I pinioned my two three day old Muscovy ducklings but I don't think I did it all the way to those joints. I took off about a half inch. Do you think they will still be able to fly? They are five weeks old now. Thank you for the video.
@@beardsbountifulbunnies1655 I realize that now but at the time I did it five weeks ago I did not. I just took about a half inch off and did not pay attention to the joint of the wing. Do you think this will be enough to keep those flight feathers from forming or did I just mess up. I appreciated your response and wish I would have paid more attention to the video. I was just so nervous and the first one bled a lot but was fine afterwards. Thank you for reading my question, I deeply appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
Thanks for the instructional video. Question: Why not do both wings? I ask because I am considering doing this with my next round of pheasants but my experience with adult pheasants is that one can clip their flight feathers totally off and STILL they can jump-flap probably 4-5 feet in height. They're amazing leapers, perhaps not like ducks. So I'm wondering if it would be better to just pinion both wings on the baby pheasants. Thoughts?
Thanks for the very helpful lesson. Don't listen to the vegan crybabies like that "qualified veterinary nurse" from the U.K. where things are always proper. Raising animals for food has been going on for thousands of years, and people who buy their meat wrapped in plastic under UV lights are often displeased finding out that their meat once had a face. Haha. I don't think my town allows ducks. I just started raising quail. But this is very interesting.
Would this work for peachicks? As long as they're less than three days old and of course they would be babied afterwards. I'll be getting 8 peachicks in July and I'm hoping to pinion them one way or another so they can have as much freedom as possible (I'm building a huge aviary but I'd love for them to be able to roam the property without flying over the fence into the neighbor's yard). Because of their powerful wings, pinioning is the only effective way to ground them; clipping is ineffective and stressful (they're also big birds and hard to catch)
Vile!! Cutting flight feathers is far more humane There are so many reasons why this is considered a mutilation and is illegal in the UK for domestic birds
How many wings have you clipped? I looked up pinioning because of how difficult and traumatic it can be to clip wings. Plus if you clip too early you can hurt them very badly. It’s also the law to make some birds flightless due to them potentially becoming invasive escapees. Pinioning is quite humane as you can see in this video. It’s easily as humane as removing a dewclaw on a very young pup and more so than docking a tail.
These birds are a nusciance bird where I live and I have to ensure they can never escape. And like decoy dude said it's like removing a dewclaw or docking tails one tiny puppies. They won't remember it and it's so fast and at this age there is no nerve endings formed yet.
I'm a qualified registered veterinary nurse and this is considered a mutilation and illegal just like tail docking (which is also illegal) For your information I have 20 ducks who are all very happy to have their flight feathers trimmed As for newborn animals and new hatched birds not having nerve endings....do your research!!! If you want to naively continue to tell yourself and others that you aren't inflicting pain then you are definitely not educated enough to be performing these types of procedures Obviously you make up your own biology to suit your own agenda and make yourself feel better about the pain you are inflicting on a defenceless duckling. Pinioning has also been proven to cause biomechanical, physiological and psychological issues.
@@RockstarVetPhysio I’m sure that is all well and true but none of those things are illegal here (as of now). I’ve never pinioned before because I’ve never needed to but I am looking into it to observe what kind of trauma it causes and educate myself in general. Weighing the cost/benefits for the birds as well as myself. From the videos I have seen, when done correctly, it looks to be rather humane. Still haven’t decided exactly how I feel about it quite yet as it is hard to find non-ideology driven articles and research. One side says it’s ok, the other says it’s worse than cutting off the leg. I most likely won’t end up doing it. That increases the chance for my birds to escape and become cat or hawk food. Last thought, which may surprise you: docking the hind toe of wild duck breeds is a common and acceptable marker in the US. These practices certainly can seem “brutal and unsightly” to our modern ideals but they likely still have some merit. For instance bands can become wrapped in vegetation, etc. Anywho, there is actually more than one way to look at all this. So don’t write it off as some cruel or naïve person baffooning their way through animal husbandry.
@@TheDecoyDude I haven't written it off as a buffoon...however when people blatantly are telling others that this doesn't hurt because the duckling hasn't developed nerves yet proves she is either a liar or is uneducated. Would you let an uneducated person perform a surgical procedure on you or your loved ones? No... If she is going to show other people how to do this she needs to be honest that the little birds WILL feel pain Breaking a bone is painful due to the numerous nerves in the periosteum...cutting through that does exactly the same thing! Just because these ducklings cannot tell us how painful that was and indeed how it will CONTINUE to be painful for the entire healing period doesn't mean that it's not 😪 Watching this makes me feel physically sick Additionally if her spelling and grammar are anything to go by I would definitely say that she's not studied to veterinary surgery level
Is it more cruel than keeping them locked up in a small pen? Pinioning them so they can be free range is humane. Spraying and neutering is what's inhumane.
That seems much better than a lifetime spent grabbing and wrestling them to clip flight feathers.
Hello, Can this be done to pheasant chicks at the same age? (3 days old) Same way? Thank you in advance for your advice
I pinioned my two three day old Muscovy ducklings but I don't think I did it all the way to those joints. I took off about a half inch. Do you think they will still be able to fly? They are five weeks old now. Thank you for the video.
It needs to be done to the joint on only 1 wing to be sure they cannot fly.
@@beardsbountifulbunnies1655 I realize that now but at the time I did it five weeks ago I did not. I just took about a half inch off and did not pay attention to the joint of the wing. Do you think this will be enough to keep those flight feathers from forming or did I just mess up. I appreciated your response and wish I would have paid more attention to the video. I was just so nervous and the first one bled a lot but was fine afterwards. Thank you for reading my question, I deeply appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
@@deborahlaughlin5671 So it's been a year, can you tell us if your ducks were able to achieve flight?
