In my opinion this should have a government rebate associated with it. This is the most environmentally friendly way of keeping these cars on the road. Maybe just a $1000 or £1000 credit would go a long way.
EV that degrade the battery so quickly and rapid-gate so inconvenient for end user due to lack of thermal management is not "most environmentally friendly". Any subsidy should be for SparkEV that has thermal management, 5 mi/kWh at 60 MPH (100 km/hr), 0-60 MPH in 7.2 sec (quicker than any car in price range gas or EV), and 50 kW fast charging all the way to 80% without taper resulting in 20 minutes to 80% even quicker than any Tesla.
You're correct. Here in Norway, Leafs are plenty, but replacing the battery still carries a risk regarding the car's registration. As Nissan is not eager to see their shoddy cars having eternal lives, they wave the safety card and raise doubts that replacement batteries in ZE0 cars are safe...it's infuriating!
Brilliant! Great to see our Gen one getting the new battery. It’s like a new car with no more range anxiety. As it’s winter we just drive with the heating on and no need to keep looking at the range left. The real world range is still over 150 miles.
@@alanweeks £8500 is a lot of money for a battery upgrade especially if you recently purchased a used Leaf for about £8000. Might as well buy a used 2018 or 2019 Leaf.
This is great, but it seems odd to do this whole video without mentioning cost or availability? To clarify I'm not naysaying - I have a 30kw Leaf (with a good battery so far!) and hope to keep it alive as long as feasible for reason of not squandering the environmental cost of building the whole car... so for me it doesn't need to be cheaper than changing to a new car, just not more expensive, and (fingers crossed) I won't need to replace the battery for maybe 5 or more years yet. But still, for those of us following the technology, why not say how much it costs and how easy/difficult it is to get?
You guys are amazing, the range upgrade was incredible. There's plenty of cars available but the battery range are terrible, we need more people doing this especially here in California where we have the strictest emissions in the country.
This price list is up to date as of today 6/12/2020. I now have some pricing, as we know what is involved with each job. Prices listed are fitted, inc vat. 1 - 8.8kWh extender, which will add approx 30+ miles of range, costs £5000. 2 - 17.6kWh extender, which will add approx 60+ miles of range, costs £6250. 3 - Gen 2 24kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £5500 4 - 30kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £6000. But we currently have an unknown battery we can offer for £5000 5 - 40kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £8500. And remember that these are not new battery packs , they are used. !!!
Hopefully prices of batteries will come down from manufacturers. As time goes on. Brilliant that there are battery replacement engineers out there Brilliant work lads😇😇🤣
What a great video. I've been waiting for Robert Llewelyn 's battery change on his 24kwh Leaf but its taking a whe due to Covid! So it's great to see this, thank you! The only problem however is the price - I'm sure it's worth every penny but at 5k worth of donor car plus 8.5k for the replacement, that 13.5k is getting very close to the cost of an Ioniq or 1st gen eGolf!
Plenty of people will happily spend far more than a ICE powered car is worth to upgrade in some way, so why would this be somehow unreasonable for an electric car?
@@TheLongonot62 because of current buying habits, the small number of cheap and available cars getting upgraded and concerns over compatibility. What type of leaf could you buy for 13.5k? That's the way most people will think
This really is interesting to both watch and know that when the battery degrades the car isn’t scrap as some motoring journalists would have you believe the investing thing to know is how much does a swop on average cost
Makes me sad I sold my 30 to upgrade to a 40. Can you do a video on what happens to the old battery packs that have been swopped out. That's probably what the skeptics are going to ask 👍👍
Not clear to me where the new battery came from. It is a crash battery, or new from Nissan? Is there an option of building one's own battery. I think it would be cheaper.
Ah that 2011 is beating my 2011 muxsan'd leaf on range. Mine needs a 30 or 40 replacement as my 24kwh canary pack lets down the ex vw packs in the boot. Great work again.
Cracking job there lads well done, a bit easier than replacing an ICE no doubt. I have a 2015 24kWh Nissan e-nv200 with 23k miles, I love the van but with a range of about 60miles it can be a bit of a pain somedays. Would you be able to upgrade it to a 40kWh and roughly how much would that cost please? I'm in sunny South Wales!
The progress you have made from doing the first one to now doing three in a weekend is brilliant. A customer can pretty much do a drive up and wait battery replacement at this point. I would be interested to see if this can be developed into other Ev models like the i3.
Hey there” I’ve got a 22 plate Nissan leaf with the 40kw battery. “ what do you do with your old Nissan batteries? Do you scrap them? And does it cost you to scrap them? And what’s. Your location? Great work guys. Thanks for sharing.
