Serious question: How do you find a good pair of shorts? We're all different so what's good for a friend might not be good for me. Plus they won't let you try them on in the shop (for hygiene reasons) and even if you could, trying them in the shop doesn't mean that they'll be comfortable on the bike on a long ride. And if you buy them, you won't know if you don't get on with them until you've done a good few miles in them. If I spent a couple of hundred quid on shorts and they were great then I'd be a happy bunny. But if I paid a couple of hundred quid and the shorts ended up laughing at me from the bottom of the drawer, then I'd feel ripped off. I think this dilemma is the reason that I'm still wearing shorts that should have gone in the bin a long time ago.
Great video Katie. Durability is one aspect of expensive kit. But the point you make about comfort and enjoyment you get from quality kit is the most important aspect. My advice to new cyclist is to be patient in buying kit. Keep an eye out for sales. Quite often you can get really nice kit for reasonable prices.
One thing I found that helps kit last longer is using those Zip up washing bags I think it stops them getting all twisted up in the washer, and you can wash stuff with Velcro at the same time (in a separate bag) without the worry of it damaging your Lycra. Bloody useful for keeping kit in order too, small stuff gets its own bag, so you don't end up hunting for a lost sock or glove inside the large stuff. All my matching kits have there own set of bags and once they have been washed and dried they go back in them, so I just have to grab the bag of the kit I want and know its all there.
I 100% agree 👍. A mesh bag with a zipper, which a set of 6, can be purchased online very cheaply ($10) does wonders to protect quality cycling gear in the wash.
@@luciouspontorro3741 Those bags and my "still wont die" 6 year old Aldi work stand are some of the best cycling related purchases I've ever made LOL. Also forgot to add so might as well do it here: You can throw normal clothes in there too so you save on the energy bill by not having to just wash your kit. Especially good in summer months when sweaty kit has to go in the wash immediately so it doesn't start to stink the house up.👃🤮🤢
Are you talking about the mesh bags, or fullon guppy bags designed to stop micro plastics being washed down the drain? Really curious about those and how wellthings wash in them.
@@thebrowns5337 I'd never heard of Guppy bags until now TBH. The ones I use look very similar to those the "mesh" is very close weave/knit and they are zipped (I have used drawstring type in the past with no issues). Never had any issue with the detergent not getting to the clothes but those could be a tighter weave. You could always put gel wash tablets in the bag with the clothes, maybe?
@The Browns I just bought some mesh laundry bags, they're more like flat rectangle satchels with zippers, off amazon for like $12, and they have worked great this far.
My biggest disappointment were expensive bibs from ASSOS. Discolouration at the front, seam fell apart multiple time in the seating area (until mending wasn't worth it anymore). My much cheaper DHB bibs seem to hold forever. Also good experience with Endura shorts. My favourite in terms of quality and fit are the Castelli jackets and ROS jerseys.
Two things to keep in mind: If your current kit(s) work, most brands have sales around the end of year/new year (Blacksheep is the exception), so you can afford better kit 😊 Second thing is the importance of washing your kit properly. I have done pretty well with longevity by washing them in a laundry bag; cold wash and drying on the line. P.S. Sealant stains bib shorts 😞
I’ve never tried Rapha, but have tried a few other brands. I tried Assos a couple of times over the years, but found them a bit hit & miss, especially being 6’4”. Not consistent in terms of comfort or quality, and not really long enough. Castelli have been good on the other hand, but not had any for a while. My favourite budget(ish) shorts are Ale, really comfy on long outdoor rides, not so good indoors after an hour or so. My absolute favourites though are the LeCol pro range. Best I’ve ever had for comfort, quality and durability. Consistent in both quality and sizing, absolutely love ‘em. Be good to get your review of these. Pricey, but often have offers on.
I'm about to say 'adieu' to a par of Cafe du Cycliste bib shorts that are about the same age. I like the look of their gear but I think Rapha has it on material quality/durability. Having said that, the dyes in Rapha shirts, merino and lycra can't handle the NZ sun and fade/discolour very quickly... like, one summer and navy/black or even pink are cosmetically toast.
Interesting, I’ve had the same shorts (in blue) for roughly that long. I prefer that chamois to their later ones as well. Mine have worn the same (stitching coming away on the edge but chamois still good). The only thing I don’t like about them is the narrow leg gripper (sausage leg). I always wash mine in a laundry bag. Really enjoy your videos 👍 Oh and fave bibs are Pearl Izumi (Pro for road, Expedition for gravel) partly for look and comfort but also they are easiest for loo stops with their drop tail, would love to know if you know of a more convenient brand (not Assos, that front clip is stupid).
Thanks Katie: This is a sore subject (see what I did there?). Started out using cheap shorts both outdoors and indoors (Zwift) and soon discovered that not all chamois and shorts are created equal. Joined a team (Team TFC IRL and Zwift) that has a relationship with Primal....big improvement. Completed a few Strava challenges and got Le Col discounts --- night and day....Better construction means less pain in long outdoor and (especially) indoor sessions. Mostly wear bibs for all rides, but I think shorts for indoor sessions make sense. Better construction means repeated washings won't disintegrate chamois or open stitching (poor Bike Nashbar). Been my experience that bottoms mean a lot more than tops. Jerseys just need to fit and look cool...bibs and shorts are like shoes, they have to REALLY fit and not create hot spots. Thus for me, I can get away with cheaper jerseys but try to up my game when it comes to bibs and shorts. Recently tried an inexpensive alternative from NeoPro (out of Australia)....did a couple of 4+ hour rides using Le Col and NeoPro bibs and found the only difference is that the NeoPro are like 1/3 the price. Just a matter of seeing how this lower cost alternative holds up over time. As a larger rider the shoulder straps are also a consideration -- Le Col have had some breakdowns in the 2+ years I've owned their Sport bibs...they cheerfully replaced one that had a tear in the webbing of a strap. Thanks for the content. Have fun climbing.
