize that something is racist be it children’s books or sports teams you should probably change it. That seems pretty strait forward. You don’t keep doing racist stuff just because that is the way it’s always been.
I dont know, I feel like acknowledging that these books hold outdated views and usage of words would be enough in my opinion. I mean we dont hold Lovecrafts work to the same degree and during his time, even tho to his later regret before his passing, he was a downright phobe of just about everything that wasnt what he knew. So anything that isnt white, upperclass and anything new to begin with. The man was a fanatic reactionary to the utmost degree.
And yet despite that his stories are well loved but still taken as a "thing of its time" and not in a way of "this is how we view the world".
I mean arent Dr.Seuss books at the end of the day just fantasy as well?
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Man I miss Winnie the Pooh. That was my childhood.
Interesting to watch, though i disagree with most of it. P.S, tolkins birthplace's s. Africa.
It was not canceled by. Mobs. The company it self thought they should correct it.
And on the subject should we rewrite history. Nope. But we should clarify some parts better. Not praise bad people as much and tell the correct truth about them.
But also realize, that saying it's a old thing. That was normal back then is not correct.
People acted like racism was normal back then, does not make not make it right. And letting it exist is also not a good thing. But it's all a case by case basis. In this situation, removing it was a good option.
But I must say I am baised. Have seej/experienced enough racism etc to know bad it can be.
Do we go around canceling movies from the 60's? I watch some of the stuff my father watched and it is so outdates I can't even watch it, but I would never want to get rid of them or cancel them. We need to preserve them and learn from them. Keep them as relics of what was and move on to better things.
they remove one of my fav shows/movies Dukes of Hazzard bc of the flag on the car.....not onve did i watch those bc of the flag or yhought anything of it.. and i know that there were colored slave owners back then in the South thta wanted to keep it that way...the flag is about fighting for what you believe in...not race........ (for the record i do think "owning" slaves is wrong)
i think its funny you have to clarify that you think owning slaves is wrong after saying some racist shit
ok
honestly i feel like they shouldnt remake movies just for the sake of having a cast with more women or more minorities. we shouldn’t try to cover up what our past was like, and it can also send the message that the minorities arent worth a new movie.
i dont think remakeing movies to correct things ..works...like Ghostbusters...great movie but they recast it all female. it didnt do very good in the box offices
I dont agree with removing Seuss and his books. Sure, there's some outdated things, but we have to remember when they were written. We shouldn't erase history
Regarding Tolkien and LOTR. I disagree with Your opinion about racial minorities in the movies. From what I know, all Elves were white (correct me if I'm wrong) and western Middle Earth was dominated by white humans. Having non-white actors just for the sake of it would (in my opinion) be too big of a deviation.
Always a great, calm way of explaining things in a neutral way. Not sure I entirely agree that an all white cast is particularly bad though, a black cast member shouldn't be added just to have a black cast member, each actor should be added based on their talent. However, It sounds like your movie only had white people as major characters though, and the black person as a waiter doesn't sound quite right to me either. Great explanation.
Hamilton is juxtaposing the culture of the mid 1700s with the culture of the new millennium. It attributes the culture of the mid 1700s in its titled, Hamilton, to an individual, How ever it tribally attributes the culture of the new millennium to African Americans, who conveniently have a gap in their culture to fill and inconveniently have nothing to hold onto if this tribal project goes awry, instead of artfully attributing it to the handful of individuals who indeed invented hip hop. Because It subscribes this false tribalized route of attribution, it pays its dues via it’s casting, but to me, someone who respects the individual, it fails to pay it’s dues. The choice Lin made was to conflict those who respect the individual, instead of choosing to confront those who hold this tribal belief to be true, but it even fails to do this, by respecting the individual of one of the two cultures it juxtaposes. To actually accomplish what it sets out to do, it would do the very opposite, It would be the story of Hamilton, forgetting his name, told through a musical called Bambaataa.
X. Thanks for staying out of our civil war. As someone who’s been fighting on one side for a while I really would like this war to end. After all the threat to our democracy is over and it’s time for the US to rebuild but for some reason the war continues. What’s worse is that those who claim they are neutral over here actually aren’t. I had a former friend who may have had the same ideals as you but they got twisted and corrupted and as a result of this he started telling me not to trust the news and started downplaying COVID. I had no choice but to end the relationship but in another world where this war wasn’t happening we would still be friends. If only I had discovered this channel before it was too late. X if you see this keep being wholesome and whatever you do don’t go down that path that has consumed many of us.
Xisuma, has anyone ever told you that you are incredibly good at expressing your points in n articulate and succinct manner? :)
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Does X read the comments?
maybe yes..maybe no but you won't get a reply from him
@@silentassassin_69 didn't think I would
@@mosheberkovits3586 better luck next time
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“I don’t know much about it but let me make a video about it.” This didn’t have anything to do with school curriculum and a quick google search would have been so easy.
Literally no one canceled him. The foundation that owns the brand decided THEMSELVES that they would no longer publish books with racist language.
