I’m an almost 66 year old Grandma who got powerfully converted to CHRIST JESUS at age 13 in 1971 in a near death experience during the JESUS PEOPLE MOVEMENT. I have been walking the narrow way ever since. I am so grieved at the compromise and deception that I have especially seen in the body of Christ/ the Church, last forty years or so. I am blessed to see this young man who I believe is a true prophetic voice. May the true prophetic voices arise both young and old in the true remnant Church. Help us baby boomers be the spiritual parents and Grandparents to the younger generations that they so desperately need. Strengthen and encourage us body, soul and spirit to take our place and be able to that. Jeanie Sampley, your comment really encouraged me. Thank you so much.
64 year old grandma here too. Not too many leaders listen to the likes of us…. Like maybe never? But God is opening this up soon, I believe. Thank you for your wisdom. I vote yes for you doing the documentary!!❤
Me too! 73 yrs old today…… when He is cleaning His house overturning the tables , get out! And the applause ? There is absolutely nothing funny about this issue….and yet they laugh and applaud…… They restored Todd Bentley and he began a horrific , Part 2 , with young men in his ministry!
@@joyjagracepatterson6141 The body of Christ needs to completely remove itself from the NAR wicked false doctrine. Jesus words are enough, the holy Scriptures are enough, the prophets of old are enough. We do not need to believe or listen to any man with their false visions, false dreams, false trips to heaven, blah, blah, blah. I don’t give a flying crap what any man has seen or heard. Why would I trust fallen man when I have the holy Scriptures? This is why the body of Christ has been in such a sad state for decades and still today. Run the other way from all 501(c)3 churches, and the false prophets coming out of the woodwork. These places are CULTS. Bethel, IHOP, Morningstar Ministries,etc etc They are run by free masons who practice mysticism, new age, Kabbalah, doctrines of demons.
I am a 72-year-old great gran. I have never heard such plain God talk, not in any church. Except for house groups I have little respect for "leadership" in most churches. Fleecin, killing and devouring His sheep seems to be their delight. I appreciate you John for speaking THE Truth.
These men who love MB should be the ones who restore him personally to Jesus. But not to ministry. And they have no business telling other Christians to be quiet. By their actions over the last few months, they have lost the credibility to be the arbiters on this scandal. It's sad for a lot of people. And Matthew 18 doesn't apply to an elder who has lived in sin for years. 1 Timothy and Titus apply in these cases. An elder must be above reproach. And an elder who sins must be rebuked publicly. Since the church leaders wouldn't do that, other Christians have had to lead the way.
Actually Mike doesn't want restored to anything good. He's been doing this for 40 plus years, calculated abuse, lied about it, covered it up....He's not going to change Ya'll.
Thanks for being a voice for truth & grace like JESUS was. The enemy wants to muzzle people and intimidate them all in the name of the “ hyper grace” movement. “ Just love everybody, don’t confront anyone and make them uncomfortable, because we want everyone to feel loved, valued and we don’t want anyone to have their feelings hurt. Such rubbish as people daily die in their sin and lose their souls in “ HELL.” It breaks my heart. The Scriptures say that in the last days everyone would be doing what’s right in their own eyes, calling good evil and evil good.” We are to have nothing to do with the hidden works of darkness but rather expose them. God, please break the fear of man off your “ bride” that brings a snare and release the reverential spirit of the fear of God that is the beginning of wisdom. Thanks for your comment and everyone else who is being bold and courageous to stand up for truth and to expose the lies of the enemy.
Thank you for speaking up and exposing the hypocrisy. These brave women need our support and the long standing abuse needs to be exposed and dealt with…publicly (imho). No more secrets behind closed doors!
If you decide to do a documentary please contact me. I grew up in Bethel, God lead me away from them and closer to him and I belong to a real fellowship but I still live in Redding and I am a witness to Bethel's evolution over the years first hand. Blessings to you for contending for the faith and rebuking false teaching with the word of God.
MOG you speak with great wisdom and discernment. Your heart is pure towards God and His people. Keep crying loud & sparing not. The day of God's Vindication upon the wicked and false prophets shall prevail. Stay in the perfect Love of Jesus. And I appreciate how you put this video together. Glad I found your channel..subscribing!
