I have been playing since the beginning, and have never been closer to quitting than I was this week when I watched a D4 at 8 million take out a 22 million pilium solely based on having Andy Billips on board. The D4 walked away with barely a scratch. It’s not right that someone can negate months of grinding and work with a single credit card swipe.
My 140m Talios with strike team got obliterated by an 8m Saladin...thanks to Freeman. I have given up spending (except BP) since they introduced those primes with 10 levels to give crazy efficiencies on ships: this is a paywall i cannot accept to pay (even if i am lvl 59 and obviously was not F2P before)
Yep I saw a ship clearing out a territory up for grabs all on their own they won the territory by the way. Singlehandedly against a high level f2p team.
Another reason to stop playing. They clearly aren't using the money to actually fix the game, probably just using it to research more ways to drain people's wallets.
I'm still upset they changed the way Burning worked because it effected whales to much. For those who didn't know. Burning used to start in round 1. So you could spam a Reata against any ship and hit it for 1% damage if Burning procked. But... Clearly, giving the krill and Doplhins a method of defending against Mega Whales was to strong. So it got changes. To where Burning only has an impact if you make it through the first round of battle. Over night it recked one of the best strengths to burning crews.
@@dugarii007yes, but it doesn’t damage the opponent unless you survive. Which is what the guy is saying; before the fix you could ‘realta burn’ a big ship, which stopped as soon as the whales started whining
@@dugarii007 it might show it at the start, but the hidden 1% flat damage isn't inflicted until the end of round 1. (Post change) The damage used to get taken off at the start of the round. Meaning even if you died in round 1 (example to a 1B powered whale ship) you still did 1% damage to the ship. Hit a ship with 100 realtas with Gergo and you could kill any ship... It meant there was a risk/reward and whales could not just park a new massive ship in hostile space and laugh as every bounced off it.
Totally agree! I've been so disappointed this month that I didn't buy the battle pass for the first time in years. It's especially a slap in the face when they change events to prevent ftp from getting anything at all. Changing the scoring for the Syndicate event, change the spend event with no leaderboard, taking solo directive spending out of the armada event, it just goes on and on. It's already a huge time commitment to do these heroic armada events, what's the harm in letting some ftp finish them too if they're working for it? It's like they're asking people to quit at this point. I'm also only still here for the friends I've made.
I've stopped trying the heroic events cause you can't finish them just by just doing your normal thing everyday, events used to be fun when all you had to do was your normal thing and put in a little extra kill or mining what ever event it was now it's you have to spend unless you been saving for over a month to get even half way towards finishing the event
It is weird, because everything they're doing does feel like they think its dying and they're no longer shearing the sheep, but that they're finally slaughtering them. I'm mid 50s, and I felt like up until fairly recently 1-2 packs a month was enough to continue playing. But now it feels like you would need to be buying like 10+ packs to simply stay where you are. It felt like the meta before was there would be either a new ship, new very important officers, new Primes in a month. Now it's all 3 almost every month, or a new battlepass or new research tree with a new particle... It went from 1 'must have' a month to like 3-4 must haves, and getting a full officer went from a single pack thing to like multiple packs for partial unlocks. And I don't understand forbidden tech at all, they add more and more of it, but they've in no way increased the access to the catalysts to tier up any of it. It does feel like a game on the verge of being shut down, but I know that's not their intention, so I've got no idea what they're doing
Its entirely possible different divisions within Scopely have different views and agendas. Because I agree completely, on the one hand its felt like they've been trying to milk whatever they can out of this thing before it dies, and on the other hand you have Dev diaries and plans that make it look like they think the game will last for years longer. It seems to be contradictory and crazy, but its entirely possible different people working in different departments have different goals/opinions.
The thing that really disappointed me was the Dr T'ana sms a bit ago. It was just flat out deceptive, with the 2 different tokens being nearly identical, and how instead of your progress going towards said officer shards it went towards a dabo table pull with a chance of the officer.
Good to see a video like this calling out Scopely. The game may not be dead but PvP and SLB competition is certainly dead from all the recent paywalled additions.
💯 agree Rev. Pay to skip the grind and progress faster is good gives options but pay to win is not. I came to this game as I was unable to progress in other game I played due to not buying the parts to upgrade to get stronger. STFC you could grind for any ship in the game and the ability to upgrade. Events help that. But now I have seen a few ppl leave the game this month as it’s not the same game it’s pay to win and totally removes ftp or casual from competing or even trying. The whales are rewarded and ftp casual is punished.
The game is in a sad state. I’ve played for 4 years and have pretty much stopped playing atm compared to how much time I was spending on it. It just feels like they have given up caring about your average player and they’re only concern now is to make as much money as they can before the game dies
I agree. The last contested TC showed me that Scopely is about pay to win. I couldn't beat some ships that were a third to half as strong as mine, but they had Freeman, forbidden tech, and whatever the heck ISO is. I don't feel like spending $99 a pop for every little FT, crew card, research node, etc. just so I can scrap my ship when G6 comes out.
Thanks Rev, this needed to be said. Scopley does not understand it's player base only it's whales. They may be getting new players but unless they are willing to spend money, they are not going to stay.
Exactly. Also, if the game gets lots of negative reviews, less people will start playing. I changed my review on Google Play Store after I quit the game, telling people about the broken PvP and how they changed many events to p2w.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this Rev. I've always been a light to sometimes medium spender and the last three months I've felt completely unvalued as a player. Legitimately felt like Scopely has just said we don't care about you or the quality of game you experience unless you spend thousands per month. I was considering putting the game down until the leaders of my alliance just up and quit leaving me with the reigns. They weren't happy people weren't spending more to progress. But so many of our 80+ players don't feel like they can progress or compete without spending tons of money. And we had 6 people just up and quit after Voyager ended and LD was previewed. I know they are getting new players but they are alienating a lot of us that have been here since the beginning.
Have been a fairly good spender in the past but this latest prime and FT saturation has turned me off completely. There's a difference between wanting to spend to accelerate progress and enjoying the game without as much grinding versus feeling like I'm being forced to spend just to keep up. When they generate over a $1000 worth of new sales per month, it's either go f2p and hope they cease this madness or eventually call it quits. Only time will tell.
I can remember we saw this happen the first week of global launch. Yes, I was invited by Scopely to be a tester because I played and spent on another of their games. They launched the Jelly the first week as basically a pay to get ship, and it broke the game.
Thanks for the great input and all you do Rev. This may push me out of the game finally. Im still getting my pilum regardless first but as ftp who loves crews, base defenses, and doing slbs on occasion, this is the final nail unless some miracle happens and they hard ftp it all and remove the base defense prime.
100% agree, Rev. As a spender, I've been so turned off by their primes and PVP nonsense that i didn't even know they released the "Prime Station Delay." It used to drive me crazy watching Rev open his store because of all the primes clogging up his store, etc. and now my store is just is clogged with unbought stuff. And then there's the Disco Prime, I had been predicting a Disco-A, so I'm surprised because a prime is a one-month spend and ships cost a lot more and span more time.
Scopely really outdid themselves with disco primes,first 50$ gets you nowhere especially on maxed disco so just say 100$ for prime from start and when g6 comes out I bet it won’t reach g6 space and they can sell 2 more lvls!
Rev. You are the voice of the game and speak the truth. FTP and light spenders are the soul of the game. We log in to hang with our people. Scopely. Fix the bugs, lessen the grinds..be more generous with giving away stuff and player sentiment will improve. P.s if the five year anniversary stuff sucks, peeps will leave the game.
I really like this video. It is more so your passion around the circles we play in. Scopely are bleeding us, even me a spender is getting fed up. New crews plus FT making me rethink my spending to this company. They seem to have no plan, and its a desperate scramble.