Hi, I have been in touch with this company and replacement cost are as follows, this particular 40 kwh battery replacement costs £8500 , £6000 for a 30 kwh pack and £4000 for a 24 kwh pack. Even if the government paid half of the bill it’s not for me I’m afraid, far far too costly.
A 40kwh second hand pack fitted will cost £8500,,,, Yes EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS. I just got a 68 plate TEKNA for £12500 which seemed a better deal for me and I will advertise my 63 plate acenta for £3000 this week so someone else can get into the EV world.
Hi guys, what a wonderful dad and son team. I am in Australia and desperately want to drive without a guilty conscience. I am putting solar and storage on my roof very soon, but am baulking at spending $50-80 on an new EV when I could buy a 2012 Leaf for $16,500 which is doing about 95km on a charge. Most of my return trips now I am retired might be only 30 km. Two questions: firstly, how much is the battery and other parts to do an upgrade, and secondly, do you know anyone in Aust who is highly competent doing an upgrade. I could give it a go using your great video tutorial for which I am very grateful. Many thanks, Tony
Have to see what costs are like in 5 or so years. Just bought myself a 30kWh Tekna :) 12 bars at the moment with 37k miles, 89.23% SOH. It was sat for a month or so so hopefully see that rise. Partly due to your videos I got interested in a Leaf in the first place. What is the cost currently?
@@mamadouaziza2536 Cheers! Yeah far too rich right now considering this car has cost just shy of 11k for a 30. Prices will reduce though whilst I'm paying off the loan for 5 years
I have a second hand leaf, has 9 bars, but runs around 110Km, in winter (-20c) goes 80km, not to bad, but thinking to update the battery sometime in the future.
I`m looking into replacing my battery myself. I have a 2012 mod, 8 bars and 155 000km on it. i want to put in the 30kwh since it`s cheaper and works more than enough for me. But the one thing scaring me off is the canbus and the software etc. I don`t have much knowlegde about it. Is it something I can buy cheap? and whatabout the software. Where can I find that? other than that I don`t see any problems doing it myself.
How much does it cost to convert to the 40kwh? I am considering dipping my toes in the ev market and was looking at gen 1 leafs but the batteries in them are usually very poor now with most showing 7 bars or less. I would defo consider buying one if your conversions are a cost viable option though.
The upgrade costs are too high at the moment, especially as the Nissan 40kwh pack is so heat sensitive ( rapid gate ). It would be great if a 3rd party compatible pack with integrated liquid cooling could be fitted. That really would future proof the upgrade
You would need to hookup the coolant lines and aircon and heating lines to the battery pack and the Leaf does not allow this.. Replacing these batteries by non Nissan dealers is risky, what about the possibility of a battery fire.
£8500 to reuse an already paid for leaf and make it roadworthy for at least another 100,000 miles sounds great and adds extra range at the same time,better than spending £15k on a newer car
I think it’s brilliant to replace the batteries especially as an upgrade. The one thing that I’d like to know is what is the cost involved with this type of upgrade?
Looks like they were using Muxsan for the hardware, try looking here for an idea on pricing muxsan.com/English/products.html#nissan-leaf-battery-swapsupgrades
Where are you guys based? Are you still doing this and has it got any cheaper? I’d like to get a 40kw pack or better put in a 2017 leaf early next year. I like that shape better.
Would be great If Cleevely EV had some prices on those 17kwh Boot extension packs, 22kw AC charging and tow hitch (for bike racks). You know the Ultra LEAF deal pack. :) So many LEAFs with just 3.3kw onboard charging. The 22Kw upgrade really makes these much more usable, especially for people who charge only away from home.
This is just excellent work chaps! Many thanks for sharing this video. Alongside the battery, would it also be possible to swap in the higher-powered motor/inverter from the Gen2 Leaf into the Gen1?
This is awesome but how much does an entire pack cost? You're previous video where you replaced modules was great and dispelled many myths including cost.
I am considering purchasing a 2012 Leaf SL. I have a 47wHa hybrid battery pack from a Kia Hybrid. I am researching the feasability of installing it in the area where the "gas tank" would normally go. I looked through the comments and failed to see a reply to the cost of this upgrade. I am pretty handy so I think I can manage this. The hold up would be the compoments to read an install new maps through flashing. Are these parts sold separately? Thanks
I am looking to buy my first ev. I'm thinking 2016 Nissan leaf or 2016 Kia Soul. The more I look..the more unsure I become. Any thoughts, opinions would be greatly appreciated. I'm in Canada.. so winter driving is a consideration. I have to make a decision soon.
