She´s a marvel, outstanding from the first on screen second she got in this series. Drummer surely is not easy to portrait, with quite some layers, but she makes it seem the role was written for her. And where other actors scream in anger, she really does the loud BARK that emphasizes only what she wants to, showing she´s still in control but SO pissed off. So fitting, its hard not to see her when reading the books. Awesome acting. And in a very self confident way so sexy.
for what im finding out arround .. Ashford was the Behemont captain in the books and they had a XO wich was far more interesting.. they switched the captain position with Drummer and switched the security officer with Ashford
Cara Gee and David Strathairn were the best part of Season 3. I couldn't stand how fickle Naomi was - "OPA is bad, now they're good, now they're bad, now they're good again, I miss my friends." I lost all respect for her, but at least Drummer and Ashford stole every scene they were in.
I mean, I don't think it was as clear cut and dry as bad and then good. The OPA was never a single faction, and it many actions carried out by the OPA were lone agents acting by themselves. It was the loosest that an organization like that could be and still be considered one entity. Moreover, I don't think any group or organization in real life or in the expanse can be definitely said to be good or bad. I think that the driving factor in everyone's decisions was what was the best course scenario in the moment. So, even though she made some bad decisions, they all generally felt like they could realistically come from the same person.
It's great that this show is aware that spacecrafts approaching their destination would do so "backwards", engines-first, using their main thrusters to slow down. If only mainstream pseudoscience-fiction was smart enough for this.
The concept of "science-fantasy" is contradictory. Science-fiction if defined by being scientifically plausible (i.e., not going against scientific knowledge). Fantasy is defined by not having to be plausible at all. Scientific accuracy and fantasy should be seen as polar opposites, with a wide and diverse spectrum in-between. Star Wars and Star Trek, for example, are space-fantasy. The Matrix and Terminator are techno-fantasy. The Expanse is soft science-fiction. The Martian is hard science-fiction. Etc. This is a better classification system than the common "everything is science-fiction" method, which defeats the purpose of calling something SCIENCE-fiction in the first place, indtead of any other type of fiction that would actually describe the thing better.
The lack of the use of the “inertial dampeners” is extremely refreshing. It was useful for a while to keep budgets down and stories simpler, but that got out of hand once science fiction found its popularity.
“This is Camina Drummer. And this message is for the traitor, the coward Marco Inaros. You hunted me and mine and still we are here, unbent, unbroken, unbowed. And you? You are nothing. You stole from your own. You abandoned Ceres to the Inners and left Belters to starve. You called yourself our champion and then you ran. So go and raise your bounty. Track me down and kill me if you can. It doesn’t matter anymore. I will always be the one who took back what you stole. Camina Drummer did this to you. Live shamed. Die empty.”
Cara Gee plays Drummer with an always-on intensity that is unmatched in any of the other characters except perhaps Shoren Agdashloo's Chrisjen Avrasarala.
ETT Media I know I'm right, I pretty much know everything that's going to happen the next two seasons. I mastered this dark magic, called books 😏 long forgotten mystical training 😂
"If I killed them, I'm sorry." I don't know that it matters too much IF you killed them, the simple fact is that you went directly to "Kill my friends friends, don't bother to ask questions." After watching this scene, I am surprised by how the series ended, considering that he chose to give Drummer that kind of responsibility after she tried to kill an innocent man (and yes, I realize she didn't know he was innocent at the time. The problem was that she didn't care if he was innocent, she went straight to trying to kill him without bothering to find out.)
Because she made the right choice, and both her and Naoni knew it. She is sorry but she didn't regret it. If she hadn't done so Earth and Mars' ships would have torn the Behemoth to shreads. Holden's innocence doesn't matter.
So after Ashford undermined her command, she now backs him up? Sure, the ship needs its engineer on the case but Drummer could've handled that better. Was half expecting Naomi to give her the 'whateva' hand as she was leaving.
Or simply the chief engineer will die with all the ship crew for massive power malfunctions. She knows that. Even in this show you cannot sense the fragility of being in space. So many things can go wrong, and anyone of them will kill you.
