As an Ohioan and in the Big 10, there is no one getting rid of any team in the conference. Ohio State isn't leading the charge to get rid of Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa Northwestern or Michigan State.
@tc699 ....what's funny is that..."Half the SEC and Big10 are nothing special" yet that "Half" you speak of is equal to the top half of the Bigxii. Especially now that players are gonna wanna play in the SEC and Big10 those bottom half teams will get better players just because they are in those conferences.....the Bigxii will get some good players but as soon as they have a good year they will transfer to the top 2 conferences. To be blunt....the Bigxii will be a "feeder" conference to the SEC and Big10.
@1682 Right now, the only special team in the $EC is Georgia. Okie State beat down A and M in their bowl game, and A and M is not one of the teams one could nor should classify as "nothing special." TCU beat Michigan in the playoffs just a year ago. The NIL xfer portal, has, is, and will continue to cut both ways. The best Tight End in the Big 12 xferred from LSU to WVU, better to start in the Big 12 than 2nd string in the SEC.. Facts suck
@@Central_Media3656 the "fact" I believe YOU are missing is....WHEN this is all Said and done there are gonna be 2 elite conferences.....period. Those conferences are gonna pay the most NIL money and will be a "feeder" to the NFL. Yeah some players transfered for playing time.....but WHEN THE SEC AND BIG10 BREAK OFF FROM THE REST OF THE NCAA....the Bigxii and the rest left out will be considered a Tier below and will the "feeder" schools for the SEC and Big10. This is FACTS and it sucks for your programs
As a Bama fan, i wanted to say that I am SO excited about this upcoming season! I'm not disappointed at all by the decisions they've made since Saban's retirement. Love that we will be the underdog this season!! Roll Tide 💪
More like a Big Two, Relevant Two. With the ACC and Big Twelve being allowed to tag along. Everyone else will just be relegated to fighting for maybe one team making the playoff, possibly two depending on if it's a fourteen or sixteen team model.
Yeah, you can shut up now. You're not important because you're not a leader in sports, you're just so weird person on UA-cam trying to pretend that you're important. No one respects your opinion.
Any future P2 sponsored basketball tournament would be an invitational that includes non-P2 teams, I can also see the wealthy P2 schools hosting national tournaments for non-revenue sports, similar to the Olympics.
It definitely looks like a 2+1 top tier is coming. All end up at 20-24 teams. Gives you enough schools for a D1 CFP 16 team tourney. But Big 12 will EASILY be above any G5 league no matter how people cry in the comments. The top 5-6 teams will absolutely reside in the P2. But A Big 12 school or two will rise the same way OU in Big 12 and Clemson did in ACC previously. Math is pretty obvious. 70M for the bottom half of the SEC where Big 12 top tier will make 50M. And can fanbase and donors make up 20M? Absolutely. BUT only for a very few schools. But top of SEC and B1G will make 100M and no one is touching that.
Big 12 is the third wheel on the date with the couple at the expensive restaurant. B12 is soooo awkward eating Grilled Cheese & coloring outside the lines while the couple are feasting on Ribeye and conversing on things that matter. B12 is just happy to be seated at the table while they still can. They seen what happened to the PAC12 kids throwing food at the table.
@@todddoyle2248 Yeah right! The B10 wants Miami and FSU! The SEC is already in the state of Florida with UF! Its redundant to the tv partners by adding FSU and Miami. Now, the B10 adding Miami and FSU is a different story! It gets the B10 in the South in the Biggest state with 2 national CFB brands in a state, they desperately would want to recruit even better!
The fact that ACC signed a binding GOR till 2036 but ESPN has an out in 2025 (and maybe more we don't yet know of) is just how stupid and panicked was that deal.
There may be both, but more recent events, etc. suggests it's a "look in" rather than a unilateral renewal. ESPN isn't likely to not renew, but a "look in" is bad news for the BIG12.
CFB power structures: 6 Teams in the SEC, 4 Teams in the B1G, FSU, Clemson....... Big XII and ACC... The rest of SEC and B1G... The rest of FBS... FCS... JUCO D2 and NAIA D3, JAFA, and U Sports (Canada)
Maybe so, but right now the Big12 is the fourth conference in the Power4, at least until FSU and Clemson leave the ACC. I mean a quarter of the Big12 was in the G5 two years ago, and another quarter was the second tier of the Pac12 (apologies to Utah, who was often overlooked.) I'm not sure a Big12-ACC leftover combination will help either one of them. Better to stay in 2 leagues and at least get 2 automatic bids to the playoffs instead of 1.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz BYU+3 were lingering outside of the then P5 for reasons. Media value is a function of both quantity and quality if viewers. This story is now over 3 years old.
If FSU/Miami/Clemson/UNC/GT/Louisville go to the Big 12, on top of the already good TV contract the Big 12 has, that would be a super solid league with the 4 texas based teams plus OK st. and all the other teams in the Big 12. Please let those 6 go to the Big 12. Sidenote, With UCF already there, if FSU and Miami join the Big 12 then the Big 12 dominates the state of Florida and the state of Texas as far as numbers go.
Why would FSU/Miami/Clemson go to the Big12 at all? The money is the same, but they would have to pay gigantic exit fees to leave. They are already in a league that's better than the Big12 today.
