It’s a great video, and I think Murata does use water breathing, also I thought you were going to talk about how inconsistent the Hashira strengths are at times
Total concentration constant is a high level technique, it's total concentration constantly total concentration allows to repeated use of breathing techniques
No. Most Slayers do not use Constant. To use a MHA example, they saw the Breath techniques as super moves, whereas they should have been applying the Breath techniques to their entire body at all times. They really should tell their students to train to use Breathing 24/7 tho. It's not something you should be told to do by a little girl in a hospital
@@mahistvnah, it should not be. There are authors out there that can pull it off. The portrayal does not at all help portray how demons, even the lowest of the lowest, are just above even the peak humans in speed and strength and why civilians fear them. You can definitely show the difference in their strength and skills without making them scared and witless. They can still have good swordfighting form and they still get defeated because they just can't keep up with speed and strength. I mean it was not as if the fight with demons happened just a couple of months ago. The author just made the decision that if he wants to complete the story, he has no time for anymore background character and world building. Which by the way is fine. I thoroughly enjoyed the story, art and fighting sequences. But just like other works, particularly when they are in shonen/publishing for a company, well, you compromise on some things.
@@DudeCorp.Companythat muzan creator of all demons and oldest demon (with literally a 1000 years worth of demonic power) Like even all hashiras together and with mark get destroyed by a non druged muzan Muzan didn't fear them but that didn't mean they are weak (i talk about the hashiras) so experienced shouldn't be that weak to not be able to fight 1 basic demon alone (the show says otherwise tho It is like they never held a sword)
It's worth mentioning that Tanjiro started a week or 2 later than everyone else. It's entirely possible that we only saw the rookies training, because most of the competent Kinoes and Kinotos passed relatively easily through most of the Hashira training. Iit served a narrative purpose as well, because it needed to show how big difference in skill is between the main characters, the Hashira and the random NPCs, who don't even want to cook for themselves.
That's actually a great point and I can even prove it. Kanao was shown in the intro absolutely destroying people with her speed, so she and people with abilities must have cleared it pretty fast. The thing is, where are they now? If we have people who were able to outperform Zenitsu and Inosuke (cause Tanjiro caught up to them), why don't we see them in the final battle?
@@mahistv As you said, the anime added a lot of filler, that wasn't in the manga. I wonder if we'll see some slayers actually kill the infinity castle demons in the movies, since all the demons there are lower moon levels. So randoms killing lower moon level demons would show the training paid off or that there are other competent fighters other than the Hashira and Tanjiro squad.
I really dont like how the rest of demon slayers are just usless i mean 95 percent of them dont even know breath styles that's like sending them to their deaths lmao .
@@Roman0ff_49 which is so dumb like I mean who teaches them ? Isn't that what retired hashiras should be doing ? They can open an academy or something man
I think it is explained that Breath Teachniques are extremely difficult to learn , let alone master and that is if you have the talent and phisique for it , for example Tanjiro has both but his Water breathing was weak compare to Giyu and his master because he is not compatible with it , Zenitsu also has the physique but lacked the skills so he only learned 1 technique , it is very likely that most DS only learned tha basics and 1 or 2 techniques at best Also , it is mentioned that all DS fight under massive disadvantage all the time , because the demons wont appear otherwise and they dont only have to fight but also protect bystanders as seen in almost every fight , Tanjito almost died on his first mission too and he is supposed to be far stronger and skilled than most rookies , the diference between a average demon and a DS is just that big and it is widen by the fact that most demons wont fight Ds until they have actually becomes stronger , they dont turn any dumbass into a Demon , it is specifically stated that Muzan and the Moons only choose those that could become strong demons
@@ramondelgado4927 okay extremely difficult I get behind that but it's should be impossible for like 95 percent without training . If that's still the case shinobu has poison she could supply the slayers that stuff pluss they have a literal wisteria garden or smth in the entrance exam to keep demons away
You know there's a problem when Rengoku taught Tanjiro how to use Recovery Breathing technique after he got severely injured in the mugen train arc in a whim
@@mahistv I’m pretty sure they never highlight the fact that he’s using recovery breathing just because he’s probably constantly using it, and it would be redundant to keep mentioning it. Plus he does mention needing to “recover” a lot during the show, so I always assumed he was just referring to recovery breathing…. Because what else would he be referring to? It’s the only way that humans can recover quickly during battle
I genuinely dislike the fact that, in the Hashira Training Arc and probably throughout the entire series, the Demon Slayer Corps members are portrayed as clones. They all have the same black hair, similar physique, and wear the same uniform without a single haori. It’s so evident that they are obviously background characters who contribute little to the story. These clones are easily subdued by Obanai with no struggle or reconciliation, which indicates their extreme weakness. The only "normal" non-Hashira or non-main character Slayer I notice is at the beginning of the Hashira Training Arc-the guy at 0:03. At least he has a distinct, recognizable outfit, unlike the other characters who look like generic, ripped clones.
To add. Every training arc in anime always results to charactrer growth at the end. (examples: Deku learning the powers and controlling OFA; Haikyuu learning new attack patterns; Naruto learning new techniques) In Demon Slayer, there wasn't. Maybe you can count Zenitsu becoming serious. But it only happened after reading the letter. There was no build up at all. The whole arc is just Hashiras beating the ass of the slayers and making paper planes. And fans are defending it to people complaining about it, saying "it is just a training arc, what do you expect?" !
Tbf black hair is the most common hair color in Japan by far especially back then when it only opened up its border in the last 50 or so years so discounting anime hair colors black and the occasional brown is what you are going to see in Japan. Plus most of them have different haircuts like the buzzcut for example.
@@deathcon6261yeah but in contrast to that almost every single MC or actual character in demon slayer has either colored hair or some unique hair style. It's like, make up your mind if you are gonna commit to realism or delve into fantasy, but this stylistic hair divide between MC and non-MC just breaks immersion somewhat
I was actually asking myself this question while watching the previous two arcs. There's no notable mid tier demon slayers besides Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke. The normal slayers are basically fodder that made me question how they passed their final selection exam, while the Hashira seem capable of defeating just about anything.
@@N_Tertainment7 Murata is probably the peak of normal talentless slayers. The good slayers that aren't MC don't really exist besides Genya and Kanao. It's bad storytelling.
Exactly. BUTT, Urokodaki didn't want to teach him, because he didn't want Tanjiro to go and die in the selection. That's why he gave him an impossible task
@@jonathan9044 essentially, if he couldn't break the boulder, or be strong enough to go to final selection, he wouldn't go into the final selection to probably die
The Slayer Corps is literally a Fast Food Farm. They keep making these guys and sending them to their deaths 😂😂😂😂 no wonder the moons had trouble getting stronger from eating them. This is '' KFC no Yaiba''
@@computerscience1101 True and it gets worse when everyone gets a power up in the final seasons. people like armin ,connie,jean and company should have just died cause to take out that many scouts is just ridiculous. one of the many reason my i had to accept that im too old to play dumb.
I think it would make more sense if all the breathing styles were under the care of a clan (like the Rengoku family) in service to the Ubayashiki, then each family would provide a member with great talent as a pillar and some servants who have learned the breathing style as soldiers.
Just make it so 1 Hashira dedicates a few days a month to train a group of people, while the rest are hunting. They can rotate and it won't stop the demon slaying process.
@@mahistv The problem is that the corporation is not organized like an army, but functions more like a gang and the pillars mostly behave like disturbed teenagers.
Funding is another question. Where do they get money to pay all the slayers. I mean the Hashira at least should ern quite a bit if Rengoku could buy all of the vendors bentos just for fun, never mind train tickets for 4 members
There is a good video on how much they make and it's a lot. I can't recall who made it. But we are told Kagaya is using his "foresight" to somehow make good business decisions and earn money
Ah, that is because Ubuyashaki family have an ability to predict the future, you can see that in the manga when the boss literally knew when Muzan was going to come, so he basically prepared a new breathing style for him Nuclear breathing First form KABOOM Na, now seriously, because of this ability the Ubuyashaki family have the ability to invest and know when a business is going to be successful, so that's how they are able to keep going the corps
@@flokithemad3273I think I heard somewhere that demon slayers actually get paid quite a lot, especially if they're at the Hashira level. It seems that the Hashira set their own prices for payment, so they're not risking their lives for nothing. It turns out I had the wrong idea about their pay - they actually make quite a lot. Every Hashira gets their own mansion, so it seems like they're compensated well for their work.
The answer is relatively simple, and that is; the corps simply SUCKS at doing its own job until a unit from the past shows up. What’s worse is that the Hashiras happen to be the most mentally deranged people out of anyone in the organization. Their mistreatment of the Kamado siblings says enough about their insecurities and arrogance. I would love to see you do a video discussing the mentality of notable character in the series, just so we can see how things would've turned out if the story's cast acted differently.
Yeah, they all kind of seem uptight when you first meet them, especially considering that Tanjiro was really injured and immediately put on trial. It makes them look bad, really bad. We know that he was injured and hadn't fully healed from his previous battle with the first demon. Then they went on to beat him up, which is even worse given his injuries. Also, the kid got knocked on the head, so he probably has a concussion. It's unfair to expect him to defend himself in a trial while in pain. I understand that the pillars can possibly bounce back from any injury, but he's not there yet. He can't do that. It really annoys me that they introduced the pillars like this.
I mean what happens when you put together a trope of traumatised children with no parents to care for them, and tell them to go kill demons in their spare time. It wouldn't make sense if they were normal people with reasonable personalities. The only person who is somewhat reasonable is Shinobu because she grew up in an educated household with parents and they had only died somewhat later into her life. Most other backstories except Mitsuri's clearly show them being smaller children when tragedies hit.
To me what really exposed the anime were two things, one when they were fighting the demon that controlled the demon slayers was there no 9th rank 8th rank 7th rank ect that could have helped? The only slayers worth anything are the hashiras and / or tanjiros little group with one or two more give or take. This made the slayers' corps feel more like just a few group of guys rather than an actual organization. This was further exposed in the training arc where we saw no one but tanjiro passing the training literally no one else could keep up with him I was thinking where are all the other guys that out rank tanjiro? What are they doing? Lol
@@betareyalp yeah during the waterfall scene during Gyomei’s training, that one guy told Tanjiro that it took him a week to pass the first part of the training. So if Tanjiro was a week late, then that means a lot of people had already moved onto other training
Remember how Daki said she killed multiple hashira. That means that average hashira would scale to only half of upper 6. Your expectations are scewed because your seeing some of strongest hashira in history and comparing them to hashira who have demonstrated no feats
@@kingjabon if the average Hashira is only as strong as Upper Moon 6, at what point in this series would other demon slayers have any reason to participate? Against lower moon 5? Against lower moon 1? After that point no ranked slayers make a difference at all
@@ketchup_oreo the main problem is that different people are suited for different breathing styles so the corp does not know what breathing styles they are suited for but water breathing can be used by everyone though since it sucks no hashira ever shows themselves using water breathing, tanjiro showed us two breathing styles in a episode (i forgot which episode it was but i think it was in the entertainment district arc) sun breathing and water breathing + tanjiro also never used any others breathing aside from sun breathing and the water breathing which every can use and that's why hashira's don't use other breathing all because their body is only designed for one breathing styles, even yorichii could never use another breathing style, only sun breathing
I'm so glad people are talking about this. It bugged me so much that we never saw any new decent slayers in this training arc. Plus all of them are guys
@@patrickadetola4153 Why would there be adults in their 30s or 40s in an organization that's fighting demons daily? Not to mention how the demons, until the story kicked off in the end, were consistently WINNING for hundreds of years with no upper moons dead. It makes total sense for everyone to be young and clueless because all the older slayers have already been killed while hunting demons, you'd either need to be absurdly strong or absurdly lucky for that.
They lack large numbers of females for the same reason any organisation that is fighting a lot. Women just are less suited for fighting. Sure, breathingstyles help to mitigate that, but even breathing requires an extremly strong body. I imagine very few girls to be capable of becoming a Slayer, let alone willing. That only shows why Mitsuri is such a beast. She can keep up with the men, even becoming a hashira. But i would guess, that most women either dont want to become a slayer or are incapable of becoming one.
i am suprised that there was no hashira training like earlier some good hearted hashira like rengoku and mitsuri for sure would have a hashira training arc whenevr they arent on missions BUT IT COULD BE TOO MURDEROUS FOR SLAYERS
They managed to train Tanjiro during his recovery period after the Spider demon. For sure there are other slayers who managed to survive other demon attacks. But why only Tanjiro was trained?
One of the worst part about demon slayer is they made a big deal about the various ranks you can achieve only to make them all pointless except hashira. Classic Anime plotholes.