I’ve already done 22.000miles on my battery and because I do do a 7kw slow charge my battery is giving me 175miles per charge. When I first had it I was getting 188 miles when new
My friend, how true is the talk about raising bars from 10 to 12? Is it true that the module is being changed? As far as I know, the module does not change because the average readings 1/48 must be one because they are consecutive and what is the solution if the bars go down to 10
Nice one. With things like the muxsan bridge enabling communication with the battery pack, it makes me wonder if at some point full third party OEM battery packs could be built. Do we know if the center console infotainment is upgradable as well? It would be cool to see a battery upgrade with infotainment so you get a gen1 lead with a mix of Gen 2-3 goodies.
Great video. Good to see a 2011 leaf looking so good underneath. My 2016 Leaf is still showing 12 bars at 60,000 miles - but it's good to have options when it starts to degrade. Are the replacement battery packs brand new, or are they salvaged? What is the weight difference between a 24 / 30 / 40 kwh pack?
James, are you allowed to comment on what the approximate rate for a new battery replacement is ?? Im just curious for when my battery get to degraded to drive. thanks ...
Check the Muxsan website - not cheap though. I assume the trade get a discount but even so it's a hefty price by the look of things. muxsan.com/English/products.html#nissan-leaf-battery-swapsupgrades
What happens with the old batteries? Are you able to convert them to home storage somehow? Also, Battery heater? Is it not possible to add this with a view to improve the life of the battery? Just wondering how many years this £8500 upgrade gives the car back before the new battery also degrades. Don’t want to be a negative but my 30kWh Leaf still pushes my buttons
Lots of comments about getting a 2018 40kwh vs replacing the battery.. and it’s a fair call, along with all the new tech. However the environmental difference is huge by upgrading the battery. Also curious about the old leaf, will it be more efficient? In theory it’s lighter and better aerodynamics ?
Hi, I have a 24kwh 17 plate Leaf and I’m really interested in a battery upgrade to 40kwh. Do you have an indication of rough prices for this kind of upgrade?
James, I love the fact that these upgrades are becoming quite normal. What happens to the degraded batteries once removed? Have you found a good recycling facility that can repurpose or recover the core materials. Would love to know.
Currently there's no need to recycle as they're in demand for other purposes so they can simply be sold on. Most people are making a home Powerwall from them
Good question, many people are not aware just how much power electric car batteries produces, often 10 to 20 times more than you'll use in your home, so a 25kw/h battery even down to just 15kw/h capacity could power a home for several days alone, possibly weeks if used with Solar Panels before needing mains power.
I've got a 2011 Leaf but am hesitant to exchange a flawed air cooled battery for another flawed air-cooled battery. Will the modern replacements degrade any less quickly?
What’s the cost of having something like this done on a Gen 1 ? I’m looking at my first EV and addressing any battery issues and increasing the range by fitting a 40kWh battery would be high on the costing list before buying.
It says in the comments above he paid £8,000. Cheaper to sell the car and but a new model at that price! 3 hours labour so maybe £300 to fit. Are the batteries themselves £7,700 I wonder? Seems a bit much.
Great video. It’s useful to know gen 1 and 2 Leaf batteries can be upgraded to improve their range. What are the typical costs? What sort of saving could people expect buying a cheaper, older model Leaf and replacing the batteries against a newer 40KWh model?
Few reservations with this, do you need to let your insurance company know that the car is now effectively modified? Hence would there be additional costs for insurance, my only other concern would be it would be my luck I'd have an accident after paying £8500 for a new battery and the insurance company would want to give me bottom book for a 5 year old car not taking into account the recent battery expediture - hence massively out of pocket. I really enjoy driving my leaf its a great car.
I bet the insurers are aware that anyone doing such expensive maintenance for their vehicle tends to be a more careful driver than ones that just buy cars and use them as-is.
That's a really good question Looking forward to the answer I read somewhere that one use of old electric car batteries is to use them for storing excess electricity generated from solar pv panels which you can then use later in the evening/night when you are not generating any solar
I see EV’s Enhanced can fit the env200 cooled battery packs to older Leafs with their own kits. Maybe you guys could make contact and offer this as well, although, I know these batteries are more rare.
I'm thinking I might buy an old leaf and change the battery rather than buying a newer ev. Price is key consideration so need more info , I think getting the 40kw battery is the tricky part?
How do the costings work? Does the customer pay the quote, and then get a "rebate" back once the original battery is assessed for its state of health and sold on, or is the customer responsible for getting a buyer for it?
Hi James. Great vid. I wanted to ask you on how I could get the flash update for the 30kW battery, (Campaign PC630) over OBD upload? I'm down under and have a Japanese import 2017 30kW AZE0 - Is there a way of contacting you direct? You seem to know these cars very well know! :) Cheers Dan.