@@theoriginaldashriprock if the SEC and BIG can take 30 teams each I will agree with you. But, the money and spots will not work out. We need 3 conferences for this to work. And the ACC will not be the 3rd conference.
Lane Kiffin is about to do with Ole Miss what Howard Howard Schnellenberger/Jimmy Johnson did with Miami - early adopter at the dawn of a new era of college football.
P2 for sure. Big12 is nowhere near their level. They don't have any elite programs. There are teams that have had good seasons. Utah is the closest to an elite team.
For now, I'd have guess if BIG 10 and SEC move up to 24 teams each Utah would be one of the few in the Big 12 to have an offer extended to them. Possibly Kansas and Cincinnati as well.
@@todddoyle2248 UTAH and KANSAS would be high bubble schools. No chance for CINCY. For a 24 each B1G and SEC, I doubt any recently elevated G5 or any school that didn't make an original P5 will make a 48 team cut. All (now) P4 upper rights should be included, with STANFORD, CAL and DUKE being most at risk.
The alliance screwed it up? That’s garbage. Sankey wants to be the de facto dictator/commissioner the alliance was looking out for their interests just like sankey was looking for his when he poached TXand OK - sankey isn’t interested in being a team player for college athletics
@@milanphillips7492 Sankey's job is to make the SEC the best it can be, relying on its competitors to make similar efforts to keep overall athletics healthy. An ~48-team Tier 1 would likely increase parity at that level. The SEC's expansion goals will result in more losses among its football brands, but the conference will be better, more valuable, and more holistic overall. The B1G surely has similar goals, as should every conference.
I'm in the Big 10 (Ohio State). I think the ACC survives because Notre Dame will go to the ACC. (Before anyone asks, yes I know that Notre Dame is in Indiana. No we the BIg Ten don't want them. Just like you didn't want SMU even though they're in Texas.). I also don't think that FSU has the money to leave the ACC and the Big 10 isn't getting into an unncessary proxy war with ESPN when the Big 10 doesn't have an ESPN contract.
Who are you trying to convince the Big 10 doesn't want Notre Dame? We all know they want them. Only someone with an agenda would compare Notre Dame to SMU.
The B1G wants ND, but ND doesn't want the B1G unless the ACC heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G. ND could have assured a peer P3 by joining the ACC to prevent depletion, but it is betting on lite depletion or is simply delaying the inevitable. I doubt any ND official wants the move to the B1G to be part of his/her legacy.
The big 12 is on borrowed time and is a Frankenstein/survival conference full of 2nd tier teams and G5 teams. All Yormark has done is delay the inevitability of extinction. big 12 and Acc will not be much of power anything and more G5/G6 conferences once BiG and SEC expand and break away doing their own thing.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz Measured by estimated actual value and competitiveness, the ACC remains Tier 1. The new BIG12 is a slight step up from a mid. The numbers below are even worse than I would have guessed: 2015/16 - 2023/24 Final D-Cup Standings (2020 N/A): ACC: 23 Top 10, 48 Top 20 (includes ND, STANFORD & CAL) B12: 00 Top 10, 06 Top 20 (includes AZST, excludes TEXAS & TXAM) B1G: 26 Top 10, 45 Top 20 (includes USC & UCLA) PAC: 00 Top 10, 00 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA, STANFORD, CAL & AZST) SEC: 31 Top 10, 60 Top 20 (includes TEXAS, OK & TXAM)
For the big 12 to become a 3rd super they would have to pickup the top of the acc (Florida State, Clemson, Miami,North Carolina and talk Notre Dame into joining along with the current top 10-12 teams of the current big 12 to make a third 16+ team super conference. Doubtful it will happen, too many big wigs with too much pride to make it happen.
@@MercerKnowsBall I know it would never happen. To many egos. But it is the one way to fight what the BIG10 and SEC are doing. Make a 3rd conference with the blue bloods and big name/market areas that are left.
@@todddoyle2248 The BIG12's biggest brands have already left outside of KANSAS. The ACC would be better off waiting out the media deal. I'll play along, if something like this would happen, it would be the core ACC schools from Virginia down except WAKE + the 4Cs. Few if any of the other new BIG12 schools would be wanted outside of maybe KANSAS.
Saban could go get some experimental longevity treatments, start aging backwards, come back to 'Bama, coach for the next decade -- and over that decade, Alabama would not be what it has been. Because times have changed. Probably no team is ever going to have a run like that again. No one is going to be able to hoard players like that. But 'Bama Fan will no doubt blame everything on DeBoer when 'Bama has a 10-win season every few years, and gets knocked out of the playoffs in the first round every couple years, and only wins one title over the next 5 years.
There is no more feasible path to a peer P3. The new BIG12 is the remnants of the original BIG12/PAC plus some elevated G5s. We will either have a tiered P4 ~or~ a P2. A #3 BIG12 won't matter.
Must suck to know north Carolina will be trapped in the new g5 acc when all the good teams leave. Then all you will have is watching WVU beat you at home.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz Pitiful.... Both the SEC and B1G are waiting for UNC to be both willing and able to move. If UNC stays, only FSU leaves, and that ACC remains far better than the new BIG12. Must suck that WVU is likely doomed to Tier 2 status. It's unlikely that any school that didn't make the original P5 cut to make the P2.