It’s just bad world building. JJK does this concept a bit better since curses are born in the modern day and are supposedly responsible for most disappearances and murders. That makes sense because modern Japan has WAY more people than Taisho Japan and the Jujutsu society is pretty small to match the small number of curses, with a few heavy hitters like Gojo, Yuki, and Yuta at the start of the series that can take on the stronger curses. Comparatively, the corps has a literal army of people and there’s demons seemingly spawning every five seconds. The demon population also makes little to no sense because muzan displayed a clear distaste for even just the lower moons. Why would he allow weaklings like the swamp or entrance exam demons to survive in mediocrity when they clearly don’t benefit his goals of finding the blue spider lily or eliminating slayers? They’re not talented enough to become moons and he should be able to figure that out by a few months at most before killing them and reabsorbing his blood. It would make more sense if muzan himself had a delegated structure, where singular strong demons would have their own “territory” to look for the lily and eliminate slayers. Imagine if every Japanese prefecture has just one strong lower moon level demon guarding it with the upper ranks having dominion over the entire country. That makes the slayers job’s infinitely harder and adds structure to muzans operations allowing for greater efficiency and less needless incidents that create more slayers. For a guy who’s lived for hundreds of years you’d think he’d have figured this out eventually. Comparatively the slayers are also poorly organized. If breathing is a thing then they should just establish a school where they can bring prospective slayers to train them. If they can hide shinobu’s mansion and the sword smith village I think they should be able to hide that + that makes creating hashira level fighters a lot easier if retired hashira can just work there to raise the next generation. Also there’s no division of responsibility. They have ranks but it’s not clear if they just assemble into squads or divisions based on who has seniority at any given incident or if they have a dedicated system for it. For an organization this large it should’ve been pretty easy to establish this but we never really see it.
muzan isnt the only one that can give blood and weak demons dont get his attention unless there at least lower moon lvl or say his name so there the most free demons as muzan doesnt expect anything out of them and muzan losing blood doesnt effect him so having weak demons around to distract slayers because of his 400 year long ptsd helps otherwise what you said is so true but tbh if muzan was smart demon slayer would end on the episode tanjiro and muzan locked eyes all bro would have to say is kokushibo help me
regarding Muzan, it's likely he doesn't care whether the non-Kizuki demons die or not. He'll simply create demons to wreak havoc and even weaker demons will be allowed to survive whether or not Muzan has need of them. He may find a random demon with a blood demon art to be useful for his current needs, which is why he employed Susamaru and Yahaba to hunt down a slayer even though they weren't Kizuki and continuously employing Nakime for the Infinity Castle, well before she became Upper Moon. But once a demon becomes a Kizuki, there needs to be some level of utility for them to remain in their position. Which is why Muzan got fed up with the Lower Moons but didn't bat an eye towards non-Kizuki demons and even gathered them all to the Infinity Castle. Additionally, Muzan might really just not care about setting up his own organization excepting the Twelve Kizuki as the other demons are merely fodder to sow chaos and mask his and the other Kizuki's movements while looking for the Blue Spider Lily and the Ubuyashikis.
I got a lot of complaints about JJK but I think the one place where it hits the nail on the head is how effectively it establishes WHY these high school freshmen with like a week’s worth of experience are being sent in to do dangerous fieldwork: there simply aren’t enough sorcerers to go around. The two biggest sorcery schools in Japan both have single-digit student populations, and I get the impression that there’s no more than a hundred professional sorcerers and trainees in the entirety of Japan.
@@mahistv Reminds me of the Halo lore where the UNSC decided that Spartan IIs were too expensive and time-consuming to produce, so they created the Spartan-III program, where they can make cheaper (but relatively inferior) super-soldiers at a faster rate.... with the intent of sending them on suicide missions
i think they never receive pior training before the exam bc inosuke with no one recommending him was able to attend exam no issue. Most slayer just heard about the exam and join it without any real training bc they were on fume from having their families killed by demon
No way, because they all would need a nichirin sword before attending the exam, which can only be attained through someone connected to the corps. Inosuke was just lucky to find a person who was going to that exam.
@@mahistv Of course they would still need to know someone in the corp to know about the exam in the first place. What im saying is they could have obtain a sword through this person without actually getting trained like inosuke. Some of them could have picked up the sword from the fallen slayers and some of them may pass the exam through different means either by hiding or immobilizing the demon. Nonetheless its still headcannon
@@jayb8934 Either hiding or they at least manage to immobilized the demon somehow. Even if they pass this exam they can still choose to fall back to be a support whenever they want to. Since the death rate of these slayer are low according to the video and not much slayer survive the exam i can see some of them pass by pure luck
Maybe it makes more sense if you add inefficiencies. For starters, every time a demon slayer gets in a fight they sustain enough injuries that they're in recovery for months and thus only a percentage of them are on active missions at any one time. Also, one would assume not every mission results in a fight - maybe the demon escapes, or maybe it was a false alarm to begin with.
Slayer Corps is a textbook example of your high turn over rate corporations. They are always looking for applicants but only unicorns can actually climb the ranks. Unless you’re naturally gifted. The fact that Murata is considered one of the top slayers, with him knowing how to only use 2 forms of water breathing, says a lot about the average slayer: most probably only know 1 or 2 forms. There is another thing to note about the world building: I think the author originally meant for this series to be a long one with many side characters introduced as Tanjiro slowly climb the 10 ranks up to Hashira. And I think whoever is managing the author decided that they want her to churn out immediate plot points to sell more manga, thus the original long series idea was scrapped and we got this instead.
I always thought the same, especially when they randomly introduced the rank system in one episode. It was interesting to learn about, but then it was never brought up again. I only knew about two or maybe three ranks, so I had to look up the names of the others. The only rank that's constantly talked about is "pillar."
Apparently the story had to be cut short because the author was having health issues and family emergencies. So understandable but damn the missed potential man. I can definitely see it was supposed to be a longer paced story, especially with the slow start with Tanjiro slaying low tier demons and the introduction to ranking systems and such.
I want to believe there’s more skilled fodders out there but I’m betting we won’t see any of that and we’ll just focus on the Hashira and the main cast
I always interpreted the master saying his "number of children grew" as as an increase in the total number fo demon slayers ever, not the total number in this instant, since someone doesn't stop being your kid if they die. (I know the slayers aren't actually his kids but the emotion is the same)
One of my problems with Demon Slayer is there aren't many mid teir characters. Like for example Bleach has Ikaku, Yumichika, Renji, Rukiya, etc. Demon slayer just have the Hashira and then cannon fodder, the main Trio, and Kano, then cannon fodder.
I like your analysis. Although it's a great show, people often can't critically break down the show like that. That's why so many people out there are oblivious to many failures of our modern story-telling era and its works; They are quick to call almost anything they enjoyed a "masterpiece". Reality is as much as the animation and graphics can be mind-blowing, the world building can have many flaws and can drag the overall show down. This applies to Demon Slayer, but MANY other shows out there as well.
This. Kaiju no8 is the new 'masterpiece' shone that applies to this. More than 160 chapters in not a single question answered about world or even no8 itself. The story just incoherently puts together flashy fight sequences with cool finishing poses and people call it a masterpiece. It will literally become the demon slayer of the 2020s.
A note about Tanjiro being assigned a lot of demons: Ubuyashiki could have been assigning those missions directly. Using his foresight, he may have seen that Tanjiro was going to grow into someone powerful. I think this would have been a cool way to make his early mission density make more sense
Bro your worldbuilding analysis are great as literature classes. Knowing what not to do isn't complete without learning what is the solution to the exposed errors.
Thank you. I actually wanted to make a series of videos on the topic starting with my video on the villains. Didn't take off sadly, so it put it off for a while
The slayer corps do not teach yoi breathing or sword art or actual good combat training. These demon slayers are just raw dogging it and are above average civilian
I've also always found the supposed number of demons a little awkward since Muzan has to make them all personally, while also seemingly juggling multiple lives/false identities.
This seems to be the exact same issue as with storm troopers from star wars. Both demon slayers and storm troopers are supposed to be strong in the lore. But are entirely weak and clumsy in practice for no reason whenever you see them on screen.
14:28 ah the solo leveling method, evaluate the dungeon, assign it a grade and now send a summon for the respective grades to handle it. Leave the S rank hunters alone unless the dungeon has been evaluated as catastrophic and send in B/C rank regularly in high numbers for the lowest dungeons.
the slayers CAN use breathing, even Murata has a breathing style, Constant is what the Hashira use, it's literally like the most advanced thing a slayer can learn
I'm curious how much talent has to do with a slayer's overall success. Because I was thinking perhaps the reason the average Slayer's seam so weak is because they don't have the talent to get better. Perhaps they have enough talent to join the corps but not enough talent to actually climb the ranks. Or maybe most slayer's don't have the right mindset for extreme growth like the hashira might have.
Even if they don't have talent, they don't have BASIC combat well...basics, don't close your eyes, don't flinch too easy, take out your sword when your teammate starts skezzing out and takes out his own instead of waiting until he slashes you, AT LEAST PUT YOUR FUCKING HAND ON IT
@@mahistv I don't even know why the Jujutsu Kaisen world even bothers calling their institutions "schools;" kids with superpowers just show up and immediately get sent out to kick some ass
It's possible that the current corps is still in the process of rebuilding, resulting in resulting in rushed training from other cultivators to send more bodies to the final selection and hope that they can survive to add fodder into an organization to buy time for the development of better swordsmen. It was mentioned elsewhere that the corps was already on the verge of annihilation but managed to survive. We don't really see how the other cultivators trained their swordsmen so we won't know how good or bad their training was. We can be sure that a Hashira-turned cultivator won't skimp out on training like how Jigoro and Urokudaki trained their trainees. We can also speculate that all or most of Urokudaki's trainees were powerful based on Sabito's, Giyu's, and Tanjiro's performance. Speaking of other cultivators, Murata was trained by an unknown cultivator and we know that he's a Water Breather mostly from the game. If Murata's the image of the average slayer, we can speculate that most slayers will display nearly the same competency and will likely have been trained by the same level of cultivator. As to why a lot of them survive to be fodder for more powerful demons, it can be assumed that higher ranking non-Hashira slayers typically lead teams of lower-ranked slayers on missions and that this is the most common unit deployment, typically resulting in reduced casualties. We can see this in Mt. Natagumo and the Rengoku side story. As slayers are operating in teams against a single demon, the number of demons killed per slayer is likely low. Talented individuals like Tanjiro's batch are more likely to be deployed alone to certain missions as they seemed to have the skills to do so after seeing their performance in the Final Selection. The only time teams will be formed from more talented slayers is to be reinforcements for an ongoing battle, deployment to a high-risk area, or as assistance for an even-higher ranked slayer, like Tengen recruiting Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu for the Entertainment District mission. What I can use to justify that they're rebuilding the organization with weak members operating in small units to fill in the gaps is that most on-screen slayers are depicted as having dull gray blades, which is the case for slayers who have no talent for the sword, like Genya. Breathing users are likely a minority with other unnamed users only having the same proficiency as Murata.
I think one important thing is the lack of trainers. There aren't gonna be many survivors or retired slayers, meaning very little people to train newer younger people. What's most likely happening is that people hear of demons or are affected by them, and they learn to swing a sword and think they are good enough to which natural selection will have a fucking field day. Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Kanao got lucky being trained by Hashira. If not, they would have probably fallen into a similar cycle
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You “only” need to slay 50 demons to become a hashira. If you’re killing 4 a month it will take less than a year to become a hashira. So either they aren’t killing more than 4 a month or the life expectancy of a slayer is like 6 months.
I think its a case of planning with missions probably rated on risk, low risk ones given to newest demon slayers to help them grow, high risk ones going straight to hashira and this leaves a big inbetween of like 200 slayers who get no regular experience or training, and I think there are a lot more demons than you suggest but there attacks are in patterns which most people don't recognise over a longer time. Often with groups of demons in 1 area
The Demon Slayer Corps is terribly organised. The former Hashira let students into the Final Selection before they're strong enough to fight even weak, starved small fry - even Inosuke, who had no instructor, and Genya, who couldn't use Breathing, was stronger than them. Why aren't they teaching Slayers pack tactics and strategy? Why are 99% using swords and ignoring the entire arsenal humans developed over millenia? And how the hell did Shinobu, who cannot deal finishing blows to high level demons, get made a Hashira?!
The sword answer likely comes down to demons rely too much on their regeneration thus they don't wear armor and any weapon that can't cleave well can't be a demon slayer's primary weapon unless their a specialist, like the Hashira that poisons demons.
@@anvos658 Swords are not the best weapon for fighting demons. Demons are faster and stronger than humans. Entering their reach is to risk instant death, and if you don't insta-kill them then and there, there is no reward. This is where polearms, like the naginata and the yari, would shine - perhaps with a sword as a secondary weapon for close quarters. What happens if the Insect Hashira's poison doesn't work?