Hey there, nice job! If you were to get a boot extender installed first, is it technically possible to come back and have the main pack swapped out later if needed? (way down the line!) Or is it one or the other, swap or extender?
I've been quoted £8500 from Cleevlely for an upgrade with no trade in value for my 24kwh battery with 80% SOH. This is the issue for Joe Bloggs who has no means of dealing with the handling and transport of their Old Battery. Still think the guys are doing a great job but I am not prepared to just give my existing battery away for nothing.
@@Jamesandkate Thanks for the reply James but 99% of people do not want this hassle, they just want a turn key operation. Why not offer a trade in price based on a leafspy report. If it will sell within hours on ebay then you sell it on ebay and make another profit on the deal. I am sure you will have a lot more customers for your product if this option is given, Regards Keith
Hello there...... I have a Nissan leaf 2015 model, 24kwh, only done 29k miles, battery is excellent condition because I only charge it up at home, I love my leaf but would love a 150 PLUS miles, how much would it cost? Could I part exchange my battery? Thanks in advance! Am subscribed and liked 😉👍
Brilliantly done again Matt And James 👍👏👏
Thank you, Jonathan.
In my opinion this should have a government rebate associated with it. This is the most environmentally friendly way of keeping these cars on the road. Maybe just a $1000 or £1000 credit would go a long way.
Brilliant idea!
EV that degrade the battery so quickly and rapid-gate so inconvenient for end user due to lack of thermal management is not "most environmentally friendly". Any subsidy should be for SparkEV that has thermal management, 5 mi/kWh at 60 MPH (100 km/hr), 0-60 MPH in 7.2 sec (quicker than any car in price range gas or EV), and 50 kW fast charging all the way to 80% without taper resulting in 20 minutes to 80% even quicker than any Tesla.
You're correct. Here in Norway, Leafs are plenty, but replacing the battery still carries a risk regarding the car's registration. As Nissan is not eager to see their shoddy cars having eternal lives, they wave the safety card and raise doubts that replacement batteries in ZE0 cars are safe...it's infuriating!
@@centennialequus in Norway, no tell no blame...
YES., battery swapping should be sponsored by goverments
Brilliant! Great to see our Gen one getting the new battery. It’s like a new car with no more range anxiety. As it’s winter we just drive with the heating on and no need to keep looking at the range left. The real world range is still over 150 miles.
I think you have some very good driving skills, Alan. I've been using a 2019 Leaf 40 for a little while and my range is 125 maximum.
@@Jamesandkate that’s with my wife driving; I would still be at 180 miles. 😀
Can you please let us know the cost for the 40kwh battery fitted and ready to go, also what happened to your old 24kwh pack.
@@antoniopalmero4063 £8,500 and the old battery is with the installer.
@@alanweeks
£8500 is a lot of money for a battery upgrade especially if you recently purchased a used Leaf for about £8000. Might as well buy a used 2018 or 2019 Leaf.
Good to see that the body shell is standing the test of time.
We have a 2012 gen 1 leaf bought in 2015 with 11 bars left. Great to know we can upgrade when we need to.
What type battery did you upgrade to: the 30 or the 40?
This is great, but it seems odd to do this whole video without mentioning cost or availability? To clarify I'm not naysaying - I have a 30kw Leaf (with a good battery so far!) and hope to keep it alive as long as feasible for reason of not squandering the environmental cost of building the whole car... so for me it doesn't need to be cheaper than changing to a new car, just not more expensive, and (fingers crossed) I won't need to replace the battery for maybe 5 or more years yet. But still, for those of us following the technology, why not say how much it costs and how easy/difficult it is to get?
Well done guys! Great seeing these Older Leafs getting a new lease of life !
Good to see them "turn over a new leaf" :)
You guys are amazing, the range upgrade was incredible. There's plenty of cars available but the battery range are terrible, we need more people doing this especially here in California where we have the strictest emissions in the country.
Really great to see this happening...Love those old Leafs
You need to get Robert Llewellyn's Leaf in for this, much easier for him to deliver to Cleveleys than than, as planned, take it to Muxsan!
im pretty sure both robert and the muxsan lot have explicitly said Robert's isn't being done by them, but by New Electric in the Netherlands
This is fantastic we someone who can do this in Northern Ireland 👍🏻
Fantastic job on both cars. My wife and I are just waiting for our mk4 Golfs to die and the I’ll be straight down the Leaf shop.
Sterling work folks, this is how it should be done!
This price list is up to date as of today 6/12/2020.
I now have some pricing, as we know what is involved with each job. Prices listed are fitted, inc vat.