Everything you outlined is why as a level 60, I quit a few months ago. I saw the trend and I didn’t like it. Not only has the pay 2 win strategy taken over, the quantity of spending items is absurd. And while I did go f2p for a while before quitting, the technical issues and stability pushed me over the edge.
Yeah, thanks for nailing this. I'm f2p by choice so can't vote with my wallet even more :D So I'm just limiting my activity during pvp events. Your Prime station delay won't work if I shield for 24 h during incursion :D I'm out of hope that anything will change in STFC tbh.
I decided to go FTP for the time being. Don’t see me lasting 6 months. They are definitely pushing folks out, and there are some good other game options out there. Just started a new one…
Started leveling up to OPS43 before summer holidays, and have only been online to set a 7 day shield.When I returned thes week, OPS43 was finished without speed-ups. Can't say I've missed the game. But do miss the friends I made in-game. Glad Discord isn't as frustrating as this game has become. And there still aren't enough hours in a day :)
I've been playing for 4 years. Level 53 with a 90m Corvus. For the past two months, I've been popping 30 day shields and only been logging on once or twice a week just to see what's going on. I'm just about checked out of the game for many reasons. It's a losing fight, everyone just has their own limit before they move on.
I feel like they also added a delay to heal base to 7 seconds instead of 2 seconds after base attack is initiated. Now allowing the attacker to chain 2 attacks before defender can even heal.
@derpizzadieb two incursions ago I used to be able to heal all my platforms by time the first 5 second attack cycle finished... last incursions it didn't allow me till they already had 2nd attack started. Yeah... really feels more like scoply added a delay over it being server lag.
Great video, and you are right. There is nothing wrong with folks spending to progress, as long as there is a REASONABLE way for FTP to acquire it. I really think they need to revamp PvP, it is so unbalanced. All you are left with are Kingmakers who dictate how everyone else should play because they have big wallets. I'm nearly done myself, can barely get myself to do my monthly event document anymore.
It used to be that Event Stores could be a catch up mechanic for these pay to win mechanics, but notice how FT, Fleet Commanders, and new ship skins aren’t showing up any more.
I will say that I wasn't aware of either of those Prime researches you pointed out. That does obviously put lower level players at a disadvantage. It is understandable that the whales need to eat, but by making it so much easier for them to eat lower marine life, you run the risk of running said marine life out of the area completely. Yes, there can always be new life found, but when it is subjected to the same abuse, it to will leave at some point as well. The fact that the majority of the bundles offered are always 99.99, makes it less likely that more people will spend much money in game. Smaller bundles are more often more easily justified than large ones. Not fixing bugs in favor of pushing out new things for the more lavish spenders is another way of eating away at the player base. These things will erode players faith in the game and lead to players leaving.
I’m f2p. Used to be able to be in the top 10 on mining mondays. Not anymore after I think ops 42/43. Why? They pit little me against everyone higher. I can’t mine G5. Feeshas have capacity limits and get killed when it gets OPL. I had two then. I gave up. I understood why my alliance mates also quit mining madly for the higher levels. It’s hopeless. Look forward to us less than krills to die off and regained our Real Lives (again too many dailies to do.. what quality of life improvements? Negated by the numerous new ships and their loops.) I’ve really lost track of what each specialty ship does what cos it’s old news by the time I really got them.
The first video I have watched since I quit a few months ago. Good to see ya Rev. I miss the community but this game just got to be too much time and money to be fun anymore. At first, I tried to offset the expenses by grinding more but it became obvious that things were going to just get worse and not better. It sounds like Scopley is continuing to push players away. I had dropped a few thousand into it before I left. It seems crazy looking back at it but I had some good times and met some good people. The guys like me who spent $400-$500 a month every month has got to hurt them in the long run. Several whales quit too after I left. Like you said when the food gets scarce.....
I don’t know about y’all but scopely shattered my trust when they had Rev and DJz run a poll to see what we wanted in the event store….. then put all of that stuff in packs. Still fires me up to this day
Funny story. I started playing this game in spring of 2019. My phone broke a couple of months later and by the time I got a new one I didn't remember to reinstall until about a month and a half ago. The difference between then and now was jarring. No one wants to PVP. No one talks in global chat. An alliance war started but fizzled out after a day and a half as everyone realized it was pointless. I've played some obscure games and I've never been more sure a game was dead. So the fact that Scopely thinks it isn't is pretty funny to me.
I'm with you my friend. I'm going to purchase star Trek Infinite and if it satisfies my Star Trek itch, I'm leaving. My alliance had territory prior to this recent cash grab. Now we're getting slaughtered by the pay2 play alliances. It's just not any fun anymore.
Yeah the zoom bug, the lag, the need for constant restarts, and the continually shifting (monetized) meta I just decided I'm never spending money on this game again. Not even the $20 battlepass. There's no point. If the game was stable/properly playable then yeah fine. But I don't believe on it's current arc of progress it's got more than 2-3years left in it and i'm not feeding money into something that'll vanish and leave with nothing.
I still think one of the better ways scopely could unlock Prime research and other paywalled items is through Away Team missions.Have the critical success of the mission work towards a prime research particle and when the research is unlocked that particular mission no longer populated.
This path started earlier this summer. If it weren't for the community and cc's like you at that cat guy, I'd already be gone. Keep.up the good work! Maybe one day the overlords will heed your warnings. Maybe.
Everything you said is 100% legit sir. This is the first month in two years I looked at the arc, the events and held off on spending, the real kicker was the dr and strike team sms. I will not put another dollar into this game until they remember they make more of 1000’s of battle passes then 5 whales 🐋 per server
I bought the whip just to make mining Monday SMS easy and so I don’t have to worry about the daily refinery which was causing me some issues. I also quite like the FT refinery Conc. Lat into FT materials plus the amount of materials in the pack made it worth while for me. But I absolutely agree it should have a F2P path (6 shards a week) so 25 weeks from now most people would have it, and I’m happy paying effectively $2 a week for my early access, plus the mats etc.etc. As for the Prime station delay nonsense, it’s a truly awful idea they say they’ve introduced it cause of Pon, so we’re expected to pay to correct a problem (I don’t really think it’s a problem the station should be able to take down big ships) they introduced. Just like the broken 4 star/5 star economy we have prime to fix that (oh as an after thought we’ll add a partial F2P route but that will be painfully slow). Honestly you do wonder how long it will be before there is a Prime lag reduction. We’ve lost a number of players from our server, not just F2P but players who spend significant sums of money Scopely you’re killing the game in this cash grab please listen.
Hwy, Rev. Amazing video. I've been feeling this way about the game for months. Im glad you see it, too. As far as the three examples are concerned, I have mixed options. The whip, that they can keep. Mining Monday has pretty much been pay to play since the Fiesha was introduced anyways. The Discovery research should be retooled as a 10 step f2p that is level locked appropriately. Its a 2 part prine, so 1st boosts by 60 and 2nd by 350. For those that boyghr it, a woopsy chest compensate to the $100 or $200 they spent in value should be given and they should be grandfathered ibro the replacement, wherever that is based on their purchase, even if its beyond their level lock if possible. The base delay prime needs a full scrap all together with a comp chest for those who bought it. THAT is the one I see as a game killer.
I hear ya Rev, it's a community game, where progress is a long process without spending a dime, I purchased a few battle passes but it's getting ridiculous now.
Preach on REV! Spending should help progress not win. I gave up on mining Monday other than the SMS 4 years ago. ONCE I spent hours, set timers, stayed up late and placed 5th for mining Monday. Never again, the rewards are NOT worth the effort. I do the SMS and stop, unless I need a particular stuff. $co-PAY as I call them needs to start fixing the lag, bugs and instability in the game. And the EASIEST thing they could do is communicate! BUT they can't or won't do it. As a former operations manager in a multi-billion dollar corporation, I find that DEPLORABLE! I love Star Trek, but this crap has got to stop! BE BETTER STFC!!