I have this version of the shorts and although they are falling apart they are still the most comfortable cycling short I own. I also have the newer model, which are the most uncomfortable cycling shorts I have ever owned. The new chamois causes horrendous chafing under my bum cheeks. I contacted Rapha about this a few months ago to see if they had any plans to bring back the smaller cut for woman chamois and there are no plans to. I’m on the hunt for an alternative if anyone has any recommendations?
I started with a couple of cheap one and ONE expensive (to have a couple for training on different days and one for the longer ride), but I always budget to buy an expensive one every year. So I gradually build a good set of good bibs.
Thats pretty impressive Katie..My favorites are My pro leCol bibs,so comfy.also have Lecol sport bibs and a pair of primal For zwift i tend to use cheaper to medium priced bibs for 1 to 2 hrs rides Anything longer i use the more expensive ones as we all know how much the padding is needed on long Zwift rides ;)
The transparency test is the first one I check, once that fails, they are still ok for the indoor trainer ( since you are alone) as long as the chamois is still ok.
Thank you for this. I do wonder what we get for our money. I am pathologically frugal, and it doesn’t serve me. I’ve bought some Perl Izumi kit which I suppose is middle range, and I’ve been happy with it. Rapha’s prices seem insane, but maybe they’re not.
Okay, that was one of the funniest episodes! Checking to see if you can see through your shorts. I can laugh because I did the same thing to my sister, but her answer was YES! LOL! I do agree that if you can afford to get the nice ones, you should get them, they do make a difference. I have had the inexpensive and they only last one season. Terry Bicycles in the U.S. - Vermont have great women's cycling clothing!
Best bib shorts for me were the assos at £130.I think they're lastest me for about 18 months.I was going to get another set but wasn't willing to fork out £230!!! A few audax members suggested red white apperal which was also great price at £100 but they lasted me for about a year.Im now a huge Darevie fan (AliExpress) and at £30 for a pair I am sold and stuck with them for ages.I replace every 6 months though and seems to work perfectly.Jerseys are great too.
After decades and decades of being the "cheap kit" guy, I have finally seen the light. Shorts such as your Rapha are absolutely worth every penny. Find a quality brand that fits your bum perfectly and you'll never ever regret it.
Hi William, how can you know if they fit when you can't try them? You could spend some serious cash and only discover that they aren't comfortable after you've ridden 50+ miles, and then the shop won't accept a return because you've used them
Good video and a reminder to buy the best you can afford. Never bothered with Rapha ("ow much..?!") but they do seem a good investment. Sticking with swapping between DHB bibs which generally seem to last really well, and some Castellis I got in a sale, which I also really like.
My favourite shorts were stupidly expensive, but they're the best! I was wearing them on the day I had a serious crash and they ended up with a rip and "graze holes" which make them indecent. But they're still so good that I'm still wearing them - only with another thin pair as well so I can go out in public without risking getting arrested
Echo comments about mesh wash bag and sports specific detergent, following wash / re-proofing instructions, rotating kit - 2 sets, it helps convenience/ longevity. Would add that although chamois may look and feel as new this can be deceptive until you compare with identical bibs new. Took it too far once (and although visually perfect) discovered that my 5 yr old S7 Assos bibs were’ dead’ as saddle soreness emerged on a 600 m mini tour of Devon & Cornwall. Probably should’ve been changed 3rd / 4th year (about 30,000 -35,000 miles)
Fyi 50€ Gore C5 bibs are not effective in the perineal zone after 6 months. 50€ Vaude Active bibs are still great after 2 years and pretty comfy for the price. Me and my friends recommend them for low budget.
I have a Castelli pro kit that my ex girlfriend bought for me for my birthday! They have some discoloration now but they are 12-15 years old. My friends use Rapha they seemed to last a long time too. I think it’s worth it just for the fit and comfort alone😊
Do you always take in to account the thickness of the shorts in bike set up. No, its not the left handed hammer question, always thought about it. But nobody says anything. Must have an impact. ❤
Still using the same pair of Gorewear bid shorts that I bought over two years ago for around 75 quid. The size markings are worn off, but there are no tears or anything so far.
Katie, I would say but one pair of expensive kit , keep it for best , get 4 pairs of cheap kit for day to day wear.. I was watching Phil do the way of the roses , you should both do it together hes funnnnnnny
Good cycling gear always a sound investment. Need those quality shorts to protect the saddle after a double beans on toast ! 😁 Wet T-shirt see through effect ? Don't worry Katie, bit of rain kicked up by rear wheel, full beam of a headlight, that Supermodel "booty" is there for all to see ! Stay safe 🌦
Totally agree, I've got one pair of bibs that originally was like 200 euros (got it in a good deal). They've lasted so much longer and are still great to wear. Only the color has faded but that's alright, dark grey bibs match with some stuff better than black!