@@Spahki Pole arms have the problem that demons can do things to catch the polearm by taking trivial damage to them, that would be suicidal for a human combatant. Then add in you can't carry a polearm without drawing attention. The Katana they can conceal in their robes if need be or rely on people thinking their just people honoring the legacy of the samurai. That demons have better reactions and speed than humans even more makes a pole arm less deadly to them, and that is before you account for at their strength they could likely yank a polearm out of a slayer's hands, meaning now you have a demon with a polearm and you a mortal human have a sword. Then add in that demon slayers are using the upper level of to super human level strength and speed, which swinging a larger weapon with such forces they need to decapitate a demon could easily leave them off balance.
@@anvos658 Literal skill issues. It's like you're assuming the swordsman has skill and training but the polearm user has none. Basic footwork and spacing prevents a foe from being able to grab your polearm, and a proper stance allows you to maintain balance while performing a powerful swing. These are basics - and these problems are just as applicable to swords as they are to polearms. A demon could just as easily enter a swordsman's reach and catch the wrist if the swordsman doesn't maintain his space, and a swordsman who doesn't maintain his stance while swinging with all his might will still go off balance. The only legitimate problem you mentioned is concealing the weapon; which is only a problem in crowds of civilians, which is only a problem because for some unexplained reason, the Japanese government didn't believe demons existed and didn't recognise the Demon Slayer Corps' existence. Only one altercation with a demon in a crowd of civilians is ever seen, and that was Muzan undercover - which didn't result in a fight, and only one altercation with government authorities is shown, when Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke were boarding the train - and they were still spotted with weapons and they just ran onto the train anyway. Demons are predators, not hurricanes. They kill to eat, because killing too many brings too much attention. They will avoid crowds of witnesses if possible, and by the time a Slayer brings out their weapon, nobody's in any state to give a damn, because a monster just appeared and killed three people.
I don't think there's that many demon slayers by comparison to demons because if we go by Tanjiro's experience, the training to be a demon slayer takes at least two years and then you go through the final selection where most potential demon slayers end up getting killed. It's likely that many final selections happen at the same time and that we only saw the one that Tanjiro took part of but even then it would be a pretty reduced number. With less demon slayers, there's also more pressure on the Hashiras to go out there hunting demons which leads to less time to train the ones that did survive. Which is probably why instead of training large groups of demon slayers they have Tsugukos. Basically, they choose a particularly talented demon slayer to train and be their potential replacement in case something happens to them instead of wasting their limited time trying to get all of them to get to their level. And the training to be a tsuguko is so hard that there's hardly any good enough demon slayers that can endure it to begin with. Which is further proven by just how hard a regular hashira training program was shown to be. Not to mention that the strict personality of some of the Hashiras makes even harder for them to find good potential replacements that could keep up with their training. Training all of them would be ideal but not that easy of a task when you have to investigate every potential demon sighting and then send demon slayers to investigate until they either solve the issue or die in the process. Which also leads to a Hashira being send to deal with the problem like what happened in Mount Natagumo with Rui after the first group of demon slayers that was send got annihilated. We also know that even if he hates it, Muzan actively turns people into demons in an attempt to get one of them to develop the ability to walk in the sun and that he can turn them into demons in an instant. So the number of demons being created is always larger because there's always demon slayers dying.
You also need to remember that most people don’t even know about demons so you need to get someone to know about demons actually want to fight them. Then actually be bothered to train. Find out about final selection, travel there from wherever you are, survive it in itself then after find someone who can improve your skill if not you just gotta learn and survive every encounter or make up your own breathing style. This is why most are fodder
but after 100 years there should be at least 2000 slayers, no way that theres less than 1000, even if they dont have many slayers, why even throw them into battle, most of the plans of the slayers are just to sacrifice all the pawn slayers to the stronger demon to keep em in place while waiting for strongers slayers even with rui they gotta send some useless slayers that they know wont beat him
@@mnam5822 The numbers of the demon slayers are always decreasing due to the casualties caused by the missions. That's why the training and the final selection to be a demon slayer is required.
From the persepctive of "Rui's sister", it seems like they are travelling in large groups and kill very low level, possibly newborn demons by ganking on them. Most newborn demons are probably on the level of the demon in the temple, even if the slayers suck, if there are six or seven of them, they can hack it to pieces. They probably find most demons in a very underdeveloped state, so they are succesful until they meet something at least on the level of the thing in final selection that feeds on Urokodaki's students, then they drop like flies. I don't remember any unnamed character ever achieving anything in anime though (safe for AoT, there were a lot of background soldiers who achieved a lot).
I think the takeaway is: what ever we consider basic, isnt really basic/requires some level of either experience or knowhow, which the respective masters/trainers of those bunch of soldier deem the grunts not able to learn OR the trainers themselvs aren't THAT much better, in this profession, if a average slayer manages to survive idk 2 to 5 years and win his fights i guess you can say they are experienced vets, but nothing near at the level of a lower moon even. I mean, EVEN IF all ur battles against normal ass demons are like life and death, and you ONLY win fights ending on u being either in a coma for some time or stuck on a healing facility for months, it still counts as wins, in a sense, it does not mater if the slayer is actually growing stronger, IF he can at least do the job of killing the average demon, even if it takes basically his life in the meantime, some of these demons are decades old, if you take some 14 yo put him in a year training and he manages to go 1 for 1 with said demon (killing but dying in the process) i think the slayer corps is wining, right? on the other hand, you can assume all of these slayer grunts ARE using the very basics AT LEAST, and that only goes to show HOW STRONG these surviving demons are getting, or itsa mirror to show how strong demons are compared to even trained slayer, and that tanjiro & crew are REALLY outstanding, i mean in a hundreds of soldiers ''army'' you got like what? 10 ppl that are actually able to win consistently? i think its reasonable if you believe that the average demon is WAY stronger then the slayers.
I think because the ranking was going to be expanding and in-depth with the appearance of lower moon demons. But we know what happened to them 😅. I remember the author wanted to do the lower moon arcs, but upper management asked her to nix the idea
Credit to the author that she thought up a very interesting world, but her actual storytelling and world building leaves a lot to be desired. Ufotable has flattered and elevated the (paper thin) source material.
No hate to any of the people who work on the show nor the writer but this anime does NOT make sense in writing at all. The numbers of plot holes are near uncountable, character developments are non existent, world building is worse than a toddler building lego, and there are more problems as well. I think Demon Slayer is just a show that u can just shut your brain off and enjoy the action, that's why there's only 1 good hashira training episode (imo) that is episode 8 because it had a lot of action and story impact.
Demon Slayer gets carried so hard by Ufotable's godlike animation it's not even funny. No hate to the show itself, but its only redeeming qualities are the incredible action scenes and that it's actually pretty funny.
I literally almost dropped the show when the author said "The breathing techniques are purely visual" How does that make sense in a world where demons and magic exists? The fact 1. Zenitsu threw lightning 2. Flame breathing doesn't make sense "Oh oww I can feel the heat radiating from his sword just being near it" no the f*k you don't 3. Tokito's mist breathing somehow makes it "as if there's mist around him" and the explanation by the author was his MOVEMENTS. He MOVED WEIRDLY. The demon that killed 20+ of hashira couldn't see, and was killed by a guy who moves weirdly. The demon was hallucinating images of this dude and that was the explanation. I'm done bro
@@notlightbeam4889 Im fine with the breathings being visuals. You should look at mostly pure physical shonens, because they work. Mysticism and imagery are valid. Here it doesn't, because the visuals are treated as actual magic (like you mentionned). The visual effects are WILDLY different but the styles have 0 gameplan differences, 0 choregraphy differences, 0 unique mechanics. They blend together except for thunder in choregraphy. I read an older manga named Claymore, it's about a demon slaying organisation of women. Every claymore can power up one or several part of their body with energy, they all use the same big sword, they all can see body energy to different levels. It gets creative enough to give 20+ active claymores a gimmick. Demon slayers have none of that despite affirming style differences the most.
@@glatykoffi6672 I'm not fine w it bro especially rewatching the show when Tanjiro breaks his fall with IMAGINARY WATER when normally he'd just slice through the ground. With good writing the author could've easily just said the nichirin swords bring out a special ability and people use breathing styles to harness it. No, instead it's these stupid plotholes that could easily be fixed by just saying it's physical. Half of it doesn't even need to be imaginary either. Wind breathing cutting people from range, thunder breathing moving at the speed of sound etc. The author just messed up saying it's purely imaginary.
Now do a video about the claymore organization Its kinda similar but you have a concrete number of active claymores doing active job which is 47 in 1 continent
I don't think calculating how many demons in Japan by seeing how many demons tanjiro killed in season 1 is a good idea because what if tanjiro was send to an area that have more demons than others areas Tanjiro never saw a demon in his life (until muzan appeared) and mitsuri had a good life while gyomei had to prepare those flowers every single night Also we know that not everyone can learn breathing style sanemi brother failed to learn stone breathing and went to American breathing
Thats why I never used him as an average and just ran numbers that seemed to fit the lore. About Breathing. Yes, but then we have Urokodaki who taught at least 3 people Water Breathing, which means he is either very lucky to have those students or that breathing is more "teachable" than we think.
Even if Genya not being able to use breathing isnt a side effect of his weird unexplained demon eating power, You can still teach them Total Concentration breathing.
The Corps should have been efficient like Japanese Imperial Demon Army from Seraph of the End. There all soldiers get their powers from Cursed Gear which enhances their physical abilities and allowing them to take on regular Vampires. Whilst the MC and his team of course get special cursed gear allowing them to fight Noble Vampires who are vastly stronger. That type of world building and power structure and hierarchy makes a lot of sense and even gives regular soldiers time to shine and fights vampires, whereas Demon Slayer it’s not the case for regular slayers.
I noticed that the Hashiras can take in a disciple to teach and have then replace their position. At first I was like "cool" but then i realized why not teach multiple people? That way they can boost the quality of the slayers, and not have them become fodders
Yo Mahis it's been pointed out to me by a friend about breathing styles for regular slayers Murata said that his water style was still shallow thus not getting the needed requairments for it to have the visual effect so that means that they kinda know about breathing styles but its just a skill issue on their part
@@mahistvIt's odd because I'm pretty sure it's stated water breathing is the most common style and majority of the generics use it but where do they learn?
@@ZangetsuGetsuga7 muzan with his 1 ankle snapper attack is wiping them all. a extremely weakened and tired muzan managed to severely damage the hashiras. If this is full power muzan with inf stamina no nerfs, he’s clapping them all
Great video! The way I see it there are four things to consider 1: As far as I can tell, the bulk of demons milling about are fledglings only relatively stronger and faster than a normal strong human. This would be why Tanjiro could scrap with one before he met Urokudaki, and why Sanemi was able to hunt them without training. So the average slayer isn't going to be facing demigods at every encounter 2: Urokudaki's training standards are implied to be abnormally high, with him teaching the entire Water Style and requiring that his students need to be able to split large boulders before he sends them to final selection. Tanjiro and Sabito were undoubtedly the best of their respective selections and blew the other applicants performances out of the water; so his methods are by and large superior, but they probably also take longer than most trainers are willing to spend. 3: Tanjiro sort of lucked into the knowledge of constant. He heard about it while staying at Butterfly Estate and determined to learn it, and spread the knowledge to Zenitsu and Inosuke who aren't normal Slayers either. It was supposed to be extremely difficult to learn, and they likely only managed to do so as quickly because they had both help and several weeks of uninterrupted down time to practice in. The other Slayers we see don't appear to have the same level of belligerent will that Tanjiro does which means they might quail at the training, and they might not have been in a position to get the kind of help he had. They should still be taking steps to ensure that the rank & file are at least aware of the method, but I can understand if most wouldn't get the hang of it in short order 4: This is an outright headcanon, but consider that there weren't Samurai anymore. Before the restoration there would have been an entire social class to draw recruits from that trained in swordplay from a young age, so the initial training would have been faster and built on an existing discipline, and even if they weren't the majority they would help to keep the general level of the Corps up. But by the time of the story the survivors of the last generation of Samurai-trained Slayers would all be about in their forties and fifties and most of their new recruits would be random people who had to be trained from scratch on a time crunch.
You also have to consider that there would be a significant difference between someone trained by a hashira (Tanjiro, Zenitsu and Kanawo) and someone trained by a decent demon slayer leading up to the final selection.
@@Dumbsourplum The demon Tanjiro fought was a very weak base demon with no bda he only won because of lucky circumstances and Nezuko saving him, besides their family were taught watered down versions of sun breathing and he’s like the second honored one in the series.
