I would say stop worrying about every class crying and fix STV considering it hasn't worked properly since launch with layering and or lag issues. Next, take all resources applied to banning gold buyers and focus it on the thousands and thousands of bot accounts dedicated to destroying the economy. You designed a game with zero ability to aquire gold (unless you go hard af and hit max level before everyone else) while allowing bots to destroy the economy and you punish people just trying to play the game. Blizzard is clearly busting ass to balance classes and communicating extremely well, people will always cry about their class or the class they think is too strong. Stop catering to complaints and fix your game.
Make rogues healers obviously. Jk It's already so not vanilla they should just add a grouping Que that ppl that can't find groups can enter I to and that's that. Spending hours trying to make a group and never making it to the raid is the worst
I just showed this video to my grandmother and she got out of her wheelchair to turn the volume up because she enjoyed it so much. Thank you for making miracles possible
@@NOHITJEROME she was having trouble finding a group but after I showed her this video she found a group easy and parsed 99’s while getting every item slot BiS’d! Thanks Jrome!
The attitude of a lot players in todays WoW is unbelievable. I like it when my class is an underdog because it digs through the players I wouldn’t want play with. I also can’t believe anyone is checking logs or gs for Gnomer. Crazy times were in lol
Yeah the groups that ONLY want the highest damage flavor of the month are hilarious. You know they don't have confidence in clearing the raid without bruteforcing damage. Means there's very high odds the mechanics will be a disaster in the raid. Had a group with 2 rogues the other day that was absolutely fine, probably smoother than the other runs. Very silly
It's sort of, shake the snow globe, see where things land, tweak afterwards. Great for keeping things fresh but then the rogue gets trapped in the bottom of the snow globe and nobody notices for like 6 weeks LMAO. As spriest I feel really bad looking at some of the classes in pvp right now by comparison. I get heals..arguably the highest dps..a 5 second silence..fear..multiple ways to get full mana..lots of damage reducing abilities. Do shadow priests feel right to you right now? lol
Rogues? Hah! Try being a ret pally or a warrior... Kill me. Priests are broken, any priest main trying to say otherwise is delusional. Also just damage in general is already out of control, and people are so anti nerfs so everything just keeps getting buffed up. We need damage nerfs to normalize damage, always just buffing everything up to the best stuff is just horrible design, and the power creep will only get worse.
@@girthpapi thats what i been saying lmao buffing everything is so bad. its what makes it the most unlike classic the fastest. runes should be mobility and playstyle changes not instawin power spikes
Grats on leveling up to 20k!!! My thoughts on the layering is, they could have 2 settings that you could select from right clicking your character pane. You select high pop or low pop depending on what you are looking for, and Blizzard could set like the first 4 layers to high population settings, and the last 4 layers to a lower max population, this would give players the chance to just pick the type of experience they want vs giving them a way to cheat the system.
Vgullotta, this is EXACTLY what we need. A lot of people would say "you can't let players pick the layer..they'll abuse it." But your solution 100% solves this. The problem right now is that there is a set of the population that LOVES crowded areas, they love crowded fights, they don't want to go a second without seeing people to kill. But then a set of the playerbase would much rather have smooth lag free gameplay with the tradeoff being less action. Blizz seems to think they can't cater to both at the same time. Your solution solves it 100%
All the 40 level farm spots are highly contested. 5-10 folks rummaging around the area is fine, but the last couple weeks there are like 40+ in SoS, 40+ horde farming turtles in Tanaris. The spider cave in Dustwallow has more players/bots than spiders. The whelps in Badlands.... lol I mean what whelps in badlands. All I see in that valley are the occasional Truesilver node and those elite dragons in the middle.
every spot is INSANELY contested yes. the waylaid change won't help with that either. these zones simply aren't designed for 5k people to be in them. Best solution is probably ulda farm on hunter which is why i'm leveling a hunter. have you found any workarounds for the crowding?
Hi DasJoppe, I undestand your decision. But man they are probably going to buff warrior in a week or two (seeing what they've done lately) and you know you will be the god at level 60. Maybe we have to accept that things are going to be a rollercoaster. I think they hope you play an alt while your main is weak, but maybe that isn't your style. 100% xp bonus isn't so bad after all :D
Thinking of quitting too, although i got a spot as Main Tank in my guild. Neither tanking the raid as a Warrior nor any other activities are fun as a Warrior right now. You can just watch range nuke anything while i struggle with lvl 43 Mobs lol. The difference to Phase 1 is: i cba to level a "fun class" up again (spamming sm etc.), nor do i have the time to. Phase 2 is already the turning point, the game lost a lot of a more casual approach PS: video hit the nail on the head
I almost quit. Rogue main. I decided to just play pvp and have fun get exalted and gear up that way. Plus that will get me gear in future phases as well. But yea I'm done even trying to get into gnomer. Been the worst exp
I play a warrior. I have the 2 hand epic axe off last boss in gnomer, the thermaplug. I also have the epic waist. Both together give my warrior a 208 wep skill. Yet even with this i do no damage. I went out into the badlands to mine. got knocked off my mount and struggled to kill 2 lv 40 mobs after popping sweeping strikes then had to sit and eat to full because i almost died lol. Meanwhile while im eating i see a melee hunter taking on 4 lv 40s and not losing any hp. Feels sorta bad
wow, that is really rough matt, I think most of us have an illusion that full B IS on war will lead to very high dps and good scaling. Let me tell you something that will make you upset. My fresh naked hunter can kill level 46s and my pet doesn't die and I don't lose any hp. I bet your warrior dies to 1. Same story with most classes, the tuning is not quite there lol
yes that's my theory for why they don't get rid of 100% of al lbots. mats are just too expensive otherwise. but they could also increase mat spawnrates..so idk
I played SoM until the end clearing naxx a few times and yes consume have become very expensive (at the end of aq 40 there were like 4 guilds still raiding on my server kingsfall and it wasn't worth for bots to operate on there) but I feel like consumes become even more expensive in SoD. Prices nowadays are already way to high so I'm not sure about that one tbh. In sod there are enough ppl so that bots are not needed for the economy imho
You know i think the problem lies more with the individual responsibility in raids and the pug playerbase having ko trust, so wanting the easiest "minmax" like taking casters and priests. My guild is 2nd on my realm for speed and i am the 2nd DPS ret pala global and we run holy pala and rogue who have average parses around 90. I blame the raid design more than the specs or balancing in honest and the general mindset of pugs.
I believe in that as well where people don't want to risk failing and they don't want to put the burden of carrying the group on themselves. The solution is to put as much focus as possible on the comp itself and just bringing the highest possible dps characters. not entirely sure how to solve that
@NOHITJEROME One nice idea I've heard of, especially with the introduction of 20 man's, would be to have a 10 and 20 man version, with the caveat of either no epics or a lower loot ratio for 10 man's
P2 has been fun, I didn't think I would try it, but unfortunately unless you love PvP and love playing FOTM, P2 for me has no legs. It doesn't feel good when you walk into raid with prebis, and realize that you're already half way to actual bis. On a 3 day reset, I imagine it will only be a few more weeks before I'm done with Gnomer, especially since I really didn't like that instance to begin with. Throw in the 20 man raids coming in P3+ has me realizing I've been on this (ahem retail) merry-go-round before, and I'm a bit played out.
Hi Neverclevernorwitty, it's deifnitely a pvp and goldmaking endgame right now and that feels wrong because the endgame is usually raids first. I feel like they want the endgame to be alts as well, but it was too hard to get a bunch of alts to 40 so that was out of the question. with the 100% boost coming that will be helped at least. do you think you'll make some alts this phase? or are you really burning out badly
Well my only 2 problems are : The layer/lag issues in STV and ofc the pressure that people apply to the devs, forcing TOO many changes VERY fast. About the gold, i don't care.. it's an mmorpg. You gotta farm gold.. if someone thinks that farming gold in SOD is bad, he obviously never played any other MMOs.. especially the grindy ones. PvE balance is fine.. rogues are taken into raids just fine, people are overeacting like they always do... Rogues don't need to be top dps at every single phase, they can sit at the bottom for once, they were at the top for 20+ years.. they will be fine. STV Wood shouldn't give rep up to exalted obviously.. i have no idea why this is the case. But regardless, Exalted in AB is just a tabard.. lol AB is still super fun, premades are gone, que is very fast.. everything is fine... again, people overeacting for no reason. Runes are a problem for the same reason they were a problem in phase 1. Blizzard fucked it up with the rune locations, putting every single rune into STRICTLY alliance territories... a big mistake on their part. Horde having runes in the wetlands is just straight up bullshit. Also, for the new players... the game doesn't have to hold your hand as you play. Log in, and fucking figure shit out... communicate with people, exchange infromation, discover stuff.. do whatever the fuck u want and don't feel pressured to follow a standard pattern. Stop asking for "Retail" and bran bronzebeard to hold ur hand even on the easiest things... figure shit out.
Hi Akhsdenlw, the layering/lag does seem to be improving somewhat at least. And there are definitely too many changes too fast. As for gold, I think the issue is that grindy mmos may not work for us as we get older. I do like the grind and having an advantage from my time spent, but a lot of people are too busy nowadays. Rogues are overreacting, but I think their concern is valid - you pick a class that SHOULD do top 5 dps and it does bottom 5 because of a random patch..how is that fair? As for STV, they definitely should change it to just revered to bring back AB. Rune locations / runes in general to me are the REAL issue though. Lag..balance..it's whatever. But we are going to have 40 abilities and I don't know how that is going to work at all at 60.
Correction Rogues ALWAYS had a problem getting a raid spot. Check Classic Era = so many people level Rogues only to see the cruel reality of not being able to join Naxx or BWL or MC. A normal guild has 1-4 rogues max and they don't recruit more, same with SR Pugs they don't take more than a few. Unless your doing GDKP gearing up your Rogue is not fun, similarly with finding dungeon groups usually you will see "LFM UBRS no more Rogues" or something similar. Unless you make your own groups you have kind of screwed. Similar experience starting out in Wrath Classic maybe now its different but in P2 when Ulduar came out.... people took 1-2 Rogues and that was it. So nothing new with Rogues if your really analyze how Rogues have been oversaturated in each version of the game = if a class becomes too popular it will have an issue getting into a group since there is too much competition.
Hi TheLazySpoiledKitty, it's true that rogues are in a strange spot in classic where they do nearly the highest damage but are outclassed by warrior. Rogues are insanely fun and everyone wants to play one, but they don't bring the raid utility. I'd say the difference in this version is that we expected rogues to be top 3 dps consistently and now they are not there and the bottom fell out. The complaint is not so much that rogues should be entitled to the raid spot, it's that these players leveled with the expectation of doing a certain amount of damage (partially in response to them having no utility) - so then they don't do damage and that's a disaster and they have to pay to get raid spots. Do you think those rogues should just reroll at this point? I don't see any other way to fix the oversaturation.
I completed it for the first time last night. Everyone did their job and it was a super smooth run. If one person doesn’t do their job it can really make things a lot harder. In BFD you can usually make it work.
Congratulations clorett on your clear. It's definitely the bill belichek "do your job" raid lol. Which makes it a NIGHTMARE for pugs because half the raid doesn't do their jobs. As for BFD you could carry 5 random people consistently. Not sure if this phase is pug friendly enough. As for the loot, it feels even worse in pug because you keep having a revolving door of different players. Did you manage to find a guild? Smooth runs are not common in pugs.
yeah SO much power creep. soloing instances..being able to 10 man molten core at 60. they will have to do a lot of big changes or things will be WEIRD lol. already getting oneshot by half the abilities in the game too. do you think they should dial things back next phase?
I agree matts I think they must have data that people hate ab or something lol..not sure why they killed it. but i do think they want the game to be really alt friendly and that explains the decision. doesn't explain wsg still being a grind though
makes sense they wanted STV to be relevant and yes it doesn't really matter since AB is still popping. the more i think about it..it's genius. rankers will STILL rank so AB will be hot at 60. they just played us like a fiddle lol@@matts7125
This is now my favorite SoD content channel. Agreed with everything in this video To add I would say the 100% xp buff is welcome, but mostly because leveling sucks now. You're either stuck spamming SM or competing with 10 people for one mob since the layer change rollback. Feels like they bandaid'd the leveling process instead of fixing actual issues. So for p3 are we going to have to spam dungeons again? They also promised "alternate ways to level" and BFD on 3 days lockout isn't really that.
hi alys landale, thank you for saying that. as for the xp buff, I agree. leveling is rough right now because the zones aren't designed for so many people. dungeon spam seems to be the only route right now and as a result they HAD to boost xp because not everyone can find dungeon groups. the alternate leveling method was supp[osedly waylaid supplies but they just weren't giving enough xp. maybe now that we can make a lot of gold questing 1-40 it will be more worthwhile. do you think it will move the needle?
@@NOHITJEROME I think it would have been fine if they didn't roll back the layers into being overcrowded again. They can't seem to find a happy medium on that. Raise the gold earned by questing at level cap so it feels more like p1 again and there is something worth doing other than raid logging or finding some niche to farm. Also buff spawn rate on gatherables and quest mobs I just miss the more casual feeling of p1. Questing at level cap felt rewarding. I could farm stuff or just quest on an alt for fun. We are still level 40 on what is supposed to be a casual version of classic. The average player shouldn't have to be jumping through hoops to afford stuff raid consumes.
Looks like blizz has addressed a lot of the gold problems: 1.) Half the Cost of Mount 2.) Increased Gold on Questing 1-39 3.) Increased Gold on Waylaid supplies (sell or trade in, win win for gatherer/crafters) Me as a rogue, I am just about to hit 40, I have a guild to play in, and I think if I need to pug(we have more than 10 raiders less than 15), I will find reasonable people to PUG with that accept someone taking effort on their character to perform well.
yep pretty much all the major issues have had tweaks / changes, we will see if they end up paying off. having a guild for your rogue is a great sign, i think guilds are generally more reasonable than pugs. and then you'll randomly get a nice buff in the next few weeks
I may be weird but I’m enjoying farming gold, looking at the AH and using my professions to make money to improve my gear is paced well to feel good about finally getting the improvements
it's a lot of fun kyle, at least for me and you. but man if you don't like goldfarming or AH you are in a lot of trouble this phase with how expensive everything is. the new gold farming with waylaid supplies should help a lot though. have you made any money from those yet?