Nathan, Ashford is a TERRIBLE first officer. He undermined his captain in Delta-V. His duty as first officer is first and foremost to carry out the orders of the captain. HE should have discussed things in private with Drummer if he had an issue with her handling of the crew death incident, but instead he publicly undermined her...TWICE in two minutes. Terrible.
@@captainyossarian388 you are referencing a Star Trek scene, but the situation on the Behemoth couldnt be further apart from the way Starfleet operates. Starfleet is a profesional military organization that has had literal centuries to fine-tune its procedures and operations. The OPA are a bunch of disparate ex-pirates and criminals belonging to a dozen different factions who now all of a sudden have to work together. Your comparison is worthless.
Lubri Mailasun Thank you. Just found the 5-minute promo of Roci passing the Ring and ultimatum of UNN about destroying Roci. Even more shameful, that the same happened in book, which I read.
"I don't work for you." Uhh, sorry, has Naomi somehow missed the part where she's an engineer on a warship of which Ashford is the first officer? He is her superior. Like, I know she's upset and all, but it's precisely this kind of juvenile selfishness that makes me dislike her character.
I mean, Belters have less respect for an abstract hierarchy than for their direct commanders. This attitude from Naomi is shared for most belters shown. Belters are very tribal.
I love this show but 1 thing that annoys the shit out me is how naomi has suddenly got this god awful accent in the last episodes. I understand she has been with belters again for 6 months but it just annoys the fuck out me.
Since now everything is about the Ring and space, they decided to bring pastor Anna there as well, just to have lgbt person still in story. And that gay cameraman who again wants to have time with Amos. Why do they add these characters and to what purpose does that help the story? Last episode was superb, the expanse was not canceled, everything is awesome, don't ruin it.
Anna was also in the books in that position and had a vital role. That moment was also her intruduction in the books and she stays important for a long while! I can't tell you why, because those would be spoilers. Before you hate without reason inform yourself or better, just shut up!
Jesus, these characters already existed in the books, and even if they didn't, you literally have a 200 shows on that are full of heterosexual couples, so get over yourself. God I hate homophobic assholes.
As noticed by others, she was introduced in the same novel that gave us the Ring. That decision was in Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck's hands from day one. I'm grateful for as faithful an adaptation as we've been getting. As for your disrespect for LGBTQ people, be they real or fictional, it's not helpful and less welcome. Their presence is part of what makes the novels and TV series worth the attention of many other viewers. Including a lot of us straight and cis folk.
If you don't like seeing those characters for that reason then you better stop watching now because Anna will play a pivotal role in the rest of the season. I'd tell you to read the books, but I think you don't deserve their awesomeness.
Someone cast Cara Gee in everything, freaking LOVE this actress.
Meagan Phillips I love her accent
She´s a marvel, outstanding from the first on screen second she got in this series.
Drummer surely is not easy to portrait, with quite some layers, but she makes it seem the role was written for her.
And where other actors scream in anger, she really does the loud BARK that emphasizes only what she wants to, showing she´s still in control but SO pissed off. So fitting, its hard not to see her when reading the books.
Awesome acting. And in a very self confident way so sexy.
She does a pretty good London accent too, though her real accent is starting to edge to Californian after so long away from Canada.
I might have mentioned this before but she was excellent in Strange Empire as the gunslinger.
for what im finding out arround .. Ashford was the Behemont captain in the books and they had a XO wich was far more interesting.. they switched the captain position with Drummer and switched the security officer with Ashford
I'm so glad that they didn't kill off Ashford at the end of this season. He and Drummer have good chemistry.
Hi. I am from the future. I am sorry. 😂
Well, a season later...
Tiligo Tiligo
About that.....
@@cgavin1 It was a good send-off for the character, tho
Cara Gee and David Strathairn were the best part of Season 3. I couldn't stand how fickle Naomi was - "OPA is bad, now they're good, now they're bad, now they're good again, I miss my friends." I lost all respect for her, but at least Drummer and Ashford stole every scene they were in.
Indeed
I mean, I don't think it was as clear cut and dry as bad and then good. The OPA was never a single faction, and it many actions carried out by the OPA were lone agents acting by themselves. It was the loosest that an organization like that could be and still be considered one entity.