It's absolutely pay to win now, and it's very depressing. In our server folks with the deep pockets are able to decide which alliance you can or can't be friends with, and go to war with you simply because they just don't like you - and the attacks are coming across as borderline bullying now, because their ships are so powerful there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it, except cede to their whims. Whales can just decide that they don't like you and commit to making your gameplay miserable in the hopes of making you either leave your alliance or quit the game - the folks that don't have the deep pockets need better protections.
Very well said, thank you! Like you, I'm frustrated too, and like you, my larger concern is making sure the game has a long and healthy life ahead. These things definitely give me reason to worry. Scopely seems to have allowed their ego to get too big; They think they can do whatever they want, and face no consequences. Businesses cost money to operate, so obviously Scopely needs to make money. But, as you said, these games also need a healthy player base. I don't have the answer, but I hope the game sticks around for many more years. Thanks for fighting for the players, Rev.
I said in the last arc that this game has gone full on BUY OR DIE. Not jsut buy to progress or be a bit better, but this is full on buy to be more than 1000% better. Big spenders have alreayd had a huge advantege, why does it need to be even more exponential?
Love the video and have felt this way for a long while as a light spender it is getting increasingly hard to keep up and stay in any form of relevant.. sure hope they change things soon and that way I don't lose friends quitting or do it myself ...
I’m almost entirely a PvE player. How entirely? I’m lvl 39 and hit a total of 8 player ships. Eight TOTAL. I do have PvP officers, but they are only for the possibility I’ll have to defend myself. There’s no good reason to have them though. What’s a 6.5M Ent going to do against a 1B D’Derridex owned by a guy who doesn’t follow ROE? What are you supposed to do against entire alliances of these types of people? What do you do when the game company doesn’t care about parity but only cares about money? Here’s what Scopely SHOULD do to save the rest of us: Take the all the alliances and divide them up into tiers. Take the highest (what?) 50 alliances? Put them in their own server. Match up alliances based on power and put them with li,e alliances into their own server. Scopely is basically the Ferengi group. They care little for long term stability. Everything they do is so transparent. They only innovate when they need money. It has nothing to do with what the players want. It has everything to do with how much money is in their coffers. That’s why they’re doing “pay to win”. Player progress never was/ is a goal. It’s more of an “icing on the cake” thing to Scopely. To them, if it happens then cool. As long as those that pay, stay…..then who cares?
Thank you Rev! Agree with everything you have said! I love the community of this game and want us to continue to thrive and grow together....like Star Trek!
Great job, Rev. I don’t mind spending $20/month; however, these prime node purchases are diluting the game and driving people away. Great video, Rev. one of the things I’ve watched is how the math on different bonuses like shield health, mining speed, etc continues to get watered down. That fact causes me to decrease my desire to purchase anything - yet alone continue to play the game. It’s going deeper into pay pay pay - quality of game and enjoyment is secondary. I don’t know the current number of players; however, given server merges, I suspect the numbers of players are going down. Hopefully Scopely asks why - before it’s too late.
Agree with everything, certainly feel like my enjoyment level has dropped massively this year. Dipping my toes in Infinite and will need to see if it could replace a community strong mobile game.
I'm ops 49, and I have been seeing the game head in the pay to win/play direction, and it's starting to make me play less cause now that they have done this, it's feeling more like a job to play the game and cause I have to put my hard earned money into the game to move forward. Back before you did things to move toward the scrap your ship to get free primes and and would help you our a ton, now 100 dollars doesn't even get you your pilum cloak. But that is why I have been playing more Cyberpunk 2077 and their new expansion. I understand a grind I've played WoW for a long time and understand how games make their money, but if something is out for more then 6 months there should be a free to play path for it PERIOD
The Discovery warp range extension was necessary - but it really should have been regular research. The station attack delay should not have ever even been considered, that is literally op. I hope, with them using the Prime Valor Emblems for multiple researches, (and also the Dolamide particles...) that we will eventually get a free to play path to them, like the Prime Particles from the treasury building drip.
The pay to win is constant now. If you don't pay to get the new Iso officers you are screwed. Even if you pay to get them you are still screwed because hitting up is non-existent. I used to be able to hold my own against a chunk of higher levels or at least make it expensive for them but now even it's not even close. They have taken the art of crewing out and therefor the joy out of PvP.
Honestly Rev, what the QI'yaH can the low-to-no spenders do about it? If Scopely is hitting or probably even exceeding revenue targets, how will general game play ever be a priority? For me, the game hasn't been fun for months, but I'm living in hope that things will change. But that can't last forever. I feel like we are actually in the death loop of the game, it's just going to take a few years for it to take effect. There really needs to be leadership change within Scopely for positive "fantastic game play" change to happen. On the other hand, the thought going into ST:Infinite is profoundly different and profoundly positive (I just don't have the patience for grand strategy these days).
Rev, you are on it. I appreciate your message and perspective. I have played since 2019; I would have been VERY upset had I spent money on Forbidden Technologies.
Well said Rev, a lot of us feel the same way as you, but you know what the worse thing is, Scopely is actually making it easy to walk away, i never thought i would say that after all the money and time investment.
It’s $150 to increase your Discovery warp range. So not only are there primes, they are making them 2 levels. So now I need to spend an extra $50 to get the prime to its fullest.
Amen. They need to figure out that if they continue this way, they will kill the golden goose. If this wasn't a Star Trek game, if it was just some generic space game, it would have died out a long time ago.
Excellent video REV. Yes Scopely is a business but they are killing this game for GREED. As long as you have m.o.r.o.n.s who are spending money they don't have or their rent money on ridiculously priced $100 packs Scopely is going to keep gouging players. Easy fix, STOP SPENDING MONEY PEOPLE!
I totally agree. I am f2p, and I feel assaulted by all of the obvious money grabs and favors to high spending players. Clearly, Scopely is getting as much money as they can before it all collapses. I am so close to just quitting and walking away.
Rev, I’m with you on this one 100%! I’ve been trying to get ST La’An for months now. Only way I think I will ever get her is to pay. I only buy maybe one or two things a month. Rest is just grind and grind and grind and even that now is becoming untenable. There are things I’d like to get but I just won’t spend $100 on anything here. It’s crazy to think most of us can drop 100 here and a 100 there for something. I remember the first dock I bought was $20. Why is it now $100? If the game doesn’t change it will force me out and I don’t want that to happen. I enjoy it and my alliance mates. But something has to give somewhere…
I actually had quit the game for a few years because of the pay aspect. I did come back because it is a good game... but you MUST curve your desire to be an affective PVP player and just enjoy the daily grind and your alliance family... kinda. I will say that some 700 (if not more) key clicks a day...sucks.
I've been saying for the last several arcs, Scopely is making it more and more for paying customers ONLY!!! I mean look at the events, they don't even give that much shards for new officers anymore, let alone getting a new officer. The SMS turn into a heroic know F2P players don't have that much in terms of uncommon materials, basically telling us go buy a pack. Pretty soon the only event they would allow F2P to complete will be the battle pass and the complete new missions....unless they make us buy the new missions also. I'm tell you Scopely is run by Ferengis.
I totally agree. Why was I not surprised to see that the prime Discovery warp increase was only available through the pay store? Very disappointed. My dwindling spare change will remain in my pocket.
Thank you. As a F2P player I have been continually frustrated. I want to keep playing I want to progress... I wish I had money to burn on games but I don't... I will soon get to a point where I cannot compete and I will leave.
