Sail Life - Gelplane vs Marine Shaver Pro - which is best? DIY sailboat refit
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2018
- This weekend I get to play with a Gelplane and a Marine Shaver Pro. Come join me aboard my 38 ft project sailboat. I'm in the middle of a somewhat extensive refit. Check it out here: bit.ly/2rVSuu4
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Marine shaver. Not for facial use.
No... that would be .... a very close shave
Yeah, no kidding. Unless you're Superman.
Vikings use it to shave their balls :-)
instagram.com/madsdahlke/ :)
Morten Kristiansen I reckon it would be pretty bad for the cutting edges to try close-shave Viking balls of steel ... those are Swabian machines only, after all.
I like how you say you're in middle of a 'somewhat extensive refit'
He means he's rebuilding the entire boat folks.
nuget102 Yes..he's more a marine renovator than a sailor. His channel name of Sail Life is somewhat misleading. Don't get me wrong, he's very informative, but actually sailing is a pinprick of light at the end of a very long tunnel.😐
It's funny how some people are so focused on me not going sailing in the videos. Perhaps I should open each video with "Hi guys. If you expect to see sailing then come back in 2 years" ;) Like I've mentioned over and over again for me fixing up an old boat is (and has always been) a part of the dream.
I don't think nuget102 was being negative, I think he's just pointing the lol related 'somewhat extensive refit..." lol
You make my sunday night! Thanks from Switzerland.
What an enjoyable intorduction to gel-stripping. Cannot wait to view some of your other videos. Thanks!
I love your channel 👍
In this tempo we are glad to see an other two years of diy videos. Keep up the good work. 👍
I enjoy the details you provide, always a learning experience for me. Thank you.
Happy to be one of the 3% of woman loving your videos
"If I buy another boat that needs to have gelcoat, barrier coat, or laminate removed..."
Don't. You. Dare. I want to see Mads set sail! :)
Haha, I promise I won't buy a new boat until Athena has crossed at least one ocean ;) I plan on keeping Athena for many many years otherwise I wouldn't be putting in so much effort :)
Treat it like buying a house... You can have your summer and your winter boat? Or your home boat and your vacation boat?
I love new tools! The Gelplane is amazing, I didn't even know it existed, thank you Mads. I hope you are feeling better. Thank you for another fantastic video :)
I look forward to your videos with anticipation.
The GelShaver is sick!! Can’t wait for next week’s glorious sanding marathon!! Always makes my Sunday a great day. 👍😀😜
Great video, I had a lot of questions about what to use, not anymore. Thanks.
Good informative video. Thanks. The plane looks fast and sort of easy but not as easy as watching someone else do it.
I really enjoy watching your videos. thank you very much for making the time and doing them for us. From the USA
Mads, your channel is really inspiring. I took a sailing class with my daughter to get her into this type of activity. She didn't take to it, but it still inspired me to buy my own boat. I'll finally be on the water this year!
I wait every Sunday for your videos, and now my parents (independently) do the same . Keep up the good work !
Do take care! Wishing you a speedy recovery.
Another GREAT video. I am becoming a sailboat repair expert watching you. That GelPlane is bada$$. You my friend are not afraid of doing what needs to be done !!! Keep up the great work. I hope you feel better soon.
Always enjoy you videos!
Thanks mads enjoyed as always, cool tools never seen before and hope i dont have to use them
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
The Gel Plane is beast, I wish I had one when I did my osmosis job. I too went with a belt sander, but I only have a 22 ft hull which was also inverted. I did use a 8.9 oz layer of new glass cloth on the bottom with epoxy. I didn't actually remove any old laminate, just old paint and the gelcoat but it is surprising how thick all that is. The new glass layer effectively replaces the lost thickness of gelcoat and is the 'real' barrier coat since it is all epoxy. I still used Interlux Interprotect 2000E as a barrier coat, but I didn't have to worry too much about film thickness total and in a sense it was mostly acting as the primer for the anti-foul paint which was hot-coated over the last coat of Interprotect.
Great vid. Thanks.
That looks really satisfying to do
Wow, The gelplane really gets the job done. Also I'm looking for a good dictionary of Danish swear words for this summer when you release the videos about removal of the foam filler in the bilges. Thanks again for a great video.