@@rodrigueajavon a guy who’s lived in the forest for a better portion of his life and surviving almost by himself is stronger than random guys whose families were killed, weirdly enough. Inosuke is literally a beast man, his whole character is that he’s wild like the animals he grew up with.
there’s those who are hashira, those who aren’t, those who aren’t but are not completely weak. But honestly, it doesn’t even matter when the power system isn’t even developed, where the powers are actually just characters swinging their weapons around with some cool effects without a defined difference between each breathing technique and style. Lightning isn’t faster, Fire isn’t stronger, each stance is not actually unique to the breathing technique and style.
There is a bit of a difference, water is better for defense and fire or lightning is better for offence. I talked about it a bit in my video about DS weapons.
@@mahistv i will check it out then, because as of now all i see is some stances that look identical but named differently because they’re part of different breathing styles.
Perhaps its just that the majority of these slayers werent trained by an ex-slayer but rather a normal swordsman, who wouldnt know the breath techniques. The final selections would basically be a platoon of trained soldiers walking into a fight with a demon and only a few coming out alive.
Also their ranks are honestly just Hashira and everyone else cuz you either a main character or you a black costume weakling. Where are Kinoe /kinoto ranks that should be much more capable than the regular black costume
It seems like many fan-created characters for the franchise are Hashira-ranked slayers. This might be because Hashira is the only rank name that is frequently mentioned and familiar to fans. While a few other ranks are mentioned and a chart is shown in one episode, the series doesn't delve into all the ranks by name. As a result, Hashira is the label that's used most often. There are fan-created characters that don't hold the Hashira rank, but people usually don't bother to specify the character's rank if they're not a Hashira-ranked slayer.
I love videos like this. Authors or non-canon studios add all these training arcs things to add to the world building to make these worlds seem easily to get lost in, extend the story, or more real. In reality, one poke or gust of wind makes it all fall apart! 😂
I just realized just how lucky the slayers got during the infinity castle arc, stop reading now to avoid spoilers. Upper six didn’t even know how to use his bda and was only a demon for two weeks or smth, upper four was a support player, upper three killed himself, upper two didn’t take any of his fights seriously, and upper one debatably also killed himself. This goes to show how grossly underprepared the slayers were for the demons to attack them. Even though Muzan invading was a part of their plan, what if he brought the upper moons with him to kill the hashira while he dealt with the ubyashikies? They would’ve been fucked!
@@corbangonzalez4935not only that, but I believe it's an Anime only scene of Obanai and Sanemi finding the Infinity Castle, and they just were somehow let go, which in itself does not make sense, the entire plot of DS does not make sense, I mean look at the character of Muzan(COWARDLY, dreads Immortality, has a superiority Complex, self entitled) •Killing the lower moons did not make sense, for one he could have just brought them up near the upper moon level and sent them as a squad to get them stronger, but he didn't. • after Yorichii died... The hell did he do? Like even if they have weakness to the sun, I'm pretty sure he couldve easily overthrown Humanity, but he doesn't... Why? • He has his blood in Nezuko, yes? Why couldn't he just torture her through his cells whenever she went and "save the day" cuz pretty sure he's aware of what every Demons are doing, so No Tanjiro, No DS mark. •after he had all his lower and upper moons, conquering Humanity would have actually been easier, hell just have them station from coast to coast and get stronger and produce more Demons, so it spreads like wildfire, again he doesn't. • why only 12? If he can make upper moon like beings out of batshit nowhere... Why only 12? And why'd he make the other 6 weaker compared to the upper 6? Hell he can make them stronger, and y'know it. •As soon as he recognized Tanjiro, why the hell was he not the one to kill him? The hell was the point of sending 2 goonz, 1 with actually good BDA that he just, didn't care about? Hell better than his own BDA and most upper 6. •wouldnt enslaving Humanity to run experiments on them, than trying to live amongst them to find useless facts? Be better?
@@christianvictormariano1283 that’s why to me, kny works best as a show to watch with your brain turned off. It’s fun on a surface level, but when you actually think about it, it becomes infuriating how little of it makes sense.
i absolutely agree with most things you say but i think the amount of demons that the corps hunt is a lot smaller in comparison to 14kish. adding in how many slayers get hurt on missions (and therefore need time off to recover), how certain missions need multiple slayers to complete, and how slayers die off incredibly quickly, the rate of demons slayers probably fluctuate a lot. idk maybe tanjiro got so many missions because the corps was going through a slayer drought considering the recent final selection only gave 4 new slayers, or maybe there arent ever more than 30ish slayers (including hashira) out hunting demons because of how many are badly hurt slayers get after missions
Regarding the training, most trainers are low ranked retired low level slayers. Not everyone is trained by a former hashira and just look at it, even Urokkodaki did not teach Tanjiro about something as basic as constant. So either that wasn't even a thing at his time as a an active member or he outright lied.
Actually Gotogue kind of explained that Giyu and Murata passed the final selection the same time , Makomo around two years after during selection … and two years after it was Tanjiro , Zenitsu , Genya , etc During the final selection of that year Sabito killed all demons except one . And the rest of them didn’t even kill many demons they just passed thanks to Sabito Sabito was Giyu’s best friend so Giyu ‘s drowned in survival guilt and trained his ass off became very depressed and completely lack of social skills to even held a normal conversation because he felt so weak While the others just … yeah … No wonder the quality of slayers was going down because during that time many of them passed the final selection when they clearly was not ready And also Spider Mommy is actually very strong ! She got her power through Rui . Rui is a lower moon and when he gave his blood towards his spider family he actually loses some of his powers . ( Rui didn’t care about strength like most demons , he is so fixed at connections and wanting to be loved and protected , it is said by Muzan every time Rui give out his blood if actually makes him weaker . Basically the spider family has at least half of the power as a lower moon or even more because of Rui So if makes sense than the slayers are dying like flies in spider mountain because they encountered demons that at least have half of the power of a lower moon and even more .. And as tyrannical as Rui is … no wonder he gets all upset when his spider family leaves him and goes berserk , he basically felt abandoned , he probably felt betrayed after saving their lives and giving them powers to protect themselves while himself gets weaker as a result I would upset too .but sadly he didn’t realize that is his tyranny that drives his family away from him . Also there aren’t actually that many Demons .. because Muzan is a coward that he is afraid his demons will surpass him and turn on him when they get too strong. That’s why he put cursed of them because he is sow afraid that his own kind turn theory backs on him and kill him when they get their memories back .And that’s why he never let Demons work in groups other than pairs ( without the curse I feel like the upper 123 4 together can easily defeat Muzan … because he was a coward and he is very careful with who to choose to turn into a demon . He wants them powerful enough to fight for him , but not powerful enough to defeat him So I would assume the numbers of demons are actually… not that much You totally made me laugh when putting the clip of slayers closing their eyes training with Muichiro lol So true if they are so afraid of a 14 year old Hashira with a wooden sword how they gonna fight demons lol
Do you remember Total Concentration Constant and do you think regular slayers use it at all?
They used it in season 1 then they forgot abt ut i guess..?
Normal slayers don’t because most normal slayers don’t have a Hashira to train them
It’s a great video, and I think Murata does use water breathing, also I thought you were going to talk about how inconsistent the Hashira strengths are at times
Total concentration constant is a high level technique, it's total concentration constantly
total concentration allows to repeated use of breathing techniques
No. Most Slayers do not use Constant. To use a MHA example, they saw the Breath techniques as super moves, whereas they should have been applying the Breath techniques to their entire body at all times.
They really should tell their students to train to use Breathing 24/7 tho. It's not something you should be told to do by a little girl in a hospital
Canon: There are many levels of demon slayer, but the highest level is hashira.
Reality: There are 2 types of demon slayers, hashira and non-hashira.
I say there are 3 - Hashira, Slayers with colours and regular slayers)
@@mahistv Slayers with colors are basically future Hashira-in-training.
Hashira, useful and losers
3 types, hashira, main characters, and fodder
3 types: Plot armor, Hashira, and randos. Plot armor is stronger than Hashira lol
I found it strange how they introduced soo many rankings and then proceeded to use none of them besides the Hashira.
Yep, totally irrelevant
That's because after the Swordsmith Arc, the author decided to rush the story. Hence, a terrible world building and ending.
@@aplays1999 personally I think she could've made a separate arc for each upper moon, but no, it just feels very rushed
Real shit when they introduced the rankings I thought we would've seen Tanjiro slowly climb through the ranks nearing hashira level eventually.
@@aplays1999 IT was more she was forced to rush.
I think they keep making the mistake of making the demon slayer corps look incompetent by having all the background characters be canon fodder.
Yes, and this is the case for most stories
It wasn't an accident, they clearly state Muzan never feared the demon slayers being a problem since Yorichi
@@mahistvnah, it should not be. There are authors out there that can pull it off. The portrayal does not at all help portray how demons, even the lowest of the lowest, are just above even the peak humans in speed and strength and why civilians fear them.
You can definitely show the difference in their strength and skills without making them scared and witless. They can still have good swordfighting form and they still get defeated because they just can't keep up with speed and strength. I mean it was not as if the fight with demons happened just a couple of months ago. The author just made the decision that if he wants to complete the story, he has no time for anymore background character and world building. Which by the way is fine. I thoroughly enjoyed the story, art and fighting sequences. But just like other works, particularly when they are in shonen/publishing for a company, well, you compromise on some things.
@@DudeCorp.Companythat muzan creator of all demons and oldest demon (with literally a 1000 years worth of demonic power)
Like even all hashiras together and with mark get destroyed by a non druged muzan
Muzan didn't fear them but that didn't mean they are weak (i talk about the hashiras) so experienced shouldn't be that weak to not be able to fight 1 basic demon alone (the show says otherwise tho
It is like they never held a sword)
im pretty sure they also stated that the demon slayer corps quality went way downhill
If I was born in to demon slayer and didn’t get any type of unique design I know I’m dead ☹️
Unless you are Murata
@@mahistvMurata the middle part demon
Put on a flashy piece of clothing maybe that'll trick the plot
Dude better bleach his hair, start screaming at every opportunity, and Construct a tragic back story real quick.
FRR
It's worth mentioning that Tanjiro started a week or 2 later than everyone else. It's entirely possible that we only saw the rookies training, because most of the competent Kinoes and Kinotos passed relatively easily through most of the Hashira training. Iit served a narrative purpose as well, because it needed to show how big difference in skill is between the main characters, the Hashira and the random NPCs, who don't even want to cook for themselves.
That's actually a great point and I can even prove it. Kanao was shown in the intro absolutely destroying people with her speed, so she and people with abilities must have cleared it pretty fast. The thing is, where are they now? If we have people who were able to outperform Zenitsu and Inosuke (cause Tanjiro caught up to them), why don't we see them in the final battle?
@@mahistv As you said, the anime added a lot of filler, that wasn't in the manga. I wonder if we'll see some slayers actually kill the infinity castle demons in the movies, since all the demons there are lower moon levels. So randoms killing lower moon level demons would show the training paid off or that there are other competent fighters other than the Hashira and Tanjiro squad.
@@viktorzahariev2485Murata survives the whole series with galaxy breathing so this proves that ngl
he is pre trained by urokodaki
and also MC plot armor
True, cuz Kanao was at sanemis training in the first episode
I really dont like how the rest of demon slayers are just usless i mean 95 percent of them dont even know breath styles that's like sending them to their deaths lmao .
They dont even now the basics of swordsmanship and footwork. Breathing is too much for them already.
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@@Roman0ff_49 which is so dumb like I mean who teaches them ? Isn't that what retired hashiras should be doing ? They can open an academy or something man
I think it is explained that Breath Teachniques are extremely difficult to learn , let alone master and that is if you have the talent and phisique for it , for example Tanjiro has both but his Water breathing was weak compare to Giyu and his master because he is not compatible with it , Zenitsu also has the physique but lacked the skills so he only learned 1 technique , it is very likely that most DS only learned tha basics and 1 or 2 techniques at best
Also , it is mentioned that all DS fight under massive disadvantage all the time , because the demons wont appear otherwise and they dont only have to fight but also protect bystanders as seen in almost every fight , Tanjito almost died on his first mission too and he is supposed to be far stronger and skilled than most rookies , the diference between a average demon and a DS is just that big and it is widen by the fact that most demons wont fight Ds until they have actually becomes stronger , they dont turn any dumbass into a Demon , it is specifically stated that Muzan and the Moons only choose those that could become strong demons
@@ramondelgado4927 okay extremely difficult I get behind that but it's should be impossible for like 95 percent without training . If that's still the case shinobu has poison she could supply the slayers that stuff pluss they have a literal wisteria garden or smth in the entrance exam to keep demons away
You know there's a problem when Rengoku taught Tanjiro how to use Recovery Breathing technique after he got severely injured in the mugen train arc in a whim
Yeah... what's up with that? I think it almost never comes up again, except for Sanemi later
@@mahistv I’m pretty sure they never highlight the fact that he’s using recovery breathing just because he’s probably constantly using it, and it would be redundant to keep mentioning it. Plus he does mention needing to “recover” a lot during the show, so I always assumed he was just referring to recovery breathing…. Because what else would he be referring to? It’s the only way that humans can recover quickly during battle
@@RedRum253he says recovery breathing vs daki and he does just constantly use it after every time
He didn’t teach him recovery beathing he taught him a higher level total concentration
@@zephyx5514 Yeah all he did was teach him how to focus on the blood vessels and use the breathing he already had learned/used
I genuinely dislike the fact that, in the Hashira Training Arc and probably throughout the entire series, the Demon Slayer Corps members are portrayed as clones. They all have the same black hair, similar physique, and wear the same uniform without a single haori. It’s so evident that they are obviously background characters who contribute little to the story. These clones are easily subdued by Obanai with no struggle or reconciliation, which indicates their extreme weakness. The only "normal" non-Hashira or non-main character Slayer I notice is at the beginning of the Hashira Training Arc-the guy at 0:03. At least he has a distinct, recognizable outfit, unlike the other characters who look like generic, ripped clones.
common demon slayer L
To add. Every training arc in anime always results to charactrer growth at the end.