I'm not surprised by any of this. I have had a lot of experiences when a company gets taken over by a bean counter. They look to make as much fast money as they can using economic ideas that have been proven to be wrong, or just bad. They don't care as they are in it for what ever money they can. As soon as the money starts to dry up. they will try to sell the game off, or just shut the hole thing down. I haven't spent any money on this game in over a year, and I'm at the point that I go on the game to engage with my alliance members only. I'm thinking of walking a way from the game play, as it's not worth the time with all the bullies that $copely just keeps empowering.
I am about ready to be done with this game, no Voyager, no pickle, no officers from last month or this month. I barely have the motivation to even log in and do the events (when I can get the game to run for more than 10 minutes at a time). I think the game has become "how much can you spend in a month?" Makes me feel IDGAF anymore. Let's not mention the new territory stuff. We have three alliances with multiple side alliances that have taken all but a few of the areas now. As a single alliance you can't challenge ones that can bring 400 people (not ships, accounts) to fight for one territory.
1000% percent agree with everything you said in your video rev as i've started to see the die off of the krill am even some whales on my sever already because of the stupid changed they have been making the last few months to the point where fun in this game is becoming a rarity any more
Plus they need to limit people that can be in tc to just those that are in the alliances that are involved in the actual tc takeover as well they need to make it so once you get a tc you have to wait 48 to 72 hrs before you can drop it
Agreed on Prime Station Delay. Paying so you can punch down is redic. And of course we have 60s on our server who are basically rogues, so this just makes them worse. I suppose one wealthy bully offsets a lot of low spend people that they make quit, but doesnt seem good for long term game health to me.
I totally agree rev. Don't forget that you now have 2 battle Passes to pay for so now you have twice the monthly spending. I'm not, but others are, this driving a bigger wedge between me and the game and I don't want to stop, but I will, eventually.
I’m honestly tired of it all myself. I’m a player who can spend very little. I haven’t even bought battlepasses in years. The game is becoming harder and harder for me to play and be any kind of competitive. The time required went down for like the first month they introduced Freebooters but then it turned around and went right back to normal. It just isn’t as fun anymore, if it literally wasn’t for the people I play with over on S33 I’d have quit by now. We keep asking them to listen and they don’t. They said they were going to increase player communication and they even hired another person and communication overall has gone down as they instead put out fancy little videos instead….i just don’t even know what to say anymore.
One of your best videos and possibly the most relevant. The points you make in this video really resonate with me and I'm at the point now where I'm contemplating leaving
There are so many players in my alliance that feel like quiting because they can't keep up with how the game has been lately. It's not fair for the free to play or moderate spenders to feel left out because other players are willing to spend ridiculous amounts of cash on pixels. Like you, they stick around for the friendships they have developed, but do not intend to make Scopely anymore money. I personally have not spent anything since this Lower Deck part 2 started. Hope things get better soon!
Gonna sound overly simplified, but just quit spending. Don't pickup the Battle Passes and avoid the sucker traps. I quit spending May 2022 and in the last 17 months I only bought the Sept 2023 Battle Pass because it had the full unlock of Carol Freeman. I have found myself less frustrated than I ever have in the game.
everything you said in the video was no news in general. not when it comes to content, pay2x and the physolophy of makin as much money as possible. but even going into details, you're basically right. the new content gets recycled and renewed so fast that its almost impossible for a free to player player to get their hands on it. and with the addition of all those premium currencies that you can only get from the shop (first prime research nodes could have been done for free to play players by scrapping ships etc.), the community is split even further. and it will be the same with the 6 star economy as well. power creep will probably be so huge that all 5 star investments go to waste once you get a 6 star uncommon ship. but only time will tell if anything is going to change
And in the middle of the summer I ask rev if they were going to reward players for spending money in game and he thought no they weren't and yet here we are
We can gripe and complain all that we want about how bad the game is, but as long as the engagement number and the money keep flowing Scopely does not really have any incentive to invest in solutions to benefit the playerbase at large. They know that they can release subpar content and people will spend heavily on it. Then they can sell the fixes for that content and people will spend once again. Finally, sometimes as early as a month later (looking at your multi-tiered efficiency primes) they can sell new stuff that invalidates the previous stuff and people will spend even more than before.
Rev not holding back... and been feeling much the same of late The "whales need krill" analogy is fairly spot on... I know these games need spenders and money to survive, but without giving something to keep the no/low/mid level spenders around (or the krill/dolphins if you like) theres nothing to keep the whales interested and active... saw it happen back when was playing SWGoH, so P2W focussed, meta changing every few months, that no point unless you spent the big bucks Whats doubly annoying is they are so full on grabbing as much cash as they can, but still can't even get basics right. Yeah ok with a game this complicated the odd bug and issue is going to happen, but something as simple as the right/wrong officers in the ticketed events payout? That's just pure poor quality control, basic cock ups like that shouldnt be happening in any game let alone one at this level... but mistakes like that seem to be becoming the norm rather than the exception Still not likely to be walking away totally anytime soon, but def questioning the time/effort/money spend and whether is even worth it... Never spent big but used to at least buy the BP each month, but now questioning whether the benefit/value is even in that anymore and for the first time in 12/18 months not likely to get it And with that rant over and vacating my own soapbox 🤣
Especially when I look at the price of the BP and for just the cost of a Beer or two on top (or cider in my case🍺 lol) I can go get ST Infinite and know have probably got at least 4-6 months before I'll need to pay up for more/dlc/whatever...
I agree with you Rev, I have cut back on the spending and I am about to stop spending altogether just because the game is going down the same path I have seen in other mobile games ( those are one I quit by the way)
100% with ya rev, I'm about fed up after 4 years of this and many,many people on server 56 is talking about leaving game in groups and switch to a more friendly $$$ wise game instead, and we've spent thousands each just to be Krill over time , just to be worse then Krill now days.😢
I have been playing since the beginning, and have never been closer to quitting than I was this week when I watched a D4 at 8 million take out a 22 million pilium solely based on having Andy Billips on board. The D4 walked away with barely a scratch. It’s not right that someone can negate months of grinding and work with a single credit card swipe.
My 140m Talios with strike team got obliterated by an 8m Saladin...thanks to Freeman. I have given up spending (except BP) since they introduced those primes with 10 levels to give crazy efficiencies on ships: this is a paywall i cannot accept to pay (even if i am lvl 59 and obviously was not F2P before)
Yep I saw a ship clearing out a territory up for grabs all on their own they won the territory by the way. Singlehandedly against a high level f2p team.
I'm waiting for the next arc. If it disappoints I'm likely gone
Scopely is shitty...nothin else u can say
Yep
Old story, but honestly as much money as Scopely gets off of us, there SHOULDN'T BE ANY BUGS!
Another reason to stop playing. They clearly aren't using the money to actually fix the game, probably just using it to research more ways to drain people's wallets.
Seriously! This last update was 1 bug fix (for something that wasn't broken until the last update) and 3 new monetization schemes. LAME
Stop spending money and just go f2p only
Ain't that tha TRUTH!
And time
I'm still upset they changed the way Burning worked because it effected whales to much.
For those who didn't know. Burning used to start in round 1. So you could spam a Reata against any ship and hit it for 1% damage if Burning procked.
But... Clearly, giving the krill and Doplhins a method of defending against Mega Whales was to strong. So it got changes.
To where Burning only has an impact if you make it through the first round of battle.
Over night it recked one of the best strengths to burning crews.
And now with the state of PVP you cannot even last past the first shot let alone the first round no matter how big your ship is, lol.
Every time we figure the game out they change it to negate our ingenuity
Georgiou still burns on round start
@@dugarii007yes, but it doesn’t damage the opponent unless you survive. Which is what the guy is saying; before the fix you could ‘realta burn’ a big ship, which stopped as soon as the whales started whining
@@dugarii007 it might show it at the start, but the hidden 1% flat damage isn't inflicted until the end of round 1. (Post change)
The damage used to get taken off at the start of the round. Meaning even if you died in round 1 (example to a 1B powered whale ship) you still did 1% damage to the ship.