It will still be the power 4.... B10 and SEC on top making 2x as rhe Big12. Who make 2x as the ACC, bit the gap between thr Power 2 and the Big12 is around 50M while the Big12 is only 25M more than ACC
You left out Oregon, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn st., and Ole Miss. Take any one of these 6. And they would be favored to win the big 12. Now add the 5 or 6 you listed. So how good is the big 12 really?
Teams will look at the Conferences and ask themselves, Can we get into the Playoffs ???? Just like TCU made a run and it paid them $3 Billion. It's all about getting in to the Playoffs.
@@davidtemple2831 The SEC's goal is to consolidate the valuable flagships in the greater Southeast along with other desirable Southeastern schools. Virginia down to Florida over to Texas would eventually put the SEC tops in most all sports and academics for the foreseeable. The eventual B1G would be a respected competitor.
5:55 .. "How many private jet companies have an interest ....." Answer: a few schools will have VERY beneficial relationships with private jet companies; if it tickles yer fancy, do some digging on Nebraska's relationship with NetJets (Warren Buffett) and Duncan Aviation. Frankly, I'm not entirely familiar with every detail, and I don't think it's a "highly" publicized thing, AND The Oracle hasn't necessarily been a huge, nor highly publicized donor to our Huskers, BUT having worked at one of those organizations, I would be very excited to hear what a diligent journalist might learn if they looked. (ignore the conspiratorial "scent" of those statements ... I don't suspect that it's improper in any way) There are a couple dozen jet leasing firms in the country, and their executives all graduated from SOMEwhere.
The best recruiting class in the Big12 this last cycle was Texas Tech at 25? Nebraska had a better class than that and they were like 5-6th in the BIG10. And the SEC has even more teams in the Top 25 in recruiting than the BIG10. The Big12 is honestly somewhere between the Power 2 and the Group of 5. The Big12 is a 2nd Tier Conference. Sorry.
I think ND and FSU to the big ten the two virgins schools and UNC and NCST to SEC and the Pitt Louisville Miami Duke Clemson and GT to the Big 12. Sorry to Syracuse Waje BC and the three new schools maybe they can create some sort of conference with Washington State Oregon State UConn and schools like Memphis Liberty USF SDSU and Tulane.
The Big 12 is part of whatever comes next,question is what about those not so desirable brands in the SEC and Big 10?...They are below most Big12 Brands....We will see?,it's going to be bigger than 30 or 40 schools no matter who likes it...Let's Go Big 12!
Indiana,Illinois,Northwestern,Rutgers,Ole Miss,MSU,South Carolina,etc...If you think those are better ?...Puff Puff Pass!...You know what just don't smoke anymore...I'm the delusional one...Yeah OK!
Every D1 program in America have made college football what it is,tell 80 or 90 schools they can't take part or have access and see how long it lasts. A lot of people will watch but most will not because it has no bearing on their school. Then let's see how much revenue those schools I mentioned along with Rutgers and Vandy bring in on their own when it goes to streaming....I love the game and my team,but I'll never watch another game that has nothing to do with me and I will not purchase bundles either no matter how cheap they get...Greed destroys everything....I equate it to standing on the deck of a boat and shooting at the enemy directly underneath you...jmho
@@paultoler4543 Over 50% of viewership comes from 19 teams. Majority of viewership comes from Network Cable. No one is watching games on ESPN2 or ESPNU.
Sure, if you're talking about Michigan, OSU, Bama, and UGA. The rest of the teams in those leagues are either 1) barely better than the top Big 12 teams or 2) straight trash.
@@yellowmartian It's not all about who's better. It's about branding. Who has a bigger brand in the new B12 than even Florida, or Auburn, or Nebraska? Those teams haven't been elite in years. I don't even know who the most prestigious brand is in the new B12. I guess Kansas because of basketball. But basketball is small potatoes compared to football.
One of the identifiers of a "power" conference is having a number of blues and lite blues in football, men's basketball, and overall sports. This feature can appear to be "top heavy". The BIG12 has no blue or lite in football. Has 1 blue and ~2 lites in men's basketball. Has 1 lite in overall sports. No upper rights (tops in both overall athletics and academics). Compare that membership to the other P4s.
@@parkerlarson2969 ASU's AD stated he wasn't going to fly to far-off away games like Morgantown. The Utah HC stated Utah may not be in the B12 more than a few years.
@@TheKevinNewsom honestly, depending on what happens with FSU and the ACC, I could see the big ten and sec picking off the top teams of the big 12 and acc and breaking off from the NCAA to form a new league with 2 24+ team conferences
The Big 12 will be brought along as a power league when these leagues consolidate, but the members will get less money than B1G/SEC members. Will be about 20-24 teams, even with a few present members taking SEC/B1G invites. ASU, KU, WVU all could be poached by the B1G/SEC.
@@chucky0034 It's not about just football. It's about expected holistic/relative value in a future ~48 Tier 1. KANSAS is a high bubble team. AZST and WVU are low bubble teams.
They will be in the future. At least 60 teams will make the final cut for big boy football. The SEC and BIG can't take them all. When the ACC falls, the only landing spot is the big 12. It will be the big 3.
That's not the channel or its hosts making that statement. The headline is to highlight the guest's statement made during the interview. Your loss in credibility would be reserved for Pat Smith in this instance.