(examples: Deku learning the powers and controlling OFA; Haikyuu learning new attack patterns; Naruto learning new techniques)
In Demon Slayer, there wasn't. Maybe you can count Zenitsu becoming serious. But it only happened after reading the letter. There was no build up at all. The whole arc is just Hashiras beating the ass of the slayers and making paper planes.
And fans are defending it to people complaining about it, saying "it is just a training arc, what do you expect?" !
Tbf black hair is the most common hair color in Japan by far especially back then when it only opened up its border in the last 50 or so years so discounting anime hair colors black and the occasional brown is what you are going to see in Japan. Plus most of them have different haircuts like the buzzcut for example.
@@deathcon6261yeah but in contrast to that almost every single MC or actual character in demon slayer has either colored hair or some unique hair style. It's like, make up your mind if you are gonna commit to realism or delve into fantasy, but this stylistic hair divide between MC and non-MC just breaks immersion somewhat
I def agree with your point, but just to clarify, Obanai is a very strong pillar lol so him subduing them is sort of expected
I was actually asking myself this question while watching the previous two arcs. There's no notable mid tier demon slayers besides Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke. The normal slayers are basically fodder that made me question how they passed their final selection exam, while the Hashira seem capable of defeating just about anything.
I guess they just collected all the mid tier group and took them to the mansion
youv forgot about kanao and genya
@@geoffreygeorge999 Ok, and besides them? Both of them were trained by Hashira.
@@N_Tertainment7 Murata
@@N_Tertainment7 Murata is probably the peak of normal talentless slayers. The good slayers that aren't MC don't really exist besides Genya and Kanao. It's bad storytelling.
Urokodaki had nothing left to teach tanjiro before the final selection....
total concentration in the corner 👀
Exactly. BUTT, Urokodaki didn't want to teach him, because he didn't want Tanjiro to go and die in the selection. That's why he gave him an impossible task
@@mahistv so because he didn't want to die, he didn't teach him something to help him not die
@@mahistvwouldn’t teaching him recovery breathing prevent that aswell?
Recovery breathing; am I a joke to you?
@@jonathan9044 essentially, if he couldn't break the boulder, or be strong enough to go to final selection, he wouldn't go into the final selection to probably die
The Slayer Corps is literally a Fast Food Farm. They keep making these guys and sending them to their deaths 😂😂😂😂 no wonder the moons had trouble getting stronger from eating them. This is '' KFC no Yaiba''
That's a good point!
They are more like Nijisanji tbh
@@gerdanbombalesbruuuuuuuh, at least the Dem Slayer corps are trying to do good
Same logic can be applied to Attack on Titan scout members. Most of them are useless
@@computerscience1101 True and it gets worse when everyone gets a power up in the final seasons. people like armin ,connie,jean and company should have just died cause to take out that many scouts is just ridiculous. one of the many reason my i had to accept that im too old to play dumb.
I think it would make more sense if all the breathing styles were under the care of a clan (like the Rengoku family) in service to the Ubayashiki, then each family would provide a member with great talent as a pillar and some servants who have learned the breathing style as soldiers.
Just make it so 1 Hashira dedicates a few days a month to train a group of people, while the rest are hunting. They can rotate and it won't stop the demon slaying process.
@@mahistv The problem is that the corporation is not organized like an army, but functions more like a gang and the pillars mostly behave like disturbed teenagers.
A dinastic organization and feudal stile recruitment and mobilization? that's to much for the author
@@thereynaldosan7695 Well the series is extremely popular anyway, I guess the author realized it was a waste of time thinking about such things.
Meanwhile, an extremely powerful breathing style was invented by some orphan in the mountains
Funding is another question. Where do they get money to pay all the slayers. I mean the Hashira at least should ern quite a bit if Rengoku could buy all of the vendors bentos just for fun, never mind train tickets for 4 members
There is a good video on how much they make and it's a lot. I can't recall who made it.
But we are told Kagaya is using his "foresight" to somehow make good business decisions and earn money
Ah, that is because Ubuyashaki family have an ability to predict the future, you can see that in the manga when the boss literally knew when Muzan was going to come, so he basically prepared a new breathing style for him
Nuclear breathing
First form
KABOOM
Na, now seriously, because of this ability the Ubuyashaki family have the ability to invest and know when a business is going to be successful, so that's how they are able to keep going the corps
Kagaya is good at gambling
Generous beneficiary previously saved
@@flokithemad3273I think I heard somewhere that demon slayers actually get paid quite a lot, especially if they're at the Hashira level. It seems that the Hashira set their own prices for payment, so they're not risking their lives for nothing. It turns out I had the wrong idea about their pay - they actually make quite a lot. Every Hashira gets their own mansion, so it seems like they're compensated well for their work.
The answer is relatively simple, and that is; the corps simply SUCKS at doing its own job until a unit from the past shows up. What’s worse is that the Hashiras happen to be the most mentally deranged people out of anyone in the organization. Their mistreatment of the Kamado siblings says enough about their insecurities and arrogance.
I would love to see you do a video discussing the mentality of notable character in the series, just so we can see how things would've turned out if the story's cast acted differently.
That's exactly my point in the Demon Slayer Corps Sucks video!
i agree but dont put rengoku gyomei and giyu in that insecurities and arrogance
Mistreatment how?
Yeah, they all kind of seem uptight when you first meet them, especially considering that Tanjiro was really injured and immediately put on trial. It makes them look bad, really bad. We know that he was injured and hadn't fully healed from his previous battle with the first demon. Then they went on to beat him up, which is even worse given his injuries. Also, the kid got knocked on the head, so he probably has a concussion. It's unfair to expect him to defend himself in a trial while in pain. I understand that the pillars can possibly bounce back from any injury, but he's not there yet. He can't do that. It really annoys me that they introduced the pillars like this.
I mean what happens when you put together a trope of traumatised children with no parents to care for them, and tell them to go kill demons in their spare time. It wouldn't make sense if they were normal people with reasonable personalities. The only person who is somewhat reasonable is Shinobu because she grew up in an educated household with parents and they had only died somewhat later into her life. Most other backstories except Mitsuri's clearly show them being smaller children when tragedies hit.
To me what really exposed the anime were two things, one when they were fighting the demon that controlled the demon slayers was there no 9th rank 8th rank 7th rank ect that could have helped? The only slayers worth anything are the hashiras and / or tanjiros little group with one or two more give or take. This made the slayers' corps feel more like just a few group of guys rather than an actual organization. This was further exposed in the training arc where we saw no one but tanjiro passing the training literally no one else could keep up with him I was thinking where are all the other guys that out rank tanjiro? What are they doing? Lol
I think tanjiro started a week ish later so everyone comptent already had moved on
@@betareyalp yeah during the waterfall scene during Gyomei’s training, that one guy told Tanjiro that it took him a week to pass the first part of the training. So if Tanjiro was a week late, then that means a lot of people had already moved onto other training
Remember how Daki said she killed multiple hashira. That means that average hashira would scale to only half of upper 6.
Your expectations are scewed because your seeing some of strongest hashira in history and comparing them to hashira who have demonstrated no feats
@Mapple-qp6yg wrong that not what I'm saying at all. Lol I'm not making any comparisons, I think you responded to the wrong messege.
@@kingjabon if the average Hashira is only as strong as Upper Moon 6, at what point in this series would other demon slayers have any reason to participate?
Against lower moon 5? Against lower moon 1? After that point no ranked slayers make a difference at all
“Demon slayer corp”
JUST SUCKS AT BEING A CORP
They are pretty good at turning corps into corpses though
@@mahistvsomeone please teach the newbies anything that’s NOT JUST WATER BREATHING
@@ketchup_oreo the main problem is that different people are suited for different breathing styles
so the corp does not know what breathing styles they are suited for but water breathing can be used by everyone though since it sucks no hashira ever shows themselves using water breathing, tanjiro showed us two breathing styles in a episode (i forgot which episode it was but i think it was in the entertainment district arc) sun breathing and water breathing + tanjiro also never used any others breathing aside from sun breathing and the water breathing which every can use and that's why hashira's don't use other breathing all because their body is only designed for one breathing styles, even yorichii could never use another breathing style, only sun breathing
I'm so glad people are talking about this. It bugged me so much that we never saw any new decent slayers in this training arc. Plus all of them are guys
Like where are the adults in their 30s and 40s along with female slayers that wasn't that one chick from Mt Natagumo
That's what we do here!
@@patrickadetola4153 Why would there be adults in their 30s or 40s in an organization that's fighting demons daily? Not to mention how the demons, until the story kicked off in the end, were consistently WINNING for hundreds of years with no upper moons dead. It makes total sense for everyone to be young and clueless because all the older slayers have already been killed while hunting demons, you'd either need to be absurdly strong or absurdly lucky for that.
They lack large numbers of females for the same reason any organisation that is fighting a lot. Women just are less suited for fighting. Sure, breathingstyles help to mitigate that, but even breathing requires an extremly strong body. I imagine very few girls to be capable of becoming a Slayer, let alone willing. That only shows why Mitsuri is such a beast. She can keep up with the men, even becoming a hashira. But i would guess, that most women either dont want to become a slayer or are incapable of becoming one.
Lack of women is pretty much accurate considering the time it took place (Taisho Era). Women are mostly put at the back end during those days
i am suprised that there was no hashira training like earlier
some good hearted hashira like rengoku and mitsuri for sure would have a hashira training arc whenevr they arent on missions
BUT IT COULD BE TOO MURDEROUS FOR SLAYERS
I don't think that part was thought through that much
Chapter 130, it stated that the Hashira were always too busy. It took all the demons disappearing for them to orginize this training session
There's actually people who trained with Mitsuri under Rengoku but they ran away
@@arklainne9365 oh yeah i forgot
THEIR TRAINING IS TORTURE
They managed to train Tanjiro during his recovery period after the Spider demon. For sure there are other slayers who managed to survive other demon attacks. But why only Tanjiro was trained?
One of the worst part about demon slayer is they made a big deal about the various ranks you can achieve only to make them all pointless except hashira. Classic Anime plotholes.
Yes, they totally forgot about it
JJK was better in showing the varying power level of each rank.
6:39 Very true! You can’t go into a fight thinking you’re going to lose, especially if you’re fighting something that’s trying to kill you.
100%
It’s just bad world building. JJK does this concept a bit better since curses are born in the modern day and are supposedly responsible for most disappearances and murders. That makes sense because modern Japan has WAY more people than Taisho Japan and the Jujutsu society is pretty small to match the small number of curses, with a few heavy hitters like Gojo, Yuki, and Yuta at the start of the series that can take on the stronger curses.
Comparatively, the corps has a literal army of people and there’s demons seemingly spawning every five seconds. The demon population also makes little to no sense because muzan displayed a clear distaste for even just the lower moons. Why would he allow weaklings like the swamp or entrance exam demons to survive in mediocrity when they clearly don’t benefit his goals of finding the blue spider lily or eliminating slayers? They’re not talented enough to become moons and he should be able to figure that out by a few months at most before killing them and reabsorbing his blood.
It would make more sense if muzan himself had a delegated structure, where singular strong demons would have their own “territory” to look for the lily and eliminate slayers. Imagine if every Japanese prefecture has just one strong lower moon level demon guarding it with the upper ranks having dominion over the entire country. That makes the slayers job’s infinitely harder and adds structure to muzans operations allowing for greater efficiency and less needless incidents that create more slayers. For a guy who’s lived for hundreds of years you’d think he’d have figured this out eventually.
