How To Fit & Set Up A Mountain Bike Coil Shock | MTB Maintenance
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Fitting a coil shock to your mountain bike is a popular upgrade. However, they do differ in application and set up to the more common air shock. In this video, Doddy shows you how to fit and dial in a coil MTB shock 🔧
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y'all need to be putting the links you say you'll put in the description this is another time now😶🌫
Bike: *is spotlessly clean
Doddy: oBvIoUsLy mY bIkE iS filThY
Coil shocks had already proven themselves in the 90's. I'm still regularly riding an OG Z1 Bomber and RS Super Deluxe and absolutely love it. It's taken air cans decades to catch up, much like it's taken decades for digital cameras to be comparable to a good film camera, or flat panel display technology to produce the same colours as our old school CRTs.... we got it right the first time.
Thanks Doddy! That was was best explanation of coil / set up I’ve seen yet!
Thanks Mate, I have been watching videos on setup of coil for 3 weeks and finally have a great understanding of how to setup a coil. I am new to the coil and the bike company asked my rider with gear weight and said they were going setup the suspension. I have now ordered new heavier coils for both my Ohlins and my Rock Shox coils as I didn't feel that the bike was as good as it could be even with adjustments. I took it back to zero checked your video twice first I got a great understanding of the setup and the second time was to take notes and to pile drive it into my memory. I had watched other videos but the setup never felt right until using your method with details you include that others have left out
Doddy's the best thing thats happened to me since the eggwhite omelette. So practical, so easy to understand. Good on ya mate!
Thanks, Doddy! This information was exactly what I was looking for. Cheers
Great video Doddy! Love these videos and if I do go on a full-sus later on I might think going to a coil shock
Fantastic!!! Thank you for this video!!! Now I have more and detailed information on how to installa and mount my new RS Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate RC2T shox 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I just got a coil shock and this was super helpful!
Installing my RS Super Deluxe Coil tomorrow! 🚀
That looks sick with the coil 👍👍
So helpful and interesting. I learned more now. 🤗
Wooooow, great video!!!
Great Info and interesting
that was really interesting to watch
Helpful advice here thanks
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I pre load 1 turn on Ohlins , no rattles and small bump compliance is very good bacause the more preload you have the higher the force required before the shock begins to move. highly recommend the vorsprung videos for explanations . Loctite purple is good for stopping a coil adjuster in place without going too mental , its almost a gel level anti vibration substance so not a biggy to undo by hand.
Exactly. As little preload as possible, without the spring rattling loose. Some shocks have an adjuster with a bolt to lock it into place, which I think all shocks should have.
But on the other hand, despite what some people say, you CAN use preload to adjust spring-rate, thus adjusting the force required to bottom out as well. It will obviously increase the force that it requires to move the suspension in the beginning of travel, if you have a excessive amounts of preload, but in an emergency, preload can be your friend, even though it's never ideal.
Very good explanation of coil shocks. Also curious what you think about the coil setup with the spectral. I've read a few articles about the new mullet spectral with coil and they complained that it uses too much travel too early.
Having cane creek coil shock fitted on efocus jam plus rocshox lyric forks can't hardly wait got to admit it's not just the difference in the ride, its also the cool look my ole dad always said if it looks right itself it will be. I've based a lot on that way off thought had a few gremlins to zap but nothing ventured 😈.
Thanks
My second trail bike (electric) has got the rockshox super deluxe coil I love it. Now I will try understand how it works 🤣
is it possible to add extension exemple get from a 9.5 to 10.5 like a bottom linkage or something
Noice job!
All my full sus bikes (DH bikes) I run coils. Coils =
Depends on the bike. But yeah, in general, coil is definitely better.
I'm whating for this topic a long time, please more about coil shox!! Could you make a video about coil forks too? Are the "expensive" coil shox better than air shox on the downhills??
Oh dear, 2 turns minimum preload for that shock Doddy, its even written on the collar, surprised the spacer under the bottom out bumper removal hack to increase travel wasn't mentioned.
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th comments can you elaborate on your comments 🙃
Love coil shocks, got a vanilla rc here on an old bike,still working for some reason, it wont die (yet)
does the remote add low speed compression or high? I have a delux ultimate and you have a lsc dial on top of the piggy back and a flip switch for the high im assuming
Hi guys.
I found your video one of only a couple that gave any sort of practical insight into setting up my new rockshokx super deluxe ultimate on my Orbea Occam.
I weigh about 87 kgs, so app 90 with riding gear. The shop recommended a 600lb coil spring, as supplied. However, I've been trying to get my sag dialled in. Should it be +- pretty close to 30 % as a default....Tinkering with the preload doesn't seem to be doing anything....