I have some bib shorts from NeoPro for about $50 on sale. Had them for about 3 months and wear them several times a week (average 4-7 times). Washed several times by hand and also machine washed, and drip dry. Zero issues and very comfortable... and this is coming from quite a large rider... lol.
A lot with shorts is to do with the fit, not how much you paid for them. I have some Castelli bibs which are twice the price as my Endura ones but the latter just fit so nice and are so comfortable.
I love Rapha brevet cargo shorts and went to buy another pair but when I bought them they were £190...they are now £240 which I think is a ridiculous price hike. Luckily Albion have come to the rescue £100 cheaper and the quality is superb.
Until recently, I would ride my cheap stuff frequently, and wear it out quickly, keeping my 'nice' kit for...I don't know. Special days? But recently, as you've suggested, I just wear the nice stuff all the time. It's great. It's just nicer to use, and seems more durable anyway.
I will be the first to admit I am cheap but I use some Garneau Gel shorts, I think they were like $70 at a local bike shop, I love them, they are worlds better than the Walmart shorts I was wearing.
I have quality Kalas shorts about AUD$150, much better comfort on road saddle for extended rides. Also Owayo custom jersey I designed myself with my channel logos, about AUD$180 but worth it 🚴
For me, it's Pactimo, they just fit my bits. Assos are dreadful for me, they ALL rub on the r/h side of the pad edge. Rapha bibs I've never tried. As a caveat, I am numerous pairs of Chinese copies that I use for my 5 mile commute, some of these are now 7yrs old and still look as good as day 1 but they cannot be worn for anything longer than 20 miles or the pad starts to feel awful
Could you please upload more of this see through testing stuff? I am very curious how cheaper and even more worn bibs will outcome - for the science of course 😹
100% worth it. I will never stray away from my Rapha classics or adventure bibs. More important that anything in cycling as a comfy bum means you can enjoy your bike. Top quality and the perfect pad for my boney ass 😂
I have some Rapha bibshorts that are 7 years old and have tolerated me putting on 10 Kgs and are still excellent. They've also been repaired for free by Rapha. I'm not a Rapha fanboi - other stuff I have hasn't been so great, but these shorts are epic. But I also have some DHB shorts that are not far off as good! Oh, your friends are liars....
I agree, premium kit is worth the money. I haven't used Rapha, mainly dhb and Le Col (mid price vs premium)but now I am looking more at where stuff is manufactured . Trying to avoid far east (dhb) and China (Rapha?) . I have a pair of Lusso bibs (Manchester) which are good for long days and will try more of their kit.
I started 10 years ago with cycling. My first pair were Sportfull. A few months later i purchased a pair of Assos bibshorts. This pair i still have, colour is a bit faded from all the washing though. Now i use this pair only indoors. After 3 years i purchased my first Rapha Classic thermal bib. I also have the proteam bibs and recently a pair of explorer bibs. I also want to adress that i always purchase when its on sale. For my Rapha does the job very well, and the good part is that i sized down 2 sizes in the past years.
I bought 4 pairs of Santini bib shorts and 2 pairs of Santini bib tights a few years ago, been washed numerous times, still using tem on the road and on Zwift with a lot of sweat. I Don't regret spending the money.. Have a lovely weekend Katie
I have same age Rapha classic, very good but new Core are amazing, especially if on sale. I find pro team don't last as well, lots of stitch issues on multiple pairs
I have a range of cheaper shorts and my more expensive branded short. No name dropping here. I find I use the cheapie shorts for the short rides with the kids but the branded shorts are definitely my go tos for longer more serious rides. I find for shorts; price does relate to quality and definitely comfort.
spending a bit of money on kit if you can afford it is well worth it as the quality and or durability will pay for itsself . my work (Evans Cycles) does a lot of kit that is relitivley pricey endura for example but very well made :D
Very interesting. Rapha fell apart for me the pro version then I bought the endurance and def no no too much padding in the chamois. My go to is veloccio and le col. Assos are so so. Maap are good too.
When I first started cycling 6 yrs ago, I started with cheap shorts since I didn't know if I would like it. Since then I have bought a couple middle to upper end shorts and oh my gosh, what a difference! One of my big things outside of the chamois is the even compression feel all over. My cheaper ones did the job...they helped me love cycling! But the compression and grip was in random spots and I looked like the Michelin Man. Ha ha! Thanks for the review Katie!!!
@@TBATTIECYCLING I use for MTB and road GIRO DND. They saved my hands from scratches many times and not a single loose thread is coming out over 3-4 years period (I use 3 pairs in rotation). They might be 2x the price of cheapest decathlon full finger gloves but those typically do not last more than one season or fist crash.
I have invested in 6 different weights of Castelli winter riding pants for winter riding here in Kawartha Lakes, Ontario Canada. Heavy weight pants keeps me warm down to -15c. These where expensive but well worth the money. I usually buy the best kit I can afford because it always lasts longer than cheaper kit. Thanks for a great video.