These are the type of videos we need content creators to focus on. it’s not toxic or wrong to point out the consistent flaws in blizzards game and lack of attempts and lack of resources spent to fix the issues. The only other solution is to stop giving them money in which case the game will.
hi chris, thank you for saying this. i am very grateful they are making this mode, but there are definitely some issues that will grow over time especially ability creep and having 30 things to press by the endgame. that is really my biggest concern. I think i will keep playing though. what about you - will you keep playing?
I'm having a blast! My only complaint is the exp boost coming so fast. I would be fine with previous season leveling increases but I feel rushed to level and experience things naturally if I want to do things as intended. People are so caught up in needing to have 10 toons to 40 that they are boosting after 20 days of Phase 2. Vanilla was supposed to be a grind fest. It was supposed to take longer to get around, to level and to be properly geared. Now people are "bored" after they hit 40 but haven't done a single quest that didn't get them gear or PvP for anything but rewards. World PvP is a thing guys and it's fun! Love the game and the content but I don't like feeling so rushed...
hi sturmbjorn, very interesting counterpoint. most people seem very positive about the leveling, bujt at the same time I can definitely see your feeling that things are being rushed. this phase feels like it's getting rushed along by public opinion, which is definitely something related to the blizz mentality of keeping everyone happy and trying to avoid complaints. the problem i see is that if you remove the grinds there isn't anything left to do. until they add more things to do
@@NOHITJEROME I think the EXP bonus is a good thing in the context of incentivizing alts but I would like to see them implement a system where your main has to hit cap to unlock the boost account wide (or some version of this). That way your first time around you have to earn your progress and unlock an easier way to experiment with other classes. Also, I think it would at the very least, slow the Bots down. I know not everyone shares my opinion, but it has been my life experience that things you work for are always more gratifying and would be the best compromise to letting everyone get their desired experience.
rogue slots have ALWAYS been contested, even with melee stack in original classic LFG was always full of rogues. Downside to playing a fun and popular class.
It's true captain, you look at original classic (especially SOM) everyone was like..warriors..or rogues. Why play anything else? The current downside I see is that you can make ferals suck and you still bring them..wild strikes. But rogues aren't invaluable to the raid right now. So blizzard made rogues a viable tank..that's great to help the tank shortage..but I imagine less than 10% of the rogue population actually wants to tank. What do you think they should do to fix rogues right now?
I still remember playing season of mastery in P4 when I was the only mage in a few molten core runs and was just acting as decurse and food/water bot. Considering rogues dont bring any support with them I think they should get major dmg buffs. In the dps charts, rogue is only above 4 other classes when you look at wcl rn. And rogue cant compete in the slightest with those classes when it comes to bringin support to the raid. Thats why I think rogue should be one of the best single target dps classes in the game
I agree with you, blizz put in some unnecessary runes p2. I can also argue that warriors and rogues not having enough defensive runes is an issue. It seems like the wrong classes got survival runes for this phase. I'm very happy with SoD so far, but I would like to see each classes runes a little more well rounded. Being forced into a one spec meta on each class is rough. There are only a few outliers in that aspect.
defensive runes for warrior would have been perfect, less damage this phase more focus on utility, shoring up some of the obvious flaws with classes without removing class identity. an example being that warriors charging in and instantly dying is just not that fun right now, giving a very short damage reduction duration (maybe 5sec) with warbringer for example would be nice without adding to the one shot fiestas. glad you are still having fun, ultimately we will all get to be overpowered at some point during the game and that's nice at least. but man at 60 we are going to have what..9 rune abilities to press? lol
The gnomergan raid has been gate kept… I haven’t done it yet because no one wants a BM hunter and when I geared to get my pre bis and became a melee hunter NO ONE WANTS EM ANYMORE, so I just took the liberty of making phase 2 a lvl up phase and won’t do gnomer because apparently it’s to “hard” and no one wants to waste a lock out on new lvl 40s. I really hope phase 3 isn’t like phase2 though the STV event is lots of fun
hmm..it's definitely a side effect of the dartboard balancing they are doing where you can make a character and be undesirable for raids. i would say though that using this phase as a levelup phase to make a bunch of alts is a great idea. but i bet you can join a pug on any character you make within 20 min as long as you play a meta class. just anything except bm hunter :D
the only problem with phase 2, even with phase 1, is that the servers on the horde side are empty and there's no way to even make scarlet monastary, and I'm playing priest in this phase. As you can no longer do char in the alliance, the only way to do it is to give up and wait for next year for them to do things correctly. But I doubt they will do that.
hi miekna, this seems like a really big problem. what server are you on? on my server there are groups, though you might end up running back from the graveyard a LOT if you are in my group :D maybe the 100% bonus will help
Biggest problem is trying to make Classic like retail/every other failed game. Classic is meant to be a grind/that is what makes it great. New attitude is “leveling is hard? Here’s a boost” “gold is hard to get in a game where having gold matters” here’s easier ways to get it and reduced mount costs. Love the new abilities/content. Scared for the direction it’s taking.
it's true penny but do 30 year old guys with families (or living in the basement like me lol) have time to grind all day? these systems are all in place because the demographic changed..we changed. we were 12-24 with infinite time to play. now we have less time and the result is all these quick fixes
@@NOHITJEROME I can average about 6 hours of gametime a week as a 30 year old with a kid (sneaking in time between naps) I am content slowly getting to max level and if I just have one max character, then so be it! I’m okay with sacrificing immediate gratification for a longtime longevity of WoW. But you are absolutely right sir. Love your content and positivity. Your videos have always put a smile on my face. Thanks for being a large part of our great community!
I can understand both of your points, but why should everyone have access to everything? It should be determined by either skill(mostly) or time like in every other game, that is something that has been lost a little in wow. You can more or less just play the game a little bit and get all you want. Earlier in wow it was cool to see someone with a certain type of gear or something that you knew took a little skill or time but now it’s just..meh..
I am only 2 slots away from full Bis due to extraordinary luck with the rolls and I am doing fine with my raid dps. However.... I had a Rogue whisper me for advice on what daggers to use for mutilate. He told me then same story about not getting a raid spot and so I have took him into my guild to raid with our alts. I feel sorry for the average rogue trying to raid.
First of all grats on your excellent loot luck, that is fantastic to hear. Do you have the full tier set already? as for the rogues tory, that's wonderful you brought him in. it is a rough time and then next phase or p4 they will be gods and everyone will beg them to come back..ahh the cycle of wow
Yeah I got the 3/3 set on the 2nd raid and the epic dagger on the 3rd raid. Just finished my wsg grind to exalted today and dropped skinning and maxxed LW tonight so I can craft the epic helm. I am parsing tomorrow night and aiming for the 1% spot in dps while I have the gear advantage hehe.@@NOHITJEROME
Idk, I'm enjoying P2. I am a shadow priest though. It would suck to main a class that isn't desired right now without a guild to take you into Gnomer. I don't know how you fix that because some class is always going to end up on the bottom of the meters.
As shadow priest you definitely get to have some of the most fun right now. We had the one shot fun with SWD, the high raid damage, we are the best non-healer utility since we can heal the raid. Very desirable for bloodmoon too. I think the traditional solution was that specs like spriest were always support which meant that was your reasoning for bringing them to raid. Then the classes with less utility like rogue would do all the damage. Now we have spriest with damage AND utility. The only solution is to unfortunately make the support classes less fun or just accept that a lot of classes won't get raid spots. Do you think spriest right now is in a good place balance wise Justin? It's fun..but I wouldn't say balanced.
Fair assessment. I'm just going to enjoy the spot my class is in while I can, if it gets a nerf I can see it being fair. I definitely feel fortunate that I don't have to handle balancing in the game, haha.@@NOHITJEROME
@@RichSmithson Hunters were one of the most in-demand classes for the entirety of p1 though? Even after all the nerfs they were one of the strongest DPS and also gave the raid 10% stats
see I have a very opposite experience lawrence because I play a priest and people pay me to play with them..I assume you are on a rogue or warrior right now? lol. I can't brag..they'll nerf priest or buff other healers and I'll be in your position all over again
My biggest problem? Not enough to do outside of raiding. There wasn't really any prebis grind. Most of your BFD gear was bis or near bis. I find my self logging in, running around IF for 5 minutes and logging out. There isnt enough meaningful content after you hit 40 and get your rune.
It's a big problem Wellzy. You HAVE to enjoy either pvp or alts to find enough content. I think blizzard wishes everyone just made 5 alts and that's how they drag the phase out. But if you are traditional and only really play 1 char (which I assume you do) then you are out of luck. Maybe you can start working on some rep grinds like timbermaw..ab..wsg?
The rune system might just be too ambitious for blizz, i like that some of my warrior runes are just passive to be honest. Couldnt imagine how many complaints blizz gets every day, probably too many to even read.
ya it's ambitious and on paper nearly impossible to balance. i'd argue even balancing the BASE game without runes would be nearly impossible. (you'd just make the warrior mains mad) and now they have opened pandoras box. what would you do at this point to balance the runes? I'd add more qol/passive runes, and stop adding new strong abilities. as for the complaints, i wonder if they just go to complaints after they already planned on fixing something and then engage with that complaint. so it seems really collaborative but they had the plan in place already. and then they just ignore all the other complaints. wouldn't even be mad if that was the case lol it makes sense
I have no solutions tbh, I'm just hoping they add new raids dungeons or even zones in the future, which im sure the classic team is undermanned for that. Us players are never happy though.
it's really fun connor, i want to try to win 10+ games in a row or maybe 20 one day, but theres no need right now reward-wise, it's pure for fun now and it was required before for those very nice boots
@@NOHITJEROME I try hard now to get 21k honor on Warsong to get an epic wrist. Only 100 points of rep for 3 marks. Feel like I will spent on that all my life : ))))
The biggest problem with SoD is something they've admitted, they are new game designers and it shows. They made phase 1's raid have high magical resistances out of the gate so raids would stack melee/hunters and now they went full opposite in phase 2 and all of these melee/hunter stack guilds are struggling to down MT even with the nerfs. They swung the pendulum too far in either direction and didnt balance each raid so that guilds would have balanced comp, now all you see in Gnomer general and LFG is "LFM Caster DPS and Lock tank".
a lot of original 2004 devs worked on other games or had many years of experience. it's part of the problem of the modern games industry or really any industry. instead of keeping long time talent they lay them off and bring in new people and pay them less. i don't blame the employees, it's not a fair position to be in. they need years to learn and make mistakes. my theory is that they are really just told what to do by data people and the issue is there's a disconnect between the final product and the joy and passion that is needed to take these games to the next level..sorry not sure why I went on that rant lol
There is just too much damage coming from runes without buffing our survivability runes. Warriors are the straight losers here and need our utility runes buffed. Let warbringer give 20% damage reduction on your charge, intercept and intervene for 2/3s. Enraged regen needs a 30% dr on top of heal. Victory rush needs to proc on assists/kills Reset on kills. (or always active with a version of reset on kill/assist). would be interesting if it had a scaling modifier with hp or missing hp either for dmg or healing. scale off stamina directly? remove shared cooldown from retal/shield wall/recklessness. reduce them to 10-15 min cds. put a 30sec to 2 min cd shared on activation. (main thing is removing shared cd)
Hi Omrxx, I believe you are 100% correct. They allowed damage to get massively scaled up without scaling up the gear or items..mages have like 900 hp lol. As for warriors, more utility would be amazing. I like the idea of warbringer giving damage reduction, right now warriors charge in and disappear instantly. As for victory rush I definitely would love to see warriors become open world monsters, victory rush SHOULD be the most fun leveling/trash farming ability ever. Removing shared cd also seems good to me. The thing is that nothing is going to fix the part where ranged have a huge advantage in a nuke meta like this. Even with 20% damage reduction you'll die instantly. What do you think can be done about that? Flat stamina buff in the open world? More stam on gear?
@@NOHITJEROME This will completely depend on the direction on how they want to take other classes survivability. I have liked the route of them buffing stamina as this turns into a gearing choice, opting to choose scaling stamina as opposed to a flat Damage reduction (players who choose no stamina gear do not see as much benefit). Agreed even with the warrior changes outlined we will still instantly disintegrate, but this is kind of the pathway they need to take if they want to start balancing the damage input/output. At least this can give us a litmus test of, was these changes crazy? do we need to go father? are the current runes just doing to much damage? Part of it, is I don't know what is on the horizon. So I can only gauge changes off the known elements. I really think the outlined Victory Rush and Warbringer changes could move the warrior class into a good direction.
I think like you.... I have the impression that it's more of a race for money than a game of pve / pvp, mutual aid and fun lol. And without even forcing you can make a lot of money if you play a little but what's the point of having 2000 golds if you don't know how to use them ^^'. Can't wait to see phase 3! And thank you again for the video!
It's definitely a race for money right now, but i don't think the endgame being money makes the most sense. I am glad they have decided to move a little bit away from that with the new waylaid changes and quest gold. Hopefully new alt leveling on tuesday will be a blast and very profitable at the same time. Do you plan to level any more alts before p3 goldenace?
@@NOHITJEROME For to be honest I spent a lot of hours raising my priest and my hunter to level 40... I still have my druid and my level 25 mage to raise to level 40... On the other hand, I really want to build a tank! I don't know if I take a warrior so as not to have competition on equipment or do I try a warlock or shaman.... And you dude ?
hmm, well first off you picked the 2 best classes. hunter for goldfarming and priest for pvp/raids. as for your tank idea, surprisingly rogue could be a good option if you want a rogue. they are VERY tanky (somehow). but war just got buffed so that's an option too. as for me, i want a rogue next and a mage to master them for pvp/dueling tournaments@@goldenace3457
You're 100% right AB, there's no carrot on the stick for the AB rep. Premade ban was a mistake and lumber rep should have been capped at revered. Phase 2 has been a bit of a failure compared to phase 1.
agreed sceramhawk, wish there was SOME reward though I do want the boots and trinket (already easy to get just doing bloodmoon) - I think they really want the phase to be alt f riendly and the content is "making new alts" which is ok but you don't have a huge amt of stuff to do as a solo player
Only reason players check logs and gs for a level 40 ten player raid is bc they need good players to carry them:) there I said it. Thanks for vid bro gg
Yep it's true, and it makes sense. good players make raids easy. teaching players and giving them a welcoming experience does not give you direct benefit in the game. maybe lifelong friendships..but who needs hose
I agree it also lets rogues reroll to shadow priests and mages in record time. No lie I wonder if this is part of the strat to fill out the content though lol. Nerf half the previous phases good classes, make them reroll, then swap every phase
l also feel that all that honor that we farm in bg is useless and could be used to buy pvp rewards or rank up 5+ , l feel like doing bg only for rep now ..
yeah I wish there was a way to do something with honor. Maybe mailing it to alts? frankly a controversial change, but what if you could mail honor directly to your alts, but it expired at the end of the phase? so no abuse for next phase, but if you want to keep progressing and having fun you can also gain honor for all your alts to get their trinkets etc
I thought it was r6 until your comment jeff..logged in and i'm rank 5. That's so strange to me, it felt like 6 was the obvious choice for this phase. I'm worried we are still going to have SO much ranking to do in p4 lol. I will do it though, as frustrating as 5man ranking sounds. Those gnomes won't die without me there after all. Will you push r14 do you think?@@JeffDays
@@NOHITJEROME honestly not sure, if we were able to reach at least rank 6 this phase and at least 9/10 for phase 3, then I most likely would. But having to do too much in phase 4 would probably kill it.