1 - 8.8kWh extender, which will add approx 30+ miles of range, costs £5000.
2 - 17.6kWh extender, which will add approx 60+ miles of range, costs £6250.
3 - Gen 2 24kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £5500
4 - 30kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £6000. But we currently have an unknown battery we can offer for £5000
5 - 40kWh upgrade, dependent on battery availability, from £8500.
And remember that these are not new battery packs , they are used. !!!
How old do they tend to be when you get them - is there a limit of oldness that you draw the line at for these new replacement packs? Thanks!
What was the cost to the customer for the 40kwh upgrade?
great vide - what would the cost be to upgrade a 30kwh leaf to 40kwh ?
Hopefully prices of batteries will come down from manufacturers. As time goes on. Brilliant that there are battery replacement engineers out there Brilliant work lads😇😇🤣
What a great video.
I've been waiting for Robert Llewelyn 's battery change on his 24kwh Leaf but its taking a whe due to Covid!
So it's great to see this, thank you!
The only problem however is the price - I'm sure it's worth every penny but at 5k worth of donor car plus 8.5k for the replacement, that 13.5k is getting very close to the cost of an Ioniq or 1st gen eGolf!
Plenty of people will happily spend far more than a ICE powered car is worth to upgrade in some way, so why would this be somehow unreasonable for an electric car?
@@TheLongonot62 because of current buying habits, the small number of cheap and available cars getting upgraded and concerns over compatibility.
What type of leaf could you buy for 13.5k? That's the way most people will think
As ever James , the information provided here is invaluable - thanks for the video
Brilliant!
This really is interesting to both watch and know that when the battery degrades the car isn’t scrap as some motoring journalists would have you believe the investing thing to know is how much does a swop on average cost
£8500
@@mamadouaziza2536 that's savagely expensive. Hopefully it'll be quite a big cheaper in a few years time
Makes me sad I sold my 30 to upgrade to a 40.
Can you do a video on what happens to the old battery packs that have been swopped out. That's probably what the skeptics are going to ask 👍👍
Could you tell me how much price is the 40kwh battery ?
Well, an upgrade might still be in your future as the 40kWh Leaf's can just as easily be upgraded to 62kWh.
Not clear to me where the new battery came from. It is a crash battery, or new from Nissan? Is there an option of building one's own battery. I think it would be cheaper.
Yet another fantastic, informative, fact filled entertaining vid, knocked it outa the park yet again!!!!!!
Thank you
Looks like you guys are busy with pent up demand. Great work.
Yes we are
Love it!!! Great work Matt and James.
Well done guys, a good weekends work.
Thanks 👍
One day they're will be a controller upgrade and a gearing change to get this things really moving! Great job once again fellas!
Ah that 2011 is beating my 2011 muxsan'd leaf on range. Mine needs a 30 or 40 replacement as my 24kwh canary pack lets down the ex vw packs in the boot. Great work again.
Cracking job there lads well done, a bit easier than replacing an ICE no doubt. I have a 2015 24kWh Nissan e-nv200 with 23k miles, I love the van but with a range of about 60miles it can be a bit of a pain somedays. Would you be able to upgrade it to a 40kWh and roughly how much would that cost please? I'm in sunny South Wales!
The progress you have made from doing the first one to now doing three in a weekend is brilliant. A customer can pretty much do a drive up and wait battery replacement at this point. I would be interested to see if this can be developed into other Ev models like the i3.
Hey there” I’ve got a 22 plate Nissan leaf with the 40kw battery. “
what do you do with your old Nissan batteries? Do you scrap them? And does it cost you to scrap them? And what’s. Your location? Great work guys. Thanks for sharing.
OK. Very interesting. The BIG question is, How much is this upgrade ?
Hi, I have been in touch with this company and replacement cost are as follows, this particular 40 kwh battery replacement costs £8500 , £6000 for a 30 kwh pack and £4000 for a 24 kwh pack. Even if the government paid half of the bill it’s not for me I’m afraid, far far too costly.
@@antoniopalmero4063 Thank you for that. Wow!
Wow. Would love to hava such skilled mechanics at our country... SVK
Very good job 👍👍
But the main question is for sure you know it 😁
How much the cost will be
Thats my Question too.
A 40kwh second hand pack fitted will cost £8500,,,, Yes EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS. I just got a 68 plate TEKNA for £12500 which seemed a better deal for me and I will advertise my 63 plate acenta for £3000 this week so someone else can get into the EV world.
Hi guys, what a wonderful dad and son team. I am in Australia and desperately want to drive without a guilty conscience. I am putting solar and storage on my roof very soon, but am baulking at spending $50-80 on an new EV when I could buy a 2012 Leaf for $16,500 which is doing about 95km on a charge. Most of my return trips now I am retired might be only 30 km.