Thanks for the instructional video. Question: Why not do both wings? I ask because I am considering doing this with my next round of pheasants but my experience with adult pheasants is that one can clip their flight feathers totally off and STILL they can jump-flap probably 4-5 feet in height. They're amazing leapers, perhaps not like ducks. So I'm wondering if it would be better to just pinion both wings on the baby pheasants. Thoughts?
Because doing both wings will make the wings even and they could eventually fly still. Only doing one keeps them uneven and never can get lift off.
Even with just clipping feathers. Only do one.
Because one does the job.
@@SgtSnausages I'm absolutely positive you didn't read past my first sentence, based on your answer.
you want them to be off balance
Thanks for the very helpful lesson. Don't listen to the vegan crybabies like that "qualified veterinary nurse" from the U.K. where things are always proper. Raising animals for food has been going on for thousands of years, and people who buy their meat wrapped in plastic under UV lights are often displeased finding out that their meat once had a face. Haha. I don't think my town allows ducks. I just started raising quail. But this is very interesting.
Would this work for peachicks? As long as they're less than three days old and of course they would be babied afterwards. I'll be getting 8 peachicks in July and I'm hoping to pinion them one way or another so they can have as much freedom as possible (I'm building a huge aviary but I'd love for them to be able to roam the property without flying over the fence into the neighbor's yard). Because of their powerful wings, pinioning is the only effective way to ground them; clipping is ineffective and stressful (they're also big birds and hard to catch)
Yes I believe it can be used for any birds. But make sure to only do only 1 wing.
@@beardsbountifulbunnies1655 Of course! Thank you!!
How old are they when you do this?
They need to be done before 3 days olds
@@beardsbountifulbunnies1655 dang it. I waited too long. I wanted to do my guineas… they are now 2 weeks old.
Do you clip off that joint? Or just right after it?
As close as you can get.
Do you think you could use dog nail clippers to do it?
If they are crazy sharp yes you could
can i pinion my 1 year old ducks ?
NOOOO. Pinion can only be done the first 3 days after hatching.
You can, but it is alot harder. If you mess up you can kill them. Older ducks are better left to a vet or someone with alot of experience.
Vile!! Cutting flight feathers is far more humane
There are so many reasons why this is considered a mutilation and is illegal in the UK for domestic birds
How many wings have you clipped? I looked up pinioning because of how difficult and traumatic it can be to clip wings. Plus if you clip too early you can hurt them very badly. It’s also the law to make some birds flightless due to them potentially becoming invasive escapees. Pinioning is quite humane as you can see in this video. It’s easily as humane as removing a dewclaw on a very young pup and more so than docking a tail.
These birds are a nusciance bird where I live and I have to ensure they can never escape. And like decoy dude said it's like removing a dewclaw or docking tails one tiny puppies. They won't remember it and it's so fast and at this age there is no nerve endings formed yet.
I'm a qualified registered veterinary nurse and this is considered a mutilation and illegal just like tail docking (which is also illegal)
For your information I have 20 ducks who are all very happy to have their flight feathers trimmed
As for newborn animals and new hatched birds not having nerve endings....do your research!!!
If you want to naively continue to tell yourself and others that you aren't inflicting pain then you are definitely not educated enough to be performing these types of procedures
Obviously you make up your own biology to suit your own agenda and make yourself feel better about the pain you are inflicting on a defenceless duckling.
Pinioning has also been proven to cause biomechanical, physiological and psychological issues.
@@RockstarVetPhysio I’m sure that is all well and true but none of those things are illegal here (as of now). I’ve never pinioned before because I’ve never needed to but I am looking into it to observe what kind of trauma it causes and educate myself in general. Weighing the cost/benefits for the birds as well as myself. From the videos I have seen, when done correctly, it looks to be rather humane. Still haven’t decided exactly how I feel about it quite yet as it is hard to find non-ideology driven articles and research. One side says it’s ok, the other says it’s worse than cutting off the leg. I most likely won’t end up doing it. That increases the chance for my birds to escape and become cat or hawk food. Last thought, which may surprise you: docking the hind toe of wild duck breeds is a common and acceptable marker in the US. These practices certainly can seem “brutal and unsightly” to our modern ideals but they likely still have some merit. For instance bands can become wrapped in vegetation, etc. Anywho, there is actually more than one way to look at all this. So don’t write it off as some cruel or naïve person baffooning their way through animal husbandry.
@@TheDecoyDude I haven't written it off as a buffoon...however when people blatantly are telling others that this doesn't hurt because the duckling hasn't developed nerves yet proves she is either a liar or is uneducated.
Would you let an uneducated person perform a surgical procedure on you or your loved ones? No...
If she is going to show other people how to do this she needs to be honest that the little birds WILL feel pain
Breaking a bone is painful due to the numerous nerves in the periosteum...cutting through that does exactly the same thing! Just because these ducklings cannot tell us how painful that was and indeed how it will CONTINUE to be painful for the entire healing period doesn't mean that it's not 😪
Watching this makes me feel physically sick
Additionally if her spelling and grammar are anything to go by I would definitely say that she's not studied to veterinary surgery level
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Hi can i pinnion my duck 1 week old?
That's just cruel
Is it more cruel than keeping them locked up in a small pen? Pinioning them so they can be free range is humane.
Spraying and neutering is what's inhumane.