Wow jodo this is amazing to say, I wonder how SoD is if you aren't on social media. Blizzard's entire communication is based around twitter/wowhead right now and if you aren't on those two sites you must just log in and freak out every week hahaha. Just go to the raid like "why am I doing 300 less dps than last week?" "wait what happened to my pet?" "wait my starsurge just one shot that guy"
They need to do micro dps gains to classes that are under performing. About 5% until they are par with other classes. Gnomer is a little overtuned, mostly thermaplugg for the average pug. I'm sorry to say, pressing a button and asking pugs to move in and out of an area is too much. The economy is in a real bad place. Everything just cost too much. I feel like they wanted to bleed people from all the gold buying that was happening, but for some of us, it made it impossible to craft our bis items. Its good that they added this xp buff, hopefully this helps people make alts to fill in certain spots.
I agree fully mantequillas, they should be making small tweaks to rogues..rets.. Thermaplugg is overtuned as well for pug, I still see mostly 5/6 advertising. Expecting a nerf within 2-3 weeks. Still a fun raid though :D As for the economy, everything definitely costs too much and I do hope with the new gold changes and the new waylaid changes that will start getting fixed. Has been frustrating that prices went up but gold/hour didn't really go up. As for you, do you have any plans to level new chars now that they are giving so much gold/xp out on tuesday?
yo that's good matercheff, bloodmoon is fun. i enjoy it a lot. i tried to not ma ke this video too negative, it's just things that if not addressed people will start to really complain about. but yesterday i had a fun strat i bet you would love. gurubashi arena you play on the bleachers and farm people as they turn in, pretty great
It is so strange for me - I cant understand why people don’t want a rogue? I personally want loot diversity when I make my raid and I cleared every lockout of p2 having a rogue and a warrior.
server pop is high, the idea would be that you join the high pop server but pick the less full layer. players want to be on the server where everyone else is yes but they also would pick playability over lag. so you h ave a big giant server but players are deciding if they want to sit in the asmon layer queue or not
@@NOHITJEROME I hear you and in theory it sounds good. But if the server list shows us anything, people don’t join anything low pop. Especially an event like blood moon, the vast majority of players will stick to the full layers so they can get more lucky kills for bloods over low pop and stubble to find enough people to consistently kill.
Rogues need to put on their big person pants and tank, iv yet to see any rogues attempt to tank. But instead they just keep going as dps and getting passed on spots cause they don’t tank an they have the option to tank now.
yooo cyle, you are not wrong that they need to be tanking right now, they are solid offtanks and probably will at SOME point be completely broken and nerfed (maybe in a few phases). question is this: why would a rogue dps want to tank and do less dps? itd be like asking a mage to tank. they live to play one way, they want to play that way, and the raid spots are gone. interesting social experiment at the very least to see if people prefer a) tanking or b) quitting the game. you would THINK its a, but we will see lol
@@NOHITJEROME its season of discovery, its not the original version of the game anymore. If they don’t want to tank an lose spot then its their fault for choosing to dps only. They would only need to ot for 3 fights, thats not difficult at all. Mages dont have the option to tank an using them as a example is bad in this situation. If its tbc then only one fight mages will tank an its only to spell steal a buff. If you wanted to compare a caster to tank, should of mentioned warlock instead.
My biggest issue with phase 2 is Gnomer. Its very hard for a level 40 raid especially to pug. They need to tone down the difficulty on at least the last 2 bosses. People are quitting because they cant get a raid spot because players are log checking due to it being a tough raid.
VERY hard to pug this raid and the last boss is almost never cleared by pugs. i hope since this comment you have managed to have some good experiences in the raid. it's fun with coordination..but nobody has coordination in pugs f
Make the stv event like wintergrasp in wotlk and allow different battles at the same time while having a max amount of people to not cause lag. They canneven give u the option to qeue as a 5 man vs other 5 mans or let you solo qeue where u end up in a battle where its real free for all. Give underperforming classes that cant get raid spots more raid wide utility stuff ( for example an aura that gives certain amount of melee leech that helps with the healing + gives a reason to bring melee's in your raid). At this point add locations to phase 1 runes where they are easier to get for said faction (less traveling, runes that have u kill elites can now be get from certain no elites) & reduce the items needed for the grizzby rune. Let players who paid full price for mount get an items that gives u a free mount on an alt (basicly restoring the gold u payed extra). Just a few ideas. Ps: my guild has 2 raid groups going now and we have several " underperforming " classes and we still clear it ( even with new to the raid people)
Hi Shocking, the WG style idea makes sense to me. OPENS THE DOOR TO MY DREAM MODE: Battle royale. Solo queue bloodmoon with the area constricting (could add mobs that kill people if you stay in the wrong areas) As for buffing - I do agree on utility, things like melee leech are good because this is a 1 heal raid with alt heals. I would like to see more rune locations for horde, right now summoners are way too strong which feels bad since summon alts are p2w. A refund on mount would be fantastic but right now it looks like they are going to do the opposite of "exploit early exploit often" and punish us for our early goldfarming..ah well I can't be too mad about that. As for your guild, I'm glad you are succeeding even with a non meta comp and newer players. What underperforming classes are you bringing at the moment? No frost mages I assume lol
@@NOHITJEROME no frost mages but we do have hunters rogues warriors are all in there we as a guild dont look at whats meta we just want well rounded groups with lots of variation and selection is on a rotation thing wich is nice so that no one gets excluded 😊
I played enhancement shaman in phase 1 and then in p2 they were looking to be so bad and now they just keep buffing and buffing shaman without making them substantially more fun to play. Simple things like a removal of the wf icd or lowering would have made the spec just fun visually. Yet they just keep stacking %ap buff over %ap buff. Plus they completely fucked up adding 2h and now they have an entire new class to manage. Shamans have 3 Dps specs, 1 tanking and 1 heal spec. 5 specs for a single class?!! All my gear and skill progression seems so irrelevant when every lockout I have more power for no reason. Recent patch gives me a roughly 10% Dps increase and literally NOTHING about my class has changed.
Really good insight Taziod. I don't think there are many enhance experts to give this insight and it's a concern to hear. Increasing power without increasing fun is going to lead to complaints and inevitable nerfs. Shadow got overbuffed and the result was nerfing so that can be expected for anyone that gets too many buffs back to back. The lack of progression is really hitting home for me as well. My hunter hit 40 and I already can start boosting cath and making gold because the runes carry far more than gear. Same with my priest - full bis on priest barely feels different than my prebis because the runes carry healing so hard. Challenging problem to solve.
I just don’t understand why there isn’t more servers? I have no idea how game developing works but is it cheaper to just add layers rather than servers?
@NOHITJEROME look we are strong but everything of ours is kickable and outrangeable yes we can one shot but that's if you ignore us. Getting 1 or 2 Lava surge procs maybe a bg. Raid I got 16 in a full run needs a higher chance or let us atleast be able to spread our shock for a higher percent it's only 5%
hi cheezecake, I undertand that completey, which issues do you find unrelatable for you? i feel like the leveling/new player experience is a universal problem, the pvp being less so
I know you were subbed s alma, we've talked many times. I hope you are enjoying yourself and not getting too frustrated by all the balance changes and lag. What have you been up to?
@@NOHITJEROMEHi Jerome! It has actually been very fun! I've been enjoying the raid, the quest.. soloing dungeons a little bit with hunter.. other than the sm grind part, I really love it! I hope they can keep the future raid not too crazy... and I agree with what you said about the number of runes... hope they keep them under control!
yooo thanks hagarengela. i very much appreciate this. do you think there are any major problems currently with SOD that you want to see fixed? I hope you are enjoying it either way
I don’t hate the state of the economy. It’s a near impossible thing to balance, so all things considered, I’d say they are doing a pretty good job. Things are slightly too expensive, but otherwise inflation has been kept well under control. Maybe I’d just like a few more reliable ways to earn gold
I hate the state of the economy because it feels hard to flip or extract money from it. For non AH manipulators I assume it feels very good instead. With the new changes though I think the economy will be much more enjoyable for me They are adding new reliable ways to farm gold just like you mentioned - more gold pre-40 from questing as well as the boxes that can turn in for up to 12 gold. Do you plan to quest to level and make some gold next week Watts?
Huge problem with warrior all other players are enjoying playing classic wow with there wotlk cata spells. Meanwhile warrior is STUCK in vanilla wow the abilities we have are not cool or even good. You can do really good dps if you mid max all of your items and rotation. Meanwhile a boomie ele spriest can wear sm gear in gnomer and pump. Its pretty fucking stupid.
i agree. i actually wish we were getting more warrior-style balancing for all classes. im not sure i love the retail abilities. though i do like dispersion, thank god for that.
lol that's exactly the case and people are not taking it well. could make the argument it sucks to make a char and expect a raid spot and then get treated like garbage though. cant feel TOO bad though
It's the nature of the beast with WoW and class balances. There will always be a stronger, more desirable class, and you'll always come last to that spot in the raid. Especially in the early weeks where the raids are not total walkovers. As the phase progresses, people won't care about group comps as much and the lesser classes will get their spots. It's always happened and I think always will, sometimes you're the shitty class and sometimes you're the meta. Just how it goes! Rogues were beast in P1, for example.
Hi Travis, I understand and you are right about how raid / class balancing is. The issue comes from the players committing to warrior..rogue..etc and out of nowhere the whole raid is caster focused. It's very frustrating when you can't plan and it feels random. Though from a fairness angle the balancing makes perfect sense
Yeah! It does really suck when you go all-in on a class and they pull a 180 on you. At least with SoD alts are expected/encouraged, I guess. I think Blizz should have every class bring 'something' to the raid, so even if you are weak one phase you still are desired.@@NOHITJEROME
i agree everyone should be able to bring something even if they are going to nerf things every other patch. i definitely see their alt approach where they want you to make at least multiple types of classes ie caster + physical. i'll definitely be rushing more alts next phase to fix that@@travisdray1221
In my opinion, 10man is too few and why people are unable to find raid spots on " less desirable" classes. A sizeable enough portion of the community seems to be hyper focused on Min/Max and when you limit a Raid to 10 players and put a lot of armor on bosses or make certain classes the most desirable, than we end up with a lot of people/classes with no raid spot! Even in 2019 Classic with warrior stacks you would still want some of the other classes and have room for them, Or not have enough of the more desirable classes to stack your 40man full of them. 10players feels too limited, and forces/ heavily encourages meta comps. I'm happy 20mans are coming in future phases and cant wait for 40mans to be back! Having fun with the phase as a Shockadin tank and looking forward to what they cook up in the future.
hi luxveros, 10 man is definitely too small, but at the same time it's even hard to find 10 players sometimes. the issue is blizzard is trying to keep everyone happy when it's an impossible task. As for balance, with the current culture it seems impossible. Either everyone has utility and brings something else or you just bring the highest damage. And 10man definitely encourages meta comps more like you said. As for shockadin, I love that spec and it is my favorite. I hope they add enough gear to be able to one shot with shockadin. I really really like that build.
@@NOHITJEROME Thanks for the reply! Yeah I do not envy the position the devs are in. All in all its been really fun and I would rather them keep classes strong and bring everyone up to that level, but like you said it wont be possible to make everyone happy. as for Shockadin, While it isn't one shoting yet it is still extremely strong due to AoW and the way seal of martyrdom interact, and with the toolkit you have its very easy to out last and get some good bursts in. Especially with a STR/Crit AoW Sheath of Light Shockadin build. If you have a paladin at 40 I highly recommend giving it a try!
It's a big advice for all rogues: talant swap now cost only ONE GOLD, so you can easily take talants into Tank way and go to Gnomer as tank, that open to you full clean. You can insta swap back to your main build after. . I going gnomer 3 times as a tank rogue, and get clean it 6/6 all times. Every group was random and last one we stayed nine but still allow to kill last boss what we do. . I know that rogue not such like tanking, but if there will be some likes, I can make some more factual advices about how rogue need to tank AS A MAIN TANK at gnomer.
hi neoagent, you are not wrong, tank rogue seems very strong, but how many players that main rogue WANT to tank? I am very interested to hear how different it is compared to typical rogue. I want to know about the viability of it. but I don't think most people are willing to tank. It's a lot of extra stress and pressure compared to just blasting DPS
@@NOHITJEROME The way of my tanking including full combat spec, so you can up your avoidance for 10% as well, also you better need shaman with alpha spirit in your group to keep aggro on AOE packs with shurikens. On 2 last bosses I use positionical tanking, but it some weird if you got a lot melee at your group. You need to use shadowstep at waist rune this bosses. When you take a lot damage, or chicken goes CLUCK, you just use SS to dragon (rogue often tank squirrel and chicken, so be sure, that you get enough aggro at start with bladeflurry+adrenalin rush, also you can use other bursts here). So when you ss, your heals get some time because you not take damage. Same tactic you can use to avoid damage from Termaplugg, using ss to bombs. Be sure you take enough aggro. . Minitip: do not forget ALWAYS keep blade dance on you, ESPECIALLY on bosses.
Leveling buff changes are a move in the right direction maybe having the rep BOA since we are playing a seasonal game mode as far as fixing pvp balance it’s just way too hard the runes and the way they are implemented is very janky the problem is harder to fix then it seems, ele shamans in pvp just wear full mail can’t even kill them they have a 1 min 75percent mana return 😂
hi william, it's a step in the right direction, leveling is just too frustrating for most players and takes too long especially in a seasonal mode like you said. as for balance, it's probably impossible. i guess we just have to enjoy some classes being strong each phase
LMAO christopher that is exactly what it is. I have a rant to go on..this happened in dota 2. Valve went through a phase of listening to player feedback and implementing every change. Except (most) players want something that isn't really possible with a few tweaks. They want a feeling..they want a time of their lives from years ago..no amount of complaining will bring that back. So the devs keep changing stuff..they keep getting great feedback, everyone loves it. Fast forward a year, everything people complained about is fixed. But the feeling the players are missing is still not there. Except..surprise..the game they loved also is now drastically different and full of changes everyone complained their way into. AND THEN THEY DONT WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE. I'd say in DotA listening to the players led to short term positive feedback and long term loss of players. Do you have any similar stories? Maybe this is a common practice.