Two questions: firstly, how much is the battery and other parts to do an upgrade, and secondly, do you know anyone in Aust who is highly competent doing an upgrade.
I could give it a go using your great video tutorial for which I am very grateful.
Many thanks, Tony
This is great. I want to learn on how to do this kind of work.
Very good job 👍👍
But the main question is, i am sure you know it
How much did this cost?
That’s what I would like to know also.
Same. Also can you supply your own replacement battery for reduced cost?
Good Job, but it will be more helpful if you supply wiring diagram of the round connector for the CAN wiring.
Have to see what costs are like in 5 or so years. Just bought myself a 30kWh Tekna :) 12 bars at the moment with 37k miles, 89.23% SOH. It was sat for a month or so so hopefully see that rise.
Partly due to your videos I got interested in a Leaf in the first place.
What is the cost currently?
£8500
@@mamadouaziza2536 Cheers! Yeah far too rich right now considering this car has cost just shy of 11k for a 30. Prices will reduce though whilst I'm paying off the loan for 5 years
I have a second hand leaf, has 9 bars, but runs around 110Km, in winter (-20c) goes 80km, not to bad, but thinking to update the battery sometime in the future.
Excellent work. So important for resource efficiency that these battery stops are being done. What happens to the discarded batteries?
cell by cell or solar storage
That's an amazing upgrade. Really tempting, but I bet the demand is outstripping supply?
Amazing! How much would this cost?
Its perhaps a bit soon, but do you think it will be possible to upgrade a 40 leaf to a 60 using the same technology ?
Yep, it can be done. 62kWh packs on the other hand.... Hen's teeth.
I`m looking into replacing my battery myself. I have a 2012 mod, 8 bars and 155 000km on it.
i want to put in the 30kwh since it`s cheaper and works more than enough for me.
But the one thing scaring me off is the canbus and the software etc. I don`t have much knowlegde about it. Is it something I can buy cheap? and whatabout the software. Where can I find that?
other than that I don`t see any problems doing it myself.
How much does it cost to convert to the 40kwh? I am considering dipping my toes in the ev market and was looking at gen 1 leafs but the batteries in them are usually very poor now with most showing 7 bars or less.
I would defo consider buying one if your conversions are a cost viable option though.
The upgrade costs are too high at the moment, especially as the Nissan 40kwh pack is so heat sensitive ( rapid gate ). It would be great if a 3rd party compatible pack with integrated liquid cooling could be fitted. That really would future proof the upgrade
There is some company in New Zealand that's developing an all-new pack - Blue Cars or something like that?
You would need to hookup the coolant lines and aircon and heating lines to the battery pack and the Leaf does not allow this..
Replacing these batteries by non Nissan dealers is risky, what about the possibility of a battery fire.
£8500 to reuse an already paid for leaf and make it roadworthy for at least another 100,000 miles sounds great and adds extra range at the same time,better than spending £15k on a newer car
I agree with you. It is about £140 per 100 miles. It is not cheep.
sweet!🙂
I think it’s brilliant to replace the batteries especially as an upgrade. The one thing that I’d like to know is what is the cost involved with this type of upgrade?
Looks like they were using Muxsan for the hardware, try looking here for an idea on pricing muxsan.com/English/products.html#nissan-leaf-battery-swapsupgrades
@@ryanhawtin9639 so basically as much as the car is worth having seen some of the second hand Leafs around.
Hi great video 👍🏻
I’d like to upgrade my battery on my 2013 Nissan Leaf, could I ask where your based and a cost for this please?
Many thanks
Where are you guys based? Are you still doing this and has it got any cheaper? I’d like to get a 40kw pack or better put in a 2017 leaf early next year. I like that shape better.
Would be great If Cleevely EV had some prices on those 17kwh Boot extension packs, 22kw AC charging and tow hitch (for bike racks). You know the Ultra LEAF deal pack. :) So many LEAFs with just 3.3kw onboard charging. The 22Kw upgrade really makes these much more usable, especially for people who charge only away from home.
This is just excellent work chaps! Many thanks for sharing this video. Alongside the battery, would it also be possible to swap in the higher-powered motor/inverter from the Gen2 Leaf into the Gen1?
This is awesome but how much does an entire pack cost? You're previous video where you replaced modules was great and dispelled many myths including cost.
I am considering purchasing a 2012 Leaf SL.
I have a 47wHa hybrid battery pack from a Kia Hybrid. I am researching the feasability of installing it in the area where the "gas tank" would normally go.