Hit a ship with 100 realtas with Gergo and you could kill any ship... It meant there was a risk/reward and whales could not just park a new massive ship in hostile space and laugh as every bounced off it.
Totally agree! I've been so disappointed this month that I didn't buy the battle pass for the first time in years. It's especially a slap in the face when they change events to prevent ftp from getting anything at all. Changing the scoring for the Syndicate event, change the spend event with no leaderboard, taking solo directive spending out of the armada event, it just goes on and on. It's already a huge time commitment to do these heroic armada events, what's the harm in letting some ftp finish them too if they're working for it? It's like they're asking people to quit at this point. I'm also only still here for the friends I've made.
I've stopped trying the heroic events cause you can't finish them just by just doing your normal thing everyday, events used to be fun when all you had to do was your normal thing and put in a little extra kill or mining what ever event it was now it's you have to spend unless you been saving for over a month to get even half way towards finishing the event
It is weird, because everything they're doing does feel like they think its dying and they're no longer shearing the sheep, but that they're finally slaughtering them.
I'm mid 50s, and I felt like up until fairly recently 1-2 packs a month was enough to continue playing. But now it feels like you would need to be buying like 10+ packs to simply stay where you are.
It felt like the meta before was there would be either a new ship, new very important officers, new Primes in a month. Now it's all 3 almost every month, or a new battlepass or new research tree with a new particle...
It went from 1 'must have' a month to like 3-4 must haves, and getting a full officer went from a single pack thing to like multiple packs for partial unlocks.
And I don't understand forbidden tech at all, they add more and more of it, but they've in no way increased the access to the catalysts to tier up any of it.
It does feel like a game on the verge of being shut down, but I know that's not their intention, so I've got no idea what they're doing
Its entirely possible different divisions within Scopely have different views and agendas. Because I agree completely, on the one hand its felt like they've been trying to milk whatever they can out of this thing before it dies, and on the other hand you have Dev diaries and plans that make it look like they think the game will last for years longer. It seems to be contradictory and crazy, but its entirely possible different people working in different departments have different goals/opinions.
The thing that really disappointed me was the Dr T'ana sms a bit ago. It was just flat out deceptive, with the 2 different tokens being nearly identical, and how instead of your progress going towards said officer shards it went towards a dabo table pull with a chance of the officer.
💯 agree...what a terrible event
Straight bull shit
The community made the game what it is, Scopley is bound and determined to kill it
Good to see a video like this calling out Scopely. The game may not be dead but PvP and SLB competition is certainly dead from all the recent paywalled additions.
Don't worry some of the whales are loving it
Only competition is another whale and why fight an equal when you can wipe a krill
💯 agree Rev. Pay to skip the grind and progress faster is good gives options but pay to win is not. I came to this game as I was unable to progress in other game I played due to not buying the parts to upgrade to get stronger. STFC you could grind for any ship in the game and the ability to upgrade. Events help that. But now I have seen a few ppl leave the game this month as it’s not the same game it’s pay to win and totally removes ftp or casual from competing or even trying. The whales are rewarded and ftp casual is punished.
The game is in a sad state. I’ve played for 4 years and have pretty much stopped playing atm compared to how much time I was spending on it. It just feels like they have given up caring about your average player and they’re only concern now is to make as much money as they can before the game dies
I agree. The last contested TC showed me that Scopely is about pay to win. I couldn't beat some ships that were a third to half as strong as mine, but they had Freeman, forbidden tech, and whatever the heck ISO is. I don't feel like spending $99 a pop for every little FT, crew card, research node, etc. just so I can scrap my ship when G6 comes out.
Thanks Rev, this needed to be said. Scopley does not understand it's player base only it's whales. They may be getting new players but unless they are willing to spend money, they are not going to stay.
Exactly. Also, if the game gets lots of negative reviews, less people will start playing. I changed my review on Google Play Store after I quit the game, telling people about the broken PvP and how they changed many events to p2w.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this Rev. I've always been a light to sometimes medium spender and the last three months I've felt completely unvalued as a player. Legitimately felt like Scopely has just said we don't care about you or the quality of game you experience unless you spend thousands per month. I was considering putting the game down until the leaders of my alliance just up and quit leaving me with the reigns. They weren't happy people weren't spending more to progress. But so many of our 80+ players don't feel like they can progress or compete without spending tons of money. And we had 6 people just up and quit after Voyager ended and LD was previewed. I know they are getting new players but they are alienating a lot of us that have been here since the beginning.
Have been a fairly good spender in the past but this latest prime and FT saturation has turned me off completely. There's a difference between wanting to spend to accelerate progress and enjoying the game without as much grinding versus feeling like I'm being forced to spend just to keep up. When they generate over a $1000 worth of new sales per month, it's either go f2p and hope they cease this madness or eventually call it quits. Only time will tell.
I can remember we saw this happen the first week of global launch. Yes, I was invited by Scopely to be a tester because I played and spent on another of their games. They launched the Jelly the first week as basically a pay to get ship, and it broke the game.
Thanks for the great input and all you do Rev. This may push me out of the game finally. Im still getting my pilum regardless first but as ftp who loves crews, base defenses, and doing slbs on occasion, this is the final nail unless some miracle happens and they hard ftp it all and remove the base defense prime.
That's just ridiculous wait until they release the one that negates it for 1000
100% agree, Rev. As a spender, I've been so turned off by their primes and PVP nonsense that i didn't even know they released the "Prime Station Delay." It used to drive me crazy watching Rev open his store because of all the primes clogging up his store, etc. and now my store is just is clogged with unbought stuff. And then there's the Disco Prime, I had been predicting a Disco-A, so I'm surprised because a prime is a one-month spend and ships cost a lot more and span more time.
I was hoping they would do a Disco-A with the future refit it got in the show.
Knowing Scopley, they added the prime now, but will then launch disco-a a couple of months later, and the prime won’t work on the new ship.
Scopely really outdid themselves with disco primes,first 50$ gets you nowhere especially on maxed disco so just say 100$ for prime from start and when g6 comes out I bet it won’t reach g6 space and they can sell 2 more lvls!
Rev. You are the voice of the game and speak the truth. FTP and light spenders are the soul of the game. We log in to hang with our people. Scopely. Fix the bugs, lessen the grinds..be more generous with giving away stuff and player sentiment will improve. P.s if the five year anniversary stuff sucks, peeps will leave the game.
Agree Rev. I remember the OG Primes were based on 3* and 4* mats which you could F2P grind OR pay to hurry up and get it sooner.
This is the main reason I tend to ignore SLB 's because I, as a F2P player, just simply cannot compete with the whales in my brackets
PvP died when the Strike Teams were released. Leading up to that point, strategy was involved.
I really like this video. It is more so your passion around the circles we play in. Scopely are bleeding us, even me a spender is getting fed up. New crews plus FT making me rethink my spending to this company. They seem to have no plan, and its a desperate scramble.
Everything you outlined is why as a level 60, I quit a few months ago. I saw the trend and I didn’t like it. Not only has the pay 2 win strategy taken over, the quantity of spending items is absurd. And while I did go f2p for a while before quitting, the technical issues and stability pushed me over the edge.
Yeah, thanks for nailing this. I'm f2p by choice so can't vote with my wallet even more :D So I'm just limiting my activity during pvp events. Your Prime station delay won't work if I shield for 24 h during incursion :D
I'm out of hope that anything will change in STFC tbh.