Its unfortunate how the purity of collegiate football been ruined...the play off expansion is great because of the thought of some other under dog or Cinderella teams that could make a run or create a timeless or amazing game. Much like march madesss only on much smaller scale...Many schools will never get the opportunity. Due to money, 2 conferences will now slowly buy players and now its business versus competition from all over the nation. We already the have the NFL...Players deserve luxuries while they are enrolled and should be able to keep any NIL money they create for them selves and tuition obviously to those who actually care to have an education but to out right pay players is unfortunate. They will undoubtedly play for who pays the most versus playing at a school they actually want to go too. Its not college ball anymore. Its NFL G League. If they seperate from the NCAA they should follow the NBA model and seperate from the idea that is kids at school...cause its clearly not. Im not mad at change but now money controls to much of the atmosphere, which makes it less interesting. Now the BIG12 is some how pathetic and the Pac12 disappeared?? ACC is pending a fall as well? Whats the point of conferences at this point? Sucks to see fans from SEC and Big10 shitting on whats left now that they added new teams to there conferences because they can afford to pay them. Of course the rest will struggle the good teams left for more money. Just not sure why the realignment happened before the CFP expansion. We missed what could've been a great product so that SEC and Big10 can line there pockets by having more teams in the play off? Some of the teams that moved wouldve gotten in the playoff if they stayed in the conference anyway. So it seems to be a money move.I dont have all the details so maybe decisions were made out of necessity and im off and maybe there are benefits im not seeing to this change. but as far as what fans want to see is still kids giving it there all to win and reach the next level. When college kids make more the QB playing in the superbowl there is a problem. I feel like there are many who would be in agreement with me. Maybe a redefinement of D1 is order?
Man, lots of B12 hate here, but the truth is Pat Smith may think he knows Sankey but in reality, Sankey gives a rat's ass about anyone outside of the SEC as long they get paid. He doesn't even care about Fanboy Petiti and the B1G. There's not an altruistic bone in that man's body. Actions speak louder than words - he started this whole thing when he got the Horns Down crew to sell their souls and bring little brother and now SEC-mid-tier OU with them. It's all fun and games until ESPN comes apart at the seams and their pro-SEC talking heads like Kirk Herbstreit disappear.
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All the big brands will be in the big 10 and sec. The big 12 will just be the schools the P2 didn’t want.
As an Ohioan and in the Big 10, there is no one getting rid of any team in the conference. Ohio State isn't leading the charge to get rid of Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa Northwestern or Michigan State.
Does anyone want Vandy?
People like this just say sec big 10 is good because the 4 brand that each have over 40 years and two past 15 in Georgia and Alabama mid 2000s
So many people hating. Great show guys. Keep up the big 12 content!!!!
Big 12 is going to be, and really is, a group of 6 conference now. Don’t sugarcoat reality, we all know it’s the Big 10 and SEC, then all the rest.
That's funny. Half the SEC & BIG are not anything special, other than they make more money to play middling football.
Uhhh nope 🤦♂️
@tc699 ....what's funny is that..."Half the SEC and Big10 are nothing special" yet that "Half" you speak of is equal to the top half of the Bigxii. Especially now that players are gonna wanna play in the SEC and Big10 those bottom half teams will get better players just because they are in those conferences.....the Bigxii will get some good players but as soon as they have a good year they will transfer to the top 2 conferences. To be blunt....the Bigxii will be a "feeder" conference to the SEC and Big10.
@1682 Right now, the only special team in the $EC is Georgia. Okie State beat down A and M in their bowl game, and A and M is not one of the teams one could nor should classify as "nothing special." TCU beat Michigan in the playoffs just a year ago. The NIL xfer portal, has, is, and will continue to cut both ways. The best Tight End in the Big 12 xferred from LSU to WVU, better to start in the Big 12 than 2nd string in the SEC.. Facts suck
@@Central_Media3656 the "fact" I believe YOU are missing is....WHEN this is all Said and done there are gonna be 2 elite conferences.....period. Those conferences are gonna pay the most NIL money and will be a "feeder" to the NFL. Yeah some players transfered for playing time.....but WHEN THE SEC AND BIG10 BREAK OFF FROM THE REST OF THE NCAA....the Bigxii and the rest left out will be considered a Tier below and will the "feeder" schools for the SEC and Big10. This is FACTS and it sucks for your programs
As a Bama fan, i wanted to say that I am SO excited about this upcoming season! I'm not disappointed at all by the decisions they've made since Saban's retirement. Love that we will be the underdog this season!! Roll Tide 💪
Who says Bama is an underdog? Bama fans?
More like a Big Two, Relevant Two. With the ACC and Big Twelve being allowed to tag along. Everyone else will just be relegated to fighting for maybe one team making the playoff, possibly two depending on if it's a fourteen or sixteen team model.
Yeah, you can shut up now. You're not important because you're not a leader in sports, you're just so weird person on UA-cam trying to pretend that you're important. No one respects your opinion.
March Madness = Joke if Big10 and SEC split. FB would also become USFL plus and will stagnate within a decade.
Any future P2 sponsored basketball tournament would be an invitational that includes non-P2 teams,
I can also see the wealthy P2 schools hosting national tournaments for non-revenue sports, similar to the Olympics.
ACC and SEC need to have 9 conference games. Some of their team’s schedules are softer than tissue paper. This year will be a record for 10 win teams.
Taking a page out of b12 basketball scheduling.