Comparatively the slayers are also poorly organized. If breathing is a thing then they should just establish a school where they can bring prospective slayers to train them. If they can hide shinobu’s mansion and the sword smith village I think they should be able to hide that + that makes creating hashira level fighters a lot easier if retired hashira can just work there to raise the next generation. Also there’s no division of responsibility. They have ranks but it’s not clear if they just assemble into squads or divisions based on who has seniority at any given incident or if they have a dedicated system for it. For an organization this large it should’ve been pretty easy to establish this but we never really see it.
muzan isnt the only one that can give blood and weak demons dont get his attention unless there at least lower moon lvl or say his name so there the most free demons as muzan doesnt expect anything out of them and muzan losing blood doesnt effect him so having weak demons around to distract slayers because of his 400 year long ptsd helps otherwise what you said is so true but tbh if muzan was smart demon slayer would end on the episode tanjiro and muzan locked eyes all bro would have to say is kokushibo help me
regarding Muzan, it's likely he doesn't care whether the non-Kizuki demons die or not. He'll simply create demons to wreak havoc and even weaker demons will be allowed to survive whether or not Muzan has need of them. He may find a random demon with a blood demon art to be useful for his current needs, which is why he employed Susamaru and Yahaba to hunt down a slayer even though they weren't Kizuki and continuously employing Nakime for the Infinity Castle, well before she became Upper Moon. But once a demon becomes a Kizuki, there needs to be some level of utility for them to remain in their position. Which is why Muzan got fed up with the Lower Moons but didn't bat an eye towards non-Kizuki demons and even gathered them all to the Infinity Castle. Additionally, Muzan might really just not care about setting up his own organization excepting the Twelve Kizuki as the other demons are merely fodder to sow chaos and mask his and the other Kizuki's movements while looking for the Blue Spider Lily and the Ubuyashikis.
Muzan is just an idiot, don't think too much about it
If I was muzan, I would be using the fodder demon slayers to turn and make them stronger like with upper moon 1.
I got a lot of complaints about JJK but I think the one place where it hits the nail on the head is how effectively it establishes WHY these high school freshmen with like a week’s worth of experience are being sent in to do dangerous fieldwork: there simply aren’t enough sorcerers to go around. The two biggest sorcery schools in Japan both have single-digit student populations, and I get the impression that there’s no more than a hundred professional sorcerers and trainees in the entirety of Japan.
3:29 Based on what they walked into with Rui, they send in waves to keep the demon in place for someone like a Hashira.
I don't think that's a good strategy
@@mahistv HORRIBLE strategy, considering every human death just makes the demons stronger.
@mahistv I didn't imply it was, there were a lot of dead rookies there. Many fully spider-fied.
Worked for the Red Army XD
@@mahistv Reminds me of the Halo lore where the UNSC decided that Spartan IIs were too expensive and time-consuming to produce, so they created the Spartan-III program, where they can make cheaper (but relatively inferior) super-soldiers at a faster rate.... with the intent of sending them on suicide missions
i think they never receive pior training before the exam bc inosuke with no one recommending him was able to attend exam no issue. Most slayer just heard about the exam and join it without any real training bc they were on fume from having their families killed by demon
No way, because they all would need a nichirin sword before attending the exam, which can only be attained through someone connected to the corps. Inosuke was just lucky to find a person who was going to that exam.
@@mahistv Of course they would still need to know someone in the corp to know about the exam in the first place. What im saying is they could have obtain a sword through this person without actually getting trained like inosuke. Some of them could have picked up the sword from the fallen slayers and some of them may pass the exam through different means either by hiding or immobilizing the demon. Nonetheless its still headcannon
@@minhluong6875you’re actually right
@@minhluong6875 But nonetheless, how did they survive the exam then?
@@jayb8934 Either hiding or they at least manage to immobilized the demon somehow. Even if they pass this exam they can still choose to fall back to be a support whenever they want to. Since the death rate of these slayer are low according to the video and not much slayer survive the exam i can see some of them pass by pure luck
I personally hate how they only ever mention the power hierarchy when it's relevant to tanjiro. I can barely remember anything if it's not a hashira
Cause there is nothing to remember lol. Murata is the only normal slayer with a name
@@mahistv Obv, the strongest slayer needs a name
I love demon slayer as much as anyone else, but i always felt that the world building was lacking and this video exemplifies that. Thank you
Also the characters have no depth and there is no long term issue
Maybe it makes more sense if you add inefficiencies. For starters, every time a demon slayer gets in a fight they sustain enough injuries that they're in recovery for months and thus only a percentage of them are on active missions at any one time. Also, one would assume not every mission results in a fight - maybe the demon escapes, or maybe it was a false alarm to begin with.
Murata oneshots muzan
We wish
Murata being based as usual
Murata needs to stop making One Punch Man and one punch Muzan
Galaxy Breathing is too overpowered
Slayer Corps is a textbook example of your high turn over rate corporations. They are always looking for applicants but only unicorns can actually climb the ranks. Unless you’re naturally gifted. The fact that Murata is considered one of the top slayers, with him knowing how to only use 2 forms of water breathing, says a lot about the average slayer: most probably only know 1 or 2 forms.
There is another thing to note about the world building: I think the author originally meant for this series to be a long one with many side characters introduced as Tanjiro slowly climb the 10 ranks up to Hashira. And I think whoever is managing the author decided that they want her to churn out immediate plot points to sell more manga, thus the original long series idea was scrapped and we got this instead.
I always thought the same, especially when they randomly introduced the rank system in one episode. It was interesting to learn about, but then it was never brought up again. I only knew about two or maybe three ranks, so I had to look up the names of the others. The only rank that's constantly talked about is "pillar."
@@madisonyomans9004the ranks only exist to give tanjiro and co arbitraty ranks up. The only 3 ranks you need to now is Hashira, Plot armor, and fodder
Apparently the story had to be cut short because the author was having health issues and family emergencies. So understandable but damn the missed potential man.
I can definitely see it was supposed to be a longer paced story, especially with the slow start with Tanjiro slaying low tier demons and the introduction to ranking systems and such.
The series ended before we saw him use Water Breathing: First Form, 10,000-fold
Long story short: Unique design=chosen one
Or at least useful
Sabito saved Giyuu which was the single most hashira in the series.
For sure. I just wonder what happened to other people like Murata
I want to believe there’s more skilled fodders out there but I’m betting we won’t see any of that and we’ll just focus on the Hashira and the main cast
I pray they will show regular slayers killing regular demons in the movies
Well I guess I got bad news for you man
I always interpreted the master saying his "number of children grew" as as an increase in the total number fo demon slayers ever, not the total number in this instant, since someone doesn't stop being your kid if they die. (I know the slayers aren't actually his kids but the emotion is the same)
Genuinely amazing work. The video style is entertaining and flows well. I am suprised you dont have 10x more subscribers
Thank you, I really appreciate it. At the rate we are going, hopefully we will break 50k by the end of the year
One of my problems with Demon Slayer is there aren't many mid teir characters. Like for example Bleach has Ikaku, Yumichika, Renji, Rukiya, etc. Demon slayer just have the Hashira and then cannon fodder, the main Trio, and Kano, then cannon fodder.
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying
I like your analysis. Although it's a great show, people often can't critically break down the show like that. That's why so many people out there are oblivious to many failures of our modern story-telling era and its works; They are quick to call almost anything they enjoyed a "masterpiece". Reality is as much as the animation and graphics can be mind-blowing, the world building can have many flaws and can drag the overall show down. This applies to Demon Slayer, but MANY other shows out there as well.
Agreed, we need more critical thinking
This. Kaiju no8 is the new 'masterpiece' shone that applies to this. More than 160 chapters in not a single question answered about world or even no8 itself. The story just incoherently puts together flashy fight sequences with cool finishing poses and people call it a masterpiece.
It will literally become the demon slayer of the 2020s.
I realy hate that there is no more powerfull character the character are tanjiro squad ,hashira
And then other are lowest level 😭
Fr
Yeah, it's not great
A note about Tanjiro being assigned a lot of demons: Ubuyashiki could have been assigning those missions directly. Using his foresight, he may have seen that Tanjiro was going to grow into someone powerful. I think this would have been a cool way to make his early mission density make more sense
I'm sure that's exactly how it works
There might be a Kinoe water breather, cause when Giyuu broke his sword, Sanemi took out a sword with a Deep blue colour to give it to him.
I didn't notice that, maybe there are
Bro your worldbuilding analysis are great as literature classes. Knowing what not to do isn't complete without learning what is the solution to the exposed errors.
Thank you. I actually wanted to make a series of videos on the topic starting with my video on the villains. Didn't take off sadly, so it put it off for a while
@@mahistv Guess a dedicated playlists will be enough
The slayer corps do not teach yoi breathing or sword art or actual good combat training. These demon slayers are just raw dogging it and are above average civilian
Which is terrible if you want to succeed as an organization
Yet another brilliant video in the books MAHIS!
Thank you bro, glad you're still enjoying!
I've also always found the supposed number of demons a little awkward since Muzan has to make them all personally, while also seemingly juggling multiple lives/false identities.
Well, as we saw in Asakusa (I think that's the city from ep 7/8) it's not that hard
It's effectively Sabito's fault that murata is alive, which is hilarious 😂
Well, Giyu turned out alright
6:35 "thinking I'd win yields better results than shivering my timbers"
Zenitsu: "Hold my crow"
Well, he is 50/50 there
This seems to be the exact same issue as with storm troopers from star wars. Both demon slayers and storm troopers are supposed to be strong in the lore. But are entirely weak and clumsy in practice for no reason whenever you see them on screen.
The 2018 Solo movie showed that there are Imperial infantry units seemingly ranked even *lower* than Stormtroopers, further adding to their "prestige"
I love bro’s voice it’s so great for these type of videos informational videos, I mean
Thank you, that means a lot, considering I hate listening to myself
Incredible video, please continue to make more
I appreciate it and will continue for sure! (funny thing is, I think this video didn't turn out as good as I wanted)
14:28 ah the solo leveling method, evaluate the dungeon, assign it a grade and now send a summon for the respective grades to handle it. Leave the S rank hunters alone unless the dungeon has been evaluated as catastrophic and send in B/C rank regularly in high numbers for the lowest dungeons.
the slayers CAN use breathing, even Murata has a breathing style, Constant is what the Hashira use, it's literally like the most advanced thing a slayer can learn
I'm curious how much talent has to do with a slayer's overall success. Because I was thinking perhaps the reason the average Slayer's seam so weak is because they don't have the talent to get better. Perhaps they have enough talent to join the corps but not enough talent to actually climb the ranks. Or maybe most slayer's don't have the right mindset for extreme growth like the hashira might have.
I think it has to be mostly talent, given how little they are being taught. Muichiro, Inosuike, Gyomei, Sanemi were completely natural for example
Even if they don't have talent, they don't have BASIC combat well...basics, don't close your eyes, don't flinch too easy, take out your sword when your teammate starts skezzing out and takes out his own instead of waiting until he slashes you, AT LEAST PUT YOUR FUCKING HAND ON IT
@@mahistv I don't even know why the Jujutsu Kaisen world even bothers calling their institutions "schools;" kids with superpowers just show up and immediately get sent out to kick some ass
Am I the only one who confused about mitsuri joining the slayers like hello how did she even find out about the core?????
kagaya told her
I thought she encountered Rengoku?
It's possible that the current corps is still in the process of rebuilding, resulting in resulting in rushed training from other cultivators to send more bodies to the final selection and hope that they can survive to add fodder into an organization to buy time for the development of better swordsmen. It was mentioned elsewhere that the corps was already on the verge of annihilation but managed to survive. We don't really see how the other cultivators trained their swordsmen so we won't know how good or bad their training was. We can be sure that a Hashira-turned cultivator won't skimp out on training like how Jigoro and Urokudaki trained their trainees. We can also speculate that all or most of Urokudaki's trainees were powerful based on Sabito's, Giyu's, and Tanjiro's performance. Speaking of other cultivators, Murata was trained by an unknown cultivator and we know that he's a Water Breather mostly from the game. If Murata's the image of the average slayer, we can speculate that most slayers will display nearly the same competency and will likely have been trained by the same level of cultivator.
As to why a lot of them survive to be fodder for more powerful demons, it can be assumed that higher ranking non-Hashira slayers typically lead teams of lower-ranked slayers on missions and that this is the most common unit deployment, typically resulting in reduced casualties. We can see this in Mt. Natagumo and the Rengoku side story. As slayers are operating in teams against a single demon, the number of demons killed per slayer is likely low. Talented individuals like Tanjiro's batch are more likely to be deployed alone to certain missions as they seemed to have the skills to do so after seeing their performance in the Final Selection. The only time teams will be formed from more talented slayers is to be reinforcements for an ongoing battle, deployment to a high-risk area, or as assistance for an even-higher ranked slayer, like Tengen recruiting Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu for the Entertainment District mission.
What I can use to justify that they're rebuilding the organization with weak members operating in small units to fill in the gaps is that most on-screen slayers are depicted as having dull gray blades, which is the case for slayers who have no talent for the sword, like Genya. Breathing users are likely a minority with other unnamed users only having the same proficiency as Murata.