You’re the best Mads 👍🏽
Thank you so much :)
Take care my friend. Rest heal and take advantage of National Health Care. I’m with you in spirit! Thanks for posting.....superior effort considering everything.
Hope you feel better soon!
Mads that was truly excellent. The gel planer, in your hands, did an excellent job. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it would have been perfect to use much earlier at the antifoul removal stage - and it may have improved the dry out too - oh well how much would we pay exactly for hindsight.😀
You are doing a fantastic job of getting this boat right for you and producing great videos in the process. Thank you 🙏
Wow wow wow. Big Big beautiful boat. The drone shot really shows the size of it compared to the other boats in the marina. Congrats. Will love to hear what you have to say about the good and bad parts of buying.
"Somewhat extensive refit" 1:55 Somewhat the understatement of the century me thinks ! 🙌🙌 Another very informative vlog. Thanks Mads. PS when you do finish it would be nice to know cost spent, time in man hours etc and finally when she is finished, you should invite us all along for the wetting! I want to see her, bilges and all LOL 🤣!
I've never found a place in the States to rent one, so you're lucky. I had to pay a guy to Gelplane the bottom on my second boat (30'). Took off bottom paint, a "sort of" barrier coat, gel coat and a thin layer of chop strand in one swoop. He worked about 7 hours, but it was smooth, with barely any ridges. I think it's a practice thing. I applaud your attempt. Keep up the good work, take care of your "flu".
If you had a correct dimensioned shop vac for the gel planer, you would probably have a lot less falling on the ground. Considering the extremely much larger diameter it expects, it makes sense.
Very informative Mad's A few years ago we saw a guy in out boat yard using a Hitachi wood planer stripping back. It appeared to work fine in the areas with less detail. Ant & Cid x
I liked the teaser about the upcoming video
Good luck with Ava. You think she brings out the best in you. Do you bring out the best in her? If that happens you got magic!
Nice review of tools I did not know existed.
Hope you feel better real soon.
I can see how the Makita Gelplane would be preferred for contours over the MarineShaver. The business end of the shaver is reminiscent of a milling head, which is ideal for flat surfaces....only there are very few truly flat surfaces on a sail boat. It was great to see these devices in use side by side. Spiffy job.
Absolutely fabulous to get such an on-camera test of the Gelplane and marine shaver. I was extremely impressed at just how fast and easy the Gelplane was. I wonder why the minimum rental period of these two tools is so different? It seems strange that the tool that is faster to use has a minimum of 4 days rental period. After 4 days you could probably shred your entire hull into a huge mountain of fiberglass fluff.
I got absolutely lost in the long weekend and thought today is sunday. But wait, why is there a new Sail Life video? Oh yes, it must be holiday monday. What a super nice surprise! :-)
Very interesting comparison of these two machines. Probably I never get to use one of these but the result of the GelPlane is stunning!
Interesting tools. I didn't even know they existed. Glad you could rent um and not buy um. Surely meant for professional use.
Feel better. Adios desde Barcelona!
Hey Tony :) I hope you're enjoying Barcelona :) Thanks, I'm sure I'll survive ;)
outstanding as always....
Thank you so much :)
Hi Mads.... 2 things that always impress me about you...1st... The effort you make to answer peoples comments or questions2ndly How you always manage to be doing things that are of direct interest to either what I am doing, have just done or wish to do..I have been watching from the beginning and I love your channel. Out of all the channels I watch you never get boring and I have never tired of watching this weeks instalment.
Very impressive Mads, the gel planer is amazing . I've seen many boats shaved by pros and always thought it was too much for an amateur . So glad you showed how it's not and glad I am too old to do it any more! By the way keep that fresh laminate out of the sun UV will degrade it and make it change color effecting you opinion of what you see! Cheers Warren .
I was surprised to see how easy and fast it was to do too :) I should have Athena inside of a shed in a couple of weeks :)
After having started to follow Yoküll and his human in the low hundreds (...of followers) I'd honestly deny Mads that "amateur" status in terms of craftsmanship.
Only difference to a pro might seemingly be the overall speed of accomplishments, while I reckon there still is a fulltime dayjob, a dog to care for as well as a long distance doobrey to pull off in some way, together with an ever entertaining top notch one man video production going strong, which makes, summed up, for a remarkable speed and consistency all in all.