Moreover, I don't think any group or organization in real life or in the expanse can be definitely said to be good or bad. I think that the driving factor in everyone's decisions was what was the best course scenario in the moment.
So, even though she made some bad decisions, they all generally felt like they could realistically come from the same person.
It's great that this show is aware that spacecrafts approaching their destination would do so "backwards", engines-first, using their main thrusters to slow down. If only mainstream pseudoscience-fiction was smart enough for this.
thank god someone understands
The concept of "science-fantasy" is contradictory. Science-fiction if defined by being scientifically plausible (i.e., not going against scientific knowledge). Fantasy is defined by not having to be plausible at all. Scientific accuracy and fantasy should be seen as polar opposites, with a wide and diverse spectrum in-between. Star Wars and Star Trek, for example, are space-fantasy. The Matrix and Terminator are techno-fantasy. The Expanse is soft science-fiction. The Martian is hard science-fiction. Etc.
This is a better classification system than the common "everything is science-fiction" method, which defeats the purpose of calling something SCIENCE-fiction in the first place, indtead of any other type of fiction that would actually describe the thing better.
The lack of the use of the “inertial dampeners” is extremely refreshing. It was useful for a while to keep budgets down and stories simpler, but that got out of hand once science fiction found its popularity.
Take note sy-fy programmes, looking at you star trek.
can you explain why,, i noticed that,, and thought y was the ship is going backward ???
They really couldn't have picked a better actress to play Drummer. She's everything I imagined in the books.
Except it's Michio Pa in the books. They merged them and Drummer for the show and I think it worked well
Ashford has only been in two episodes and he's already one of my favourites
This show makes me miss firefly a little less :(
Those Cara Gee’s Smokey eye shadows man. #LifeGoals
Thanks Bezos!
Camina later, captain now...was nice to hear iteration of this iconic line once more
I would donate a kidney to get more episodes of this show,
Drummer is my favorite character
she's hot
Right after Amos.
Hate me later work now ---- dam thats cold but executed so perfect
I can't wait till it's on Amazon Prime where we can have full hour episodes not 43 min.
Drummer has to be my favorite character after Miller. Cara Gee does a great job 👍
Love this .Amazing . Can't wait for ep9.
this is one of the greatest lines uttered not in cinema history, but in history history.
“This is Camina Drummer. And this message is for the traitor, the coward Marco Inaros. You hunted me and mine and still we are here, unbent, unbroken, unbowed. And you? You are nothing. You stole from your own. You abandoned Ceres to the Inners and left Belters to starve. You called yourself our champion and then you ran. So go and raise your bounty. Track me down and kill me if you can. It doesn’t matter anymore. I will always be the one who took back what you stole. Camina Drummer did this to you. Live shamed. Die empty.”
Cara Gee plays Drummer with an always-on intensity that is unmatched in any of the other characters except perhaps Shoren Agdashloo's Chrisjen Avrasarala.
Naomi's Belter patois is slipping.
She's code-switching
Slipping? She never had it. But it's acceptable since she's the least experienced in acting of the cast.
@@wizzyone1555
yeah, i read it as code-switching, too. patois is thick when talking to belters, but mostly gone when talking with others.
Love this show so much!
Once they get to Amazon the special effects and scenes are going to be off the charts
I think that dude is in league with that camera crew.
no, but keep your eye on Melba, she isn't just a throwaway character.
Like Steve said, Melba is in league with the camera guy. And she is not who she says she is(drum roll please).
Andrei Dinu you're right about that!
ETT Media I know I'm right, I pretty much know everything that's going to happen the next two seasons.
I mastered this dark magic, called books 😏 long forgotten mystical training 😂
Julio Acceus gonna be satisfying seeing Amos space em.
I miss Sammy
No Captain I ever worked for Ever Said Those Word to Anyone on the Crew. UnReal!
"if i killed them im sorry" peak emotional drummer moment
"If I killed them, I'm sorry." I don't know that it matters too much IF you killed them, the simple fact is that you went directly to "Kill my friends friends, don't bother to ask questions."
After watching this scene, I am surprised by how the series ended, considering that he chose to give Drummer that kind of responsibility after she tried to kill an innocent man (and yes, I realize she didn't know he was innocent at the time. The problem was that she didn't care if he was innocent, she went straight to trying to kill him without bothering to find out.)