And then they don't want to play anymore...exactly. It's a lot of people who don't have time for an MMO who just haven't realized it yet. I thought we based these seasons around vanilla because we all loved vanilla..@@NOHITJEROME
STV Event sucks. make the graveyards closer to the altars and remove the south beach altar/loa spawn location. Gold Sinks are too expensive. If you change the mount cost, are you reimbursing those who paid full price? 20 man MC is a disgrace, fuck that shit keep it 40 man, no balls. Gnomer is fine, but yea, melee get the shaft.
Hi Thetatekei, 1) agree on GYs, and any boss spawn near the road is always unpleasant. have you ever had a good 5man where you farmed a lot of blood? there is SOMETIHNG to the event, it's just not consistent 2) too many gold sinks yes and the bigger issue - no way to make gold. they added some goldfarming methods now with waylaid supplies and questing 1-40 so we will see if that helps. 3) no reimburse for mounts..they are rewarding if you didn't buy one..I guess I'm ok with it since the mount is so crucial to the game. 4) mc 20man i weirdly don't hate because I never really had more than 37-38 people in mc. 40mans were hard to come by especially after p1. hope you are still enjoying yourself though, these aren't unfixable problems for the most part
I started SoD 2 days before phase 2. I luckily chose warlock. Free mount and able to aoe farm. I currently have 250g and max professions. Took your advice and got an enchanter to start DEing. Both my friends who play SoD started Phase 1 Day 1 and I ended up helping both of them pay for their mounts. Just gotta know where and what to farm imo. The bottom left of badlands is great but don't come when I'm there or ill steal your tags and BM you. XD
You made the right choice, warlock can even farm high level mobs and not really lose much health. I think you made a great choice, don't you get free epic mount too with a questline at 60? As for farming spots, I was just in the bottom left of badlands farming, but it didn't feel amazing. Is it mostly for greens? Solid stone feels low value
@@NOHITJEROME so the ogres drop a bunch of mageweave and the waylaid supplies. But they also have a chance of dropping the Boe epic items as well as the pattern for white bandit mask. Just sold for 50g.
@NOHITJEROME been thinking of some ways to make some gold for next phase. Right now bolts of runecloth are selling for less than bolts of mageweave right now. As well as those purple lotus. I'm thinking of scooping them all up for the p3 boom. The people posting higher level mats from fishing/crates might be selling low.
scooping up all the runecloth bolts is so smart because they are nearly vendor price so you can't lose any money. so many p3 items to snipe, i need to make some lists. thanks for the ideas r mar@@r.mar.673
@NOHITJEROME update on this... bolts of runecloth are now 40s each on my server. Half of mageweave rn. Scooping them all up to 60s. I don't have as much gold as some 😆
Tbh phase 2 hasn't been casual and pug friendly, most of my fellow countrymen can't even get into raids because they were newer players with less than 1 yr playing this game and who used to be a gold farmer, most of them do not communicate at all and quite unfamiliar with pve and pvp scene. no one taking them on pug run either bg, raid, even blood moon. I had to organize raid now and teaching basic mechanics in order for them to get better and get to enjoy phase 2 experience. I'm not a good player myself but i am committed to fix the issue within the community to make the game more enjoyable for casual andies. the community is horrible right now particularly towards raiding where they feel the need to check on your experience and qualifications. We are all human beings and capable of learning from mistakes and tbf gnomeregan is complex but ain't really that hard.
hi druidism, you are right the game was not pug friendly or casual in any way. i am really glad you are committed to fixing the community and doing something about this, becasue very few people are willing. I believe with the new 100% xp boost everyone will want to hit max level and few will have raiding experience. isn't it ridiculous that groups require raiding experience but how can a new player possible have that? it makes no sense
hi brad, i agree, it's the big problem right now. they just added waylaid supply bonus gold and questing gold, do you see that helping you out a bit at least?
hi big graz, i dont want to be sued. alleged bots, allegedly flying through stockades at rapid speeds, allegedly. it's like bigfoot, you never know if the footage is real.. (lol)
yes that's what always happens though isn't it sam, blizz wants people to rush and push to max level and the endgame and then it happens and we all run out of stuff to do
Yet the community peer pressure stops at addressing the bots. When my WHO list is 80% mages in their 30s running stocks that needs to be resolved. Most easy thing to fix, but we know they won’t have an actual person do it.
you are right but i think the community does complain about bots, its just an exception where blizz either doesn't or can't do anything to appease people quickly. whereas a complaint about balance can be instantly appeased with a bluepost in 10 seconds
You are right, gold is massively inflated, good that i played P1, if i just starting sod now its not very pretty situation gold wise with bots and blizzard adds oil in the fire with thwir dumb gold sinks thinking will fix situation. They made supply boxes reward 12 gold which result in massive inflation for those low level mats to craft the items... insane for totally new players, if they wanted to create ez gold farm for playwrs with those boxes they should put a cap on the mats in ah.
hi g.g., right now the economy is in a bad situation. i am enjoying the game and don't want to be too negative, butone issue is that the waylaid supplies "injecting gold" is very good for bots but most people hate farming. the only way to make gold for avg players is mob grinding but it's also too crowded. not sure what the best solutions are. do you have any ideas?
@NOHITJEROME my only idea for average players that cant compete with bots is to check future enchants mats , alchemy mats and cooking ingredients and buy them or farm them now and bank on them once their price sky rockets in P3. Such as golden pearl used for 30 spell power on weapon is now 8 to 11 gold and will be arou d 100 or the winter fish for 10 agility food or runecloth bolt from fishing or any other material that is a part of very desired recepie next phase. Once phase 3 hits and bots manage to get to 50... will be 2 late again :( farm now ba k firat 2 weeks thats it i guess. Basically what i do now is open atlass loot go to professions and crafting and read everything we can craft or cook or whatever next phase and see what from the mats is collectable from P2 and bank on it when 50. For example bought around 20 stacks of runecloth bolts already for 25 silver per per bolt... im aure they will be over 1 gold.
blizzard seems to be like "well you had your fun..take a month off" which is interesting because I don't feel like anyone plays the game that way. if our classes are bad we just quit the game lol. are you managing to hold strong after all the nerfs?
yooo iskander, that's insane that you had to do that. I feel like consistent guilds should just accept the rollercoaster and not make people reroll. As for pugs..they'll just take whatever is the flavor of the month. as a priest that means they offer me gold to come..but we all know in a month priest will be trash and everyone will want holy paladins or something. what'd you end up rerolling to after ret?
Just give rogues a raid buff, they are literally the only class that doesn't have one. To the people saying its easy bring whatever. Most pugs dont kill last boss, so as raid lead they want to try and set the group up for success as much as they can. Why bring a rogue who doesnt buff the group when you can bring someone who does just as easy?
i agree rogues getting some kind of pve buff makes sense to me. the lack of utility is the big issue because if they arent top 3 dps why bring them? i appreciate the reasoning about most pugs not clearing the last boss, it explains the gatekeeping a lot. i wonder what the best buff would be for rogues now to fix it
@NOHITJEROME in wotlk we gave 3% crit to poisoned targets as assassination. If they make the crit both spell and melee, that would be really powerful.. Even if it is just melee, it's better than the nothing we have now.
Blizzard needs to stop trying to make Classic "feel" like Classic. That "feel" was only there because everything was new and the player base were kids and teenagers figuring things out. 90% of player base today is bunch old heads. Everything is now min, maxed, and data mined. Back in the day it took ages to do anything, but it was all new to everyone which is what made it seem fun and rewarding instead of a tedious time waste. Today, grinding, farming, and spending days of /played on 1 character, let alone on multiple characters, that may not be around in a year, on something you know exactly what will be rewarded and how to exactly do it is not fun. It's a SEASONAL server. Leveling should take considerably less time, maybe 6-12 hours from 1 to Max (no paid boosts). Allow players who want to level the old fashion way the ability to toggle off the XP boost and give them a cool mount and title. Runes were an interesting concept, but they feel like a hassle now. Generally long quests and journeys are for good items, not core class abilities. It's not fun running around leveling your class knowing your character could be so much stronger but they're not because you haven't had the time or friends to help you get a rune. Make consumes and pre-raid BIS items abundant and easy to get. Stop forcing open World PvP. Open arena and rated BGs, and have the PVP rewards be just a little worse than PVE items. Stop trying to balance classes every week. Remove unnecessary gold sinks.
Hi Richard, you are very right. The playerbase has drastically changed, the original design of the game no longer fits the demographic. THATS the reason gold buying exists. Because we have less time but the loop of the game is farm gold..farm materials..raid.. etc. We have no time for this. I agree that things should be accelerated. I think the concern is that if you take away the grinds..you aren't left with enough content. The grind IS the content in a way. Even if it isn't fun. I wouldn't mind arena/rated bgs, I do have a theory we will get arenas at 60. People LOVE arenas even if the balance will be a trashfire. Pretty much spot on points though about the reason the game feels slightly broken/off at times. WE got old.
@@NOHITJEROME I will have to disagree with the grind being the content. The content was supposed to be the new runes, events, and raids. Imo there is more than enough content with the new stuff within the given time frame. There are 9 classes to level and gear up. People just feel like there is not enough content because they're not interested in redoing the same long grinds on another character. So they're stuck to redoing the same content with the same character and same spells. It's just way too much of a time sink for such a small reward.
One week parses: Warrior: 259,242 Rogue: 225,853 ============ Druid (feral): 144,351 Druid (balance): 129,699 Priest (dps): 128,117 just too many 'zug zug' and 'rats' players that's it
Rogue whinning after being king in classic and P1… please think about ret, it wasnt a problem at the time riight? Just swallow the pills and create your grp !
it's true, why is ret being ig nored when they are in a far worse position? i guess the argument is they bring a lot of utility and have other viable specs. though rogues can tank now..so who knows
How would you fix Phase 2 problems?
I would say stop worrying about every class crying and fix STV considering it hasn't worked properly since launch with layering and or lag issues. Next, take all resources applied to banning gold buyers and focus it on the thousands and thousands of bot accounts dedicated to destroying the economy. You designed a game with zero ability to aquire gold (unless you go hard af and hit max level before everyone else) while allowing bots to destroy the economy and you punish people just trying to play the game.
Blizzard is clearly busting ass to balance classes and communicating extremely well, people will always cry about their class or the class they think is too strong. Stop catering to complaints and fix your game.
I think give the rogue a party/raid buff so we can bring something more than only our personnal dps (which isn't great at the moment).
Allow gdkp. Solved.
Make rogues healers obviously. Jk
It's already so not vanilla they should just add a grouping Que that ppl that can't find groups can enter I to and that's that. Spending hours trying to make a group and never making it to the raid is the worst
Tbh I'm a veteran PVP player (multiglad TBC) and I unsubbed du to PVP never been that bad, I'm rusty but not enough to enjoy it ^^
I just showed this video to my grandmother and she got out of her wheelchair to turn the volume up because she enjoyed it so much. Thank you for making miracles possible
deadstock that is amazing to hear. did she also say something about not being able to find a raid spot on rogue?
@@NOHITJEROME she was having trouble finding a group but after I showed her this video she found a group easy and parsed 99’s while getting every item slot BiS’d! Thanks Jrome!
The attitude of a lot players in todays WoW is unbelievable. I like it when my class is an underdog because it digs through the players I wouldn’t want play with. I also can’t believe anyone is checking logs or gs for Gnomer. Crazy times were in lol
Yeah the groups that ONLY want the highest damage flavor of the month are hilarious. You know they don't have confidence in clearing the raid without bruteforcing damage. Means there's very high odds the mechanics will be a disaster in the raid. Had a group with 2 rogues the other day that was absolutely fine, probably smoother than the other runs. Very silly
The snow globe analogy is spot on. Pvp balance in this game is non existent in phase 2
It's sort of, shake the snow globe, see where things land, tweak afterwards. Great for keeping things fresh but then the rogue gets trapped in the bottom of the snow globe and nobody notices for like 6 weeks LMAO. As spriest I feel really bad looking at some of the classes in pvp right now by comparison. I get heals..arguably the highest dps..a 5 second silence..fear..multiple ways to get full mana..lots of damage reducing abilities. Do shadow priests feel right to you right now? lol
Rogues? Hah! Try being a ret pally or a warrior... Kill me. Priests are broken, any priest main trying to say otherwise is delusional. Also just damage in general is already out of control, and people are so anti nerfs so everything just keeps getting buffed up. We need damage nerfs to normalize damage, always just buffing everything up to the best stuff is just horrible design, and the power creep will only get worse.
@@girthpapi thats what i been saying lmao buffing everything is so bad. its what makes it the most unlike classic the fastest. runes should be mobility and playstyle changes not instawin power spikes
Grats on leveling up to 20k!!! My thoughts on the layering is, they could have 2 settings that you could select from right clicking your character pane. You select high pop or low pop depending on what you are looking for, and Blizzard could set like the first 4 layers to high population settings, and the last 4 layers to a lower max population, this would give players the chance to just pick the type of experience they want vs giving them a way to cheat the system.
Vgullotta, this is EXACTLY what we need. A lot of people would say "you can't let players pick the layer..they'll abuse it." But your solution 100% solves this. The problem right now is that there is a set of the population that LOVES crowded areas, they love crowded fights, they don't want to go a second without seeing people to kill. But then a set of the playerbase would much rather have smooth lag free gameplay with the tradeoff being less action. Blizz seems to think they can't cater to both at the same time. Your solution solves it 100%
All the 40 level farm spots are highly contested. 5-10 folks rummaging around the area is fine, but the last couple weeks there are like 40+ in SoS, 40+ horde farming turtles in Tanaris. The spider cave in Dustwallow has more players/bots than spiders. The whelps in Badlands.... lol I mean what whelps in badlands. All I see in that valley are the occasional Truesilver node and those elite dragons in the middle.
every spot is INSANELY contested yes. the waylaid change won't help with that either. these zones simply aren't designed for 5k people to be in them. Best solution is probably ulda farm on hunter which is why i'm leveling a hunter. have you found any workarounds for the crowding?