I looked through the comments and failed to see a reply to the cost of this upgrade. I am pretty handy so I think I can manage this. The hold up would be the compoments to read an install new maps through flashing. Are these parts sold separately? Thanks
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Awesome! How much of a range upgrade is it
I am looking to buy my first ev. I'm thinking 2016 Nissan leaf or 2016 Kia Soul. The more I look..the more unsure I become. Any thoughts, opinions would be greatly appreciated. I'm in Canada.. so winter driving is a consideration. I have to make a decision soon.
Well done! The underbody of my 83k km Leaf looks much worse. Can you provide a complete cost breakdown for parts and work? Three hours sounds amazing!
I’ve already done 22.000miles on my battery and because I do do a 7kw slow charge my battery is giving me 175miles per charge. When I first had it I was getting 188 miles when new
Hope we a service like yours are soon aviable in germany.....
My friend, how true is the talk about raising bars from 10 to 12? Is it true that the module is being changed? As far as I know, the module does not change because the average readings 1/48 must be one because they are consecutive and what is the solution if the bars go down to 10
Nice one. With things like the muxsan bridge enabling communication with the battery pack, it makes me wonder if at some point full third party OEM battery packs could be built.
Do we know if the center console infotainment is upgradable as well?
It would be cool to see a battery upgrade with infotainment so you get a gen1 lead with a mix of Gen 2-3 goodies.
Great video. Good to see a 2011 leaf looking so good underneath. My 2016 Leaf is still showing 12 bars at 60,000 miles - but it's good to have options when it starts to degrade. Are the replacement battery packs brand new, or are they salvaged? What is the weight difference between a 24 / 30 / 40 kwh pack?
Its mostly salavged thatsbthe tough part,
If you had lost some bars on the original 24 battery, would you get them back with the new battery? Hope that makes sense
Amazing! Where can you get 40Kwh battery and how much does it cost? Does Nissan sell these to 1st gen Leaf owners?
James, are you allowed to comment on what the approximate rate for a new battery replacement is ?? Im just curious for when my battery get to degraded to drive. thanks ...
Prices are on the Cleevely website.
I can't see any prices on their website
Check the Muxsan website - not cheap though. I assume the trade get a discount but even so it's a hefty price by the look of things. muxsan.com/English/products.html#nissan-leaf-battery-swapsupgrades
@@alfaboy1554 Ah sorry. They used to be there. Hmm.
What happens with the old batteries? Are you able to convert them to home storage somehow? Also, Battery heater? Is it not possible to add this with a view to improve the life of the battery? Just wondering how many years this £8500 upgrade gives the car back before the new battery also degrades. Don’t want to be a negative but my 30kWh Leaf still pushes my buttons
Lots of comments about getting a 2018 40kwh vs replacing the battery.. and it’s a fair call, along with all the new tech. However the environmental difference is huge by upgrading the battery. Also curious about the old leaf, will it be more efficient? In theory it’s lighter and better aerodynamics ?
I wish this was possible in Ontario Canada.
I think they keep your old battery and replace any bad cells , then it’s sold for a few grand. Good business.
If thats the case, they should give a discount on the cost and labour of the new battery.
brilliant thats all to say thanks
Hi, I have a 24kwh 17 plate Leaf and I’m really interested in a battery upgrade to 40kwh. Do you have an indication of rough prices for this kind of upgrade?
£8500 from their website
James, I love the fact that these upgrades are becoming quite normal. What happens to the degraded batteries once removed? Have you found a good recycling facility that can repurpose or recover the core materials. Would love to know.
Currently there's no need to recycle as they're in demand for other purposes so they can simply be sold on. Most people are making a home Powerwall from them
@@Jamesandkate excellent second life is just what you want at this stage. Glad to hear there's a good market for that.
Good question, many people are not aware just how much power electric car batteries produces, often 10 to 20 times more than you'll use in your home, so a 25kw/h battery even down to just 15kw/h capacity could power a home for several days alone, possibly weeks if used with Solar Panels before needing mains power.
How much do you charge for this? Got a 30kWh. No battery degradation I'd just prefer a 40 and don't want to upgrade the car itself.
Great work guys,perhaps in the video the cost would of been good to know ?.. for all three to get a comparison on price etc.
Good call!
I've got a 2011 Leaf but am hesitant to exchange a flawed air cooled battery for another flawed air-cooled battery. Will the modern replacements degrade any less quickly?
How much is an upgrade? With no complications?
Have a question I have a EV200 Nissan van it works fine in the daytime but at night when I turn on the lights it hardly wants to move
What’s the cost of having something like this done on a Gen 1 ?