I decided to go FTP for the time being. Don’t see me lasting 6 months. They are definitely pushing folks out, and there are some good other game options out there. Just started a new one…
Anything good? I’m looking to move on from STFC
@@tayporttony Star Wars galaxy of hero’s. More ptp but seems to have and ftp path that is fun and they do have smaller packs
@@jbrojammin I’ll give it a go. Is there decent alliance mechanics. I enjoy the blethering as much as the game in truth
@@tayporttony still figuring that out. I’m told yes but not high enough level yet for a big alliance to take me lol
Started leveling up to OPS43 before summer holidays, and have only been online to set a 7 day shield.When I returned thes week, OPS43 was finished without speed-ups. Can't say I've missed the game. But do miss the friends I made in-game.
Glad Discord isn't as frustrating as this game has become. And there still aren't enough hours in a day :)
How many months?
@@nutznchocolates56 3-4 months ago now. Build time was 143 days if I remember correctly
I've been playing for 4 years. Level 53 with a 90m Corvus. For the past two months, I've been popping 30 day shields and only been logging on once or twice a week just to see what's going on. I'm just about checked out of the game for many reasons. It's a losing fight, everyone just has their own limit before they move on.
I feel like they also added a delay to heal base to 7 seconds instead of 2 seconds after base attack is initiated. Now allowing the attacker to chain 2 attacks before defender can even heal.
i literally got spammed by 3 whale ships with basically managing to repair just a single defense platform
@derpizzadieb two incursions ago I used to be able to heal all my platforms by time the first 5 second attack cycle finished... last incursions it didn't allow me till they already had 2nd attack started. Yeah... really feels more like scoply added a delay over it being server lag.
Amen Rev. Keep up the pressure on scopely to keep pay to play at a minimum!
That's the plan!
Spot on critique, you're not alone in the sentiment, generally morale is sinking.
Great video, and you are right. There is nothing wrong with folks spending to progress, as long as there is a REASONABLE way for FTP to acquire it.
I really think they need to revamp PvP, it is so unbalanced. All you are left with are Kingmakers who dictate how everyone else should play because they have big wallets. I'm nearly done myself, can barely get myself to do my monthly event document anymore.
Absolutely!
It used to be that Event Stores could be a catch up mechanic for these pay to win mechanics, but notice how FT, Fleet Commanders, and new ship skins aren’t showing up any more.
I will say that I wasn't aware of either of those Prime researches you pointed out. That does obviously put lower level players at a disadvantage. It is understandable that the whales need to eat, but by making it so much easier for them to eat lower marine life, you run the risk of running said marine life out of the area completely. Yes, there can always be new life found, but when it is subjected to the same abuse, it to will leave at some point as well.
The fact that the majority of the bundles offered are always 99.99, makes it less likely that more people will spend much money in game. Smaller bundles are more often more easily justified than large ones.
Not fixing bugs in favor of pushing out new things for the more lavish spenders is another way of eating away at the player base. These things will erode players faith in the game and lead to players leaving.
I’m f2p. Used to be able to be in the top 10 on mining mondays. Not anymore after I think ops 42/43. Why? They pit little me against everyone higher. I can’t mine G5. Feeshas have capacity limits and get killed when it gets OPL. I had two then. I gave up. I understood why my alliance mates also quit mining madly for the higher levels. It’s hopeless.
Look forward to us less than krills to die off and regained our Real Lives (again too many dailies to do.. what quality of life improvements? Negated by the numerous new ships and their loops.) I’ve really lost track of what each specialty ship does what cos it’s old news by the time I really got them.
The first video I have watched since I quit a few months ago. Good to see ya Rev. I miss the community but this game just got to be too much time and money to be fun anymore. At first, I tried to offset the expenses by grinding more but it became obvious that things were going to just get worse and not better. It sounds like Scopley is continuing to push players away. I had dropped a few thousand into it before I left. It seems crazy looking back at it but I had some good times and met some good people. The guys like me who spent $400-$500 a month every month has got to hurt them in the long run. Several whales quit too after I left. Like you said when the food gets scarce.....
Thanks Rev for continuously voicing frustrations of many many players
I don’t know about y’all but scopely shattered my trust when they had Rev and DJz run a poll to see what we wanted in the event store….. then put all of that stuff in packs. Still fires me up to this day
Funny story. I started playing this game in spring of 2019. My phone broke a couple of months later and by the time I got a new one I didn't remember to reinstall until about a month and a half ago. The difference between then and now was jarring. No one wants to PVP. No one talks in global chat. An alliance war started but fizzled out after a day and a half as everyone realized it was pointless. I've played some obscure games and I've never been more sure a game was dead. So the fact that Scopely thinks it isn't is pretty funny to me.
I'm with you my friend. I'm going to purchase star Trek Infinite and if it satisfies my Star Trek itch, I'm leaving. My alliance had territory prior to this recent cash grab. Now we're getting slaughtered by the pay2 play alliances. It's just not any fun anymore.
If the game would stop crashing so often...
THIS! Constant crashes, freezes, and restarts doing the simple task of scrolling the events tab.
Thats a feature
Hmm wonder where all that $$ is going hmmm definitely not to development.
Likely all to execs instead of investing in their games
It wouldn't be STFC 😂
Yeah the zoom bug, the lag, the need for constant restarts, and the continually shifting (monetized) meta I just decided I'm never spending money on this game again. Not even the $20 battlepass. There's no point. If the game was stable/properly playable then yeah fine. But I don't believe on it's current arc of progress it's got more than 2-3years left in it and i'm not feeding money into something that'll vanish and leave with nothing.
I still think one of the better ways scopely could unlock Prime research and other paywalled items is through Away Team missions.Have the critical success of the mission work towards a prime research particle and when the research is unlocked that particular mission no longer populated.
They will never do that, it would give us ftp or light spenders some hope.
This path started earlier this summer. If it weren't for the community and cc's like you at that cat guy, I'd already be gone.
Keep.up the good work! Maybe one day the overlords will heed your warnings. Maybe.
Everything you said is 100% legit sir. This is the first month in two years I looked at the arc, the events and held off on spending, the real kicker was the dr and strike team sms. I will not put another dollar into this game until they remember they make more of 1000’s of battle passes then 5 whales 🐋 per server
I bought the whip just to make mining Monday SMS easy and so I don’t have to worry about the daily refinery which was causing me some issues. I also quite like the FT refinery Conc. Lat into FT materials plus the amount of materials in the pack made it worth while for me.
But I absolutely agree it should have a F2P path (6 shards a week) so 25 weeks from now most people would have it, and I’m happy paying effectively $2 a week for my early access, plus the mats etc.etc.
As for the Prime station delay nonsense, it’s a truly awful idea they say they’ve introduced it cause of Pon, so we’re expected to pay to correct a problem (I don’t really think it’s a problem the station should be able to take down big ships) they introduced. Just like the broken 4 star/5 star economy we have prime to fix that (oh as an after thought we’ll add a partial F2P route but that will be painfully slow). Honestly you do wonder how long it will be before there is a Prime lag reduction. We’ve lost a number of players from our server, not just F2P but players who spend significant sums of money Scopely you’re killing the game in this cash grab please listen.
How do I buy the whip ?
Hwy, Rev. Amazing video. I've been feeling this way about the game for months. Im glad you see it, too. As far as the three examples are concerned, I have mixed options. The whip, that they can keep. Mining Monday has pretty much been pay to play since the Fiesha was introduced anyways. The Discovery research should be retooled as a 10 step f2p that is level locked appropriately. Its a 2 part prine, so 1st boosts by 60 and 2nd by 350. For those that boyghr it, a woopsy chest compensate to the $100 or $200 they spent in value should be given and they should be grandfathered ibro the replacement, wherever that is based on their purchase, even if its beyond their level lock if possible. The base delay prime needs a full scrap all together with a comp chest for those who bought it. THAT is the one I see as a game killer.
I hear ya Rev, it's a community game, where progress is a long process without spending a dime, I purchased a few battle passes but it's getting ridiculous now.