By the way, thank's for sharing, Mads!
Was about to go out and work on my project truck... NM Sail Life is up ill go out later lol
I used a cheap, extremely ordinary electric handheld wood planer to shave the outer layer my (GRP) hull back in the days. Worked like a feat, except that I burned through a set of brushes for the motor.
That gel shaver was amazing, I wish I had that when I was sanding the hull of our old boat decades ago. My father gave me one of those Makitas that fits in your palm and just stuck me under there with it. No masks or respirators either.
How're your lungs, Richard?
Gary Souza he died shortly after typing that post.😳
RIP, Richard...........LOL
Nah, I'm still alive. Not sure about my lungs, unfortunately you don't tend to find that stuff out until you're older and start coughing up blood.
I had looked at the Gelplane a year ago when looking at a catamaran that would need hulls planned. It was very expensive and as an alternative I investigated the Metabo Paint Peeler. Can be purchased at around $300 US at constructiontoolwarehouse website and would need some modifications but certainly worth a look for DIYers. I did not end up buying catamaran as it was destroyed on the hard in St Maarten by IRMA.
I have no idea how Cro-magnon Man evolved without duct tape. Really enjoy your videos and you have a new subscriber.
Mads ! save what the gelplane removed ! you can add it to epoxy in the future to thicken ! that way you save a little cash !
If in any way possible, I would recommend to lay on the new laminated surface to at least the unsufficiently wetted/bubbly brighter parts with vacuum. We had best (re-)saturation results with looong hardeners, not too much temperature and a sharply evacuated area. We didn't use a Gelplane to open the surface, though, but usually blasted with differing media to completely open the blisters and otherwise just to remove painted layers and Gelcoat.
Hope your feeling better soon
Thank you :)
I remember years ago we used to use a power plane that we modified for gel coat removal...........Considering what they sell for now i wish i had patented it lol.But if you're resourceful you can in fact make your own.
For a deep sump in the bilge, build a little teak "rack" that can be raised and lowered manually. At the bottom of the rack attach a small (~500 gal/hr) automatic bilge pump, and starting a foot or so above that (an area that should always stay dry, barring anything catastrophic) the rack can hold your favorite adult beverages. In other words --- wine cellar (aka, storage for flu "medication").
I'd be curious what the moisture meter would say in the spots you've planed...
Just got caught up on all the videos! I am absolutely loving the channel. I am waiting for the ultimate boat DIY satisfaction of the tasks moving across the kanban board, but maybe that is too private for public viewing ;-)
Yep the yelplaner is the tool ! 😉
It sure is :)
Hi great info, on the bottom machine planers. Do you think that it would be practical to use the tools to seriously remove bottom paint
Gel plane is ace, no competition and seeing the cutting systems it seems pretty clear it was going to be best. As you say if only you had used this way back. Good work as usual and get over that drip us man flu.
Get well Mads. Thnks for sharing! 😊⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Hey Mads, get well soon :D how do you take the spread on the ground..? run around with your vacuum? I suppose it's a tad tricky on loose stones to use a broom...
Hope you feel better soon. Have you reached the point that we can call your boat the Ship of Thesues? Really enjoy your content.
100% - great observation :D
I'm suggesting you use more than one layer of fiberglass cloth to resurface your hull. And that the final layer be a light weight per square yard/meter tightly woven example. You'll have less print-through for the gel-coat --a smoother coat requiring less final finishing. Like 3oz. E.
3 oz wouldn't really add much strength to the hull. Even surfboards use heavier cloth.
Right you are Gary. The final 3oz is designed for less print through of heavier fabric structure through the gelcoat. You get an easier time producing a quality smooth gelcoat finish. It isn't designed primarily for strength. But in fact more layers of lighter cloth to produce the same thickness will be stronger than fewer layers of thicker cloth with less resin.
Have you thought about doing a fibre glass course or some training with a boatyard.
Great video as always Mads, love all the great tips for getting different jobs done. Love the gelplane, hubby wants one now 👍
Get well, my Viking friend!