Yeah i feel like he takes the more general idea of 'controversies' like this and has an interesting discussion about them, the video isn't really about this specific example all that much.
@@zak7338 he said he couldn’t be bothered to read up on the controversy but decided to make a video with his admitted ignorance on the topic. I guess he can do that. But why? Shouldn’t there be a moment before speaking when he says huh, you know what, I influence a lot of people so maybe I should check my information before speaking. Apparently not. I’d love to have that kind of aggrandized sense of self importance.
@@Gwendolynthegood don’t forget, this was on a live stream and he definitely was not prepared at all to talk about it.
Hmm i don't really see it that way but i can see where you're coming from. I guess you have to consider that this is still essentially just a stream highlights channel so not everything here is supposed to be perfectly researched and i feel that he makes that clear. He may have been uniformed on this example but there was still a more general point he was able to make in this clip and so it was worth sharing. Maybe the title and thumbnail could have been made less specific but other than that I don't really see an issue with the video itself :)
Quite late i must say.
Short answer: No
Long answer: No
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooo
It’s sad how racism was so normal for so long
They have banned the books from amazon and ebay too.
What’s racist now is definitely not what racism was when Dr. Seuss wrote the books, he clearly shows no malice when he wrote those things. Do I think his books should still be published? Yes, however with some sort of disclaimer.
the books that the company stoped producing were made at a time where racism was normal, Seuss probably didn’t intend racism or malice but nevertheless the book has some weird stereotypes and is quite racist
Dr Seuss espresed regret later in life about what he considered to be unkind representations of other races. It doesn't matter what the intent was at the time he drew them.
Also the company that owns the books decided to stop publishing them. No one else.
what next? Cancel Shakespeare? Cancel Christopher Marlowe? That being said, I agree that we need to educate ourselves , rather than try to erase the past. Take care, Xisuma. I look forward to the next video.
Totally we can not just rewrite the past and ignore it like it never happened we need to learn from these thing about what is not right and to not make the same mistakes it ia part of are history as people and like that old famous saying those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it
It’s not really on the same level, Dr Seuss is in no way as culturally significant as Shakespeare.
@@Jaydee-wd7wr and most of his books are still on the shelves, just some of them won’t be in the library, but still online
Hey, xisuma. I believe you were getting there and you missed it. On your conversation of white privilege, I disagree greatly. Just straight-up, I'm Mexican and I'll like to say that us BIPOC people have to explain everything to white people. We had gone through centuries of discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes, and more targeted towards us. We don't have to explain everything to every white person we run into that gets it wrong. We have numerous--countless--generational stories about the shit that we have had to go through. At some point, you can't expect us to just let white people walk all over us and expect us to explain to them nicely what they have done wrong. White people have immense privilege in countless different and daily ways that I don't think they can understand with years of studying about it, so I don't feel the need to have to explain it nicely or to have to deal with it. We have been tone-policed for so long that it is just plain tiring. I genuinely trusted that you would understand that at least a little bit better than others considering your past and the progress that you have made, but you have yet to reach that point. I hope you understand some day and reflect on it but until then I cannot continue to support you. Please look into "tone policing BIPOC (and/or minorities in general)" when you want to learn more about why that is bad. /gen /srs
Yes, lets stop making remakes of old movies just in general. Its not very creative and when film directors do that they HAVE to include a diverse cast, appeal to everyone and have some moral highground included. It just makes it almost impossible to score 10/10 on all things in a single movie since there will probably never be "the best" movie objectively.
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Never. If some weak people choose to be offended by books then they don't need to read them. They shouldn't be allowed to ruin things for us normal people
Hey quick question did you ever look at the names or content of the books that were removed from publication?
@@fern5505 of course I did. If i didn;'t then I would be negligent in my duties as a citizen
This!!!
Thank you for touching on the "Privilige" part X
I am always willing to listen to people on issues, even if I disagree at first. I cant learn if I dont listen to them afterall.
But the moment someone calls out about "Something Privilege" I am just immediately zoning out
Maybe don't zone out?
@@dominicgunderson I zone out because its a buzzword thrown around instead of having a meaningful discussion
There is no point in talking to someone who just says "Something Privilege" over making a genuine point. If I am ignorant, fair enough. If I dont get it, fair enough. But that got nothing to do with privilege, that has to do with me either not being confronted with knowledge over it (cause thats a thing) or with me not understanding the bigger picture.
"Something Privilege" is usually only called out by those who arent interested in holding a conversation in the first place.
@@GikamesShadow Benign ignorance has everything to do with privilege. If you're life has been so sheltered that you can be ignorant to certain concepts that means that your life has certainly been privileged. White privilege is just a fact not a buzzword.
Sure you're right in that just saying privledge doesn't address the root causes for said privilege, but that doesn't make the statement of privledge wrong either.
@@dominicgunderson Well first things first: White privilege is not a fact and you are directly contradicting yourself when you talk about it.