It definitely looks like a 2+1 top tier is coming.
All end up at 20-24 teams.
Gives you enough schools for a D1 CFP 16 team tourney.
But Big 12 will EASILY be above any G5 league no matter how people cry in the comments.
The top 5-6 teams will absolutely reside in the P2. But A Big 12 school or two will rise the same way OU in Big 12 and Clemson did in ACC previously.
Math is pretty obvious. 70M for the bottom half of the SEC where Big 12 top tier will make 50M. And can fanbase and donors make up 20M? Absolutely. BUT only for a very few schools.
But top of SEC and B1G will make 100M and no one is touching that.
If we reach the point of 2+1, the +1 won't matter.
I’m thinking we will have 3 power conferences with 24 teams in each one. 16 team playoff. Big 10, SEC, Big 12.
There is no path to a peer P3.
352 Sports agree yet that there will be players making more in college than the NFL?
Big 12 is the third wheel on the date with the couple at the expensive restaurant. B12 is soooo awkward eating Grilled Cheese & coloring outside the lines while the couple are feasting on Ribeye and conversing on things that matter. B12 is just happy to be seated at the table while they still can. They seen what happened to the PAC12 kids throwing food at the table.
pure poetry sir. well played.
The BIG12 is now a fourth wheel, namely the little spare tire from the trunk after the regular blew out.
LOL....hilarious headline.
If speak it into existence was a person
FSU & Miami going to the Big10 would GET THEM the state of Florida media market & recruiting. SEC would drastically weaken.
I doubt Miami will get into the BIG 10. They haven't even been humoring the idea. SEC more likely fit for them.
@@todddoyle2248 Yeah right! The B10 wants Miami and FSU! The SEC is already in the state of Florida with UF! Its redundant to the tv partners by adding FSU and Miami. Now, the B10 adding Miami and FSU is a different story! It gets the B10 in the South in the Biggest state with 2 national CFB brands in a state, they desperately would want to recruit even better!
@@arronfrazier7873UF is joke. Hasn’t won anything in 10 years. Their coach will be fired in 2024.
The SEC is very strong at 16. And they are looking at NC and VA.
The fact that ACC signed a binding GOR till 2036 but ESPN has an out in 2025 (and maybe more we don't yet know of) is just how stupid and panicked was that deal.
That is NOT a FACT. But Dumb People think it is a Fact. So you do you along with the rest of them.
There may be both, but more recent events, etc. suggests it's a "look in" rather than a unilateral renewal. ESPN isn't likely to not renew, but a "look in" is bad news for the BIG12.
Big 12 has a chance to add some great ACC properties. Definitely P3 and everyone else.
Delusional....
CFB power structures:
6 Teams in the SEC, 4 Teams in the B1G, FSU, Clemson.......
Big XII and ACC...
The rest of SEC and B1G...
The rest of FBS...
FCS...
JUCO
D2 and NAIA
D3, JAFA, and U Sports (Canada)
Maybe so, but right now the Big12 is the fourth conference in the Power4, at least until FSU and Clemson leave the ACC. I mean a quarter of the Big12 was in the G5 two years ago, and another quarter was the second tier of the Pac12 (apologies to Utah, who was often overlooked.) I'm not sure a Big12-ACC leftover combination will help either one of them. Better to stay in 2 leagues and at least get 2 automatic bids to the playoffs instead of 1.
Don't act like the new big 12 additions don't regularly get better TV ratings than acc bottom feeders like Boston college.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz BYU+3 were lingering outside of the then P5 for reasons. Media value is a function of both quantity and quality if viewers. This story is now over 3 years old.
The big 12 isn’t a “power” 3
Come on guys
If FSU/Miami/Clemson/UNC/GT/Louisville go to the Big 12, on top of the already good TV contract the Big 12 has, that would be a super solid league with the 4 texas based teams plus OK st. and all the other teams in the Big 12. Please let those 6 go to the Big 12. Sidenote, With UCF already there, if FSU and Miami join the Big 12 then the Big 12 dominates the state of Florida and the state of Texas as far as numbers go.
That's incredibly Wishful thinking. Even if part of it came true, the Big 12 will never be part of the elite two.
Why would FSU/Miami/Clemson go to the Big12 at all? The money is the same, but they would have to pay gigantic exit fees to leave. They are already in a league that's better than the Big12 today.
Notre Dame and FSU will join the BIG. UNC, Virginia, Clemson, and Duke will join the SEC. The big 12 will get the rest. 3- 20 team conferences.
@@aaronlovell6026 and the poor little 12 will get left out of the Elite 2
@@theoriginaldashriprock if the SEC and BIG can take 30 teams each I will agree with you. But, the money and spots will not work out. We need 3 conferences for this to work. And the ACC will not be the 3rd conference.
Lane Kiffin is about to do with Ole Miss what Howard Howard Schnellenberger/Jimmy Johnson did with Miami - early adopter at the dawn of a new era of college football.
P2 for sure. Big12 is nowhere near their level. They don't have any elite programs. There are teams that have had good seasons. Utah is the closest to an elite team.
For now, I'd have guess if BIG 10 and SEC move up to 24 teams each Utah would be one of the few in the Big 12 to have an offer extended to them. Possibly Kansas and Cincinnati as well.
@@todddoyle2248 UTAH and KANSAS would be high bubble schools. No chance for CINCY.