Dear friend and true brother, this is EXCELLENT!!! Kris Valaton is a hot aired bully. Kris Valaton is a wolf. Bethel has a horrible reputation in their area. Business's in the area have "No Bethel Students Allowed signs in the windows. Keep exposing these wolves. I'm praising God for your voice❤
I’ve lived many years. Waded in many “streams”. Came to the conclusion that if what I had encountered in the church was the best that God could do, then we’re screwed. I’m the generation that messed it up. I see in your videos a generation that fearfully understands the difference between Justice and judgement. While I may not live to walk in that land I’ll strain hard to peer into it, and bless those whose steps will take them there. The land where if it ain’t about Jesus, it’s a distraction. Please, hasten His return.
Thank you for saying it like it is. Chris Vallaton is evil. He has always turned a blind eye to justice. Always. The only reason we put up with these Charltons is because we feed on their entertainment. It's time to ignore them, and call them out for their witchcraft.
No need to look at at odyssey. Vashti is a great allegory-so busy holding a banquet of her own and doing the ministerial work that she gave to herself and deemed so important that she wouldn’t be obedient to the king. Truly an allegory of the apostate. But the Lord will search out a bride for himself who cares for the oppressed.
actually no. Although i appreciate your sentiment for the oppressed. Vashti was summoned to appear before a crowd of men who had been drinking for days. in a culture where women were property. by a king would not have protected her. Xerxes was weak immature impulsive and self centered. he was easily swayed by people like Haman. history suggests he called for her to appear naked before all of them. she did not come because she was rebellious. she did not come because she could have been gang r*ped or killed.
@@mimicaban9551 definitely not defending xerxes on this one or justifying his actions in the natural or the way women were treated in that day. . . Definitely most interpretations of what he was asking her to do was unseemly and undignified. I’m entirely speaking in allegory-as our host was allegorically referring to the Odessy. It metaphorically rings true that God wishes us to humble ourselves and maybe even take off our “royal robes” and for our beauty (the light inside us) be put on vulnerable display before corrupt people or even in what may even be dangerous situations. ( done with the safety of the assurance that it’s in his presence we serve and the 👑 to represent the authority we are under ) essentially asking us to be willing to stoop low and embarrass ( literally meaning “undress”) ourselves that we might become “as fools” for His sake. . ( all my points on that is in referenced spiritual allegory but of course Christ essentially did that all for real on the cross: stripped and crowned and put up in vulnerability as a spectacle. And we will also be called participate in the same to a degree as part of bearing his name and identity in a world that cannot receive him. . . ) That is not something that the church at present is willing to do because we are concerned with the vision of “ministry” that we made up for ourselves. Yes xerxes was deceived by haman and allowed a truly reprobate man to rise to power and be given his signet- but God himself will do something (allegorically) similar with raising up and enthroning the Antichrist for judgment of the world and will even put the (physical) lives of Christian’s and Jews under at least the auspices of his authority for a time that he may kill them with the sword and inspire others to do the same. God is not deceived in that case however and acts with perfect wisdom that we can only trust in. In the end of the story the signet is given to his bride. . . . . . Who then rules the kingdom in concert with the man who saved her from death and adopted her into a family. . . (Yeah there’s a few good metaphorical connections there 😮)
Perhaps… and I’m just throwing this out there… but perhaps ministers who are taking issue with people speaking out on publicly broadcast (social media) platforms should be conscious that they have been speaking on these platforms for years through videoing and live-streaming their messages. Has it been ok for them to use their platforms to push their own agendas but now not ok for others to use their platforms to push theirs? And if we say it isn’t about individual agendas, it’s about God’s, which is what it should be but often isn’t, does God only give permission to Christian leaders to use their platforms to speak truth to the issues of the day? Perhaps it would be more authentic (?) if ministers who object to the public discourse around IHOPKC weren’t using social media platforms to broadcast their opinions as well. If you don’t like that the discourse is in the public square then stop broadcasting into it 🤷🏼♀️ You can’t have it both ways 🤷🏼♀️ And I don’t believe ministers should stop broadcasting into the public square but rather recognise that the same platforms leaders have used to promote their ministries will be the same platforms used to confront them.