I’m looking at my first EV and addressing any battery issues and increasing the range by fitting a 40kWh battery would be high on the costing list before buying.
It says in the comments above he paid £8,000. Cheaper to sell the car and but a new model at that price!
3 hours labour so maybe £300 to fit. Are the batteries themselves £7,700 I wonder? Seems a bit much.
nice video. Very inspiring. How much would this cost in total? Thanks.
Great video. It’s useful to know gen 1 and 2 Leaf batteries can be upgraded to improve their range.
What are the typical costs? What sort of saving could people expect buying a cheaper, older model Leaf and replacing the batteries against a newer 40KWh model?
I wish someone answers
You guys at Cleevlely are kicking it! You should be doing Robert L’s old 24 Leaf, instead of him taking it to Holland.
Defo.
It's been suggested.
That's forward thinking like it ...it would be so good for both channels to show case uk companies.
Few reservations with this, do you need to let your insurance company know that the car is now effectively modified? Hence would there be additional costs for insurance, my only other concern would be it would be my luck I'd have an accident after paying £8500 for a new battery and the insurance company would want to give me bottom book for a 5 year old car not taking into account the recent battery expediture - hence massively out of pocket. I really enjoy driving my leaf its a great car.
The battery is exactly the same size and only a few kilos heavier. My insurer confirmed that there is no extra cost.
I bet the insurers are aware that anyone doing such expensive maintenance for their vehicle tends to be a more careful driver than ones that just buy cars and use them as-is.
Why splice the newer connector in ? Surely a dedicated pigtail would be better. The NZ company offer these. Just plug and play.
Well done chaps!
Hello, do you sell what is needed to install a 40kwh battery into a 2012 Leaf that has the 24 kwh battery?
another great video! considering buying a 1st gen leaf and bringing it up to you!
a question: what happens with the old packs?
That's a really good question Looking forward to the answer I read somewhere that one use of old electric car batteries is to use them for storing excess electricity generated from solar pv panels which you can then use later in the evening/night when you are not generating any solar
You've answered the question for us.
How much did these updates cost the customers?
I see EV’s Enhanced can fit the env200 cooled battery packs to older Leafs with their own kits. Maybe you guys could make contact and offer this as well, although, I know these batteries are more rare.
I'm thinking I might buy an old leaf and change the battery rather than buying a newer ev.
Price is key consideration so need more info , I think getting the 40kw battery is the tricky part?
We can supply you one if need be.
@@Jamesandkate thanks, I'll be keeping an eye out for a old leaf in need of battery and know where to come when I do.
How do the costings work? Does the customer pay the quote, and then get a "rebate" back once the original battery is assessed for its state of health and sold on, or is the customer responsible for getting a buyer for it?
Indeed, the customer is responsible for the old pack.
If I buy a used leaf and a 40kwg battery from eBay, how much should I expect to be charged by mechanic to install?
Hi James. Great vid. I wanted to ask you on how I could get the flash update for the 30kW battery, (Campaign PC630) over OBD upload? I'm down under and have a Japanese import 2017 30kW AZE0 - Is there a way of contacting you direct? You seem to know these cars very well know! :) Cheers Dan.
Hey there, nice job!
If you were to get a boot extender installed first, is it technically possible to come back and have the main pack swapped out later if needed? (way down the line!)
Or is it one or the other, swap or extender?
It's possible to do both in any order 👌🏻
Hi looking to do this to my 2013 24kwh would be interested in how much it would cost
I've been quoted £8500 from Cleevlely for an upgrade with no trade in value for my 24kwh battery with 80% SOH. This is the issue for Joe Bloggs who has no means of dealing with the handling and transport of their Old Battery. Still think the guys are doing a great job but I am not prepared to just give my existing battery away for nothing.
I'd quite simply list it on eBay, it'll sell within a few hours.
@@Jamesandkate Thanks for the reply James but 99% of people do not want this hassle, they just want a turn key operation. Why not offer a trade in price based on a leafspy report. If it will sell within hours on ebay then you sell it on ebay and make another profit on the deal. I am sure you will have a lot more customers for your product if this option is given, Regards Keith
Hello there...... I have a Nissan leaf 2015 model, 24kwh, only done 29k miles, battery is excellent condition because I only charge it up at home, I love my leaf but would love a 150 PLUS miles, how much would it cost? Could I part exchange my battery?
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Hi. Best thing to do is call the office and speak with Matt, or drop us an email to info@cleevelyev.co.uk 👍🏻
Are there any long term issues with not having the ability to heat the 40kWh pack?
Lower performance in winter in cold climates.
Do they do this in California?.
Yes, see Sal Camelli, he has a list of shops
@@Nicholas-f5 Thankyou