For a 24 each B1G and SEC, I doubt any recently elevated G5 or any school that didn't make an original P5 will make a 48 team cut. All (now) P4 upper rights should be included, with STANFORD, CAL and DUKE being most at risk.
The alliance screwed it up? That’s garbage. Sankey wants to be the de facto dictator/commissioner the alliance was looking out for their interests just like sankey was looking for his when he poached TXand OK
- sankey isn’t interested in being a team player for college athletics
Sankey is a scumbag so was Mike Slime
@@milanphillips7492 Sankey's job is to make the SEC the best it can be, relying on its competitors to make similar efforts to keep overall athletics healthy. An ~48-team Tier 1 would likely increase parity at that level. The SEC's expansion goals will result in more losses among its football brands, but the conference will be better, more valuable, and more holistic overall.
The B1G surely has similar goals, as should every conference.
I'm in the Big 10 (Ohio State). I think the ACC survives because Notre Dame will go to the ACC. (Before anyone asks, yes I know that Notre Dame is in Indiana. No we the BIg Ten don't want them. Just like you didn't want SMU even though they're in Texas.). I also don't think that FSU has the money to leave the ACC and the Big 10 isn't getting into an unncessary proxy war with ESPN when the Big 10 doesn't have an ESPN contract.
Who are you trying to convince the Big 10 doesn't want Notre Dame? We all know they want them. Only someone with an agenda would compare Notre Dame to SMU.
The B1G wants ND, but ND doesn't want the B1G unless the ACC heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G.
ND could have assured a peer P3 by joining the ACC to prevent depletion, but it is betting on lite depletion or is simply delaying the inevitable. I doubt any ND official wants the move to the B1G to be part of his/her legacy.
The big 12 is on borrowed time and is a Frankenstein/survival conference full of 2nd tier teams and G5 teams. All Yormark has done is delay the inevitability of extinction. big 12 and Acc will not be much of power anything and more G5/G6 conferences once BiG and SEC expand and break away doing their own thing.
Let them breakaway. The big 12 and acc will play their own championship.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz It will be the premier G5/G6 Championship then!
You think the whole country is going to watch 2 conferences…ain’t gonna happen
Tier 2 rather than GX (Tier 3).
Big 12 got ripped apart and are insecure af. Praying on the downfall of the ACC like its your job.
Why blame the big 12 because the ACC sucks?
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz Measured by estimated actual value and competitiveness, the ACC remains Tier 1. The new BIG12 is a slight step up from a mid. The numbers below are even worse than I would have guessed:
2015/16 - 2023/24 Final D-Cup Standings (2020 N/A):
ACC: 23 Top 10, 48 Top 20 (includes ND, STANFORD & CAL)
B12: 00 Top 10, 06 Top 20 (includes AZST, excludes TEXAS & TXAM)
B1G: 26 Top 10, 45 Top 20 (includes USC & UCLA)
PAC: 00 Top 10, 00 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA, STANFORD, CAL & AZST)
SEC: 31 Top 10, 60 Top 20 (includes TEXAS, OK & TXAM)
Big 12 will be at the little kids table with everyone else, that's not in the B1G and SEC.
LOL at the Big 12 show thinking the Big 12 is on the level of the B1G and SEC
For the big 12 to become a 3rd super they would have to pickup the top of the acc (Florida State, Clemson, Miami,North Carolina and talk Notre Dame into joining along with the current top 10-12 teams of the current big 12 to make a third 16+ team super conference. Doubtful it will happen, too many big wigs with too much pride to make it happen.
But that will never happen. HOWEVER the Top of the Big 12 is already fighting it out behind the scenes to get into the ACC.
@@MercerKnowsBall I know it would never happen. To many egos. But it is the one way to fight what the BIG10 and SEC are doing. Make a 3rd conference with the blue bloods and big name/market areas that are left.
@@todddoyle2248 The BIG12's biggest brands have already left outside of KANSAS. The ACC would be better off waiting out the media deal. I'll play along, if something like this would happen, it would be the core ACC schools from Virginia down except WAKE + the 4Cs. Few if any of the other new BIG12 schools would be wanted outside of maybe KANSAS.
Sorry Big12, but it’s a Power 2. Not 3 or 4.
We are currently in a tiered P4.
Saban could go get some experimental longevity treatments, start aging backwards, come back to 'Bama, coach for the next decade -- and over that decade, Alabama would not be what it has been. Because times have changed. Probably no team is ever going to have a run like that again. No one is going to be able to hoard players like that.
But 'Bama Fan will no doubt blame everything on DeBoer when 'Bama has a 10-win season every few years, and gets knocked out of the playoffs in the first round every couple years, and only wins one title over the next 5 years.
Pretty interesting…
There is no more feasible path to a peer P3. The new BIG12 is the remnants of the original BIG12/PAC plus some elevated G5s. We will either have a tiered P4 ~or~ a P2. A #3 BIG12 won't matter.
Must suck to know north Carolina will be trapped in the new g5 acc when all the good teams leave. Then all you will have is watching WVU beat you at home.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz Pitiful.... Both the SEC and B1G are waiting for UNC to be both willing and able to move. If UNC stays, only FSU leaves, and that ACC remains far better than the new BIG12.
Must suck that WVU is likely doomed to Tier 2 status. It's unlikely that any school that didn't make the original P5 cut to make the P2.