Because she made the right choice, and both her and Naoni knew it. She is sorry but she didn't regret it. If she hadn't done so Earth and Mars' ships would have torn the Behemoth to shreads.
Holden's innocence doesn't matter.
Doors and corners
So who is supposed to be who from the book? ...
Do you really want spoilers? :-D
Drummer is playing Michio Pa. Naomi is playing Sam. Bull is, maybe, yet to be seen or also being played by Drummer.
So after Ashford undermined her command, she now backs him up? Sure, the ship needs its engineer on the case but Drummer could've handled that better. Was half expecting Naomi to give her the 'whateva' hand as she was leaving.
Nathan Holstrom + I think that's ashford's goal, to show the crew he would be the better captain.
Or simply the chief engineer will die with all the ship crew for massive power malfunctions. She knows that.
Even in this show you cannot sense the fragility of being in space. So many things can go wrong, and anyone of them will kill you.
Nathan, Ashford is a TERRIBLE first officer. He undermined his captain in Delta-V. His duty as first officer is first and foremost to carry out the orders of the captain. HE should have discussed things in private with Drummer if he had an issue with her handling of the crew death incident, but instead he publicly undermined her...TWICE in two minutes. Terrible.
I think this is all part of the "Belta-culta".
@@captainyossarian388 you are referencing a Star Trek scene, but the situation on the Behemoth couldnt be further apart from the way Starfleet operates. Starfleet is a profesional military organization that has had literal centuries to fine-tune its procedures and operations. The OPA are a bunch of disparate ex-pirates and criminals belonging to a dozen different factions who now all of a sudden have to work together. Your comparison is worthless.
So, who did they fire upon?
Lubri Mailasun Thank you. Just found the 5-minute promo of Roci passing the Ring and ultimatum of UNN about destroying Roci.
Even more shameful, that the same happened in book, which I read.
Haha. I don't blame you. I'm still here trying to figure out the character switches.
Season 3 was the best
"I don't work for you."
Uhh, sorry, has Naomi somehow missed the part where she's an engineer on a warship of which Ashford is the first officer? He is her superior.
Like, I know she's upset and all, but it's precisely this kind of juvenile selfishness that makes me dislike her character.
I mean, Belters have less respect for an abstract hierarchy than for their direct commanders. This attitude from Naomi is shared for most belters shown. Belters are very tribal.
Someone fire someone on cutting. 0:16 to 0:35 C'mon!
D R U M M E R
I love this show but 1 thing that annoys the shit out me is how naomi has suddenly got this god awful accent in the last episodes. I understand she has been with belters again for 6 months but it just annoys the fuck out me.
what fuckin captain says "I'm sorry"?
A captain that possibly killed a good friend's adopted family?
One that is your friend
Since now everything is about the Ring and space, they decided to bring pastor Anna there as well, just to have lgbt person still in story. And that gay cameraman who again wants to have time with Amos. Why do they add these characters and to what purpose does that help the story? Last episode was superb, the expanse was not canceled, everything is awesome, don't ruin it.
Anna was also in the books in that position and had a vital role. That moment was also her intruduction in the books and she stays important for a long while! I can't tell you why, because those would be spoilers.
Before you hate without reason inform yourself or better, just shut up!
Mister Hans
Your post should be flushed down the toilet and dumped into a sewer system where it belongs.
Jesus, these characters already existed in the books, and even if they didn't, you literally have a 200 shows on that are full of heterosexual couples, so get over yourself. God I hate homophobic assholes.
As noticed by others, she was introduced in the same novel that gave us the Ring. That decision was in Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck's hands from day one. I'm grateful for as faithful an adaptation as we've been getting.
As for your disrespect for LGBTQ people, be they real or fictional, it's not helpful and less welcome. Their presence is part of what makes the novels and TV series worth the attention of many other viewers. Including a lot of us straight and cis folk.
If you don't like seeing those characters for that reason then you better stop watching now because Anna will play a pivotal role in the rest of the season. I'd tell you to read the books, but I think you don't deserve their awesomeness.