I think one important thing is the lack of trainers. There aren't gonna be many survivors or retired slayers, meaning very little people to train newer younger people.
What's most likely happening is that people hear of demons or are affected by them, and they learn to swing a sword and think they are good enough to which natural selection will have a fucking field day.
Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Kanao got lucky being trained by Hashira. If not, they would have probably fallen into a similar cycle
They should have Keeped atleast one Hashira in the Base to Train Everyone and Also make a Power Test besides the Florest of Death Exam
Or just rotate them
bro i love the editing style its nice to see funny memes from older animes! (soul eater index and such)
i loved the vvideo well written interesting and ez to follow! ez sub
You “only” need to slay 50 demons to become a hashira. If you’re killing 4 a month it will take less than a year to become a hashira. So either they aren’t killing more than 4 a month or the life expectancy of a slayer is like 6 months.
My point exactly. Hashiras are head and shoulders above everyone else and that's why there are little left for other people to slay.
@@mahistv Thats not the case you have to get 50 kills at the highest rank. Not just any.
I think its a case of planning with missions probably rated on risk, low risk ones given to newest demon slayers to help them grow, high risk ones going straight to hashira and this leaves a big inbetween of like 200 slayers who get no regular experience or training, and I think there are a lot more demons than you suggest but there attacks are in patterns which most people don't recognise over a longer time. Often with groups of demons in 1 area
Then why did we have 2 random guys with 2 hashira in S4? OK, that one is not canon. But what about Mt Natagumo?
I was here before the beginning.
Me too
Well done!
yes and also most of the weaker members were not trained by former hashira or lived in harsh conditions
And they should be trained
Hey I wish you would do a longer form video about how you would create the demon slayer corps and put all of this information in one place.
Thank you, but I struggle to make these videos already at a decent pace, so 12-20min format it is
The Demon Slayer Corps is terribly organised. The former Hashira let students into the Final Selection before they're strong enough to fight even weak, starved small fry - even Inosuke, who had no instructor, and Genya, who couldn't use Breathing, was stronger than them. Why aren't they teaching Slayers pack tactics and strategy? Why are 99% using swords and ignoring the entire arsenal humans developed over millenia? And how the hell did Shinobu, who cannot deal finishing blows to high level demons, get made a Hashira?!
The sword answer likely comes down to demons rely too much on their regeneration thus they don't wear armor and any weapon that can't cleave well can't be a demon slayer's primary weapon unless their a specialist, like the Hashira that poisons demons.
@@anvos658 Swords are not the best weapon for fighting demons. Demons are faster and stronger than humans. Entering their reach is to risk instant death, and if you don't insta-kill them then and there, there is no reward. This is where polearms, like the naginata and the yari, would shine - perhaps with a sword as a secondary weapon for close quarters.
What happens if the Insect Hashira's poison doesn't work?
@@Spahki Pole arms have the problem that demons can do things to catch the polearm by taking trivial damage to them, that would be suicidal for a human combatant. Then add in you can't carry a polearm without drawing attention. The Katana they can conceal in their robes if need be or rely on people thinking their just people honoring the legacy of the samurai.
That demons have better reactions and speed than humans even more makes a pole arm less deadly to them, and that is before you account for at their strength they could likely yank a polearm out of a slayer's hands, meaning now you have a demon with a polearm and you a mortal human have a sword.
Then add in that demon slayers are using the upper level of to super human level strength and speed, which swinging a larger weapon with such forces they need to decapitate a demon could easily leave them off balance.
@@anvos658 Literal skill issues. It's like you're assuming the swordsman has skill and training but the polearm user has none. Basic footwork and spacing prevents a foe from being able to grab your polearm, and a proper stance allows you to maintain balance while performing a powerful swing. These are basics - and these problems are just as applicable to swords as they are to polearms. A demon could just as easily enter a swordsman's reach and catch the wrist if the swordsman doesn't maintain his space, and a swordsman who doesn't maintain his stance while swinging with all his might will still go off balance.
The only legitimate problem you mentioned is concealing the weapon; which is only a problem in crowds of civilians, which is only a problem because for some unexplained reason, the Japanese government didn't believe demons existed and didn't recognise the Demon Slayer Corps' existence. Only one altercation with a demon in a crowd of civilians is ever seen, and that was Muzan undercover - which didn't result in a fight, and only one altercation with government authorities is shown, when Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke were boarding the train - and they were still spotted with weapons and they just ran onto the train anyway.
Demons are predators, not hurricanes. They kill to eat, because killing too many brings too much attention. They will avoid crowds of witnesses if possible, and by the time a Slayer brings out their weapon, nobody's in any state to give a damn, because a monster just appeared and killed three people.
I don't think there's that many demon slayers by comparison to demons because if we go by Tanjiro's experience, the training to be a demon slayer takes at least two years and then you go through the final selection where most potential demon slayers end up getting killed. It's likely that many final selections happen at the same time and that we only saw the one that Tanjiro took part of but even then it would be a pretty reduced number.
With less demon slayers, there's also more pressure on the Hashiras to go out there hunting demons which leads to less time to train the ones that did survive.
Which is probably why instead of training large groups of demon slayers they have Tsugukos. Basically, they choose a particularly talented demon slayer to train and be their potential replacement in case something happens to them instead of wasting their limited time trying to get all of them to get to their level. And the training to be a tsuguko is so hard that there's hardly any good enough demon slayers that can endure it to begin with. Which is further proven by just how hard a regular hashira training program was shown to be.
Not to mention that the strict personality of some of the Hashiras makes even harder for them to find good potential replacements that could keep up with their training.
Training all of them would be ideal but not that easy of a task when you have to investigate every potential demon sighting and then send demon slayers to investigate until they either solve the issue or die in the process. Which also leads to a Hashira being send to deal with the problem like what happened in Mount Natagumo with Rui after the first group of demon slayers that was send got annihilated.
We also know that even if he hates it, Muzan actively turns people into demons in an attempt to get one of them to develop the ability to walk in the sun and that he can turn them into demons in an instant. So the number of demons being created is always larger because there's always demon slayers dying.
You also need to remember that most people don’t even know about demons so you need to get someone to know about demons actually want to fight them. Then actually be bothered to train. Find out about final selection, travel there from wherever you are, survive it in itself then after find someone who can improve your skill if not you just gotta learn and survive every encounter or make up your own breathing style. This is why most are fodder
but after 100 years there should be at least 2000 slayers, no way that theres less than 1000, even if they dont have many slayers, why even throw them into battle, most of the plans of the slayers are just to sacrifice all the pawn slayers to the stronger demon to keep em in place while waiting for strongers slayers even with rui they gotta send some useless slayers that they know wont beat him
@@mnam5822 the reason why they put them in battle is because they need to save people
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The numbers of the demon slayers are always decreasing due to the casualties caused by the missions. That's why the training and the final selection to be a demon slayer is required.
@@giboit. it decrease cuz of no trainings and some slayers survived the selection due to luck, in turn making the selection useless
From the persepctive of "Rui's sister", it seems like they are travelling in large groups and kill very low level, possibly newborn demons by ganking on them. Most newborn demons are probably on the level of the demon in the temple, even if the slayers suck, if there are six or seven of them, they can hack it to pieces. They probably find most demons in a very underdeveloped state, so they are succesful until they meet something at least on the level of the thing in final selection that feeds on Urokodaki's students, then they drop like flies.
I don't remember any unnamed character ever achieving anything in anime though (safe for AoT, there were a lot of background soldiers who achieved a lot).
I think the takeaway is:
what ever we consider basic, isnt really basic/requires some level of either experience or knowhow, which the respective masters/trainers of those bunch of soldier deem the grunts not able to learn OR the trainers themselvs aren't THAT much better, in this profession, if a average slayer manages to survive idk 2 to 5 years and win his fights i guess you can say they are experienced vets, but nothing near at the level of a lower moon even.
I mean, EVEN IF all ur battles against normal ass demons are like life and death, and you ONLY win fights ending on u being either in a coma for some time or stuck on a healing facility for months, it still counts as wins, in a sense, it does not mater if the slayer is actually growing stronger, IF he can at least do the job of killing the average demon, even if it takes basically his life in the meantime, some of these demons are decades old, if you take some 14 yo put him in a year training and he manages to go 1 for 1 with said demon (killing but dying in the process) i think the slayer corps is wining, right?
on the other hand, you can assume all of these slayer grunts ARE using the very basics AT LEAST, and that only goes to show HOW STRONG these surviving demons are getting, or itsa mirror to show how strong demons are compared to even trained slayer, and that tanjiro & crew are REALLY outstanding, i mean in a hundreds of soldiers ''army'' you got like what? 10 ppl that are actually able to win consistently? i think its reasonable if you believe that the average demon is WAY stronger then the slayers.
I think because the ranking was going to be expanding and in-depth with the appearance of lower moon demons. But we know what happened to them 😅.
I remember the author wanted to do the lower moon arcs, but upper management asked her to nix the idea
I love your content dude have a good day
Thank you, so glad to have you in the community. Have a good day too
Credit to the author that she thought up a very interesting world, but her actual storytelling and world building leaves a lot to be desired. Ufotable has flattered and elevated the (paper thin) source material.
No hate to any of the people who work on the show nor the writer but this anime does NOT make sense in writing at all. The numbers of plot holes are near uncountable, character developments are non existent, world building is worse than a toddler building lego, and there are more problems as well. I think Demon Slayer is just a show that u can just shut your brain off and enjoy the action, that's why there's only 1 good hashira training episode (imo) that is episode 8 because it had a lot of action and story impact.
Demon Slayer gets carried so hard by Ufotable's godlike animation it's not even funny. No hate to the show itself, but its only redeeming qualities are the incredible action scenes and that it's actually pretty funny.
I literally almost dropped the show when the author said "The breathing techniques are purely visual"
How does that make sense in a world where demons and magic exists? The fact 1. Zenitsu threw lightning 2. Flame breathing doesn't make sense "Oh oww I can feel the heat radiating from his sword just being near it" no the f*k you don't 3. Tokito's mist breathing somehow makes it "as if there's mist around him" and the explanation by the author was his MOVEMENTS. He MOVED WEIRDLY. The demon that killed 20+ of hashira couldn't see, and was killed by a guy who moves weirdly. The demon was hallucinating images of this dude and that was the explanation. I'm done bro
@@notlightbeam4889 Im fine with the breathings being visuals. You should look at mostly pure physical shonens, because they work. Mysticism and imagery are valid.
Here it doesn't, because the visuals are treated as actual magic (like you mentionned). The visual effects are WILDLY different but the styles have 0 gameplan differences, 0 choregraphy differences, 0 unique mechanics. They blend together except for thunder in choregraphy.
I read an older manga named Claymore, it's about a demon slaying organisation of women.
Every claymore can power up one or several part of their body with energy, they all use the same big sword, they all can see body energy to different levels. It gets creative enough to give 20+ active claymores a gimmick.
Demon slayers have none of that despite affirming style differences the most.
@@glatykoffi6672 I'm not fine w it bro especially rewatching the show when Tanjiro breaks his fall with IMAGINARY WATER when normally he'd just slice through the ground. With good writing the author could've easily just said the nichirin swords bring out a special ability and people use breathing styles to harness it. No, instead it's these stupid plotholes that could easily be fixed by just saying it's physical. Half of it doesn't even need to be imaginary either. Wind breathing cutting people from range, thunder breathing moving at the speed of sound etc. The author just messed up saying it's purely imaginary.
Now do a video about the claymore organization
Its kinda similar but you have a concrete number of active claymores doing active job which is 47 in 1 continent
I don't think calculating how many demons in Japan by seeing how many demons tanjiro killed in season 1 is a good idea because what if tanjiro was send to an area that have more demons than others areas
Tanjiro never saw a demon in his life (until muzan appeared) and mitsuri had a good life while gyomei had to prepare those flowers every single night
Also we know that not everyone can learn breathing style sanemi brother failed to learn stone breathing and went to American breathing
Thats why I never used him as an average and just ran numbers that seemed to fit the lore.
About Breathing. Yes, but then we have Urokodaki who taught at least 3 people Water Breathing, which means he is either very lucky to have those students or that breathing is more "teachable" than we think.
Genya literally never left Japan, have you read demon slayer??
@@theonetruefusion8533 I think they are referring to using a gun as “American breathing” lol
Even if Genya not being able to use breathing isnt a side effect of his weird unexplained demon eating power, You can still teach them Total Concentration breathing.
@@vizard7548 It's not unexplained, you just haven't read demon slayer
his constitution allows him to eat demons
The Corps should have been efficient like Japanese Imperial Demon Army from Seraph of the End. There all soldiers get their powers from Cursed Gear which enhances their physical abilities and allowing them to take on regular Vampires. Whilst the MC and his team of course get special cursed gear allowing them to fight Noble Vampires who are vastly stronger.