Good stuff once again Katie, my experience has been that cheaper bibs and shorts do the job ok but for longer rides they don’t seem to provide as much comfort as the more expensive variety and, as we all know I would think, a comfortable ride is a good ride and a painful posterior can ruin a ride. I guess like a lot of things you get what you pay for but I’ve found too that the more expensive ones tend to last longer. Good to see you’ve ridden up Cheddar Gorge, my old training ground before I came to Oz many, many years ago. Just watch out for wandering tourists if you are riding back down fast🙂. Keep up the good work👍
Useful video Katie. You Rapha shorts display great environmentally friendly credentials I think and I hope you continue to wear them for another 5 years, for although they contain lots of plastic you have got lots of wear from them and have helped prevent filling up landfill. I use similar fabrics for other sports clothes. Can I suggest using a microfibre catcher to you and your community when they wash their sports clothes. This helps the waterways and oceans from filling up with plastic microfibres. Keep doing what your doing Katie.xx
I bought some De Marchi perfecto rd champion bib shorts for £149.99 about 4 years ago. Not sure how many washes 😂 but 100s, and they still look and feel like brand new. It's one thing in particular, I won't scrimp on. Quality shorts are a must, IMO 👍🤜🤛
Rapha classics are the best. Still using a pair that must be almost 10 years old. Had to get the needle and thread out after I had a bad crash in them as the paramedics cut through the bib straps! Core jerseys are good but like you say the bibs go a bit see through after a couple of years.
It is not too hard to re-sew a shammy with a zig-zag stitch. Better to catch it early so you are only repairing a few cm's and there is no guessing how to get the layers all aligned. My favorite liner shorts wore similarly after about 4 years, and are going strong another year after my repair.
I’m one year in to wearing a pair of Pearl Izumi shorts. I’d definitely classify them as mid-range since they retail for around $100 as I recall. They’re a huge jump in comfort from the cheap ones I’d been getting by with for years and they seem to be wearing much better as well.
@@KatieKookaburra probably true. Then again the only thing I've spent more than 100 quid on is (coincidentally) a pair of bib shorts and it hasn't been 5 years yet so the jury is still out on that one. 😄
Pretty impressive how the chamois has lasted that long. I wear Giordano bibs on longer rides and I recently took a chance on a pair of yknbyk bibs for about $45 AUD. Quality seems very good for the money.
'Fat Lad at the back' also have a range of cycling shorts/leggings/bibs for women 36-50 inch hip and similar sizes for men. They are about half Rapha prices. I buy their Jerseys and are quite well made and fit my 50 inch chest like a glove. They also do some unbranded gear in larger sizes for those that are sensitive about such things.
Having had various brands with varying price points it is very much of you get what you pay for, though I am wondering if the bibs I'm looking at are worth twice the price of my current pair.
I’m starting my third year of cycling with the same kit and this video has got me thinking about some new gear. Who knew so many of the choices we make these days have environmental considerations including riding gear! PS: I just about fell off my chair when you asked your friendly neighbour about bum crack … hilarious 😂! Thanks for a fun and informative video.
Five years?! Don't let Chris Miller and Jesse Coyle find out!
😂😂😂
Must be smoking drugs 😅
Ha funny. I listened to that episode. Yeah 4-5 months Jesse!?!?! Try 4-5 years 😅😅😅
What a pair of flogs those boys are
Serious question: How do you find a good pair of shorts? We're all different so what's good for a friend might not be good for me. Plus they won't let you try them on in the shop (for hygiene reasons) and even if you could, trying them in the shop doesn't mean that they'll be comfortable on the bike on a long ride. And if you buy them, you won't know if you don't get on with them until you've done a good few miles in them. If I spent a couple of hundred quid on shorts and they were great then I'd be a happy bunny. But if I paid a couple of hundred quid and the shorts ended up laughing at me from the bottom of the drawer, then I'd feel ripped off. I think this dilemma is the reason that I'm still wearing shorts that should have gone in the bin a long time ago.
Great video Katie. Durability is one aspect of expensive kit. But the point you make about comfort and enjoyment you get from quality kit is the most important aspect. My advice to new cyclist is to be patient in buying kit. Keep an eye out for sales. Quite often you can get really nice kit for reasonable prices.
I wish you and your cycling shorts all the best!
Haha I don’t know why but this made me laugh a lot!! 🤣🤣
@@KatieKookaburra Hey, cycling shorts are a serious topic. If you don't pay enough attention to them, the shorts will eventually laugh at you. ;)
One thing I found that helps kit last longer is using those Zip up washing bags I think it stops them getting all twisted up in the washer, and you can wash stuff with Velcro at the same time (in a separate bag) without the worry of it damaging your Lycra. Bloody useful for keeping kit in order too, small stuff gets its own bag, so you don't end up hunting for a lost sock or glove inside the large stuff. All my matching kits have there own set of bags and once they have been washed and dried they go back in them, so I just have to grab the bag of the kit I want and know its all there.
I 100% agree 👍. A mesh bag with a zipper, which a set of 6, can be purchased online very cheaply ($10) does wonders to protect quality cycling gear in the wash.
@@luciouspontorro3741 Those bags and my "still wont die" 6 year old Aldi work stand are some of the best cycling related purchases I've ever made LOL. Also forgot to add so might as well do it here: You can throw normal clothes in there too so you save on the energy bill by not having to just wash your kit. Especially good in summer months when sweaty kit has to go in the wash immediately so it doesn't start to stink the house up.👃🤮🤢
Are you talking about the mesh bags, or fullon guppy bags designed to stop micro plastics being washed down the drain?
Really curious about those and how wellthings wash in them.