I actually quit the game yesterday. I main warrior and i just couldn't find a spot in a suitable guild or even join a pug to do gnomeregan
Hi DasJoppe, I undestand your decision. But man they are probably going to buff warrior in a week or two (seeing what they've done lately) and you know you will be the god at level 60. Maybe we have to accept that things are going to be a rollercoaster. I think they hope you play an alt while your main is weak, but maybe that isn't your style. 100% xp bonus isn't so bad after all :D
Thinking of quitting too, although i got a spot as Main Tank in my guild. Neither tanking the raid as a Warrior nor any other activities are fun as a Warrior right now. You can just watch range nuke anything while i struggle with lvl 43 Mobs lol. The difference to Phase 1 is: i cba to level a "fun class" up again (spamming sm etc.), nor do i have the time to. Phase 2 is already the turning point, the game lost a lot of a more casual approach
PS: video hit the nail on the head
I almost quit. Rogue main. I decided to just play pvp and have fun get exalted and gear up that way. Plus that will get me gear in future phases as well. But yea I'm done even trying to get into gnomer. Been the worst exp
Such a weak mindset. Try re rolling perhaps? Maybe even tank? What about form your own group? Too weak
@@hcliff2100 cause maybe he would rather not play then play that way. He's prolly touching grass rn
Congrats on the 20k brother Jerome!! Plenty more good things to come 🙏🏻
yooo thanks a lot bobbyflay, that means a hell of a lot. hope you have an incredible day
@@NOHITJEROMEalways a great day when a Jerome upload comes brother
Tanking as a warrior is atrocious right now
did you see the buff coming tues? do you think it will make much of a difference with the new devastate?
Hey I made it onto a video! Also, congrats on 20k man!
yes you did my friend, also thank you. hope your rogue gaming has been pleasant since we last spoke
I play a warrior. I have the 2 hand epic axe off last boss in gnomer, the thermaplug. I also have the epic waist. Both together give my warrior a 208 wep skill. Yet even with this i do no damage. I went out into the badlands to mine. got knocked off my mount and struggled to kill 2 lv 40 mobs after popping sweeping strikes then had to sit and eat to full because i almost died lol. Meanwhile while im eating i see a melee hunter taking on 4 lv 40s and not losing any hp. Feels sorta bad
wow, that is really rough matt, I think most of us have an illusion that full B IS on war will lead to very high dps and good scaling. Let me tell you something that will make you upset.
My fresh naked hunter can kill level 46s and my pet doesn't die and I don't lose any hp. I bet your warrior dies to 1. Same story with most classes, the tuning is not quite there lol
Is there any consideration that possibly banning bots leads to less materials being present and causing a pseudo-inflation.
yes that's my theory for why they don't get rid of 100% of al lbots. mats are just too expensive otherwise. but they could also increase mat spawnrates..so idk
I played SoM until the end clearing naxx a few times and yes consume have become very expensive (at the end of aq 40 there were like 4 guilds still raiding on my server kingsfall and it wasn't worth for bots to operate on there) but I feel like consumes become even more expensive in SoD. Prices nowadays are already way to high so I'm not sure about that one tbh. In sod there are enough ppl so that bots are not needed for the economy imho
You know i think the problem lies more with the individual responsibility in raids and the pug playerbase having ko trust, so wanting the easiest "minmax" like taking casters and priests. My guild is 2nd on my realm for speed and i am the 2nd DPS ret pala global and we run holy pala and rogue who have average parses around 90. I blame the raid design more than the specs or balancing in honest and the general mindset of pugs.
I believe in that as well where people don't want to risk failing and they don't want to put the burden of carrying the group on themselves. The solution is to put as much focus as possible on the comp itself and just bringing the highest possible dps characters. not entirely sure how to solve that
@NOHITJEROME One nice idea I've heard of, especially with the introduction of 20 man's, would be to have a 10 and 20 man version, with the caveat of either no epics or a lower loot ratio for 10 man's
Excellent summary of the problems Jerome, good job!
thanks nyztan, appreciate that. hope you are still enjoying the phase, the problems are not too major
P2 has been fun, I didn't think I would try it, but unfortunately unless you love PvP and love playing FOTM, P2 for me has no legs. It doesn't feel good when you walk into raid with prebis, and realize that you're already half way to actual bis. On a 3 day reset, I imagine it will only be a few more weeks before I'm done with Gnomer, especially since I really didn't like that instance to begin with. Throw in the 20 man raids coming in P3+ has me realizing I've been on this (ahem retail) merry-go-round before, and I'm a bit played out.
Hi Neverclevernorwitty, it's deifnitely a pvp and goldmaking endgame right now and that feels wrong because the endgame is usually raids first. I feel like they want the endgame to be alts as well, but it was too hard to get a bunch of alts to 40 so that was out of the question. with the 100% boost coming that will be helped at least. do you think you'll make some alts this phase? or are you really burning out badly
Well my only 2 problems are : The layer/lag issues in STV and ofc the pressure that people apply to the devs, forcing TOO many changes VERY fast.
About the gold, i don't care.. it's an mmorpg.
You gotta farm gold.. if someone thinks that farming gold in SOD is bad, he obviously never played any other MMOs.. especially the grindy ones.
PvE balance is fine.. rogues are taken into raids just fine, people are overeacting like they always do...
Rogues don't need to be top dps at every single phase, they can sit at the bottom for once, they were at the top for 20+ years.. they will be fine.
STV Wood shouldn't give rep up to exalted obviously.. i have no idea why this is the case.
But regardless, Exalted in AB is just a tabard.. lol
AB is still super fun, premades are gone, que is very fast.. everything is fine... again, people overeacting for no reason.
Runes are a problem for the same reason they were a problem in phase 1.
Blizzard fucked it up with the rune locations, putting every single rune into STRICTLY alliance territories... a big mistake on their part.
Horde having runes in the wetlands is just straight up bullshit.
Also, for the new players... the game doesn't have to hold your hand as you play.
Log in, and fucking figure shit out... communicate with people, exchange infromation, discover stuff.. do whatever the fuck u want and don't feel pressured to follow a standard pattern.
Stop asking for "Retail" and bran bronzebeard to hold ur hand even on the easiest things... figure shit out.
Hi Akhsdenlw, the layering/lag does seem to be improving somewhat at least. And there are definitely too many changes too fast. As for gold, I think the issue is that grindy mmos may not work for us as we get older.
I do like the grind and having an advantage from my time spent, but a lot of people are too busy nowadays. Rogues are overreacting, but I think their concern is valid - you pick a class that SHOULD do top 5 dps and it does bottom 5 because of a random patch..how is that fair?
As for STV, they definitely should change it to just revered to bring back AB.
Rune locations / runes in general to me are the REAL issue though. Lag..balance..it's whatever. But we are going to have 40 abilities and I don't know how that is going to work at all at 60.
Instead of goldsinks on epics, it could be grinding mat/tokens inside ~40 dungeons, to make reason to do dungeons.
that would be really great. there is not enough reason to do them right now. more creativity would be amazing, do you have any more ideas like this?
You earned a sub fam, content is fire as always homie, much luv 🔥💯
thanks hellojtello, appreciate hearing that. hope you are having a good time still, i don't think these problems are dealbreakers really
Correction Rogues ALWAYS had a problem getting a raid spot. Check Classic Era = so many people level Rogues only to see the cruel reality of not being able to join Naxx or BWL or MC. A normal guild has 1-4 rogues max and they don't recruit more, same with SR Pugs they don't take more than a few. Unless your doing GDKP gearing up your Rogue is not fun, similarly with finding dungeon groups usually you will see "LFM UBRS no more Rogues" or something similar. Unless you make your own groups you have kind of screwed. Similar experience starting out in Wrath Classic maybe now its different but in P2 when Ulduar came out.... people took 1-2 Rogues and that was it. So nothing new with Rogues if your really analyze how Rogues have been oversaturated in each version of the game = if a class becomes too popular it will have an issue getting into a group since there is too much competition.
Hi TheLazySpoiledKitty, it's true that rogues are in a strange spot in classic where they do nearly the highest damage but are outclassed by warrior. Rogues are insanely fun and everyone wants to play one, but they don't bring the raid utility. I'd say the difference in this version is that we expected rogues to be top 3 dps consistently and now they are not there and the bottom fell out.
The complaint is not so much that rogues should be entitled to the raid spot, it's that these players leveled with the expectation of doing a certain amount of damage (partially in response to them having no utility) - so then they don't do damage and that's a disaster and they have to pay to get raid spots. Do you think those rogues should just reroll at this point? I don't see any other way to fix the oversaturation.
I completed it for the first time last night. Everyone did their job and it was a super smooth run. If one person doesn’t do their job it can really make things a lot harder. In BFD you can usually make it work.
Congratulations clorett on your clear. It's definitely the bill belichek "do your job" raid lol. Which makes it a NIGHTMARE for pugs because half the raid doesn't do their jobs. As for BFD you could carry 5 random people consistently. Not sure if this phase is pug friendly enough.
As for the loot, it feels even worse in pug because you keep having a revolving door of different players. Did you manage to find a guild? Smooth runs are not common in pugs.
Grats on 20k subs, 25k here we come!
thanks a lot sonofodin, I appreciate that a lot. to valhalla we go my friend. there we can meet the rogues and warriors that all quit during p2 :D
1. Nerf priest
2. Nerf priest
3. Nerf priest
4. Nerf priest
ok but have we consdiered keeping priest great so i can keep playing it? :D
Power creep is getting insane too. I put my tank runes/set on my Rogue and I was able to stealth to Herod in Armory and solo farmed the tabard lmao
yeah SO much power creep. soloing instances..being able to 10 man molten core at 60. they will have to do a lot of big changes or things will be WEIRD lol. already getting oneshot by half the abilities in the game too. do you think they should dial things back next phase?
They should have increased the rep from the battlegrounds instead of allowing you to get rep from other means
I agree matts I think they must have data that people hate ab or something lol..not sure why they killed it. but i do think they want the game to be really alt friendly and that explains the decision. doesn't explain wsg still being a grind though
@@NOHITJEROME I think they added it because they won’t want STV to be dead, but it’s not the end of the world, bg’s still pop rly quickly
makes sense they wanted STV to be relevant and yes it doesn't really matter since AB is still popping. the more i think about it..it's genius. rankers will STILL rank so AB will be hot at 60. they just played us like a fiddle lol@@matts7125
This is now my favorite SoD content channel. Agreed with everything in this video
To add I would say the 100% xp buff is welcome, but mostly because leveling sucks now. You're either stuck spamming SM or competing with 10 people for one mob since the layer change rollback.
Feels like they bandaid'd the leveling process instead of fixing actual issues.
So for p3 are we going to have to spam dungeons again?
They also promised "alternate ways to level" and BFD on 3 days lockout isn't really that.
hi alys landale, thank you for saying that. as for the xp buff, I agree. leveling is rough right now because the zones aren't designed for so many people. dungeon spam seems to be the only route right now and as a result they HAD to boost xp because not everyone can find dungeon groups.
the alternate leveling method was supp[osedly waylaid supplies but they just weren't giving enough xp. maybe now that we can make a lot of gold questing 1-40 it will be more worthwhile. do you think it will move the needle?
@@NOHITJEROME I think it would have been fine if they didn't roll back the layers into being overcrowded again. They can't seem to find a happy medium on that.
Raise the gold earned by questing at level cap so it feels more like p1 again and there is something worth doing other than raid logging or finding some niche to farm.
Also buff spawn rate on gatherables and quest mobs
I just miss the more casual feeling of p1. Questing at level cap felt rewarding. I could farm stuff or just quest on an alt for fun.
We are still level 40 on what is supposed to be a casual version of classic. The average player shouldn't have to be jumping through hoops to afford stuff raid consumes.
Looks like blizz has addressed a lot of the gold problems:
1.) Half the Cost of Mount
2.) Increased Gold on Questing 1-39
3.) Increased Gold on Waylaid supplies (sell or trade in, win win for gatherer/crafters)
Me as a rogue, I am just about to hit 40, I have a guild to play in, and I think if I need to pug(we have more than 10 raiders less than 15), I will find reasonable people to PUG with that accept someone taking effort on their character to perform well.
yep pretty much all the major issues have had tweaks / changes, we will see if they end up paying off. having a guild for your rogue is a great sign, i think guilds are generally more reasonable than pugs. and then you'll randomly get a nice buff in the next few weeks
I may be weird but I’m enjoying farming gold, looking at the AH and using my professions to make money to improve my gear is paced well to feel good about finally getting the improvements
it's a lot of fun kyle, at least for me and you. but man if you don't like goldfarming or AH you are in a lot of trouble this phase with how expensive everything is. the new gold farming with waylaid supplies should help a lot though. have you made any money from those yet?
These are the type of videos we need content creators to focus on. it’s not toxic or wrong to point out the consistent flaws in blizzards game and lack of attempts and lack of resources spent to fix the issues. The only other solution is to stop giving them money in which case the game will.
hi chris, thank you for saying this. i am very grateful they are making this mode, but there are definitely some issues that will grow over time especially ability creep and having 30 things to press by the endgame. that is really my biggest concern. I think i will keep playing though. what about you - will you keep playing?
I'm having a blast! My only complaint is the exp boost coming so fast. I would be fine with previous season leveling increases but I feel rushed to level and experience things naturally if I want to do things as intended. People are so caught up in needing to have 10 toons to 40 that they are boosting after 20 days of Phase 2. Vanilla was supposed to be a grind fest. It was supposed to take longer to get around, to level and to be properly geared. Now people are "bored" after they hit 40 but haven't done a single quest that didn't get them gear or PvP for anything but rewards. World PvP is a thing guys and it's fun! Love the game and the content but I don't like feeling so rushed...
hi sturmbjorn, very interesting counterpoint. most people seem very positive about the leveling, bujt at the same time I can definitely see your feeling that things are being rushed. this phase feels like it's getting rushed along by public opinion, which is definitely something related to the blizz mentality of keeping everyone happy and trying to avoid complaints. the problem i see is that if you remove the grinds there isn't anything left to do. until they add more things to do
@@NOHITJEROME I think the EXP bonus is a good thing in the context of incentivizing alts but I would like to see them implement a system where your main has to hit cap to unlock the boost account wide (or some version of this). That way your first time around you have to earn your progress and unlock an easier way to experiment with other classes. Also, I think it would at the very least, slow the Bots down. I know not everyone shares my opinion, but it has been my life experience that things you work for are always more gratifying and would be the best compromise to letting everyone get their desired experience.
rogue slots have ALWAYS been contested, even with melee stack in original classic LFG was always full of rogues. Downside to playing a fun and popular class.