Additionally: this sermon has been the last straw for me. No justice? We don't need justice right now? The world doesn't need justice at a time when there are more enslaved humans per capita in any given country than any other time in the history of the world (due to human trafficking and labor trafficking). No justice? Hearing Kris say that makes me desperately sad that I ever held him in regard. It makes me wonder how you could spend any time in the presence of Jesus of Nazareth (that was the hood, btw, Jesus didn't come to the earth and set up his ministry in sunny S. California with step daddy jo paying for his Pategonia and hiking gear to wear on a stage.. he lived in squalor... the kind of place where you work all hours of the day and have no money or possessions to show for it) and say he doesnt want justice for this earth? How could you spend any time interacting with any headline right now and say that he doesnt want justice. I will admit that God's justice doesnt always look like ours but HOW COULD YOU READ THE BIBLE AND MISS MICAH 6:8?????
Revelation 6:10 “They cried out with a loud voice, “Oh Sovereign LORD, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the Earth?”
It seems like there's a vested interest in IHOPKC and that if they fall, it's going to affect Bethel. At least, that's the perception by the way KV is carrying on (and I might say "ditto") from Stephen Strang.
KV is sick. He is a blind and deaf Pharisee who thinks he knows the truth but it is only truth from his view. Thank you John, for coming back to speak on this. You have spoken everything me and my prayer partners have been praying. It’s time to get off the stage and have real conversations. And the people listening and laughing is truly sad. He speaks blasphemy and they laugh. Shame on them for continuing to speak man’s word and not the truth of God’s word. And to do it, like you said, from a stage. People should have walked out! God help us! Like John said, read your word and the truth of God speaks.
So- logic says Every so called Prophet that endorsed T Bentley is disqualified. Truth says all of you so called prophets that were co working with bickle - disqualified. How could you claim prophetic insight when you missed this.
Can I just mention how troubled I am at Bill Johnsons new fiancee being a spiritual daughter that was literally mentored by his late wife Beni, the age gap is about 25 years, she is younger than his oldest son Brian. Hes written foreword for her book years back when Beni was alive that now sounds incredibly creepy to me. She is obsessed with royalty and regards Bill charismatic royalty / a king. She worked for Kris Valloton.. How long has this relationship been going on and why is the age difference the same as MB and JD?
I am a screenwriter and have connections to a few different film companies (I have worked for them/they have made successful documentaries) if you are serious about doing a documentary about this, I am super serious about being interested in working with you on the project/ bringing in some of my other friends (if the project gains that much traction) who are also Christians in the film industry. Can I get an email to connect with you there?
Hi 👋 yeah I mean, to be honest I didn’t even intend to enter the conversation so early. I have been gathering my thoughts a lot over the years though and have a video production background. I am open to ideas 💡 & potential collaborations in the future. Nice to hear from you. I keep forgetting to add my email to the description for people. It’s johnbastian712@gmail.com Thanks for reaching out, have a blessed day 🙏
Mike is keeping on the DL waiting for his buddies to run cover for him. IHOP hired front men and PR firms to block nobody currently in leadership at IHOP had the guts to come out biblically and confess and repent. They tried to minimize and then they cut and ran. Even Isaac is asking for "corporate" repentance. They're avoiding their own culpability and obfuscating responsibility by diluting the focus everywhere else but on them personally. I don't think they even know their Bibles. They preach such a hard message but retreat like cowards.
Help me out: Wasn't Valloton the Bethel guy who wrote a book with Occultism laced throughout, calling it Christian, and the outcry was so bad they yanked it from bookshelves everywhere? Why is he still allowed in leadership?
Hey Bro I heard Todd Bentley had still not repented and JohnBevere is responsible to bring that to pass and it hasn't happened yet. Thank you for truth telling. I'm staying in PRAYER for the victims.
Call me crazy, but think a lot of these pro-fake-it guys went "uh-oh" and started looking over their shoulders... It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something comes out about bethel in 2024... And if it does come true I'm going to start my own pro-fake-it yt channel because people will fleeing from Shawn Bolz 😂😂😂
..and they did die.. the martyrs- the apostles- our Messiah. The leaders in these gatherings are consumed with mamon. They loved the money Bently brought in.