Which I find somewhat odd as well since you go into the topic of ignorance.
You say that privilege is being ignorant. Not only can just about any person be ignorant that you can think of, that also includes everyone who isnt white but also in its most basic definition Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and information. In other words, you currently are fairly privileged, cause you make assumptions about a topic you know fairly little about towards a person that knows a lot more.
If White Privilege is a thing, Black Privilege is a thing. Asian Privilege, Hispanic Privilege and so on and so forth are a thing if White Privilege is a thing. If you acknowledge that, then I will acknowledge the existance of White Privilege. And then we take the word "privilege" and turn it back into "people are being ignorant about other peoples issues" and go back to the norm. Because that happens on a regular basis regardless of how you call it and regardless of whoever it is going against.
So no, this has nothing to do with so called "White Privilege". You can argue that Privilege exists. But then we start a whole "Privilege Olympics" on who is and isnt privileged in other specific ways.
[Random examples pulled out of my behind]
Am I privileged because I am white? - Well yes cause I dont know how non-white people live their lifes. But non-white people also dont know what life as a white person feels like.
Am I privileged because I am able bodied? Yea cause I dont know what it feels like to not have only one arm or leg. But disabled people also dont know what it feels like to have both. (for the sake of the example, we assume the disabled people are disabled from birth).
Am I privileged because I am a male? Yea cause I dont know what life as a woman feels like. But women also dont know what life as a man feels like.
To close this off:
The grass always seems greener on the other side.
And to be honest, on my side it is pretty green, cause I live in germany where I can sit back and relax while america is throwing a hissifit over meaningless nonsense while things like systemic racism are an actual problem. But here is a fun fact: The crowd who says "white privilege" didnt help me understand that. Aba and Preach helped me understand that.
I mean I dont need to care. I CAN be ignorant lol. But I still choose to interact cause... why not? I wanna learn.
@@GikamesShadow You can't seriously be arguing that every "privilege" is somehow equal. I was disabled, in a wheel chair for half a year, and trust me when I say that our society (I don't live in Germany so I won't comment there) is seriously lacking in accommodation for those with disabilities. Everything is built with able-bodied people in mind, and that's before I get to general biased conceptions you have to face on a daily basis.
Living in a country in which white peoples assumed and maintain power through whiteness (please read how the term of who qualified as "white" was expanded in order to keep poor minoritied European's and Black's from revolting), and have built laws and prejudices that harm other races, white privilege certainly exists. It's easier to get a job, a house, to not be harrased by police, to be treated fairly by the justice system, to get shorter sentences, to get off with a misdemeanor instead of a felony, to assume a position of high-rank, to be treated to better education, and to with more money, not to mentions the benefits of inherited business and wealth (which helps to reinforce an already biased system, but I digress).
To say that white privilege doesn't exist, is to deny reality. To say that other firms of racial privilege exist in equitation to white privilege, is also the denial of truth. The acknowledgement of privilege is, and shouldn't be a problem. It's simply a way in which one can acknowledge the hierarchy in which we live, and with such awareness, potentially push for a more equitable future.
Hi
Can you make a video on demographic replacements and how a majority can quickly become a minority. (ex: California and the mass exodus) I'd love to know your thoughts on this.
Recent studies are showing there was not "mass exodus" from California. Most moves happened within the state. (I live in california)
@@tynj4173 that's great and all but this is called anecdotal evidence. Actual really science based studies have shown it's not the case. California is huge. We have 39.5 million people living here. I don't doubt that people are moving, but when you look at the population number and the number of people leaving, it doesn't equal a "mass Exodus"
Also, anyone calling California communist doesn't likely know what the term really means. They're probably searching for authoritative. Which California also isn't. It's a capitalist state with some socialism thrown in and it has the same political problems as the rest of the country.
Ghostbusters 3 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen
It’s not right
Why?
@@Jaydee-wd7wr history should be preserved no matter what happened or How terrible it was. It can teach us about ourselves. Canceling is also stupid.
@@sebastiannielson1952 Lmao imagine if we banned Mein Kempf from being sold. We need it to still exist to learn about lessons in history.
Oh no now I’m scared he’s going to be cancelled for even talking about this stuff. Social media is crazy now adays
nah he should be "cancelled" for posting videos on race issues as an ex white supremacist and for allowing his subscribers to be blatantly racist on his george floyd videos.
Sry I can’t tell if ur talking about me or the person below but yeah I agree let them share they’re opinions and don’t put them down for it unless they’re opinions WILL hurt someone
@Lego if he really changed he wouldn't imply as a white person that minorities are just "complaining".
@MX 3 im actually a communist
Turn around the issue: Netflix adds people of minority and LGBTQ+ for no reason. If they added it to be normal, that'd be fine. Like Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton was believed to be bi-sexual. Lin-Manel is bi-sexual, and he hinted jt really well in the musical.
I bet most of us can at LEAST agree we should remove Trump from that scene in 'Home alone 2: lost in New York' or change him to a different person.
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