Any possible advice before I head for my trails.
Thanks
What is the difference between the old style coil shock and the new style coil shock
Hello Doddy how do you install and where can you get that lock out leaver to go in the coil shock because I have a super deluxe ultimate with that same feature i just do not have the parts where can i get them and is there any particular tools I would need to install the piece onto my shock? thank you
Sam
Quick question: can I run a DVO spring on a Fox Van RC demper without any spacer (like MRP provides when using their coil spring on other brand dempers)? Or do you need a Fox spring in Fox demper and cannot be swapped between brands? Any help guys.
Hello Everyone,
Do you know if you get a shock (coil) with a slightly longer stroke but the same eye to eye, will it change or effect anything. I am thinking of getting a marzocchi bomber cr but they do not come in (230x57.5) the right size for my trek remedy 8.
Hey Guys, do you have any experience which spring could fit on RS Super deluxe ultimate 230x60 ? Does nukeprof spring will work ? I know that FOX+canecreek+DVO wont fit at all.
What is the model of this ERGON oils lick saddle please?
hello , i have a little problem , i have a cane creek double barrel in my cannondale jekyll 2018 (165mm)
but my shock spring it seems it is too hard for my weight (400x2.5) and i am only 60 kg!
what would be the proper spring for my weight?
Don't forget there are multiple progressive coil springs available now!
So my 2020 spectral I was told I couldn’t fit a coil shock is that true?
Thank you Doddy for informative video, Ive just converted to coil and the explanation on setting sag and rebound really helped. Now she's sweet. SB130
Hi I'm looking at the marin alpine trail xr and it has a coil but I'm scared that it will be to stiff because I only way 54 kg and the coil is 350 pounds will that be okay ?
Good Day! My bike is a 2018 GT Fury Pro. It has a 2018 Rockshox Vivid R2C Coil Shock with a size of 9.5x3.0 or 241x76. Can i upgrade to one of these super deluxe ultimates?
Is it possible to remove the rear spring shocker permanatly? I don't want the rear shocker on the bike anymore, so is it possible to remove it permanatly?
I am lazy so I use just some reusable STRONK zip ties to zip the rear wheel or seat stays just to the seat tube. THIS actually helps massive because without my shock the rear end goes down and my rocker upwards. If I want to install my shock the rocker is to high to take a shock and also the spacers on the trunnion need to held in place with grease on the inside of the rocker. Its almost impossible even without the weight of the rear wheel.
So I will do this forever, just use zip ties to make it perfect for alignment.
Hi gmbn where can i find the coil shock calculator link? Thanks
Doddy, do you recommend spherical bearings versus standard bushings on a coil shock? I heard spherical bearings can help isolate frame flex from the shock eyelets and supposedly extend the shock life as well as reduce friction. Is it worth swapping out the standard bushings?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume a spherical bearing won't give you the same service life as a standard bushing will. You'll get dirt ingress for starters, as well as applying pressure over a smaller surface area. I run standard bushings on a single pivot bike with no linkages, and they're still as good as ever after 20+ years of abuse.
Is the used bike (Spectral 29) made for using coil shok oder just a sample ;D
Im 5'6 310 lbs. Would tjis bije work for me?
Useful video, wish you had covered the issue of rockshox springs being quite loose fitting. I find I have to run 3/4 turns of pre-load otherwise the spring just rattles too much when it's not under load, or I'm un-weighting the bike
ehm, it's written on the shock :) min 3-4 turns, max 6
so you're supposed to run 3-4 turns at least, and with that preload it doesnt get loose or rattle
got one on my trek remedy
@@ostankovalex1176 ehm, it's min 2, max 5 on a rs super deluxe coil. Maybe you should check yours again....
@@tommtb4898 weird. I'm running 2 turns on my Super Deluxe Ultimate and it's snug as a bug
How can i adjust the hardness of it
Hey Doddy
I have a giant trance from 2015 and already upgraded a lot of parts because it was a User bike as i bought it
But I still have the old fox air shick in it and when i jump or just rkde the trail it uses the whole travel allmost every time
What can I do or upgrade to make it feel a littel bit more harder in the end of the travel?
( sorry for my bad Englisch skills, I'm from germany 🤭)
Volume spacers inside the shock. Start of the stroke is the same but the end of the stroke is harder.
Does low speed compression not also effect how the bike feels when pumping? Im sure it also firms the bike up for pedaling but i thought it adjusted the damping for everything that is low shaft speed
It does. As much as I like GMBN, the information is rarely near perfect. Go watch BikeRadar's suspension setup videos where Seb Stott explains the process well.