It will still be the power 4.... B10 and SEC on top making 2x as rhe Big12. Who make 2x as the ACC, bit the gap between thr Power 2 and the Big12 is around 50M while the Big12 is only 25M more than ACC
The ACC pays more than the new BIG12, even with its far below market deal.
We are currently in a tiered P4, with the BIG12 already Tier 2.
Big 12 is SEC minus bama, LSU, Ga, and Florida and big 10 minus osu and mich and maybe USC
...with tiny fan bases generating peanuts. 🥜
You left out Oregon, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn st., and Ole Miss. Take any one of these 6. And they would be favored to win the big 12. Now add the 5 or 6 you listed. So how good is the big 12 really?
USC?
They haven't done squat in forever.
Last significant team had a lot of cheating going on.
Big 12 champ would be equal or favored against any of them in post season matchup
@@davidtemple2831 Trojans will be back nothing's illegal anymore
Teams will look at the Conferences and ask themselves, Can we get into the Playoffs ???? Just like TCU made a run and it paid them $3 Billion. It's all about getting in to the Playoffs.
Nope....
a) Teams have decided that peer Tier 1 revenue is a necessity to remain competitive as things progress.
b) TCU did not make $3B
Power 2 = Big Ten and SEC
Mid = Big 12
SEC is cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.
Going to destroy itself out of pride and ignorance.
@@davidtemple2831 The SEC's goal is to consolidate the valuable flagships in the greater Southeast along with other desirable Southeastern schools. Virginia down to Florida over to Texas would eventually put the SEC tops in most all sports and academics for the foreseeable. The eventual B1G would be a respected competitor.
5:55 .. "How many private jet companies have an interest ....." Answer: a few schools will have VERY beneficial relationships with private jet companies; if it tickles yer fancy, do some digging on Nebraska's relationship with NetJets (Warren Buffett) and Duncan Aviation. Frankly, I'm not entirely familiar with every detail, and I don't think it's a "highly" publicized thing, AND The Oracle hasn't necessarily been a huge, nor highly publicized donor to our Huskers, BUT having worked at one of those organizations, I would be very excited to hear what a diligent journalist might learn if they looked. (ignore the conspiratorial "scent" of those statements ... I don't suspect that it's improper in any way) There are a couple dozen jet leasing firms in the country, and their executives all graduated from SOMEwhere.
😂big 12 won’t be at the table
B12 will be still be at the table picking up scraps which means it will still be eating while others will be starving.😅
It's feasible that the BIG12 will be the sole surviving Tier 2, but will it matter?
The best recruiting class in the Big12 this last cycle was Texas Tech at 25? Nebraska had a better class than that and they were like 5-6th in the BIG10. And the SEC has even more teams in the Top 25 in recruiting than the BIG10. The Big12 is honestly somewhere between the Power 2 and the Group of 5. The Big12 is a 2nd Tier Conference. Sorry.
So many people crying simply because the big 12 exists. Hahaha
It’s cute that you think that there is a power 3 lol wow
Mid 12 wishes
I think ND and FSU to the big ten the two virgins schools and UNC and NCST to SEC and the Pitt Louisville Miami Duke Clemson and GT to the Big 12. Sorry to Syracuse Waje BC and the three new schools maybe they can create some sort of conference with Washington State Oregon State UConn and schools like Memphis Liberty USF SDSU and Tulane.
Why would those ACC remainders move to the already too large/wide Tier 2 BIG12?
And..., the B1G isn't interested in FSU unless/maybe it goes past 20 (or 22 with ND, UVA, UNC +1). FSU won't be ND, UVA or UNC's named +1.
The Big 12 is part of whatever comes next,question is what about those not so desirable brands in the SEC and Big 10?...They are below most Big12 Brands....We will see?,it's going to be bigger than 30 or 40 schools no matter who likes it...Let's Go Big 12!
Delusional
Indiana,Illinois,Northwestern,Rutgers,Ole Miss,MSU,South Carolina,etc...If you think those are better ?...Puff Puff Pass!...You know what just don't smoke anymore...I'm the delusional one...Yeah OK!
@@paultoler4543 it isn't about better. It is about revenue and those schools produce more than any Big12 team.
Every D1 program in America have made college football what it is,tell 80 or 90 schools they can't take part or have access and see how long it lasts. A lot of people will watch but most will not because it has no bearing on their school. Then let's see how much revenue those schools I mentioned along with Rutgers and Vandy bring in on their own when it goes to streaming....I love the game and my team,but I'll never watch another game that has nothing to do with me and I will not purchase bundles either no matter how cheap they get...Greed destroys everything....I equate it to standing on the deck of a boat and shooting at the enemy directly underneath you...jmho
@@paultoler4543 Over 50% of viewership comes from 19 teams. Majority of viewership comes from Network Cable. No one is watching games on ESPN2 or ESPNU.
Big 12 forcing their way to be part of the big boys 😂😂😂😂
Big shift from ironclad GOR
The Big 12 is closer to the FCS than they are to the Big 10 and the SEC.
Sure, if you're talking about Michigan, OSU, Bama, and UGA. The rest of the teams in those leagues are either 1) barely better than the top Big 12 teams or 2) straight trash.
@@yellowmartianHow do you explain Northwestern beating Utah twice the last 4 seasons when Utah is the best team in the Big 12?