@@thebrowns5337 I'd never heard of Guppy bags until now TBH. The ones I use look very similar to those the "mesh" is very close weave/knit and they are zipped (I have used drawstring type in the past with no issues). Never had any issue with the detergent not getting to the clothes but those could be a tighter weave. You could always put gel wash tablets in the bag with the clothes, maybe?
@The Browns I just bought some mesh laundry bags, they're more like flat rectangle satchels with zippers, off amazon for like $12, and they have worked great this far.
My biggest disappointment were expensive bibs from ASSOS. Discolouration at the front, seam fell apart multiple time in the seating area (until mending wasn't worth it anymore).
My much cheaper DHB bibs seem to hold forever. Also good experience with Endura shorts. My favourite in terms of quality and fit are the Castelli jackets and ROS jerseys.
Katie, Amazingly so, but I agree with 100% of your perspectives. Especially about sheepies.
Two things to keep in mind: If your current kit(s) work, most brands have sales around the end of year/new year (Blacksheep is the exception), so you can afford better kit 😊
Second thing is the importance of washing your kit properly. I have done pretty well with longevity by washing them in a laundry bag; cold wash and drying on the line.
P.S. Sealant stains bib shorts 😞
I’ve never tried Rapha, but have tried a few other brands. I tried Assos a couple of times over the years, but found them a bit hit & miss, especially being 6’4”. Not consistent in terms of comfort or quality, and not really long enough. Castelli have been good on the other hand, but not had any for a while. My favourite budget(ish) shorts are Ale, really comfy on long outdoor rides, not so good indoors after an hour or so. My absolute favourites though are the LeCol pro range. Best I’ve ever had for comfort, quality and durability. Consistent in both quality and sizing, absolutely love ‘em. Be good to get your review of these. Pricey, but often have offers on.
Sportful total comfort bibs are my go to. I get about 8 years out if them normally.
Very pleased with bib shorts I got from Planet X for about £30. Comfortable, well made, excellent padding. What more could one want?
I'm about to say 'adieu' to a par of Cafe du Cycliste bib shorts that are about the same age. I like the look of their gear but I think Rapha has it on material quality/durability. Having said that, the dyes in Rapha shirts, merino and lycra can't handle the NZ sun and fade/discolour very quickly... like, one summer and navy/black or even pink are cosmetically toast.
Interesting, I’ve had the same shorts (in blue) for roughly that long. I prefer that chamois to their later ones as well. Mine have worn the same (stitching coming away on the edge but chamois still good). The only thing I don’t like about them is the narrow leg gripper (sausage leg). I always wash mine in a laundry bag. Really enjoy your videos 👍 Oh and fave bibs are Pearl Izumi (Pro for road, Expedition for gravel) partly for look and comfort but also they are easiest for loo stops with their drop tail, would love to know if you know of a more convenient brand (not Assos, that front clip is stupid).
Thanks Katie: This is a sore subject (see what I did there?). Started out using cheap shorts both outdoors and indoors (Zwift) and soon discovered that not all chamois and shorts are created equal. Joined a team (Team TFC IRL and Zwift) that has a relationship with Primal....big improvement. Completed a few Strava challenges and got Le Col discounts --- night and day....Better construction means less pain in long outdoor and (especially) indoor sessions. Mostly wear bibs for all rides, but I think shorts for indoor sessions make sense. Better construction means repeated washings won't disintegrate chamois or open stitching (poor Bike Nashbar).
Been my experience that bottoms mean a lot more than tops. Jerseys just need to fit and look cool...bibs and shorts are like shoes, they have to REALLY fit and not create hot spots. Thus for me, I can get away with cheaper jerseys but try to up my game when it comes to bibs and shorts. Recently tried an inexpensive alternative from NeoPro (out of Australia)....did a couple of 4+ hour rides using Le Col and NeoPro bibs and found the only difference is that the NeoPro are like 1/3 the price. Just a matter of seeing how this lower cost alternative holds up over time. As a larger rider the shoulder straps are also a consideration -- Le Col have had some breakdowns in the 2+ years I've owned their Sport bibs...they cheerfully replaced one that had a tear in the webbing of a strap.
Thanks for the content. Have fun climbing.
I was thinking of grabbing the Le Col discount myself, so thanks for this. I may take a look at NeoPro!
I have this version of the shorts and although they are falling apart they are still the most comfortable cycling short I own. I also have the newer model, which are the most uncomfortable cycling shorts I have ever owned. The new chamois causes horrendous chafing under my bum cheeks. I contacted Rapha about this a few months ago to see if they had any plans to bring back the smaller cut for woman chamois and there are no plans to. I’m on the hunt for an alternative if anyone has any recommendations?
I started with a couple of cheap one and ONE expensive (to have a couple for training on different days and one for the longer ride), but I always budget to buy an expensive one every year. So I gradually build a good set of good bibs.
That’s a really good idea! Also look for the sales - always good ones in the apposite season. Buy summer kit in winter etc :)
Thats pretty impressive Katie..My favorites are My pro leCol bibs,so comfy.also have Lecol sport bibs and a pair of primal For zwift i tend to use cheaper to medium priced bibs for 1 to 2 hrs rides
Anything longer i use the more expensive ones as we all know how much the padding is needed on long Zwift rides ;)
The transparency test is the first one I check, once that fails, they are still ok for the indoor trainer ( since you are alone) as long as the chamois is still ok.