Speaking out against truth around social media maybe has a place. But demonizing everyone's ministry left and right, as UA-camrs often do (not saying you are) does not. You are claiming that he has no right to speak into this. Yet that's what you're doing bro. I'm not partnering with Kris. I have not liked a good amount of his teaching and preaching. I am with you in many ways; Mike Bickle needs to be excommunicated if he is really unrepentant, and it seems that he is unrepentant. HOWEVER, nobody is asking if they are supposed to be involved in this conversation, and if you're saying shut up to Kris then shouldn't you take a similar stance? I get it, he has said one thing in a video and now is seemingly doing the opposite. You are not involved in his life and he is not in yours. This is why the internet is a distraction from real community in many ways. Speaking to the UA-cam "community": We do not have to get worked up and lash out about things. WE need to be proactive in our own communities! But social media has created this false community and we are being offended at someone else's sin while not being involved in our own church communities. If people simply poured themselves into their local church and fought for unity and truth and love, then the church would multiply. But fighting with a keyboard and with videos is no where near the same thing. It is a false replacement. Many have been deceived into this fake community online and pouring their energy into a non community where there is no true accountability and there is no true fellowship that makes you known and you know others good and bad. Scripture lays this out for us in Matthew 18. It is a personal and private process. Sure people could argue that he is one of the most public figures in Christianity so it is a public issue. That reasoning does not follow scripture. There are elements that are public so it is good to be aware of it, but God's word clearly teaches us to not set ourselves up as judge. We are constantly judging what people say in videos and sermons and we do not have any accountability for ourselves. This fake community is full of criticism of other people's ministries. What are you doing for the kingdom of God? How are you proactively serving? If we spent time living out the gospel of Jesus to those around us we would not have time to do all this fake online stuff. Sure, speak against what you believe to be false teaching. I get it. But what people online do not get is that we will be judged for every careless word that we speak (Mt. 12:36-37). We are not supposed to use our time criticizing people's ministries. Our lives need to be full of active faith, doing the works of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit in us in full submission to Christ's will. UA-cam is a tool. It is not meant to be used as a tool to sit as a judge and warn people. Everyone is so quick to condemn people and ministries without even experiencing those ministries directly. Just as we would not want to be condemned for mistakes we have made, do not condemn others. When we do that we partner with the adversary. Yes speak truth, yes have a sense of speaking against false teachings, within your own communities after you have loved others so deeply that you have given your whole self to Christ and that community. The judgement and criticism dissipates when we experience the trials and challenges of making disciples ourselves. Condemnation increases when we have sat around and done much less or nothing of what We are called to do by God.
I appreciate if you don’t believe I have the right to speak out in the UA-cam community (or that you don't believe UA-cam is a place for people to speak to this, though he puts his messages out there). However, my point was specifically in regard to Kris Vallatton, who is part of Bethel that upheld a worker of iniquity in the house of God - who brought harm to many (Todd Bentley). Such a man doesn’t have authority to confront other false teachers (as per the Scriptures) unless he repents and makes things right with God and the body. I have been commanded by Christ “to judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). I can respect if this channel is not for you 🤷♂but yes, I have experienced Bethel. I lived in Redding. I invite you to watch someones channel in its full context before passing judgments on their channel, as I watched for years Kris Vallatton and other teachers like him. Thanks for sharing your perspective 🙏
I am a 63 year old grandma. I am glad to see a young man standing up for TRUTH
I’m an almost 66 year old Grandma who got powerfully converted to CHRIST JESUS at age 13 in 1971 in a near death experience during the JESUS PEOPLE MOVEMENT. I have been walking the narrow way ever since. I am so grieved at the compromise and deception that I have especially seen in the body of Christ/ the Church, last forty years or so. I am blessed to see this young man who I believe is a true prophetic voice. May the true prophetic voices arise both young and old in the true remnant Church. Help us baby boomers be the spiritual parents and Grandparents to the younger generations that they so desperately need. Strengthen and encourage us body, soul and spirit to take our place and be able to that.
Jeanie Sampley, your comment really encouraged me. Thank you so much.
64 year old grandma here too. Not too many leaders listen to the likes of us…. Like maybe never? But God is opening this up soon, I believe. Thank you for your wisdom. I vote yes for you doing the documentary!!❤
Me too! 73 yrs old today…… when He is cleaning His house overturning the tables , get out! And the applause ? There is absolutely nothing funny about this issue….and yet they laugh and applaud……
They restored Todd Bentley and he began a horrific , Part 2 , with young men in his ministry!
@@joyjagracepatterson6141 The body of Christ needs to completely remove itself from the NAR wicked false doctrine. Jesus words are enough, the holy Scriptures are enough, the prophets of old are enough. We do not need to believe or listen to any man with their false visions, false dreams, false trips to heaven, blah, blah, blah. I don’t give a flying crap what any man has seen or heard. Why would I trust fallen man when I have the holy Scriptures? This is why the body of Christ has been in such a sad state for decades and still today. Run the other way from all 501(c)3 churches, and the false prophets coming out of the woodwork. These places are CULTS. Bethel, IHOP, Morningstar Ministries,etc etc They are run by free masons who practice mysticism, new age, Kabbalah, doctrines of demons.