@@yellowmartian It's not all about who's better. It's about branding. Who has a bigger brand in the new B12 than even Florida, or Auburn, or Nebraska? Those teams haven't been elite in years. I don't even know who the most prestigious brand is in the new B12. I guess Kansas because of basketball. But basketball is small potatoes compared to football.
Utah might be the 7th best team in the big 12.
@@CarlAdams-lc6oz Now I gotta hear this. Who's the 6 teams better than them in the big12?
SEC and Big TEN are top heavy the rest not so good
One of the identifiers of a "power" conference is having a number of blues and lite blues in football, men's basketball, and overall sports. This feature can appear to be "top heavy". The BIG12 has no blue or lite in football. Has 1 blue and ~2 lites in men's basketball. Has 1 lite in overall sports. No upper rights (tops in both overall athletics and academics).
Compare that membership to the other P4s.
Good God, college football is truly finished.
People in the comments really only care about football
The comments from ASU's AD and Utah's coach should concern the B12.
What did they say?
@@parkerlarson2969 ASU's AD stated he wasn't going to fly to far-off away games like Morgantown. The Utah HC stated Utah may not be in the B12 more than a few years.
@@TheKevinNewsom honestly, depending on what happens with FSU and the ACC, I could see the big ten and sec picking off the top teams of the big 12 and acc and breaking off from the NCAA to form a new league with 2 24+ team conferences
@@parkerlarson2969 Agreed.
The Big 12 will be brought along as a power league when these leagues consolidate, but the members will get less money than B1G/SEC members. Will be about 20-24 teams, even with a few present members taking SEC/B1G invites. ASU, KU, WVU all could be poached by the B1G/SEC.
Dumb post.
😂
You mentioned 3 teams that haven't sniffed a championship in a loooonnnggg time in football.
@@chucky0034 It's not about just football. It's about expected holistic/relative value in a future ~48 Tier 1.
KANSAS is a high bubble team. AZST and WVU are low bubble teams.
Shocked. Another Noles hater
lol big 12 ain’t the big 3
What are you going to do without cupcakes? Tarnish your own brand and go 6-6 every year princess?
Big 12 is better than 50% of Big10 and sec
@@bradpetersen7803yeah both conferences are top heavy.
They will be in the future. At least 60 teams will make the final cut for big boy football. The SEC and BIG can't take them all. When the ACC falls, the only landing spot is the big 12. It will be the big 3.
Big 10, the SEC.................................................................................and the big 12.
David seriously? Y'all lose a lot of credibility when you post ridiculous headers like that. The big 12 definitely will not be part of the big two.
You don’t know anymore than the rest of us. Get a job
That's not the channel or its hosts making that statement. The headline is to highlight the guest's statement made during the interview. Your loss in credibility would be reserved for Pat Smith in this instance.
@@reverend_wintondupree because the guest says so, doesn't mean you run with a headline. Because you own it once you post it on your channel.
@@douggles06 I don't need a job. I own my own company. And you just don't like the truth.
@@theoriginaldashriprock that’s what all the unemployed say…
Its unfortunate how the purity of collegiate football been ruined...the play off expansion is great because of the thought of some other under dog or Cinderella teams that could make a run or create a timeless or amazing game. Much like march madesss only on much smaller scale...Many schools will never get the opportunity. Due to money, 2 conferences will now slowly buy players and now its business versus competition from all over the nation. We already the have the NFL...Players deserve luxuries while they are enrolled and should be able to keep any NIL money they create for them selves and tuition obviously to those who actually care to have an education but to out right pay players is unfortunate. They will undoubtedly play for who pays the most versus playing at a school they actually want to go too. Its not college ball anymore. Its NFL G League. If they seperate from the NCAA they should follow the NBA model and seperate from the idea that is kids at school...cause its clearly not. Im not mad at change but now money controls to much of the atmosphere, which makes it less interesting. Now the BIG12 is some how pathetic and the Pac12 disappeared?? ACC is pending a fall as well? Whats the point of conferences at this point? Sucks to see fans from SEC and Big10 shitting on whats left now that they added new teams to there conferences because they can afford to pay them. Of course the rest will struggle the good teams left for more money. Just not sure why the realignment happened before the CFP expansion. We missed what could've been a great product so that SEC and Big10 can line there pockets by having more teams in the play off? Some of the teams that moved wouldve gotten in the playoff if they stayed in the conference anyway. So it seems to be a money move.I dont have all the details so maybe decisions were made out of necessity and im off and maybe there are benefits im not seeing to this change. but as far as what fans want to see is still kids giving it there all to win and reach the next level. When college kids make more the QB playing in the superbowl there is a problem. I feel like there are many who would be in agreement with me. Maybe a redefinement of D1 is order?
All athletes will be in court seeking equal pay for their sports 🥎
Man, lots of B12 hate here, but the truth is Pat Smith may think he knows Sankey but in reality, Sankey gives a rat's ass about anyone outside of the SEC as long they get paid. He doesn't even care about Fanboy Petiti and the B1G. There's not an altruistic bone in that man's body. Actions speak louder than words - he started this whole thing when he got the Horns Down crew to sell their souls and bring little brother and now SEC-mid-tier OU with them. It's all fun and games until ESPN comes apart at the seams and their pro-SEC talking heads like Kirk Herbstreit disappear.