That type of world building and power structure and hierarchy makes a lot of sense and even gives regular soldiers time to shine and fights vampires, whereas Demon Slayer it’s not the case for regular slayers.
Some people are generational slayers their fathers were slayers and so were they
That's a good point. Rengoku can't be the only clan
Ayyy this editing is cracked gj!
A Brazilian samurai once said:
You deny your weapon its purpose___ 🇧🇷🇯🇵
Oof... that's a burn
Brazilian samurai, is that jetstream sam
I noticed that the Hashiras can take in a disciple to teach and have then replace their position. At first I was like "cool" but then i realized why not teach multiple people? That way they can boost the quality of the slayers, and not have them become fodders
Yeah, they have this excuse of killing demons nonstop, but it doesn't fly if you actually think about it
Yo Mahis it's been pointed out to me by a friend about breathing styles for regular slayers
Murata said that his water style was still shallow thus not getting the needed requairments for it to have the visual effect
so that means that they kinda know about breathing styles but its just a skill issue on their part
Interesting, though how did Murata get water breathing? Must be someone else besides Urokodaki
@@mahistv well yeah I dont think it is said how he got to know them so we cant say about other slayers but still they are supposed to know them
@@mahistvIt's odd because I'm pretty sure it's stated water breathing is the most common style and majority of the generics use it but where do they learn?
I love this show but I love your commentary though . Makes me laugh all the time
Thank you, I'm glad you're having fun
If All the Slayers had Hashira Level and also had the Mark , All the Demons would be Doomed
Not really. If I was in Muzans shoes, I'd still win as long as I have Nakime
@@mahistv Yes , but they won with WAY LESS Hashira Level Slayers , and diferent of you Muzan is Dumb
@@ZangetsuGetsuga7muzan negs the entire corps even if they all have marks. hes just that strong
@@lukechai4663 I mean More than 100 Hashira Mark Slayers , with the Shinobu and Tamayo Poison
@@ZangetsuGetsuga7 muzan with his 1 ankle snapper attack is wiping them all. a extremely weakened and tired muzan managed to severely damage the hashiras. If this is full power muzan with inf stamina no nerfs, he’s clapping them all
I like the nuanced analysis
You are in the right place (mostly)
1:00 Yeah pretty sure Kanao is the only one with a good footwear/shoes for combat
Don't forget Muzan, his drip is always on point and practical
I like demon slayer but I do wish they would take more time to flush all these flaws out
in matter of fact it might as well be the entire demon slayer corps cannon characters vs the entire demons
I mean... you're not wrong
Also for the number of demons you have to remember a lot of them go on missions together
That's the one I can't wrap my head around, some people go solo, some in groups. And sometimes that 1 person is not enough but a group is an overkill
just say bad writing bro
Great video!
The way I see it there are four things to consider
1: As far as I can tell, the bulk of demons milling about are fledglings only relatively stronger and faster than a normal strong human. This would be why Tanjiro could scrap with one before he met Urokudaki, and why Sanemi was able to hunt them without training. So the average slayer isn't going to be facing demigods at every encounter
2: Urokudaki's training standards are implied to be abnormally high, with him teaching the entire Water Style and requiring that his students need to be able to split large boulders before he sends them to final selection.
Tanjiro and Sabito were undoubtedly the best of their respective selections and blew the other applicants performances out of the water; so his methods are by and large superior, but they probably also take longer than most trainers are willing to spend.
3: Tanjiro sort of lucked into the knowledge of constant.
He heard about it while staying at Butterfly Estate and determined to learn it, and spread the knowledge to Zenitsu and Inosuke who aren't normal Slayers either. It was supposed to be extremely difficult to learn, and they likely only managed to do so as quickly because they had both help and several weeks of uninterrupted down time to practice in.
The other Slayers we see don't appear to have the same level of belligerent will that Tanjiro does which means they might quail at the training, and they might not have been in a position to get the kind of help he had.
They should still be taking steps to ensure that the rank & file are at least aware of the method, but I can understand if most wouldn't get the hang of it in short order
4: This is an outright headcanon, but consider that there weren't Samurai anymore.
Before the restoration there would have been an entire social class to draw recruits from that trained in swordplay from a young age, so the initial training would have been faster and built on an existing discipline, and even if they weren't the majority they would help to keep the general level of the Corps up. But by the time of the story the survivors of the last generation of Samurai-trained Slayers would all be about in their forties and fifties and most of their new recruits would be random people who had to be trained from scratch on a time crunch.
You also have to consider that there would be a significant difference between someone trained by a hashira (Tanjiro, Zenitsu and Kanawo) and someone trained by a decent demon slayer leading up to the final selection.
But i mean someone like inosuke was completely self tough
Fair. Which is why there should be a better way to train and test them
True but like, a non-trained, coal carrier boy tanjiro fought well agaisnt a demon with an axe, a basic slayer should have general combat ability
@@Dumbsourplum The demon Tanjiro fought was a very weak base demon with no bda he only won because of lucky circumstances and Nezuko saving him, besides their family were taught watered down versions of sun breathing and he’s like the second honored one in the series.
@@rodrigueajavon a guy who’s lived in the forest for a better portion of his life and surviving almost by himself is stronger than random guys whose families were killed, weirdly enough. Inosuke is literally a beast man, his whole character is that he’s wild like the animals he grew up with.
Compare to early season of aot..when survey cops actually a fierce and battle harden soldier
My point exactly
there’s those who are hashira, those who aren’t, those who aren’t but are not completely weak.
But honestly, it doesn’t even matter when the power system isn’t even developed, where the powers are actually just characters swinging their weapons around with some cool effects without a defined difference between each breathing technique and style. Lightning isn’t faster, Fire isn’t stronger, each stance is not actually unique to the breathing technique and style.
There is a bit of a difference, water is better for defense and fire or lightning is better for offence. I talked about it a bit in my video about DS weapons.
@@mahistv i will check it out then, because as of now all i see is some stances that look identical but named differently because they’re part of different breathing styles.
Not to mention how much more useful the crows should have been there's hella plot holes in dms
Agreed, they are very underused
Those bloopers made me laugh😂
Haha, pronunciation can be tough
Perhaps its just that the majority of these slayers werent trained by an ex-slayer but rather a normal swordsman, who wouldnt know the breath techniques. The final selections would basically be a platoon of trained soldiers walking into a fight with a demon and only a few coming out alive.
Also their ranks are honestly just Hashira and everyone else cuz you either a main character or you a black costume weakling.
Where are Kinoe /kinoto ranks that should be much more capable than the regular black costume
Agreed, I don't see any practical use for them in the current story
It seems like many fan-created characters for the franchise are Hashira-ranked slayers. This might be because Hashira is the only rank name that is frequently mentioned and familiar to fans. While a few other ranks are mentioned and a chart is shown in one episode, the series doesn't delve into all the ranks by name. As a result, Hashira is the label that's used most often. There are fan-created characters that don't hold the Hashira rank, but people usually don't bother to specify the character's rank if they're not a Hashira-ranked slayer.
I love videos like this. Authors or non-canon studios add all these training arcs things to add to the world building to make these worlds seem easily to get lost in, extend the story, or more real. In reality, one poke or gust of wind makes it all fall apart! 😂
Thank you, and yes, that's my beef with DS. It has a lot of cool interesting ideas, but as soon as you apply any amount of logic, it's GG
I just realized just how lucky the slayers got during the infinity castle arc, stop reading now to avoid spoilers.
Upper six didn’t even know how to use his bda and was only a demon for two weeks or smth, upper four was a support player, upper three killed himself, upper two didn’t take any of his fights seriously, and upper one debatably also killed himself. This goes to show how grossly underprepared the slayers were for the demons to attack them. Even though Muzan invading was a part of their plan, what if he brought the upper moons with him to kill the hashira while he dealt with the ubyashikies? They would’ve been fucked!
Correction. DS were lucky during the ENTIRE PLOT!
@@mahistv oh I know, I’m just saying that their luck was astronomical during the infinity castle.
@@corbangonzalez4935not only that, but I believe it's an Anime only scene of Obanai and Sanemi finding the Infinity Castle, and they just were somehow let go, which in itself does not make sense, the entire plot of DS does not make sense, I mean look at the character of Muzan(COWARDLY, dreads Immortality, has a superiority Complex, self entitled)
•Killing the lower moons did not make sense, for one he could have just brought them up near the upper moon level and sent them as a squad to get them stronger, but he didn't.
• after Yorichii died... The hell did he do? Like even if they have weakness to the sun, I'm pretty sure he couldve easily overthrown Humanity, but he doesn't... Why?
• He has his blood in Nezuko, yes? Why couldn't he just torture her through his cells whenever she went and "save the day" cuz pretty sure he's aware of what every Demons are doing, so No Tanjiro, No DS mark.
•after he had all his lower and upper moons, conquering Humanity would have actually been easier, hell just have them station from coast to coast and get stronger and produce more Demons, so it spreads like wildfire, again he doesn't.
• why only 12? If he can make upper moon like beings out of batshit nowhere... Why only 12? And why'd he make the other 6 weaker compared to the upper 6? Hell he can make them stronger, and y'know it.
•As soon as he recognized Tanjiro, why the hell was he not the one to kill him? The hell was the point of sending 2 goonz, 1 with actually good BDA that he just, didn't care about? Hell better than his own BDA and most upper 6.
•wouldnt enslaving Humanity to run experiments on them, than trying to live amongst them to find useless facts? Be better?
@@christianvictormariano1283 that’s why to me, kny works best as a show to watch with your brain turned off. It’s fun on a surface level, but when you actually think about it, it becomes infuriating how little of it makes sense.
Also consider that Muzan killed all the lower moons for basically no reason (other than pissing him off)
i absolutely agree with most things you say but i think the amount of demons that the corps hunt is a lot smaller in comparison to 14kish. adding in how many slayers get hurt on missions (and therefore need time off to recover), how certain missions need multiple slayers to complete, and how slayers die off incredibly quickly, the rate of demons slayers probably fluctuate a lot. idk maybe tanjiro got so many missions because the corps was going through a slayer drought considering the recent final selection only gave 4 new slayers, or maybe there arent ever more than 30ish slayers (including hashira) out hunting demons because of how many are badly hurt slayers get after missions
They are three types of ranks
1 hashira
2 coloured hairo
3 fodder
100% correct!
Regarding the training, most trainers are low ranked retired low level slayers.
Not everyone is trained by a former hashira and just look at it, even Urokkodaki did not teach Tanjiro about something as basic as constant.
So either that wasn't even a thing at his time as a an active member or he outright lied.
Actually Gotogue kind of explained that
Giyu and Murata passed the final selection the same time , Makomo around two years after during selection … and two years after it was Tanjiro , Zenitsu , Genya , etc
During the final selection of that year Sabito killed all demons except one . And the rest of them didn’t even kill many demons they just passed thanks to Sabito
Sabito was Giyu’s best friend so Giyu ‘s drowned in survival guilt and trained his ass off became very depressed and completely lack of social skills to even held a normal conversation because he felt so weak
While the others just … yeah …
No wonder the quality of slayers was going down because during that time many of them passed the final selection when they clearly was not ready
And also Spider Mommy is actually very strong ! She got her power through Rui . Rui is a lower moon and when he gave his blood towards his spider family he actually loses some of his powers . ( Rui didn’t care about strength like most demons , he is so fixed at connections and wanting to be loved and protected , it is said by Muzan every time Rui give out his blood if actually makes him weaker .
Basically the spider family has at least half of the power as a lower moon or even more because of Rui
So if makes sense than the slayers are dying like flies in spider mountain because they encountered demons that at least have half of the power of a lower moon and even more ..
And as tyrannical as Rui is … no wonder he gets all upset when his spider family leaves him and goes berserk , he basically felt abandoned , he probably felt betrayed after saving their lives and giving them powers to protect themselves while himself gets weaker as a result I would upset too .but sadly he didn’t realize that is his tyranny that drives his family away from him .
Also there aren’t actually that many Demons .. because Muzan is a coward that he is afraid his demons will surpass him and turn on him when they get too strong. That’s why he put cursed of them because he is sow afraid that his own kind turn theory backs on him and kill him when they get their memories back .And that’s why he never let Demons work in groups other than pairs ( without the curse I feel like the upper 123 4 together can easily defeat Muzan … because he was a coward and he is very careful with who to choose to turn into a demon . He wants them powerful enough to fight for him , but not powerful enough to defeat him
So I would assume the numbers of demons are actually… not that much
You totally made me laugh when putting the clip of slayers closing their eyes training with Muichiro lol
So true if they are so afraid of a 14 year old Hashira with a wooden sword how they gonna fight demons lol
This is a beautiful analysis 😂
Glad you like it!