Your best video yet. Blessings 🙌 😮
I agree!!
I am a 72-year-old great gran. I have never heard such plain God talk, not in any church. Except for house groups I have little respect for "leadership" in most churches. Fleecin, killing and devouring His sheep seems to be their delight. I appreciate you John for speaking THE Truth.
I really appreciate your absolute loyalty to The Lord Jesus and not to any of these foolish men. Thank you for your videos
These men who love MB should be the ones who restore him personally to Jesus. But not to ministry.
And they have no business telling other Christians to be quiet. By their actions over the last few months, they have lost the credibility to be the arbiters on this scandal. It's sad for a lot of people.
And Matthew 18 doesn't apply to an elder who has lived in sin for years. 1 Timothy and Titus apply in these cases. An elder must be above reproach. And an elder who sins must be rebuked publicly. Since the church leaders wouldn't do that, other Christians have had to lead the way.
Well said❤
Actually Mike doesn't want restored to anything good. He's been doing this for 40 plus years, calculated abuse, lied about it, covered it up....He's not going to change Ya'll.
God led the way. Among the remnant it was prophesied in 2020 that many leaders would fall. Both great and small.
Thanks for being a voice for truth & grace like JESUS was. The enemy wants to muzzle people and intimidate them all in the name of the “ hyper grace” movement. “ Just love everybody, don’t confront anyone and make them uncomfortable, because we want everyone to feel loved, valued and we don’t want anyone to have their feelings hurt. Such rubbish as people daily die in their sin and lose their souls in “ HELL.” It breaks my heart. The Scriptures say that in the last days everyone would be doing what’s right in their own eyes, calling good evil and evil good.” We are to have nothing to do with the hidden works of darkness but rather expose them.
God, please break the fear of man off your “ bride” that brings a snare and release the reverential spirit of the fear of God that is the beginning of wisdom.
Thanks for your comment and everyone else who is being bold and courageous to stand up for truth and to expose the lies of the enemy.
Thank you for speaking up and exposing the hypocrisy. These brave women need our support and the long standing abuse needs to be exposed and dealt with…publicly (imho). No more secrets behind closed doors!
Thank you for your LOVING honesty. And all the verses
Looking forward to your documentary and if he ever calls you to meet him, please record it. Thanks for your ministry.
LOL...the pickle! Every time I write Bickle it changes it to Pickle! lol lol
If you decide to do a documentary please contact me. I grew up in Bethel, God lead me away from them and closer to him and I belong to a real fellowship but I still live in Redding and I am a witness to Bethel's evolution over the years first hand.
Blessings to you for contending for the faith and rebuking false teaching with the word of God.
MOG you speak with great wisdom and discernment. Your heart is pure towards God and His people. Keep crying loud & sparing not. The day of God's Vindication upon the wicked and false prophets shall prevail. Stay in the perfect Love of Jesus. And I appreciate how you put this video together. Glad I found your channel..subscribing!
Thank you for your kind and strengthening words. Blessings upon you sister 🙏
Dear friend and true brother, this is EXCELLENT!!! Kris Valaton is a hot aired bully. Kris Valaton is a wolf. Bethel has a horrible reputation in their area. Business's in the area have "No Bethel Students Allowed signs in the windows.
Keep exposing these wolves.
I'm praising God for your voice❤
Do a documentary brother! It is needed. Expose these wolves!!
I’ve lived many years. Waded in many “streams”. Came to the conclusion that if what I had encountered in the church was the best that God could do, then we’re screwed. I’m the generation that messed it up. I see in your videos a generation that fearfully understands the difference between Justice and judgement. While I may not live to walk in that land I’ll strain hard to peer into it, and bless those whose steps will take them there. The land where if it ain’t about Jesus, it’s a distraction. Please, hasten His return.
BE INSPIRED JOHN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR VOICE.
I appreciate what you shared!
Well Kris if you love bickle tell him to repent and get saved
Precisely
I am inspired too...please continue exposing these wolves. These type have hurt many people including me. it has been traumatic.