Preach on REV! Spending should help progress not win. I gave up on mining Monday other than the SMS 4 years ago. ONCE I spent hours, set timers, stayed up late and placed 5th for mining Monday. Never again, the rewards are NOT worth the effort. I do the SMS and stop, unless I need a particular stuff.
$co-PAY as I call them needs to start fixing the lag, bugs and instability in the game. And the EASIEST thing they could do is communicate! BUT they can't or won't do it. As a former operations manager in a multi-billion dollar corporation, I find that DEPLORABLE!
I love Star Trek, but this crap has got to stop! BE BETTER STFC!!
It's absolutely pay to win now, and it's very depressing. In our server folks with the deep pockets are able to decide which alliance you can or can't be friends with, and go to war with you simply because they just don't like you - and the attacks are coming across as borderline bullying now, because their ships are so powerful there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it, except cede to their whims. Whales can just decide that they don't like you and commit to making your gameplay miserable in the hopes of making you either leave your alliance or quit the game - the folks that don't have the deep pockets need better protections.
Very well said, thank you! Like you, I'm frustrated too, and like you, my larger concern is making sure the game has a long and healthy life ahead. These things definitely give me reason to worry. Scopely seems to have allowed their ego to get too big; They think they can do whatever they want, and face no consequences. Businesses cost money to operate, so obviously Scopely needs to make money. But, as you said, these games also need a healthy player base. I don't have the answer, but I hope the game sticks around for many more years. Thanks for fighting for the players, Rev.
I said in the last arc that this game has gone full on BUY OR DIE. Not jsut buy to progress or be a bit better, but this is full on buy to be more than 1000% better. Big spenders have alreayd had a huge advantege, why does it need to be even more exponential?
You are spot on…I’ve actually decreased my spending drastically because of the ability to purchase a new META every few months.
Love the video and have felt this way for a long while as a light spender it is getting increasingly hard to keep up and stay in any form of relevant.. sure hope they change things soon and that way I don't lose friends quitting or do it myself ...
So true!
They’re literally asking us to pay for the band aids to fix the things they broke in this game, and it’s getting out of hand at this point
Similar to restaurants adding fees to cover their staff's medical plan (still expected to tip as well).
Glad to see you caught up to the situation, when I said this two years ago you told me that I was wrong.
I’m almost entirely a PvE player. How entirely? I’m lvl 39 and hit a total of 8 player ships. Eight TOTAL.
I do have PvP officers, but they are only for the possibility I’ll have to defend myself. There’s no good reason to have them though.
What’s a 6.5M Ent going to do against a 1B D’Derridex owned by a guy who doesn’t follow ROE?
What are you supposed to do against entire alliances of these types of people?
What do you do when the game company doesn’t care about parity but only cares about money?
Here’s what Scopely SHOULD do to save the rest of us: Take the all the alliances and divide them up into tiers.
Take the highest (what?) 50 alliances? Put them in their own server. Match up alliances based on power and put them with li,e alliances into their own server.
Scopely is basically the Ferengi group. They care little for long term stability. Everything they do is so transparent. They only innovate when they need money. It has nothing to do with what the players want. It has everything to do with how much money is in their coffers.
That’s why they’re doing “pay to win”. Player progress never was/ is a goal. It’s more of an “icing on the cake” thing to Scopely. To them, if it happens then cool. As long as those that pay, stay…..then who cares?
Thank you Rev! Agree with everything you have said!
I love the community of this game and want us to continue to thrive and grow together....like Star Trek!
Great job, Rev. I don’t mind spending $20/month; however, these prime node purchases are diluting the game and driving people away. Great video, Rev. one of the things I’ve watched is how the math on different bonuses like shield health, mining speed, etc continues to get watered down. That fact causes me to decrease my desire to purchase anything - yet alone continue to play the game. It’s going deeper into pay pay pay - quality of game and enjoyment is secondary. I don’t know the current number of players; however, given server merges, I suspect the numbers of players are going down. Hopefully Scopely asks why - before it’s too late.
I think they know why, hence the frantic rush to milk the whales
Agree with everything, certainly feel like my enjoyment level has dropped massively this year. Dipping my toes in Infinite and will need to see if it could replace a community strong mobile game.
Thank you and I hope they listen.
I'm ops 49, and I have been seeing the game head in the pay to win/play direction, and it's starting to make me play less cause now that they have done this, it's feeling more like a job to play the game and cause I have to put my hard earned money into the game to move forward. Back before you did things to move toward the scrap your ship to get free primes and and would help you our a ton, now 100 dollars doesn't even get you your pilum cloak. But that is why I have been playing more Cyberpunk 2077 and their new expansion. I understand a grind I've played WoW for a long time and understand how games make their money, but if something is out for more then 6 months there should be a free to play path for it PERIOD
The Discovery warp range extension was necessary - but it really should have been regular research. The station attack delay should not have ever even been considered, that is literally op.
I hope, with them using the Prime Valor Emblems for multiple researches, (and also the Dolamide particles...) that we will eventually get a free to play path to them, like the Prime Particles from the treasury building drip.
The pay to win is constant now. If you don't pay to get the new Iso officers you are screwed. Even if you pay to get them you are still screwed because hitting up is non-existent. I used to be able to hold my own against a chunk of higher levels or at least make it expensive for them but now even it's not even close. They have taken the art of crewing out and therefor the joy out of PvP.
Absolutely, 100% agree.
Honestly Rev, what the QI'yaH can the low-to-no spenders do about it? If Scopely is hitting or probably even exceeding revenue targets, how will general game play ever be a priority? For me, the game hasn't been fun for months, but I'm living in hope that things will change. But that can't last forever.
I feel like we are actually in the death loop of the game, it's just going to take a few years for it to take effect. There really needs to be leadership change within Scopely for positive "fantastic game play" change to happen. On the other hand, the thought going into ST:Infinite is profoundly different and profoundly positive (I just don't have the patience for grand strategy these days).
Again Rev you are spot on. Wait until players begin to leave or we have organized boycotts Scopley won't learn.
Thanks for your content Rev.
Rev, you're a real one. Much appreciated for all you do. I'm definitely a better gamer because of you.
All of this, thanks for putting it out there.
Rev, you are on it. I appreciate your message and perspective. I have played since 2019; I would have been VERY upset had I spent money on Forbidden Technologies.
Well said Rev, a lot of us feel the same way as you, but you know what the worse thing is, Scopely is actually making it easy to walk away, i never thought i would say that after all the money and time investment.
It’s $150 to increase your Discovery warp range. So not only are there primes, they are making them 2 levels. So now I need to spend an extra $50 to get the prime to its fullest.
Amen. They need to figure out that if they continue this way, they will kill the golden goose. If this wasn't a Star Trek game, if it was just some generic space game, it would have died out a long time ago.
Excellent video REV. Yes Scopely is a business but they are killing this game for GREED. As long as you have m.o.r.o.n.s who are spending money they don't have or their rent money on ridiculously priced $100 packs Scopely is going to keep gouging players. Easy fix, STOP SPENDING MONEY PEOPLE!
I totally agree. I am f2p, and I feel assaulted by all of the obvious money grabs and favors to high spending players. Clearly, Scopely is getting as much money as they can before it all collapses. I am so close to just quitting and walking away.
Rev, I’m with you on this one 100%! I’ve been trying to get ST La’An for months now. Only way I think I will ever get her is to pay. I only buy maybe one or two things a month. Rest is just grind and grind and grind and even that now is becoming untenable. There are things I’d like to get but I just won’t spend $100 on anything here. It’s crazy to think most of us can drop 100 here and a 100 there for something. I remember the first dock I bought was $20. Why is it now $100? If the game doesn’t change it will force me out and I don’t want that to happen. I enjoy it and my alliance mates. But something has to give somewhere…
I actually had quit the game for a few years because of the pay aspect. I did come back because it is a good game... but you MUST curve your desire to be an affective PVP player and just enjoy the daily grind and your alliance family... kinda. I will say that some 700 (if not more) key clicks a day...sucks.