It's true captain, you look at original classic (especially SOM) everyone was like..warriors..or rogues. Why play anything else? The current downside I see is that you can make ferals suck and you still bring them..wild strikes. But rogues aren't invaluable to the raid right now. So blizzard made rogues a viable tank..that's great to help the tank shortage..but I imagine less than 10% of the rogue population actually wants to tank. What do you think they should do to fix rogues right now?
I still remember playing season of mastery in P4 when I was the only mage in a few molten core runs and was just acting as decurse and food/water bot.
Considering rogues dont bring any support with them I think they should get major dmg buffs. In the dps charts, rogue is only above 4 other classes when you look at wcl rn. And rogue cant compete in the slightest with those classes when it comes to bringin support to the raid. Thats why I think rogue should be one of the best single target dps classes in the game
I agree with you, blizz put in some unnecessary runes p2. I can also argue that warriors and rogues not having enough defensive runes is an issue. It seems like the wrong classes got survival runes for this phase. I'm very happy with SoD so far, but I would like to see each classes runes a little more well rounded. Being forced into a one spec meta on each class is rough. There are only a few outliers in that aspect.
defensive runes for warrior would have been perfect, less damage this phase more focus on utility, shoring up some of the obvious flaws with classes without removing class identity. an example being that warriors charging in and instantly dying is just not that fun right now, giving a very short damage reduction duration (maybe 5sec) with warbringer for example would be nice without adding to the one shot fiestas. glad you are still having fun, ultimately we will all get to be overpowered at some point during the game and that's nice at least. but man at 60 we are going to have what..9 rune abilities to press? lol
The gnomergan raid has been gate kept… I haven’t done it yet because no one wants a BM hunter and when I geared to get my pre bis and became a melee hunter NO ONE WANTS EM ANYMORE, so I just took the liberty of making phase 2 a lvl up phase and won’t do gnomer because apparently it’s to “hard” and no one wants to waste a lock out on new lvl 40s. I really hope phase 3 isn’t like phase2 though the STV event is lots of fun
hmm..it's definitely a side effect of the dartboard balancing they are doing where you can make a character and be undesirable for raids. i would say though that using this phase as a levelup phase to make a bunch of alts is a great idea. but i bet you can join a pug on any character you make within 20 min as long as you play a meta class. just anything except bm hunter :D
the only problem with phase 2, even with phase 1, is that the servers on the horde side are empty and there's no way to even make scarlet monastary, and I'm playing priest in this phase. As you can no longer do char in the alliance, the only way to do it is to give up and wait for next year for them to do things correctly. But I doubt they will do that.
hi miekna, this seems like a really big problem. what server are you on? on my server there are groups, though you might end up running back from the graveyard a LOT if you are in my group :D maybe the 100% bonus will help
@@NOHITJEROME Lonewolf(US)
Biggest problem is trying to make Classic like retail/every other failed game. Classic is meant to be a grind/that is what makes it great. New attitude is “leveling is hard? Here’s a boost” “gold is hard to get in a game where having gold matters” here’s easier ways to get it and reduced mount costs. Love the new abilities/content. Scared for the direction it’s taking.
it's true penny but do 30 year old guys with families (or living in the basement like me lol) have time to grind all day? these systems are all in place because the demographic changed..we changed. we were 12-24 with infinite time to play. now we have less time and the result is all these quick fixes
@@NOHITJEROME I can average about 6 hours of gametime a week as a 30 year old with a kid (sneaking in time between naps) I am content slowly getting to max level and if I just have one max character, then so be it! I’m okay with sacrificing immediate gratification for a longtime longevity of WoW.
But you are absolutely right sir. Love your content and positivity. Your videos have always put a smile on my face. Thanks for being a large part of our great community!
@@NOHITJEROME true
I can understand both of your points, but why should everyone have access to everything? It should be determined by either skill(mostly) or time like in every other game, that is something that has been lost a little in wow. You can more or less just play the game a little bit and get all you want. Earlier in wow it was cool to see someone with a certain type of gear or something that you knew took a little skill or time but now it’s just..meh..
keep up the great vids!! thanks for all the info you provide appreciate you
thanks a lot Ersed, that is very kind of you to say. have you had any complaints in the phase? i imagine you have had some good times :D
I am only 2 slots away from full Bis due to extraordinary luck with the rolls and I am doing fine with my raid dps. However.... I had a Rogue whisper me for advice on what daggers to use for mutilate. He told me then same story about not getting a raid spot and so I have took him into my guild to raid with our alts. I feel sorry for the average rogue trying to raid.
First of all grats on your excellent loot luck, that is fantastic to hear. Do you have the full tier set already? as for the rogues tory, that's wonderful you brought him in. it is a rough time and then next phase or p4 they will be gods and everyone will beg them to come back..ahh the cycle of wow
Yeah I got the 3/3 set on the 2nd raid and the epic dagger on the 3rd raid. Just finished my wsg grind to exalted today and dropped skinning and maxxed LW tonight so I can craft the epic helm. I am parsing tomorrow night and aiming for the 1% spot in dps while I have the gear advantage hehe.@@NOHITJEROME
Idk, I'm enjoying P2. I am a shadow priest though. It would suck to main a class that isn't desired right now without a guild to take you into Gnomer. I don't know how you fix that because some class is always going to end up on the bottom of the meters.
As shadow priest you definitely get to have some of the most fun right now. We had the one shot fun with SWD, the high raid damage, we are the best non-healer utility since we can heal the raid. Very desirable for bloodmoon too. I think the traditional solution was that specs like spriest were always support which meant that was your reasoning for bringing them to raid.
Then the classes with less utility like rogue would do all the damage. Now we have spriest with damage AND utility. The only solution is to unfortunately make the support classes less fun or just accept that a lot of classes won't get raid spots. Do you think spriest right now is in a good place balance wise Justin? It's fun..but I wouldn't say balanced.
Fair assessment. I'm just going to enjoy the spot my class is in while I can, if it gets a nerf I can see it being fair. I definitely feel fortunate that I don't have to handle balancing in the game, haha.@@NOHITJEROME
Rogues now know the pain Hunters had at the end of Phase 1. Getting a group for BFD as a Hunter was easily the hardest across the 3 classes I play.
@@RichSmithson What? Hunters were top 4 dps all phase 1 and with heart of lion I was always looking to get at least 1 in my raids
@@RichSmithson Hunters were one of the most in-demand classes for the entirety of p1 though? Even after all the nerfs they were one of the strongest DPS and also gave the raid 10% stats
Too many toxic players in SoD
KeK
see I have a very opposite experience lawrence because I play a priest and people pay me to play with them..I assume you are on a rogue or warrior right now? lol. I can't brag..they'll nerf priest or buff other healers and I'll be in your position all over again
ALl I told him was rogues have to pay 20g to enter the raid..(lol)@@steeleleaf9440
@@NOHITJEROMEsee that right there is toxic behaviors. The raid is easy you by no means have to have a priest.
We're running 2 shadow priests in gnomer. No healers needed
My biggest problem? Not enough to do outside of raiding. There wasn't really any prebis grind. Most of your BFD gear was bis or near bis. I find my self logging in, running around IF for 5 minutes and logging out. There isnt enough meaningful content after you hit 40 and get your rune.
It's a big problem Wellzy. You HAVE to enjoy either pvp or alts to find enough content. I think blizzard wishes everyone just made 5 alts and that's how they drag the phase out. But if you are traditional and only really play 1 char (which I assume you do) then you are out of luck. Maybe you can start working on some rep grinds like timbermaw..ab..wsg?
The rune system might just be too ambitious for blizz, i like that some of my warrior runes are just passive to be honest. Couldnt imagine how many complaints blizz gets every day, probably too many to even read.
ya it's ambitious and on paper nearly impossible to balance. i'd argue even balancing the BASE game without runes would be nearly impossible. (you'd just make the warrior mains mad) and now they have opened pandoras box. what would you do at this point to balance the runes? I'd add more qol/passive runes, and stop adding new strong abilities.
as for the complaints, i wonder if they just go to complaints after they already planned on fixing something and then engage with that complaint. so it seems really collaborative but they had the plan in place already. and then they just ignore all the other complaints. wouldn't even be mad if that was the case lol it makes sense
I have no solutions tbh, I'm just hoping they add new raids dungeons or even zones in the future, which im sure the classic team is undermanned for that. Us players are never happy though.
Finally went in and cleared gnomer. Love your vids Jerome you're the man.
yo that's awesome, you finally got a raid spot? very glad to hear that
The reason to do AB is to have FUN!
THIS IS A GAME PEOPLE!!!!!!
Just popped that sub because I been here for a bit and your vids are the best in my opinion on info update and great tips
it's really fun connor, i want to try to win 10+ games in a row or maybe 20 one day, but theres no need right now reward-wise, it's pure for fun now and it was required before for those very nice boots
@@NOHITJEROME I try hard now to get 21k honor on Warsong to get an epic wrist. Only 100 points of rep for 3 marks. Feel like I will spent on that all my life : ))))
The biggest problem with SoD is something they've admitted, they are new game designers and it shows. They made phase 1's raid have high magical resistances out of the gate so raids would stack melee/hunters and now they went full opposite in phase 2 and all of these melee/hunter stack guilds are struggling to down MT even with the nerfs. They swung the pendulum too far in either direction and didnt balance each raid so that guilds would have balanced comp, now all you see in Gnomer general and LFG is "LFM Caster DPS and Lock tank".
a lot of original 2004 devs worked on other games or had many years of experience. it's part of the problem of the modern games industry or really any industry. instead of keeping long time talent they lay them off and bring in new people and pay them less. i don't blame the employees, it's not a fair position to be in. they need years to learn and make mistakes. my theory is that they are really just told what to do by data people and the issue is there's a disconnect between the final product and the joy and passion that is needed to take these games to the next level..sorry not sure why I went on that rant lol
Your videos are amazing Jerome! Keep up the good work man.
thanks so much kiromancer, appreciate that. hope you enjoy the p2 leveling changes and everything coming next week
There is just too much damage coming from runes without buffing our survivability runes.
Warriors are the straight losers here and need our utility runes buffed.
Let warbringer give 20% damage reduction on your charge, intercept and intervene for 2/3s.
Enraged regen needs a 30% dr on top of heal.
Victory rush needs to proc on assists/kills Reset on kills. (or always active with a version of reset on kill/assist). would be interesting if it had a scaling modifier with hp or missing hp either for dmg or healing. scale off stamina directly?
remove shared cooldown from retal/shield wall/recklessness. reduce them to 10-15 min cds. put a 30sec to 2 min cd shared on activation. (main thing is removing shared cd)
ye warrior is sooooo bad in pvp, with this burst meta you just dont have enough rage or defensive cds to survive it
Hi Omrxx, I believe you are 100% correct. They allowed damage to get massively scaled up without scaling up the gear or items..mages have like 900 hp lol. As for warriors, more utility would be amazing. I like the idea of warbringer giving damage reduction, right now warriors charge in and disappear instantly. As for victory rush I definitely would love to see warriors become open world monsters, victory rush SHOULD be the most fun leveling/trash farming ability ever.
Removing shared cd also seems good to me. The thing is that nothing is going to fix the part where ranged have a huge advantage in a nuke meta like this. Even with 20% damage reduction you'll die instantly. What do you think can be done about that? Flat stamina buff in the open world? More stam on gear?
@@NOHITJEROME This will completely depend on the direction on how they want to take other classes survivability. I have liked the route of them buffing stamina as this turns into a gearing choice, opting to choose scaling stamina as opposed to a flat Damage reduction (players who choose no stamina gear do not see as much benefit).
Agreed even with the warrior changes outlined we will still instantly disintegrate, but this is kind of the pathway they need to take if they want to start balancing the damage input/output. At least this can give us a litmus test of, was these changes crazy? do we need to go father? are the current runes just doing to much damage? Part of it, is I don't know what is on the horizon. So I can only gauge changes off the known elements. I really think the outlined Victory Rush and Warbringer changes could move the warrior class into a good direction.
I think like you.... I have the impression that it's more of a race for money than a game of pve / pvp, mutual aid and fun lol. And without even forcing you can make a lot of money if you play a little but what's the point of having 2000 golds if you don't know how to use them ^^'.
Can't wait to see phase 3!
And thank you again for the video!
It's definitely a race for money right now, but i don't think the endgame being money makes the most sense. I am glad they have decided to move a little bit away from that with the new waylaid changes and quest gold. Hopefully new alt leveling on tuesday will be a blast and very profitable at the same time. Do you plan to level any more alts before p3 goldenace?
@@NOHITJEROME For to be honest I spent a lot of hours raising my priest and my hunter to level 40... I still have my druid and my level 25 mage to raise to level 40...
On the other hand, I really want to build a tank! I don't know if I take a warrior so as not to have competition on equipment or do I try a warlock or shaman....
And you dude ?
hmm, well first off you picked the 2 best classes. hunter for goldfarming and priest for pvp/raids. as for your tank idea, surprisingly rogue could be a good option if you want a rogue. they are VERY tanky (somehow). but war just got buffed so that's an option too. as for me, i want a rogue next and a mage to master them for pvp/dueling tournaments@@goldenace3457
You're 100% right AB, there's no carrot on the stick for the AB rep. Premade ban was a mistake and lumber rep should have been capped at revered. Phase 2 has been a bit of a failure compared to phase 1.
agreed sceramhawk, wish there was SOME reward though I do want the boots and trinket (already easy to get just doing bloodmoon) - I think they really want the phase to be alt f riendly and the content is "making new alts" which is ok but you don't have a huge amt of stuff to do as a solo player
i play rogue and absolutly no chance on getting into raid even with good gear 6/6 i even offered 50g for raidlead in lfg chat not a single wisper
hmm, your best bet might be to make your own group, it's probably the easiest way. or you have to join a guild - easier said than done
yep #buffrogue
Only reason players check logs and gs for a level 40 ten player raid is bc they need good players to carry them:) there I said it. Thanks for vid bro gg
Yep it's true, and it makes sense. good players make raids easy. teaching players and giving them a welcoming experience does not give you direct benefit in the game. maybe lifelong friendships..but who needs hose
It's awesome that they're doing the 100% exp bonus! It'll allow warriors to all reroll without losing too much time
I agree it also lets rogues reroll to shadow priests and mages in record time. No lie I wonder if this is part of the strat to fill out the content though lol. Nerf half the previous phases good classes, make them reroll, then swap every phase
@@NOHITJEROME Good call yeah rogues too and who knows maybe but Ill take it
l also feel that all that honor that we farm in bg is useless and could be used to buy pvp rewards or rank up 5+ , l feel like doing bg only for rep now ..
agreed, why is it limited to only rank 5 this phase? it makes no sense, should be rank 6 or even 7 at minimum
yeah I wish there was a way to do something with honor. Maybe mailing it to alts? frankly a controversial change, but what if you could mail honor directly to your alts, but it expired at the end of the phase? so no abuse for next phase, but if you want to keep progressing and having fun you can also gain honor for all your alts to get their trinkets etc
I thought it was r6 until your comment jeff..logged in and i'm rank 5. That's so strange to me, it felt like 6 was the obvious choice for this phase. I'm worried we are still going to have SO much ranking to do in p4 lol. I will do it though, as frustrating as 5man ranking sounds. Those gnomes won't die without me there after all. Will you push r14 do you think?@@JeffDays
@@NOHITJEROME honestly not sure, if we were able to reach at least rank 6 this phase and at least 9/10 for phase 3, then I most likely would. But having to do too much in phase 4 would probably kill it.