Thank you for this. I do wonder what we get for our money. I am pathologically frugal, and it doesn’t serve me. I’ve bought some Perl Izumi kit which I suppose is middle range, and I’ve been happy with it. Rapha’s prices seem insane, but maybe they’re not.
Okay, that was one of the funniest episodes! Checking to see if you can see through your shorts. I can laugh because I did the same thing to my sister, but her answer was YES! LOL! I do agree that if you can afford to get the nice ones, you should get them, they do make a difference. I have had the inexpensive and they only last one season. Terry Bicycles in the U.S. - Vermont have great women's cycling clothing!
I used to love my aliexpress bibs until I bought some dhb Aerons and then loved them until I bought some Morvelo Nth series bibs! 😅
Best bib shorts for me were the assos at £130.I think they're lastest me for about 18 months.I was going to get another set but wasn't willing to fork out £230!!! A few audax members suggested red white apperal which was also great price at £100 but they lasted me for about a year.Im now a huge Darevie fan (AliExpress) and at £30 for a pair I am sold and stuck with them for ages.I replace every 6 months though and seems to work perfectly.Jerseys are great too.
Got my assos GT mill for 4 years now. They're still running good
🍑 need some good gear 😄
After decades and decades of being the "cheap kit" guy, I have finally seen the light. Shorts such as your Rapha are absolutely worth every penny. Find a quality brand that fits your bum perfectly and you'll never ever regret it.
Hi William, how can you know if they fit when you can't try them? You could spend some serious cash and only discover that they aren't comfortable after you've ridden 50+ miles, and then the shop won't accept a return because you've used them
Good video and a reminder to buy the best you can afford. Never bothered with Rapha ("ow much..?!") but they do seem a good investment. Sticking with swapping between DHB bibs which generally seem to last really well, and some Castellis I got in a sale, which I also really like.
My favourite shorts were stupidly expensive, but they're the best! I was wearing them on the day I had a serious crash and they ended up with a rip and "graze holes" which make them indecent. But they're still so good that I'm still wearing them - only with another thin pair as well so I can go out in public without risking getting arrested
I have Rapha kit going back to 2009 still going strong
I usually buy sale items which are better value
Echo comments about mesh wash bag and sports specific detergent, following wash / re-proofing instructions, rotating kit - 2 sets, it helps convenience/ longevity. Would add that although chamois may look and feel as new this can be deceptive until you compare with identical bibs new. Took it too far once (and although visually perfect) discovered that my 5 yr old S7 Assos bibs were’ dead’ as saddle soreness emerged on a 600 m mini tour of Devon & Cornwall. Probably should’ve been changed 3rd / 4th year
(about 30,000 -35,000 miles)
Fyi 50€ Gore C5 bibs are not effective in the perineal zone after 6 months.
50€ Vaude Active bibs are still great after 2 years and pretty comfy for the price. Me and my friends recommend them for low budget.
I have a Castelli pro kit that my ex girlfriend bought for me for my birthday! They have some discoloration now but they are 12-15 years old. My friends use Rapha they seemed to last a long time too.
I think it’s worth it just for the fit and comfort alone😊
Do you always take in to account the thickness of the shorts in bike set up. No, its not the left handed hammer question, always thought about it. But nobody says anything. Must have an impact. ❤
Katie try some decent Cycling Shorts . Top of the Range Assos 👌 & Ur Posterior will thx u every peddle stroke
Shoes, eyeglasses, and cycling shorts: buy the best you can get, because the problems caused by lesser quality just aren’t worth it.
Still using the same pair of Gorewear bid shorts that I bought over two years ago for around 75 quid. The size markings are worn off, but there are no tears or anything so far.
I always buy expensive bibs they are worth it for comfort difference.
Katie,
I would say but one pair of expensive kit ,
keep it for best ,
get 4 pairs of cheap kit for day to day wear..
I was watching Phil do the way of the roses , you should both do it together hes funnnnnnny
Really do think you should get some of the wiggle DHB gear and review that as it’s the budget end but not quite Aldi basement
Good cycling gear always a sound investment.
Need those quality shorts to protect the saddle after a double beans on toast ! 😁
Wet T-shirt see through effect ?
Don't worry Katie, bit of rain kicked up by rear wheel, full beam of a headlight, that Supermodel "booty" is there for all to see !
Stay safe 🌦
Totally agree, I've got one pair of bibs that originally was like 200 euros (got it in a good deal). They've lasted so much longer and are still great to wear. Only the color has faded but that's alright, dark grey bibs match with some stuff better than black!
My bib shorts last only 1 1/2 years before the lycra wears away on my backside so you can see through it. I always hand wash them too.
rapha is gennerally good, just try to stay away from their training stuff and china stuff.
Hi Katie, do you mind me asking what size you take in the ladies Rapha clothing?
Rapha stuff is great. Mine mostly lasts that long.....
You only notice how stretched out they are and how much less compression they have when you put new ones on.
Got some Endura kit 20 years and still going strong
I can go with a cheaper jersey but pants must be quality no matter the cost
Can I send you a new kit from Bike Shelf One NZ
I have some bib shorts from NeoPro for about $50 on sale. Had them for about 3 months and wear them several times a week (average 4-7 times). Washed several times by hand and also machine washed, and drip dry. Zero issues and very comfortable... and this is coming from quite a large rider... lol.