The gel planner looks like ( seeing the blade) a standard hand held planner. If so it mine would do the same job and cost almost nothing, except it doesn’t have to words gel coat on it. With it, I can take off very thin pieces of wood and I would bet gel coat. Thoughts?
Thanks for yet another great Sunday video !why don't you do another project simultaneously with your scheduled ones ie. You should start on the rudder and do it over a few videos with small updates during or at the end of each regular video screenings this way you get things ticked off faster
Yea, Mads....do that with all your free time....(sarcasm)
Two weeks without opening the packages, such self-control! 8-)
We will be going through exactly the same work as you later on in the year, once we've moved our Trident Warrior to a slightly warmer climate this spring.
After watching all of your videos covering your osmosis work (good job by the way, very inspiring stuff!) would you say that in hindsight, you would of been better off to have started off with the gelplaner, got all the gel goat etc off down to the level you wanted, and then applied your heat mat system after that?
Appreciate the feedback and we are avid followers of your channel.
Keep up the great content, Mads.
Liking the gel plane. I’m wondering, would a standard electric wood plane do a VERY similar job?... a hell of a lot cheaper....
nice review :D
Salamtek. Get well soon.
Get well soon.
Mads for the surface you planed wasn’t it cheaper and most likely sufficiant enough to use mister angelgrinder with a dust catching like u used earlier?
It would be cheaper but it would be slower and it wouldn't give me as flat of a surface. Having a uniform depth of cut will make it a lot easier for me to lay up the new laminate :)
What you are seeing is the outer layer of fiberglass mat that is used to prevent "print through of the underlying fabric to the gel coat. It is non structural. The underlying fabric is structural. If it is white or whitish it means that some of the polyester resin has been leached out of the layup. This causes a marked decrease in strength of that layer of layup. Depending on hoe long you plan on keeping the boat and how hard you intend on using it - high winds and large waves- replacing or covering the area in the water and some what above the waterline would make the boat much stronger. You have had experience with biaxial cloth and epoxy will make the maintenance in the future much easier. Day sailing in sheltered waters would make reinforcement unnecessary
In any case the boat shows water damage to the below water line hull structure. The best and really only material below the waterline is epoxy. It is very resistant to water. If you are not going to add back epoxy/glass below the waterline, a good epoxy barrier primer under the antifouling would be appropriate. Sailing Uma covered their boat below the waterline with a epoxy/copper mixture as both barrier and antifouling. Contacting them to see what their long term experience has been would be helpful in making a decision on the choice of direction you decide to go. Looking at older boats that have been restored opened my eyes to the industry of boat manufacturing not knowing about the materials they were using. Agreed that the industry was in the early stages of converting from traditional to plastic and some of the knowledge of the newfangled plastic was not well understood. In any case what you do is your decision. I am only passing on some of my experience to increase your knowledge base.
csmale@bak.rr.com
Question the name Athena was that her name when you bought her or did you name her. Love it
Hello MADS: Great videos but a little short but good. You may want to be thinking of using Kevlar Mat to use of the Bottom of your Sailboat. FIBRE Glast Development Corp may give you a break on price. Also may be thinking on how to turn your Sailboat upsize down. Could be better to do the bottom of the boat before all the weight you going to add . just a thought for you. Kevlar will be stronger for you Sailboat. GOOD LUCK GREG
Mads--while you still have use of the tools--you should think about taking the fiberglass at least up the the current water line and maybe a few centimeters above it to make sure your taking out the old bad laminate
The laminate near the waterline looks perfectly okay :)
Love that GelPlane. Could've used it when I did my barrier coat. QQ: When are you going to clean up your companionway crib boards? Eew, crusty!!!
Haha, sorry but that is in no way a priority right now ;)
Mads...after the past month, I think it is high time for me to leave my current life and live on my Wellcraft. Even with all the issues she has...I think the maintenance is FAR FAR FAR less than I'm currently paying.
I;'m not clear about this sudden hull reclamation, did you have to dry the hull first as you have now gone down a layer?
Also, what about the waterline and the hull above same, how do you make it contiguous??