#1 problem with phase 2 is I don't have twitter
Wow jodo this is amazing to say, I wonder how SoD is if you aren't on social media. Blizzard's entire communication is based around twitter/wowhead right now and if you aren't on those two sites you must just log in and freak out every week hahaha. Just go to the raid like "why am I doing 300 less dps than last week?" "wait what happened to my pet?" "wait my starsurge just one shot that guy"
They need to do micro dps gains to classes that are under performing. About 5% until they are par with other classes. Gnomer is a little overtuned, mostly thermaplugg for the average pug. I'm sorry to say, pressing a button and asking pugs to move in and out of an area is too much. The economy is in a real bad place. Everything just cost too much. I feel like they wanted to bleed people from all the gold buying that was happening, but for some of us, it made it impossible to craft our bis items. Its good that they added this xp buff, hopefully this helps people make alts to fill in certain spots.
I agree fully mantequillas, they should be making small tweaks to rogues..rets.. Thermaplugg is overtuned as well for pug, I still see mostly 5/6 advertising. Expecting a nerf within 2-3 weeks. Still a fun raid though :D
As for the economy, everything definitely costs too much and I do hope with the new gold changes and the new waylaid changes that will start getting fixed. Has been frustrating that prices went up but gold/hour didn't really go up.
As for you, do you have any plans to level new chars now that they are giving so much gold/xp out on tuesday?
I like phase 2 a lot blood moon is fun idk
yo that's good matercheff, bloodmoon is fun. i enjoy it a lot. i tried to not ma ke this video too negative, it's just things that if not addressed people will start to really complain about. but yesterday i had a fun strat i bet you would love. gurubashi arena you play on the bleachers and farm people as they turn in, pretty great
It is so strange for me - I cant understand why people don’t want a rogue? I personally want loot diversity when I make my raid and I cleared every lockout of p2 having a rogue and a warrior.
hmm, i think groups are worried about failing and as a result they don't want to bring anything that isn't top dps or brings high utility
@@NOHITJEROME maybe, but I think rogues do ok DPS and provide kicks for some key boss abilities, who is in a really bad spot - range hunters…
You think people will voluntarily pick less full layers? Tell me, what’s the population of your current server? High or low?
server pop is high, the idea would be that you join the high pop server but pick the less full layer. players want to be on the server where everyone else is yes but they also would pick playability over lag. so you h ave a big giant server but players are deciding if they want to sit in the asmon layer queue or not
@@NOHITJEROME I hear you and in theory it sounds good. But if the server list shows us anything, people don’t join anything low pop. Especially an event like blood moon, the vast majority of players will stick to the full layers so they can get more lucky kills for bloods over low pop and stubble to find enough people to consistently kill.
Rogues need to put on their big person pants and tank, iv yet to see any rogues attempt to tank. But instead they just keep going as dps and getting passed on spots cause they don’t tank an they have the option to tank now.
yooo cyle, you are not wrong that they need to be tanking right now, they are solid offtanks and probably will at SOME point be completely broken and nerfed (maybe in a few phases). question is this: why would a rogue dps want to tank and do less dps? itd be like asking a mage to tank. they live to play one way, they want to play that way, and the raid spots are gone. interesting social experiment at the very least to see if people prefer a) tanking or b) quitting the game. you would THINK its a, but we will see lol
@@NOHITJEROME its season of discovery, its not the original version of the game anymore.
If they don’t want to tank an lose spot then its their fault for choosing to dps only. They would only need to ot for 3 fights, thats not difficult at all.
Mages dont have the option to tank an using them as a example is bad in this situation.
If its tbc then only one fight mages will tank an its only to spell steal a buff.
If you wanted to compare a caster to tank, should of mentioned warlock instead.
My biggest issue with phase 2 is Gnomer. Its very hard for a level 40 raid especially to pug. They need to tone down the difficulty on at least the last 2 bosses. People are quitting because they cant get a raid spot because players are log checking due to it being a tough raid.
VERY hard to pug this raid and the last boss is almost never cleared by pugs. i hope since this comment you have managed to have some good experiences in the raid. it's fun with coordination..but nobody has coordination in pugs f
Make the stv event like wintergrasp in wotlk and allow different battles at the same time while having a max amount of people to not cause lag. They canneven give u the option to qeue as a 5 man vs other 5 mans or let you solo qeue where u end up in a battle where its real free for all.
Give underperforming classes that cant get raid spots more raid wide utility stuff ( for example an aura that gives certain amount of melee leech that helps with the healing + gives a reason to bring melee's in your raid).
At this point add locations to phase 1 runes where they are easier to get for said faction (less traveling, runes that have u kill elites can now be get from certain no elites) & reduce the items needed for the grizzby rune.
Let players who paid full price for mount get an items that gives u a free mount on an alt (basicly restoring the gold u payed extra).
Just a few ideas.
Ps: my guild has 2 raid groups going now and we have several " underperforming " classes and we still clear it ( even with new to the raid people)
Hi Shocking, the WG style idea makes sense to me. OPENS THE DOOR TO MY DREAM MODE: Battle royale. Solo queue bloodmoon with the area constricting (could add mobs that kill people if you stay in the wrong areas)
As for buffing - I do agree on utility, things like melee leech are good because this is a 1 heal raid with alt heals.
I would like to see more rune locations for horde, right now summoners are way too strong which feels bad since summon alts are p2w.
A refund on mount would be fantastic but right now it looks like they are going to do the opposite of "exploit early exploit often" and punish us for our early goldfarming..ah well I can't be too mad about that.
As for your guild, I'm glad you are succeeding even with a non meta comp and newer players. What underperforming classes are you bringing at the moment? No frost mages I assume lol
@@NOHITJEROME no frost mages but we do have hunters rogues warriors are all in there we as a guild dont look at whats meta we just want well rounded groups with lots of variation and selection is on a rotation thing wich is nice so that no one gets excluded 😊
I played enhancement shaman in phase 1 and then in p2 they were looking to be so bad and now they just keep buffing and buffing shaman without making them substantially more fun to play. Simple things like a removal of the wf icd or lowering would have made the spec just fun visually. Yet they just keep stacking %ap buff over %ap buff. Plus they completely fucked up adding 2h and now they have an entire new class to manage. Shamans have 3 Dps specs, 1 tanking and 1 heal spec. 5 specs for a single class?!! All my gear and skill progression seems so irrelevant when every lockout I have more power for no reason. Recent patch gives me a roughly 10% Dps increase and literally NOTHING about my class has changed.
Really good insight Taziod. I don't think there are many enhance experts to give this insight and it's a concern to hear. Increasing power without increasing fun is going to lead to complaints and inevitable nerfs. Shadow got overbuffed and the result was nerfing so that can be expected for anyone that gets too many buffs back to back.
The lack of progression is really hitting home for me as well. My hunter hit 40 and I already can start boosting cath and making gold because the runes carry far more than gear. Same with my priest - full bis on priest barely feels different than my prebis because the runes carry healing so hard. Challenging problem to solve.
I'm actually having a great time as a holy paladin. I feel busted, in a good way, right now in phase 2 of SoD.
really chocolatchip? i had no idea hpal felt good right now. do you feel like you can almost solo heal with support from boomkin with wild growth etc?
If you're asking if an hpal could solo heal the tanks in each of the fights, I'd say yes.
I just don’t understand why there isn’t more servers? I have no idea how game developing works but is it cheaper to just add layers rather than servers?
hi thetyree, you make a good point but i think people want to be on the same server. nobody wants to spread out dont they
Buff ele shamans flame shock so we can actually get Lava surge procs make flame shock last 18 secs or 20 secs
hmmm. i feel like a lot of people think ele is already op or very strong. do you think they really need more?
@NOHITJEROME look we are strong but everything of ours is kickable and outrangeable yes we can one shot but that's if you ignore us. Getting 1 or 2 Lava surge procs maybe a bg. Raid I got 16 in a full run needs a higher chance or let us atleast be able to spread our shock for a higher percent it's only 5%
I feel like only half of these half been an issue for me, but I’m probably more casual.
hi cheezecake, I undertand that completey, which issues do you find unrelatable for you? i feel like the leveling/new player experience is a universal problem, the pvp being less so
Wait they doubled xp gains? That’s wack
100% xp 1-40 ya they realized nobody wants to level..NOBODY
You should adjust the light to your right so it’s not casting a shadow on your face from the mic
hmm..not really sure how to do that. can you help me? i just drew a diagram. i.imgur.com/TPRZ4YJ.png
@@NOHITJEROMEi would assume a light diffuser would help
Healers need get a extra item to find healer takes 5 hours doesn’t matter for stv raid ore premade
i fully agree nobody wants to play heal. would be especially nice to get a bonus box or something in dungeons
Pretty sure UA-cam removed my subscription? Subscribed again! Thank you for the content!
I know you were subbed s alma, we've talked many times. I hope you are enjoying yourself and not getting too frustrated by all the balance changes and lag. What have you been up to?
@@NOHITJEROMEHi Jerome! It has actually been very fun! I've been enjoying the raid, the quest.. soloing dungeons a little bit with hunter.. other than the sm grind part, I really love it! I hope they can keep the future raid not too crazy... and I agree with what you said about the number of runes... hope they keep them under control!
Buff kitty Druids
agreed but they have wild strikes already. feel like only ally are mad about druids right now because they have no shaman
just subbed, been watching u a while now, thumbs up
yooo thanks hagarengela. i very much appreciate this. do you think there are any major problems currently with SOD that you want to see fixed? I hope you are enjoying it either way
I don’t hate the state of the economy. It’s a near impossible thing to balance, so all things considered, I’d say they are doing a pretty good job. Things are slightly too expensive, but otherwise inflation has been kept well under control. Maybe I’d just like a few more reliable ways to earn gold
I hate the state of the economy because it feels hard to flip or extract money from it. For non AH manipulators I assume it feels very good instead. With the new changes though I think the economy will be much more enjoyable for me
They are adding new reliable ways to farm gold just like you mentioned - more gold pre-40 from questing as well as the boxes that can turn in for up to 12 gold. Do you plan to quest to level and make some gold next week Watts?
Huge problem with warrior all other players are enjoying playing classic wow with there wotlk cata spells. Meanwhile warrior is STUCK in vanilla wow the abilities we have are not cool or even good. You can do really good dps if you mid max all of your items and rotation. Meanwhile a boomie ele spriest can wear sm gear in gnomer and pump. Its pretty fucking stupid.
i agree. i actually wish we were getting more warrior-style balancing for all classes. im not sure i love the retail abilities. though i do like dispersion, thank god for that.
2019 - Classic Rogues & Warriors Dominate Molten Core, Breaking damage meters.
2024 - Classic Rogues & Warriors can't even get a pug placement.
lol that's exactly the case and people are not taking it well. could make the argument it sucks to make a char and expect a raid spot and then get treated like garbage though. cant feel TOO bad though
It's the nature of the beast with WoW and class balances. There will always be a stronger, more desirable class, and you'll always come last to that spot in the raid. Especially in the early weeks where the raids are not total walkovers.
As the phase progresses, people won't care about group comps as much and the lesser classes will get their spots. It's always happened and I think always will, sometimes you're the shitty class and sometimes you're the meta. Just how it goes! Rogues were beast in P1, for example.
Hi Travis, I understand and you are right about how raid / class balancing is. The issue comes from the players committing to warrior..rogue..etc and out of nowhere the whole raid is caster focused. It's very frustrating when you can't plan and it feels random. Though from a fairness angle the balancing makes perfect sense
Yeah! It does really suck when you go all-in on a class and they pull a 180 on you. At least with SoD alts are expected/encouraged, I guess.
I think Blizz should have every class bring 'something' to the raid, so even if you are weak one phase you still are desired.@@NOHITJEROME
i agree everyone should be able to bring something even if they are going to nerf things every other patch. i definitely see their alt approach where they want you to make at least multiple types of classes ie caster + physical. i'll definitely be rushing more alts next phase to fix that@@travisdray1221
In my opinion, 10man is too few and why people are unable to find raid spots on " less desirable" classes.
A sizeable enough portion of the community seems to be hyper focused on Min/Max and when you limit a Raid to 10 players and put a lot of armor on bosses or make certain classes the most desirable, than we end up with a lot of people/classes with no raid spot!
Even in 2019 Classic with warrior stacks you would still want some of the other classes and have room for them, Or not have enough of the more desirable classes to stack your 40man full of them.
10players feels too limited, and forces/ heavily encourages meta comps.
I'm happy 20mans are coming in future phases and cant wait for 40mans to be back!
Having fun with the phase as a Shockadin tank and looking forward to what they cook up in the future.
hi luxveros, 10 man is definitely too small, but at the same time it's even hard to find 10 players sometimes. the issue is blizzard is trying to keep everyone happy when it's an impossible task. As for balance, with the current culture it seems impossible. Either everyone has utility and brings something else or you just bring the highest damage. And 10man definitely encourages meta comps more like you said.
As for shockadin, I love that spec and it is my favorite. I hope they add enough gear to be able to one shot with shockadin. I really really like that build.
@@NOHITJEROME Thanks for the reply!
Yeah I do not envy the position the devs are in.