Me too. They compare in comfort to my way more expensive Le Col bibs. Have worn both for 200+ km rides...will see how the NeoPro hold up over time
A lot with shorts is to do with the fit, not how much you paid for them. I have some Castelli bibs which are twice the price as my Endura ones but the latter just fit so nice and are so comfortable.
Thanks!
I love Rapha brevet cargo shorts and went to buy another pair but when I bought them they were £190...they are now £240 which I think is a ridiculous price hike. Luckily Albion have come to the rescue £100 cheaper and the quality is superb.
Try Sport Pursuit mate they had some Rapha Cargos for about £100
Thought you were trialling Endura women specific shorts about 8 months ago. Are Rapha better then?
These are just the longest pair I have had so wanted to share how they are after that many washes.
Until recently, I would ride my cheap stuff frequently, and wear it out quickly, keeping my 'nice' kit for...I don't know. Special days? But recently, as you've suggested, I just wear the nice stuff all the time. It's great. It's just nicer to use, and seems more durable anyway.
I will be the first to admit I am cheap but I use some Garneau Gel shorts, I think they were like $70 at a local bike shop, I love them, they are worlds better than the Walmart shorts I was wearing.
I wish I could chamois like cyclist Kate! lol I guess you get what you pay for but if it lasts 5 years, it's a bargain!
I have quality Kalas shorts about AUD$150, much better comfort on road saddle for extended rides. Also Owayo custom jersey I designed myself with my channel logos, about AUD$180 but worth it 🚴
For me, it's Pactimo, they just fit my bits. Assos are dreadful for me, they ALL rub on the r/h side of the pad edge.
Rapha bibs I've never tried.
As a caveat, I am numerous pairs of Chinese copies that I use for my 5 mile commute, some of these are now 7yrs old and still look as good as day 1 but they cannot be worn for anything longer than 20 miles or the pad starts to feel awful
Could you please upload more of this see through testing stuff? I am very curious how cheaper and even more worn bibs will outcome - for the science of course 😹
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100% worth it. I will never stray away from my Rapha classics or adventure bibs. More important that anything in cycling as a comfy bum means you can enjoy your bike. Top quality and the perfect pad for my boney ass 😂
Still my number one CILF in UA-cam
LOVE ALL THE POTATOES!!!!!
I have some Rapha bibshorts that are 7 years old and have tolerated me putting on 10 Kgs and are still excellent. They've also been repaired for free by Rapha. I'm not a Rapha fanboi - other stuff I have hasn't been so great, but these shorts are epic. But I also have some DHB shorts that are not far off as good! Oh, your friends are liars....
Hi katie, so you prefer Bob shorts or this settle of shorts? Thank you.
Auto correct, it meant to say do you prefer. Ta
I agree, premium kit is worth the money. I haven't used Rapha, mainly dhb and Le Col (mid price vs premium)but now I am looking more at where stuff is manufactured . Trying to avoid far east (dhb) and China (Rapha?) . I have a pair of Lusso bibs (Manchester) which are good for long days and will try more of their kit.
I started 10 years ago with cycling. My first pair were Sportfull. A few months later i purchased a pair of Assos bibshorts. This pair i still have, colour is a bit faded from all the washing though. Now i use this pair only indoors. After 3 years i purchased my first Rapha Classic thermal bib. I also have the proteam bibs and recently a pair of explorer bibs. I also want to adress that i always purchase when its on sale. For my Rapha does the job very well, and the good part is that i sized down 2 sizes in the past years.
You asking your friends if they can see any bum-crack is the funniest piece of non-out-take video (actually audio) I've seen (heard) here. 🤣
Rapha all the way for me 👍 If you can afford it, get the best quality possible known to mankind
Overprized clothes for skinny people. Even gold has an upper prize.
Calculating the cost of an expensive pair over 4years is the kpi,ones tuckus will be forever grateful.
I bought 4 pairs of Santini bib shorts and 2 pairs of Santini bib tights a few years ago, been washed numerous times, still using tem on the road and on Zwift with a lot of sweat. I Don't regret spending the money..
Have a lovely weekend Katie
Like your friend mentioned in a previous video a while ago. Buy cheap, buy twice. Good video Katie 😎
I have same age Rapha classic, very good but new Core are amazing, especially if on sale.
I find pro team don't last as well, lots of stitch issues on multiple pairs
Agree completely. Found the same so I have about 4 Rapha Bibs I circulate through over the last 5 years.
Not sure which I am more impressed by: the 470 washes, or the tolerance of your neighbours.
I have a range of cheaper shorts and my more expensive branded short. No name dropping here.
I find I use the cheapie shorts for the short rides with the kids but the branded shorts are definitely my go tos for longer more serious rides.
I find for shorts; price does relate to quality and definitely comfort.
spending a bit of money on kit if you can afford it is well worth it as the quality and or durability will pay for itsself . my work (Evans Cycles) does a lot of kit that is relitivley pricey endura for example but very well made :D
Katie, have you used Pedal Mafia shorts? Just curious. Thanks
Very interesting. Rapha fell apart for me the pro version then I bought the endurance and def no no too much padding in the chamois. My go to is veloccio and le col. Assos are so so. Maap are good too.
When I first started cycling 6 yrs ago, I started with cheap shorts since I didn't know if I would like it. Since then I have bought a couple middle to upper end shorts and oh my gosh, what a difference! One of my big things outside of the chamois is the even compression feel all over. My cheaper ones did the job...they helped me love cycling! But the compression and grip was in random spots and I looked like the Michelin Man. Ha ha!