My shock have a air can also. I have FOX DHX 5.0
Can one somehow lock this supension type?
My bike is spec'd at 216x63mm and I found a pretty cheap DNM coil shock at 220x61mm. I'm wondering if it's safe to slap that coil into my frame since the difference is so small in my opinion.
No, the frames designed for the 216 eye to eye, leave it at that. 63 to 61mm will reduce rear wheel travel noticeably in a bad way.
Very likely you can, at least If you buy an offset bushing. Be aware that you might void frame warranty though
Is very hard to find the 52.5mm or 62.5mm from factory does rockshox allow to remove spacer if i
Get a 230x60mm?
they don't have spare spacers, but generally 230x57.5-65mm is the same shock with the different travel reducer. I'm using my 3D printer to get a new spacer to convert my 57.5 to 62.5
If you get a 230x60, you can convert it to 62.5 stroke, but the new spacer is required and you need to re-assemble the whole shock (special tool is required). And you need to make a spacer with the required stroke
Thanks Doddy. Interesting to see how different spring rates are per bike. I’m 205lbs/93.5kg and have a 600lbs Rockshox spring on my Specialized Enduro 2020. I don’t see how I could ever go down to 500lbs. Is that progressivity of frame design or shock stroke or travel that is influencing that?
that's generally leverage to start with. how much your shock compresses per mm of your rear wheel travel. For example, 30mm stroke shock with 160mm will compress much easier than 60mm stroke shock with the same travel
Indeed, the progression of the frame affects it a lot, but mainly when going deeper in the travel. My suggestion - get the sag you want to start with. Once you get for example 25-30% sag, you need to figure out whether you need bottom out resistance or not (not all of us get decent jumps and drops).
I've got RS Super Deluxe coil on my remedy, it's a pretty average frame in terms of progression, but I've figured out my riding was harsh with 600lbs RS spring and not enough sag; however, I nearly bottomed out my shock, so I bough an MRP progressive 550 lbs spring and that solved it for me. I also weight aroung 94-95kg.
My current sag is about 30% and I rarely bottom out at all. And even if I do, I can't feel it - it's so soft.
I run a 500lbs spring on a canyon sender with 2 preload and get 28% for 230lbs rider weight. I run it firm for drops and jumps at bike parks and occasionally bottom out. I tried 550lbs and it was horrible 😂
Great advice as always, thank you Doddy! I’ve never tried a coil shock. I’ve got my heart set on a 2020 TLD Limited Edition Specialized Stumpjumper (S2) in my local bike shop, it comes with a Fox DHX coil shock (500lb) my body weight is 70kg and I’m worried it might need to go with a lighter spring. My question is, do these spring ratios behave differently with the way they are positioned in the frame? Different rear wheel leverage etc. I’m hoping the s2 size frame + 500lb spring will work for me. Thanks in advance and keep up the awesome work.
Frame already fitted with a DHX2 (blimmin predictive text)
Regardless if it is air or coil spring it all goes down to damper. Hydraulic damper are the key on suspension which is the issue with suspension fork before, it is now being realized that coil creates natural bounce added with dampening. We will see dirtbike suspension fork on MTB and air will soon again obsolete. Reliability and less frequent maintenance as ebike are emerging now as next choice
Sprindex coils offer adjustable lb/in in a certain range.
Also they say that the springs are progressive for the last 20% of stroke.
Would be great if you could test / feature them in a video.
yep, I have two of them because they did not cover my range completely.
I have 2 and can confirm that they do what they promise. One of the best purchases I've ever made, as I was having trouble getting my suspension dialled.
@@th_js I would not say it's the best ever purchase for suspension because the smashpot for my Lyrik was the real deal.
@@Vanadium Been thinking of getting one for my Zeb. The price is just really high.
@@th_js well it depends if you really need it. I have massive benefits for steeper terrain. The fork is that much higher by just pointing down and got way less dive all around. I don't even have a firm spring. Its a step down for what is recommended. The hydraulic progression dial is so strong that you essentially have the same thing you get from the Sprindex.
Because I have only coils now, I can throw the pump out.
Is there a tool you can use if your coil adjustment nut is too tight to move with your fingers?
Same question for me, did you find one?
@rickstard73 no haven't yet, and actually in the time, I have changed to an air shock!😆
🎵🎵This is how you do it🎵🎵
Is that a 230 mm 57,5mm?