All in all its been really fun and I would rather them keep classes strong and bring everyone up to that level, but like you said it wont be possible to make everyone happy.
as for Shockadin, While it isn't one shoting yet it is still extremely strong due to AoW and the way seal of martyrdom interact,
and with the toolkit you have its very easy to out last and get some good bursts in.
Especially with a STR/Crit AoW Sheath of Light Shockadin build.
If you have a paladin at 40 I highly recommend giving it a try!
It's a big advice for all rogues: talant swap now cost only ONE GOLD, so you can easily take talants into Tank way and go to Gnomer as tank, that open to you full clean. You can insta swap back to your main build after.
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I going gnomer 3 times as a tank rogue, and get clean it 6/6 all times. Every group was random and last one we stayed nine but still allow to kill last boss what we do.
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I know that rogue not such like tanking, but if there will be some likes, I can make some more factual advices about how rogue need to tank AS A MAIN TANK at gnomer.
hi neoagent, you are not wrong, tank rogue seems very strong, but how many players that main rogue WANT to tank? I am very interested to hear how different it is compared to typical rogue.
I want to know about the viability of it. but I don't think most people are willing to tank. It's a lot of extra stress and pressure compared to just blasting DPS
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The way of my tanking including full combat spec, so you can up your avoidance for 10% as well, also you better need shaman with alpha spirit in your group to keep aggro on AOE packs with shurikens. On 2 last bosses I use positionical tanking, but it some weird if you got a lot melee at your group. You need to use shadowstep at waist rune this bosses. When you take a lot damage, or chicken goes CLUCK, you just use SS to dragon (rogue often tank squirrel and chicken, so be sure, that you get enough aggro at start with bladeflurry+adrenalin rush, also you can use other bursts here). So when you ss, your heals get some time because you not take damage. Same tactic you can use to avoid damage from Termaplugg, using ss to bombs. Be sure you take enough aggro.
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Minitip: do not forget ALWAYS keep blade dance on you, ESPECIALLY on bosses.
Leveling buff changes are a move in the right direction maybe having the rep BOA since we are playing a seasonal game mode as far as fixing pvp balance it’s just way too hard the runes and the way they are implemented is very janky the problem is harder to fix then it seems, ele shamans in pvp just wear full mail can’t even kill them they have a 1 min 75percent mana return 😂
hi william, it's a step in the right direction, leveling is just too frustrating for most players and takes too long especially in a seasonal mode like you said. as for balance, it's probably impossible. i guess we just have to enjoy some classes being strong each phase
I saw a comment said "Season of Reddit". Sounds about right.
LMAO christopher that is exactly what it is. I have a rant to go on..this happened in dota 2. Valve went through a phase of listening to player feedback and implementing every change. Except (most) players want something that isn't really possible with a few tweaks. They want a feeling..they want a time of their lives from years ago..no amount of complaining will bring that back. So the devs keep changing stuff..they keep getting great feedback, everyone loves it.
Fast forward a year, everything people complained about is fixed. But the feeling the players are missing is still not there. Except..surprise..the game they loved also is now drastically different and full of changes everyone complained their way into. AND THEN THEY DONT WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE. I'd say in DotA listening to the players led to short term positive feedback and long term loss of players. Do you have any similar stories? Maybe this is a common practice.
And then they don't want to play anymore...exactly. It's a lot of people who don't have time for an MMO who just haven't realized it yet. I thought we based these seasons around vanilla because we all loved vanilla..@@NOHITJEROME
STV Event sucks. make the graveyards closer to the altars and remove the south beach altar/loa spawn location.
Gold Sinks are too expensive.
If you change the mount cost, are you reimbursing those who paid full price?
20 man MC is a disgrace, fuck that shit keep it 40 man, no balls.
Gnomer is fine, but yea, melee get the shaft.
Hi Thetatekei, 1) agree on GYs, and any boss spawn near the road is always unpleasant. have you ever had a good 5man where you farmed a lot of blood? there is SOMETIHNG to the event, it's just not consistent 2) too many gold sinks yes and the bigger issue - no way to make gold. they added some goldfarming methods now with waylaid supplies and questing 1-40 so we will see if that helps. 3) no reimburse for mounts..they are rewarding if you didn't buy one..I guess I'm ok with it since the mount is so crucial to the game. 4) mc 20man i weirdly don't hate because I never really had more than 37-38 people in mc. 40mans were hard to come by especially after p1. hope you are still enjoying yourself though, these aren't unfixable problems for the most part
I started SoD 2 days before phase 2. I luckily chose warlock. Free mount and able to aoe farm. I currently have 250g and max professions. Took your advice and got an enchanter to start DEing.
Both my friends who play SoD started Phase 1 Day 1 and I ended up helping both of them pay for their mounts.
Just gotta know where and what to farm imo. The bottom left of badlands is great but don't come when I'm there or ill steal your tags and BM you. XD
You made the right choice, warlock can even farm high level mobs and not really lose much health. I think you made a great choice, don't you get free epic mount too with a questline at 60? As for farming spots, I was just in the bottom left of badlands farming, but it didn't feel amazing. Is it mostly for greens? Solid stone feels low value
@@NOHITJEROME so the ogres drop a bunch of mageweave and the waylaid supplies. But they also have a chance of dropping the Boe epic items as well as the pattern for white bandit mask. Just sold for 50g.
@NOHITJEROME been thinking of some ways to make some gold for next phase. Right now bolts of runecloth are selling for less than bolts of mageweave right now. As well as those purple lotus. I'm thinking of scooping them all up for the p3 boom. The people posting higher level mats from fishing/crates might be selling low.
scooping up all the runecloth bolts is so smart because they are nearly vendor price so you can't lose any money. so many p3 items to snipe, i need to make some lists. thanks for the ideas r mar@@r.mar.673
@NOHITJEROME update on this... bolts of runecloth are now 40s each on my server. Half of mageweave rn. Scooping them all up to 60s. I don't have as much gold as some 😆
Tbh phase 2 hasn't been casual and pug friendly, most of my fellow countrymen can't even get into raids because they were newer players with less than 1 yr playing this game and who used to be a gold farmer, most of them do not communicate at all and quite unfamiliar with pve and pvp scene. no one taking them on pug run either bg, raid, even blood moon. I had to organize raid now and teaching basic mechanics in order for them to get better and get to enjoy phase 2 experience. I'm not a good player myself but i am committed to fix the issue within the community to make the game more enjoyable for casual andies. the community is horrible right now particularly towards raiding where they feel the need to check on your experience and qualifications. We are all human beings and capable of learning from mistakes and tbf gnomeregan is complex but ain't really that hard.
hi druidism, you are right the game was not pug friendly or casual in any way. i am really glad you are committed to fixing the community and doing something about this, becasue very few people are willing. I believe with the new 100% xp boost everyone will want to hit max level and few will have raiding experience.
isn't it ridiculous that groups require raiding experience but how can a new player possible have that? it makes no sense
Gold is definitely my biggest problem. I don't have time . Enough to. Farm
hi brad, i agree, it's the big problem right now. they just added waylaid supply bonus gold and questing gold, do you see that helping you out a bit at least?
The bots arent rumors thats for sure.
hi big graz, i dont want to be sued. alleged bots, allegedly flying through stockades at rapid speeds, allegedly. it's like bigfoot, you never know if the footage is real.. (lol)
@@NOHITJEROME lol, allegedly alot of big foot sightings in the hinterlands
The main problem with SOD is people rush the content and have done everything come week 1 😂.
yes that's what always happens though isn't it sam, blizz wants people to rush and push to max level and the endgame and then it happens and we all run out of stuff to do
Yet the community peer pressure stops at addressing the bots. When my WHO list is 80% mages in their 30s running stocks that needs to be resolved. Most easy thing to fix, but we know they won’t have an actual person do it.
you are right but i think the community does complain about bots, its just an exception where blizz either doesn't or can't do anything to appease people quickly. whereas a complaint about balance can be instantly appeased with a bluepost in 10 seconds
@@NOHITJEROME So would a post saying they will start adressing the bot issue
Your looking good Jerome!
yoo thanks jeremy, that is extremely nice of you to say. hope you are having an excellent day my friend
People complain rogues aren't getting a slot is bullshit that's warriors I see rogues getting picked for raids no problem or melee dps
even a few people getting turned down is a shock after how good rogues were in p1..they aren't used to it
It's funny, Phase2 Raiding is worse than retail, all the Logs and XP needed is ridiculous
hmmm, i agree. not sure how it got to this point.where did we go wrong
You are right, gold is massively inflated, good that i played P1, if i just starting sod now its not very pretty situation gold wise with bots and blizzard adds oil in the fire with thwir dumb gold sinks thinking will fix situation. They made supply boxes reward 12 gold which result in massive inflation for those low level mats to craft the items... insane for totally new players, if they wanted to create ez gold farm for playwrs with those boxes they should put a cap on the mats in ah.
hi g.g., right now the economy is in a bad situation. i am enjoying the game and don't want to be too negative, butone issue is that the waylaid supplies "injecting gold" is very good for bots but most people hate farming. the only way to make gold for avg players is mob grinding but it's also too crowded. not sure what the best solutions are. do you have any ideas?
@NOHITJEROME my only idea for average players that cant compete with bots is to check future enchants mats , alchemy mats and cooking ingredients and buy them or farm them now and bank on them once their price sky rockets in P3. Such as golden pearl used for 30 spell power on weapon is now 8 to 11 gold and will be arou d 100 or the winter fish for 10 agility food or runecloth bolt from fishing or any other material that is a part of very desired recepie next phase. Once phase 3 hits and bots manage to get to 50... will be 2 late again :( farm now ba k firat 2 weeks thats it i guess. Basically what i do now is open atlass loot go to professions and crafting and read everything we can craft or cook or whatever next phase and see what from the mats is collectable from P2 and bank on it when 50. For example bought around 20 stacks of runecloth bolts already for 25 silver per per bolt... im aure they will be over 1 gold.
No ones gonna talk about NerfTer
blizzard seems to be like "well you had your fun..take a month off" which is interesting because I don't feel like anyone plays the game that way. if our classes are bad we just quit the game lol. are you managing to hold strong after all the nerfs?
Well said. First rational non doomer take I’ve seen
thanks spicysharp, it is hard to not make a video like this very negative, but i tried to keep it balanced. appreciate your feedback
I did hit 40 with my ret on week 1. Had to reroll to be able to raid fucking Gnomeregan lol
yooo iskander, that's insane that you had to do that. I feel like consistent guilds should just accept the rollercoaster and not make people reroll. As for pugs..they'll just take whatever is the flavor of the month. as a priest that means they offer me gold to come..but we all know in a month priest will be trash and everyone will want holy paladins or something. what'd you end up rerolling to after ret?
Just give rogues a raid buff, they are literally the only class that doesn't have one. To the people saying its easy bring whatever. Most pugs dont kill last boss, so as raid lead they want to try and set the group up for success as much as they can. Why bring a rogue who doesnt buff the group when you can bring someone who does just as easy?
i agree rogues getting some kind of pve buff makes sense to me. the lack of utility is the big issue because if they arent top 3 dps why bring them? i appreciate the reasoning about most pugs not clearing the last boss, it explains the gatekeeping a lot. i wonder what the best buff would be for rogues now to fix it
@NOHITJEROME in wotlk we gave 3% crit to poisoned targets as assassination. If they make the crit both spell and melee, that would be really powerful.. Even if it is just melee, it's better than the nothing we have now.
"too many runes"
Tell that to warriors, getting basically 0 runes
blood moon should have much less players per layer and there shouldn't be teams at all
i agree, if it were solo and not 50000 people it would be amazing. i would love to see a week where they try that just to see how it would go
If arena was to happen i would not have much reason to complain
i would love arena, maybe at 60? very imbalanced but i think 3v3 would be extremely fun
Blizzard needs to stop trying to make Classic "feel" like Classic. That "feel" was only there because everything was new and the player base were kids and teenagers figuring things out. 90% of player base today is bunch old heads. Everything is now min, maxed, and data mined. Back in the day it took ages to do anything, but it was all new to everyone which is what made it seem fun and rewarding instead of a tedious time waste. Today, grinding, farming, and spending days of /played on 1 character, let alone on multiple characters, that may not be around in a year, on something you know exactly what will be rewarded and how to exactly do it is not fun.
It's a SEASONAL server. Leveling should take considerably less time, maybe 6-12 hours from 1 to Max (no paid boosts). Allow players who want to level the old fashion way the ability to toggle off the XP boost and give them a cool mount and title. Runes were an interesting concept, but they feel like a hassle now. Generally long quests and journeys are for good items, not core class abilities. It's not fun running around leveling your class knowing your character could be so much stronger but they're not because you haven't had the time or friends to help you get a rune. Make consumes and pre-raid BIS items abundant and easy to get. Stop forcing open World PvP. Open arena and rated BGs, and have the PVP rewards be just a little worse than PVE items. Stop trying to balance classes every week. Remove unnecessary gold sinks.
Hi Richard, you are very right. The playerbase has drastically changed, the original design of the game no longer fits the demographic. THATS the reason gold buying exists. Because we have less time but the loop of the game is farm gold..farm materials..raid.. etc. We have no time for this. I agree that things should be accelerated. I think the concern is that if you take away the grinds..you aren't left with enough content.
The grind IS the content in a way. Even if it isn't fun. I wouldn't mind arena/rated bgs, I do have a theory we will get arenas at 60. People LOVE arenas even if the balance will be a trashfire. Pretty much spot on points though about the reason the game feels slightly broken/off at times. WE got old.
@@NOHITJEROME I will have to disagree with the grind being the content. The content was supposed to be the new runes, events, and raids. Imo there is more than enough content with the new stuff within the given time frame. There are 9 classes to level and gear up. People just feel like there is not enough content because they're not interested in redoing the same long grinds on another character. So they're stuck to redoing the same content with the same character and same spells. It's just way too much of a time sink for such a small reward.
One week parses:
Warrior: 259,242
Rogue: 225,853
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Druid (feral): 144,351
Druid (balance): 129,699
Priest (dps): 128,117
just too many 'zug zug' and 'rats' players
that's it
it's true everyone wants to be the hero and play war/rogue. nobody wants to support. ahhh an unfixable problem i would say
Rogue whinning after being king in classic and P1… please think about ret, it wasnt a problem at the time riight? Just swallow the pills and create your grp !
it's true, why is ret being ig nored when they are in a far worse position? i guess the argument is they bring a lot of utility and have other viable specs. though rogues can tank now..so who knows
I'd remove rogues and holy paladins until phase 3
they already did hahahhaha...(sorry hpals and rogues)