Do you think it would be ok to use the gel plane to remove the barrier coat
For sure yes :)
Get well soon
Thank you :)
Best thing to do if you need to rent an expensive tool for a long period of time is to purchase it and then sell it once you are completed. Many times you will end up paying very little for the use of the tool compared to renting.
ecleveland1 depends where your from honestly, in Denmark for example you would struggle to sell it again as there are few people who’s actually interested in owning it.
where in norway are you guys going
I light of how fast the gel plain is to use i would be inclined to shave the entire boat
Fun DYI Weekend :-) (Still not first)
Mads, that is the problem. When to continue removing the laminate? (I posted pictures on your FB post) We kept cutting until the good laminate was exposed. At the back of the hull it got thin enough to push in by hand. There are a few different opinions about this and I still dont know which is correct..... I used vinylester resin for the laminate. I would probably use epoxy now, but never polyester.
I feel your pain :) There are so many experts out there and there is no way to know who to trust. From what I've heard either vinyl ester or epoxy would be ok :)
We did my boat 18 years ago and it has been perfect since!
I know your bottom will be great, smooth, fast, and spiffy!
did you try the gelplane on flat?
after working in the hull, did you do a moisture test
I didn't try the gelplane on a flat surface but the way it's designed it'll be good on both flat and curved surfaces :)
I haven't measured the moisture content since last fall. I fully expect it to have stabilized :)
Can anyone comment on someone suggesting cement is a good product to fill a deep bilge with? Glassing overtop once cured? Bad idea or workable?
Does anyone know if the Makita GelPlaner is available in the US ?
Boat stuff and nun boat stuff. Whatever floats your boat Mads. I got shown a great advert for bikinis before your video started so I did my duty as a loyal family friendly subscriber and watched it until the end. I don't think they were nuns, but these days...
Always like to learn about new tools. Question: Can you use the shavings from this project as thickener for your epoxy? Might save a little money and recycle some waste product. Hi Ava your man needs some chicken soup.
I like the idea but the shavings are quite corse :) I think it would make for a pretty lumpy consistency. Also, I still have a lot left of the 10 lb of 406 I purchased last year. I might never run out of 406 again ;)
I wouldn't use shavings of polyester laminate to reenforce epoxy.
Plus: usually You remove it with a cause - why reintegrate it then?
Tom Barker I
i would agree with Manfred on this one....my experience with epoxy and fiberglass is admittedly rather limited, but if you're removing the old because of some sort of problem (poor wetting, osmosis. whatever... ) you don't want to reintroduce that back in by using it as a filler.... The hull of a boat is like the foundation in a house...if you have trouble with it, it will cause all sorts of trouble in other ways....get it fixed right, and you'll have fewer problems in general... :) (hope you cold gets better!!)
I apperciate the tool review....seems like the Gelplane is a LOT more intuitive. and has an easier operation. The difference in speed of use seems to compensate for the heavier tool....if you're not holding it as long, you're better off in the end..
looking forward to seeing what you do with the new bilge..... Did you ever find out how extensive the moisture in the subfloor supports had gotten?? (the one you discovered while dealing with the old water tank....)
Hi. What is the modle number of the Gel Planer.
Sorry I can check tomorrow :)
Any news on the rudder mads ? @Sail Life
The plan is still to make a mold and build a brand new rudder that I can fit before starting to cruise for real. I'll make the mold as soon as I'm in the shed :)
Sail Life brilliant good luck with the man flu and I’m really enjoying your videos.
How did you remove the gelcoat?
I would think that the Marine shaver would be cutting what amounts to facets across the curved surfaces of your hull hence the high spot in between passes .
Hei. Jeg har en GUY 27 seilbåt jeg gikk over skroget på i fjor sommer. Den var støpt i to halvdeler som var limt sammen. Disse delene var solid og hadde mettet laminat. Utenpå var det lagt på noen lag med laminat som lignet det du hadde bak på båten, (dårlig mettet). I dette laget var det også mange små blemmer med osmose. Jeg brukte en vanlig elektrisk høvel til og fjerne gelcoat og blemmene. Brukte epoxy rett på det dårlige laminatet og den trengte inn i glassfibrene. Det gjenstår se hvor god og varig løsning dette ble. :)
97% male.That is amazing.I cannot get any female viewers other than my wife to watch my channel.Cant imagine why.Well done Mads
Thanks :) At some point in my life I'd love the chance to build a boat from scratch. Awesome videos! :)