I bought a DH bike and TF Tuned says I need at least an 800lb spring. I have a 2017 Kona Supreme Operator with a Rockshox 650lb coil in it now. I weigh 270lb+ with no gear. Any one know where I can get an 800lb coil spring to fit my Rockshox Kage coil shock?
prolly easier to lose 70 lbs than find a 800lb coil. You’ll live longer and be able to ride more bikes 🎉
Is there any wiggle room onthe eye to eye measurement
3mm?
The link, Doddy??🤔🤔
but what if you fit a progressive (rising rate) spring? Can you fit a coil shock to a bike that runs an air shock then? ; )
yeap, you do
but it depends on how hard you ride and how big jumps and drops you make
I have a Trek Remedy frame - not very progressive at all. I use an RS coil shock with MRP progressive spring. I have about 30% sag and rarely bottom out
In some cases, yes. In some cases it still might not be progressive enough.
Any actual advantages of the coil over air for the average trail bike and rider? I am all for set and forget tech.
Small pump sensitivity might be better, but you usally loose on the progressiveness. Air is usually also better for pedalling. Personal preferences based on your own riding and likings. Also your bike and its geometry make difference how each feel.
@@Pienimusta thanks for your informative and insightful response. I sit and spin as much as getting crazy, almost 50/50. Here in south Florida our steeps are short and far between usually if you ain't pedalin', you ain't movin'.
@@jankulozic401 my bike transformt from a harsh ride to a cushion with that. but I bought a more advanced shock then this RS one. You sure should have a more progressive frame to work with a shock like it was mentioned in the video but and that is the case with Sprindex coils, they are progressive it self. Last 20% of the stroke will be progessive and you also can actually vary your spring rate with a simple turn on the Sprindex ring. So you have a simpler solution in the end because you dont need a pump anymore and you need less service for a coil shock then air shocks.
@@Vanadium thank you for your input, l will have to see what is available for my frame.
1. Consistency, there is no air to change pressure, changing the spring-rate.
2. More mid-stroke support.
3. Less maintenance.
4. Once you get it dialled, it will stay dialled.
Hello everyone! Every time i try to service my bike, i find myself missing the appropriate tools and i buy what i need every time, as a result i think i will pay a much bigger amount of money in total. #AskGMBNTech Could you suggest a proper toolbox for intermediate home mechanic, in order to help everyone save some money in this fantastic bike community? Thanks a lot! Keep up the great videos!
For a 105kg rider how would a coil compare to an air shock?
Mine comes stock with coil shocks
#AskGMBNTech is it worth it to buy a coil shock if you have and air shock? Is it worth the money to have 2 shocks to figure out what works best for you (the rider)?
all of it is worth it if you have finances to do so :)
they do feel different. If you are a newbie - it doesn't
If there isn't anything directly wrong with your current setup, then absolutely no. The coil shock won't make you faster.
I went offroading and my coil shocks took it like nothing I like springy boi
Is it ok to wash this ?
Come on guys No link to the tuned 😪
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Aha super deluxe ultimate, most sexy shock ever
Nice joke
Yoo
It looks cool, nothing more
@15:42, didn't that hurt?
Upgrade, sidegrade or downgrade?
For most it’s a sidegrade 😂 they perform amazingly when set up properly but can take some trial and error which some people don’t have the patience for and like doddy said sometimes they only get you in the ball park of where you want to be… the fine tuning involves trial and error and sometimes if you calc wrong for the spring weight or like different setups for different terrain/riding styles it means more money for buying different springs.
Air is the way to fly for people who are casual or just a bit more serious than casual with riding their bike as air springs allow more precise setup up, cheaper and it’s infinite how many times you wanna change your air pressure and it’s free once you buy a shock pump…
Don't Canyon have a Sag indicator on the frame? The sender has a 20% indicator 😳
My 2021 spectral doesn’t have a sag indicator
@@HDTigerProductions must just be the sender then 🤾♂️
Air can expand when heated, so the air pressure (psi) inside the air rear shock will not be the same throughout any long runs, thus the performance will not be stable.
Pros and cons.
Yup. Also if you live somewhere, where the temperature fluctuates a lot form one extreme to the other, it's very annoying to constantly be adjusting the pressure to maintain the correct setup.
@@th_js okay then I’d better go for a coil shock on my new dream bike.
Just get a hardtail
Me watching this with only owning a hard tail👁👄👁
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I wouldn't call it an Upgrade, have thrown away several coils during my days.
Rockshox cheap junk
anyone knows the meaning of the first number on the rockshox springs? for example, on a 450lb spring, before the 450, there is a 79 number printed. What means that 79?