I've been saying for the last several arcs, Scopely is making it more and more for paying customers ONLY!!! I mean look at the events, they don't even give that much shards for new officers anymore, let alone getting a new officer. The SMS turn into a heroic know F2P players don't have that much in terms of uncommon materials, basically telling us go buy a pack. Pretty soon the only event they would allow F2P to complete will be the battle pass and the complete new missions....unless they make us buy the new missions also. I'm tell you Scopely is run by Ferengis.
I totally agree. Why was I not surprised to see that the prime Discovery warp increase was only available through the pay store? Very disappointed. My dwindling spare change will remain in my pocket.
The frustration is real. Just recently had 3 long time alliance members call it quits due to the amount of grind and new pay to win mechanics
Thank you. As a F2P player I have been continually frustrated. I want to keep playing I want to progress... I wish I had money to burn on games but I don't... I will soon get to a point where I cannot compete and I will leave.
100% agree Rev. That prime station delay is awful for the game. It's getting out of control
It will completely ruin incursions; with no way to protect your base, unless you’re a whale you just have to shield and hide. Where’s the fun in that
I'm not surprised by any of this. I have had a lot of experiences when a company gets taken over by a bean counter. They look to make as much fast money as they can using economic ideas that have been proven to be wrong, or just bad. They don't care as they are in it for what ever money they can. As soon as the money starts to dry up. they will try to sell the game off, or just shut the hole thing down.
I haven't spent any money on this game in over a year, and I'm at the point that I go on the game to engage with my alliance members only. I'm thinking of walking a way from the game play, as it's not worth the time with all the bullies that $copely just keeps empowering.
I am about ready to be done with this game, no Voyager, no pickle, no officers from last month or this month. I barely have the motivation to even log in and do the events (when I can get the game to run for more than 10 minutes at a time). I think the game has become "how much can you spend in a month?" Makes me feel IDGAF anymore. Let's not mention the new territory stuff. We have three alliances with multiple side alliances that have taken all but a few of the areas now. As a single alliance you can't challenge ones that can bring 400 people (not ships, accounts) to fight for one territory.
Exactly and with that many parties involved the game is unplayable.
1000% percent agree with everything you said in your video rev as i've started to see the die off of the krill am even some whales on my sever already because of the stupid changed they have been making the last few months to the point where fun in this game is becoming a rarity any more
Plus they need to limit people that can be in tc to just those that are in the alliances that are involved in the actual tc takeover as well they need to make it so once you get a tc you have to wait 48 to 72 hrs before you can drop it
Don’t hold back! Support 100% of what you said.
Agreed on Prime Station Delay. Paying so you can punch down is redic. And of course we have 60s on our server who are basically rogues, so this just makes them worse. I suppose one wealthy bully offsets a lot of low spend people that they make quit, but doesnt seem good for long term game health to me.
You hit the nail on the head Rev
I totally agree rev. Don't forget that you now have 2 battle Passes to pay for so now you have twice the monthly spending. I'm not, but others are, this driving a bigger wedge between me and the game and I don't want to stop, but I will, eventually.
Well said Rev, subscribed once again.
I’m honestly tired of it all myself. I’m a player who can spend very little. I haven’t even bought battlepasses in years. The game is becoming harder and harder for me to play and be any kind of competitive. The time required went down for like the first month they introduced Freebooters but then it turned around and went right back to normal. It just isn’t as fun anymore, if it literally wasn’t for the people I play with over on S33 I’d have quit by now.
We keep asking them to listen and they don’t. They said they were going to increase player communication and they even hired another person and communication overall has gone down as they instead put out fancy little videos instead….i just don’t even know what to say anymore.
One of your best videos and possibly the most relevant. The points you make in this video really resonate with me and I'm at the point now where I'm contemplating leaving
Felt. I'm not gonna leave, but I'll def change my spending and playstyle.
Exactly what I've been saying. I spent a ton of money the first year and then quite a bit 2nd and then cut down and now I can't get anywhere
There are so many players in my alliance that feel like quiting because they can't keep up with how the game has been lately. It's not fair for the free to play or moderate spenders to feel left out because other players are willing to spend ridiculous amounts of cash on pixels. Like you, they stick around for the friendships they have developed, but do not intend to make Scopely anymore money. I personally have not spent anything since this Lower Deck part 2 started. Hope things get better soon!
Gonna sound overly simplified, but just quit spending. Don't pickup the Battle Passes and avoid the sucker traps. I quit spending May 2022 and in the last 17 months I only bought the Sept 2023 Battle Pass because it had the full unlock of Carol Freeman. I have found myself less frustrated than I ever have in the game.
everything you said in the video was no news in general. not when it comes to content, pay2x and the physolophy of makin as much money as possible.
but even going into details, you're basically right. the new content gets recycled and renewed so fast that its almost impossible for a free to player player to get their hands on it. and with the addition of all those premium currencies that you can only get from the shop (first prime research nodes could have been done for free to play players by scrapping ships etc.), the community is split even further. and it will be the same with the 6 star economy as well. power creep will probably be so huge that all 5 star investments go to waste once you get a 6 star uncommon ship.
but only time will tell if anything is going to change
And in the middle of the summer I ask rev if they were going to reward players for spending money in game and he thought no they weren't and yet here we are
I bounced for good about 6 months ago. I still check back in every now and then to confirm I made the right decision.
We can gripe and complain all that we want about how bad the game is, but as long as the engagement number and the money keep flowing Scopely does not really have any incentive to invest in solutions to benefit the playerbase at large.
They know that they can release subpar content and people will spend heavily on it. Then they can sell the fixes for that content and people will spend once again. Finally, sometimes as early as a month later (looking at your multi-tiered efficiency primes) they can sell new stuff that invalidates the previous stuff and people will spend even more than before.
Rev not holding back... and been feeling much the same of late
The "whales need krill" analogy is fairly spot on... I know these games need spenders and money to survive, but without giving something to keep the no/low/mid level spenders around (or the krill/dolphins if you like) theres nothing to keep the whales interested and active... saw it happen back when was playing SWGoH, so P2W focussed, meta changing every few months, that no point unless you spent the big bucks
Whats doubly annoying is they are so full on grabbing as much cash as they can, but still can't even get basics right. Yeah ok with a game this complicated the odd bug and issue is going to happen, but something as simple as the right/wrong officers in the ticketed events payout? That's just pure poor quality control, basic cock ups like that shouldnt be happening in any game let alone one at this level... but mistakes like that seem to be becoming the norm rather than the exception
Still not likely to be walking away totally anytime soon, but def questioning the time/effort/money spend and whether is even worth it... Never spent big but used to at least buy the BP each month, but now questioning whether the benefit/value is even in that anymore and for the first time in 12/18 months not likely to get it
And with that rant over and vacating my own soapbox 🤣
Especially when I look at the price of the BP and for just the cost of a Beer or two on top (or cider in my case🍺 lol) I can go get ST Infinite and know have probably got at least 4-6 months before I'll need to pay up for more/dlc/whatever...
100% Agreed. Glad you were able to be that calm. I would have more angry. 🙂
I agree with you Rev, I have cut back on the spending and I am about to stop spending altogether just because the game is going down the same path I have seen in other mobile games ( those are one I quit by the way)
100% with ya rev, I'm about fed up after 4 years of this and many,many people on server 56 is talking about leaving game in groups and switch to a more friendly $$$ wise game instead, and we've spent thousands each just to be Krill over time , just to be worse then Krill now days.😢
Trouble is, all multiplayer games will become just as bad over time. Similar trajectory as Twitter, UA-cam, etc.