Thanks for the review Katie!!!
I recently splurged on some new Rapha Pro Team kit, my plan was to send some of it back that I was less keen on but it's all just so beautiful!
Buy cheap buy twice
How good is Katie explaining they were gifted 5 years. A UA-camr that can be trusted 100%😊
But I’m looking at getting some gloves from Decathlon that have mega reviews!! Will keep you posted :)
@@KatieKookaburra please do. I'm in the market for gloves
@@TBATTIECYCLING I use for MTB and road GIRO DND. They saved my hands from scratches many times and not a single loose thread is coming out over 3-4 years period (I use 3 pairs in rotation). They might be 2x the price of cheapest decathlon full finger gloves but those typically do not last more than one season or fist crash.
@@liamkaloy thank you, I’ll have a look
I have invested in 6 different weights of Castelli winter riding pants for winter riding here in Kawartha Lakes, Ontario Canada. Heavy weight pants keeps me warm down to -15c. These where expensive but well worth the money. I usually buy the best kit I can afford because it always lasts longer than cheaper kit. Thanks for a great video.
Good stuff once again Katie, my experience has been that cheaper bibs and shorts do the job ok but for longer rides they don’t seem to provide as much comfort as the more expensive variety and, as we all know I would think, a comfortable ride is a good ride and a painful posterior can ruin a ride. I guess like a lot of things you get what you pay for but I’ve found too that the more expensive ones tend to last longer. Good to see you’ve ridden up Cheddar Gorge, my old training ground before I came to Oz many, many years ago. Just watch out for wandering tourists if you are riding back down fast🙂.
Keep up the good work👍
I have those shorts too but wouldn't wear them outside in the strong Australian sun. They're definitely see through after a lot of wear and washes 😳
I always get top of the line shorts, they are more comfortable( 8 panels to 6 panels) they wear better and last. definitely worth the money.
Useful video Katie. You Rapha shorts display great environmentally friendly credentials I think and I hope you continue to wear them for another 5 years, for although they contain lots of plastic you have got lots of wear from them and have helped prevent filling up landfill. I use similar fabrics for other sports clothes. Can I suggest using a microfibre catcher to you and your community when they wash their sports clothes. This helps the waterways and oceans from filling up with plastic microfibres. Keep doing what your doing Katie.xx
The sacrifices you make in the name of "science" are commendable.
Still running in cloths bought in 2006. Use twice a week,worth the money
Buy cheap, buy twice, quality costs but 9 times out of 10 will last
I wouldn't spend that much on shorts probably a whole outfit top and bottoms for that price.
Front or top loading washer? Hang up to dry or tumbled?
I bought some De Marchi perfecto rd champion bib shorts for £149.99 about 4 years ago. Not sure how many washes 😂 but 100s, and they still look and feel like brand new. It's one thing in particular, I won't scrimp on. Quality shorts are a must, IMO 👍🤜🤛
Is the whammy in the core version the same or better in the more expensive version?
Rapha classics are the best. Still using a pair that must be almost 10 years old. Had to get the needle and thread out after I had a bad crash in them as the paramedics cut through the bib straps! Core jerseys are good but like you say the bibs go a bit see through after a couple of years.
It is not too hard to re-sew a shammy with a zig-zag stitch. Better to catch it early so you are only repairing a few cm's and there is no guessing how to get the layers all aligned. My favorite liner shorts wore similarly after about 4 years, and are going strong another year after my repair.
I’m one year in to wearing a pair of Pearl Izumi shorts. I’d definitely classify them as mid-range since they retail for around $100 as I recall.
They’re a huge jump in comfort from the cheap ones I’d been getting by with for years and they seem to be wearing much better as well.
No bum crack 🤣
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None if my clothes last 5 years.. let alone something I put through the ringer lol
You're shopping at the wrong places.... :)
@@KatieKookaburra probably true. Then again the only thing I've spent more than 100 quid on is (coincidentally) a pair of bib shorts and it hasn't been 5 years yet so the jury is still out on that one. 😄
Pretty impressive how the chamois has lasted that long. I wear Giordano bibs on longer rides and I recently took a chance on a pair of yknbyk bibs for about $45 AUD. Quality seems very good for the money.
Rapha do not cater for women unless you are a size 14 or below which is disappointing.My wife is a 16.
Really? I will have a look into this. Machines for Freedom are super inclusive size wise :)
@@KatieKookaburra men's sizes go to xxl which is 40in waist, women's only go to xl which is 34in waist!
'Fat Lad at the back' also have a range of cycling shorts/leggings/bibs for women 36-50 inch hip and similar sizes for men. They are about half Rapha prices. I buy their Jerseys and are quite well made and fit my 50 inch chest like a glove. They also do some unbranded gear in larger sizes for those that are sensitive about such things.
Having had various brands with varying price points it is very much of you get what you pay for, though I am wondering if the bibs I'm looking at are worth twice the price of my current pair.
I think it (annoyingly) varies. Like I said in the vid the Rapha Classic lasted WAYYYY longer than the Rapha Core...
I’m starting my third year of cycling with the same kit and this video has got me thinking about some new gear. Who knew so many of the choices we make these days have environmental considerations including riding gear! PS: I just about fell off my chair when you asked your friendly neighbour about bum crack … hilarious 😂! Thanks for a fun and informative video.