❤️
Bethel used to do an affirmation that said, "God is in a good mood," bruh. Cult stuff.
I was not a follower of Bethel or IHOPKC. This is still sickening to me. The Lord sees it all. We are to seek justice. Thank you brother 🙏🏽
Bless you and yours Brother John 🙏 ❤️
Thank you for saying it like it is. Chris Vallaton is evil. He has always turned a blind eye to justice. Always. The only reason we put up with these Charltons is because we feed on their entertainment. It's time to ignore them, and call them out for their witchcraft.
Wisdom comes through suffering, and you have a lot of wisdom. I am very interested in your testimony. Be blessed 🙌
I died at your "voiced your undying love for Mr. Pickle"....
No need to look at at odyssey.
Vashti is a great allegory-so busy holding a banquet of her own and doing the ministerial work that she gave to herself and deemed so important that she wouldn’t be obedient to the king. Truly an allegory of the apostate.
But the Lord will search out a bride for himself who cares for the oppressed.
actually no. Although i appreciate your sentiment for the oppressed. Vashti was summoned to appear before a crowd of men who had been drinking for days. in a culture where women were property. by a king would not have protected her. Xerxes was weak immature impulsive and self centered. he was easily swayed by people like Haman. history suggests he called for her to appear naked before all of them. she did not come because she was rebellious. she did not come because she could have been gang r*ped or killed.
@@mimicaban9551 definitely not defending xerxes on this one or justifying his actions in the natural or the way women were treated in that day. . . Definitely most interpretations of what he was asking her to do was unseemly and undignified.
I’m entirely speaking in allegory-as our host was allegorically referring to the Odessy.
It metaphorically rings true that God wishes us to humble ourselves and maybe even take off our “royal robes” and for our beauty (the light inside us) be put on vulnerable display before corrupt people or even in what may even be dangerous situations. ( done with the safety of the assurance that it’s in his presence we serve and the 👑 to represent the authority we are under ) essentially asking us to be willing to stoop low and embarrass ( literally meaning “undress”) ourselves that we might become “as fools” for His sake. .
( all my points on that is in referenced spiritual allegory but of course Christ essentially did that all for real on the cross: stripped and crowned and put up in vulnerability as a spectacle. And we will also be called participate in the same to a degree as part of bearing his name and identity in a world that cannot receive him. . . )
That is not something that the church at present is willing to do because we are concerned with the vision of “ministry” that we made up for ourselves.
Yes xerxes was deceived by haman and allowed a truly reprobate man to rise to power and be given his signet- but God himself will do something (allegorically) similar with raising up and enthroning the Antichrist for judgment of the world and will even put the (physical) lives of Christian’s and Jews under at least the auspices of his authority for a time that he may kill them with the sword and inspire others to do the same. God is not deceived in that case however and acts with perfect wisdom that we can only trust in. In the end of the story the signet is given to his bride. . .
. . . Who then rules the kingdom in concert with the man who saved her from death and adopted her into a family. . . (Yeah there’s a few good metaphorical connections there 😮)
John is back! Sup bro! 👊
Keep speaking up
Absolutely!!!
Thank you!
Perhaps… and I’m just throwing this out there… but perhaps ministers who are taking issue with people speaking out on publicly broadcast (social media) platforms should be conscious that they have been speaking on these platforms for years through videoing and live-streaming their messages. Has it been ok for them to use their platforms to push their own agendas but now not ok for others to use their platforms to push theirs? And if we say it isn’t about individual agendas, it’s about God’s, which is what it should be but often isn’t, does God only give permission to Christian leaders to use their platforms to speak truth to the issues of the day?
Perhaps it would be more authentic (?) if ministers who object to the public discourse around IHOPKC weren’t using social media platforms to broadcast their opinions as well. If you don’t like that the discourse is in the public square then stop broadcasting into it 🤷🏼♀️ You can’t have it both ways 🤷🏼♀️ And I don’t believe ministers should stop broadcasting into the public square but rather recognise that the same platforms leaders have used to promote their ministries will be the same platforms used to confront them.
Isaiah 1:17 NIV
Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.
Whole lot of truth boms here, John. ☄️💥☄️💥
Additionally: this sermon has been the last straw for me. No justice? We don't need justice right now? The world doesn't need justice at a time when there are more enslaved humans per capita in any given country than any other time in the history of the world (due to human trafficking and labor trafficking). No justice? Hearing Kris say that makes me desperately sad that I ever held him in regard. It makes me wonder how you could spend any time in the presence of Jesus of Nazareth (that was the hood, btw, Jesus didn't come to the earth and set up his ministry in sunny S. California with step daddy jo paying for his Pategonia and hiking gear to wear on a stage.. he lived in squalor... the kind of place where you work all hours of the day and have no money or possessions to show for it) and say he doesnt want justice for this earth? How could you spend any time interacting with any headline right now and say that he doesnt want justice. I will admit that God's justice doesnt always look like ours but HOW COULD YOU READ THE BIBLE AND MISS MICAH 6:8?????
well said John
Revelation 6:10
“They cried out with a loud voice, “Oh Sovereign LORD, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the Earth?”
Thanks John you Rock Brother
Thank you.
Kris Vallotton says God speaks to him but he gets it wrong every time...God is not speaking to him, not an ounce of discernment in his bones.
Thank you brother
Who is the artist in the music video you are playing clips of?
NFrealmusic. The song is called "the search." He's known by NF. Thanks for watching 🙏
God and Jesus want JUSTICE!!!!
It seems like there's a vested interest in IHOPKC and that if they fall, it's going to affect Bethel. At least, that's the perception by the way KV is carrying on (and I might say "ditto") from Stephen Strang.
And $teve $trang is still selling Bickle books on his website charisma house . They are on sale today !😉
KV is sick. He is a blind and deaf Pharisee who thinks he knows the truth but it is only truth from his view. Thank you John, for coming back to speak on this. You have spoken everything me and my prayer partners have been praying. It’s time to get off the stage and have real conversations. And the people listening and laughing is truly sad. He speaks blasphemy and they laugh. Shame on them for continuing to speak man’s word and not the truth of God’s word. And to do it, like you said, from a stage. People should have walked out! God help us! Like John said, read your word and the truth of God speaks.
So- logic says Every so called Prophet that endorsed T Bentley is disqualified. Truth says all of you so called prophets that were co working with bickle - disqualified. How could you claim prophetic insight when you missed this.
Because their all self proclaimed FALSE Prophets. So sick and disgusting.
Oh yes we heard Tammy Woods and Jane Doe. Thank you.
Can I just mention how troubled I am at Bill Johnsons new fiancee being a spiritual daughter that was literally mentored by his late wife Beni, the age gap is about 25 years, she is younger than his oldest son Brian. Hes written foreword for her book years back when Beni was alive that now sounds incredibly creepy to me. She is obsessed with royalty and regards Bill charismatic royalty / a king. She worked for Kris Valloton..
How long has this relationship been going on and why is the age difference the same as MB and JD?
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Gossip and slander if you dont produce the proof
What’s Kris numbers ?.. I have a lot of questions!!
What?????!!!! 😮
Oooops sound like Diane Bickle must have gotten Beni’s prophetic word by accident .
I am a screenwriter and have connections to a few different film companies (I have worked for them/they have made successful documentaries) if you are serious about doing a documentary about this, I am super serious about being interested in working with you on the project/ bringing in some of my other friends (if the project gains that much traction) who are also Christians in the film industry. Can I get an email to connect with you there?
Hi 👋 yeah I mean, to be honest I didn’t even intend to enter the conversation so early. I have been gathering my thoughts a lot over the years though and have a video production background. I am open to ideas 💡 & potential collaborations in the future. Nice to hear from you. I keep forgetting to add my email to the description for people. It’s johnbastian712@gmail.com
Thanks for reaching out, have a blessed day 🙏
so a wolf is a brother? What about the victims
Mike is keeping on the DL waiting for his buddies to run cover for him.
IHOP hired front men and PR firms to block nobody currently in leadership at IHOP had the guts to come out biblically and confess and repent. They tried to minimize and then they cut and ran. Even Isaac is asking for "corporate" repentance. They're avoiding their own culpability and obfuscating responsibility by diluting the focus everywhere else but on them personally. I don't think they even know their Bibles. They preach such a hard message but retreat like cowards.
yea you could hear the laugh machine trying to start up thank God I'm out of that crap in ohio money church
Sad state of affairs
Help me out: Wasn't Valloton the Bethel guy who wrote a book with Occultism laced throughout, calling it Christian, and the outcry was so bad they yanked it from bookshelves everywhere? Why is he still allowed in leadership?
@titianmom Do you remember the title?
@@superfuntimes9850 The Physics of Heaven but looks like he only wrote the foreward. But does that mean he read it and indorsed it?
So then, read the novel “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much. Very much.
Hey Bro I heard Todd Bentley had still not repented and JohnBevere is responsible to bring that to pass and it hasn't happened yet. Thank you for truth telling. I'm staying in PRAYER for the victims.
Call me crazy, but think a lot of these pro-fake-it guys went "uh-oh" and started looking over their shoulders... It wouldn't surprise me in the least if something comes out about bethel in 2024...
And if it does come true I'm going to start my own pro-fake-it yt channel because people will fleeing from Shawn Bolz 😂😂😂
Gandolf the sorcerer at Bethel : ua-cam.com/video/O8b3yumhMNU/v-deo.html
Appreciate ur sites on utube-IHOP fiasco
Sub gained, real see real
..and they did die.. the martyrs- the apostles- our Messiah. The leaders in these gatherings are consumed with mamon. They loved the money Bently brought in.
He's evil.
Speaking out against truth around social media maybe has a place. But demonizing everyone's ministry left and right, as UA-camrs often do (not saying you are) does not. You are claiming that he has no right to speak into this. Yet that's what you're doing bro. I'm not partnering with Kris. I have not liked a good amount of his teaching and preaching. I am with you in many ways; Mike Bickle needs to be excommunicated if he is really unrepentant, and it seems that he is unrepentant. HOWEVER, nobody is asking if they are supposed to be involved in this conversation, and if you're saying shut up to Kris then shouldn't you take a similar stance? I get it, he has said one thing in a video and now is seemingly doing the opposite. You are not involved in his life and he is not in yours. This is why the internet is a distraction from real community in many ways. Speaking to the UA-cam "community": We do not have to get worked up and lash out about things. WE need to be proactive in our own communities! But social media has created this false community and we are being offended at someone else's sin while not being involved in our own church communities. If people simply poured themselves into their local church and fought for unity and truth and love, then the church would multiply. But fighting with a keyboard and with videos is no where near the same thing. It is a false replacement. Many have been deceived into this fake community online and pouring their energy into a non community where there is no true accountability and there is no true fellowship that makes you known and you know others good and bad. Scripture lays this out for us in Matthew 18. It is a personal and private process. Sure people could argue that he is one of the most public figures in Christianity so it is a public issue. That reasoning does not follow scripture. There are elements that are public so it is good to be aware of it, but God's word clearly teaches us to not set ourselves up as judge. We are constantly judging what people say in videos and sermons and we do not have any accountability for ourselves. This fake community is full of criticism of other people's ministries. What are you doing for the kingdom of God? How are you proactively serving? If we spent time living out the gospel of Jesus to those around us we would not have time to do all this fake online stuff. Sure, speak against what you believe to be false teaching. I get it. But what people online do not get is that we will be judged for every careless word that we speak (Mt. 12:36-37). We are not supposed to use our time criticizing people's ministries. Our lives need to be full of active faith, doing the works of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit in us in full submission to Christ's will. UA-cam is a tool. It is not meant to be used as a tool to sit as a judge and warn people. Everyone is so quick to condemn people and ministries without even experiencing those ministries directly. Just as we would not want to be condemned for mistakes we have made, do not condemn others. When we do that we partner with the adversary. Yes speak truth, yes have a sense of speaking against false teachings, within your own communities after you have loved others so deeply that you have given your whole self to Christ and that community. The judgement and criticism dissipates when we experience the trials and challenges of making disciples ourselves. Condemnation increases when we have sat around and done much less or nothing of what We are called to do by God.
I appreciate if you don’t believe I have the right to speak out in the UA-cam community (or that you don't believe UA-cam is a place for people to speak to this, though he puts his messages out there). However, my point was specifically in regard to Kris Vallatton, who is part of Bethel that upheld a worker of iniquity in the house of God - who brought harm to many (Todd Bentley). Such a man doesn’t have authority to confront other false teachers (as per the Scriptures) unless he repents and makes things right with God and the body. I have been commanded by Christ “to judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). I can respect if this channel is not for you 🤷♂but yes, I have experienced Bethel. I lived in Redding. I invite you to watch someones channel in its full context before passing judgments on their channel, as I watched for years Kris Vallatton and other teachers like him. Thanks for sharing your perspective 🙏