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Poland ordered hundreds of HIMARS rocket launcher, more than the US. How will they use them?
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This video talks about Polish Army multiple rocket launcher procurement. Which are massive in planned numbers. Both for US Himars and South Koream Chunmoo systems. Is Poland en route to field even more Himars launchers than the US? How might such high MRLs numbers be used? What might be the limitations? Watch the video to find out.
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The only real criticism is at 6:03 the GDP value is in billions instead of trillion.
As bizarre as whole thing it sound. It make sense. Core of Polish military strategy is to delay Russian offensive until NATO aviation and later armies arrive. It is why Poland need focus more on ground forces them more fancier assets.
Until now plan was similar to the one in Ukraine. So delaying tactics and then Pushing Russia out of our soil. But combat practice in Ukraine show this to be flawed assumption as Russians are extremely hard to remove, if they enter and dangerous to local populations. Due to they inhuman practices.
But solution also provided itself. A wall of fire! HIMARS proved itself to be extremely effective against logistic-poor Russia. Basically spamming GMLRS could paralyze Russian forces during they enter in the combat zone. It is a costly defensive method. But it is way cheaper then aviation, while sufficient for localized defense. This way Russians could be delayed before they even properly leave Belarus. And it must be hold long enough before NATO take the command.
For reminder Poland also invested heavily in anti-missile defense. I think those may be more important assets then even Abrams tanks. If anyone ask why such absurd numbers as 500? Well, launchers aren't as important as the missile themselves. Poland would make Korean missiles and if all work also basic GMLR ones. The redundancy is also important. All those launchers would be dispersed around the country, preventing risk of surprise attack.
@@theemperorofmankind3739 It is translation issue. There are different scales for numbers, as Americans are "special" boys. He by mistake used proper long scale, instead short in English channel.
It should be pointed out that Chunmo can be used also for unguided packs. I know that there are some talks to make Homar K also capable of using GMLRS packs. Possibly making them fully exchangeable.
@@foreveryoung2778 You need to be strong to afford pacifism. Otherwise someone become rich on you.
NATO: Poland tell us why did you buy so many weapons. What are you preparing for?
Poland: For victory.
Damn Poland really making sure it never leaves the map again
Already left twice and you know what they say "third times the charm"😂
Jesus, almost 500 HIMARS? That's insane. Poland going all out. Respect from the US.
Man they cant afford it. Nothing is signed and they will never have enough ammo to justify that many launchers
Yes I can respect it even if from the outside they seem to be a bit piecemeal and overboard.
But this is what an ally I would be willing to go the the mat to defend looks like.
@@patmacken5130 it all depends how the war plays out, most likely stalemate and ceasefire - in that case beefing up poland is a good idea. However if russia loses completely there wont be a need for 500 himars will there
500 himars + 230 Chunmoo
You don't need to worry about logistics, if you win the war before having to reload :)
LM: how many HIMARS do you want?
Poland: Yes.
Europe should learn from Poland and start investing more in their own defences
You stole the lines from US war merchants.
Please, don't forget, that Poland signed a framework contract, a real number of launchers will be certainly smaller. Rockets will be locally produced, this plan was also expressed. Anyway, the decision is right, it should be also a deterrent to a potential attack from the East. Poland is also building an early warning sytem, sattelite and aerial, the control and surveillance sytem, short range (codename "Gladius") is also being developed. Up till now, many haven't understood the way of war that is being waged in Ukraine! This country doesn't want to be under the Russian influence, some Westerners are ignorant of that. Polish tragic history shouldn't be repeated!
I absolutely agree. Ukrainian agency and sovereignty is being questioned on both sides which is absolutely despicable. I for one applaud the Polish people and how they forced their way into NATO. If Ukraine had similarly decisive leadership, this might not have happened.
@@Keiranful it's not about leadership. Geography gives countries advantages and disadvantages. Poland was way less damaged by communism than Ukraine. Ukraine was always under much bigger influence from steps rather than atlantic trade. Poland was influenced opposit way. Poles could trade with Scandinavians and Germans much easier and cheaper than Ukrainians. Polish and Ukrainian societies are way different. Poland was always better organised, even during post war occupation
@@roberturbanczyk204 geography and trade help. But even countries with a lot going for them can squander all they have with a corrupt leadership. Poland has its share of problems with corruption, but far less so than Ukraine. That just hamstrung Ukraine from getting its feet back under it after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The Polish-Chinese border on the Ural mountains is one step closer.
Grow up
Polish-Chinese border on the Tatra mountains 😁
@@shanerooney7288 You know that majority of tatra is in Slovakia right?
Vladimir Putin is the BEST salesman that Lockheed Martin ever had!
I really regret not buying Lockheed stock when the war started lol.
😂😂😂lol
Best entitled award goes to ---- Zelensky the clown😩💔.
Ok; the ruzzian has identified himself; comrade do yourdself a favor and get out of ruzzia while you can; the country is completely fookered for 15-20 years; don't believe me; ask the one million + smart, young ruzzians who have already left@@Jaderabbit9
@@someguydino6770hey those russian trolls gotta get those 200 comments a day in so they can afford to stay perpetually hammered on mouthwash
There are several gaps in this material when it comes to foreign purchases of reconnaissance systems for the Polish Army:
* From October 2022, it will lease the MQ-9A Reaper unmanned reconnaissance system until the ordered MQ-9B Reapers are delivered.
* On December 27, 2022, an agreement was concluded with Airbus Defense and Space for the delivery of 2 observation satellites with a receiving station in Poland, and from this year, access to the resources of the currently operating Pleiades Neo satellite constellation was obtained.
* On July 25, 2023, two Saab 340 AEW&C early warning and command aircraft were purchased from Sweden with delivery in 2023-2025.
* In September 2023, a contract was signed with ICEYE to provide a constellation of micro radar satellites with a stationary and mobile ground station for the National Reconnaissance Satellite System.
Such huge numbers may be an equivalent for lack of tactical nuclear weapons. Imagine a single salve from 300 or so units, and each one delivering 600 kg TNT equivalent and you have something arround 2kT tactical nuke equivalent which destructive power can be precisely delivered and disperced which makes strike even more effective from tactical point of view. And as opposed to nuclear weapons you can use such power without worlds contempt and geopolitical consequences.
now imagine same number of nukes reigning on a country.
@@greatblu9249 What for?
@@PaulieTheDude the same things himars with the tnt used
destruction
@@greatblu9249 I see russian "logic" in your thinking. Launching hundreds of himars rockets to designated military targets is precise and as avoidable in killing civilians as it can be. Launching hundreds of tactical nukes would be just a dumb genocide. But as I suggested on beginning for russians human life has not much worth and only thing they admire is power.
@@greatblu9249 usage of nuke is strategic losse. Russia can't use nukes, because will not achieve the strategic goal of becoming a sharer in the European cake as a responsible partner and will losse China support.
They wont use them. Its for defense. I know its hard to understand but Poland is the first country in Europe that starts to build a somewhat normal sized army. Its normal to have several hundred thousand man under weapons with thousands of tanks, Apc's and artillery systems. Otherwise you cant defend yourself
HELLO FROM POLAND 🇵🇱 NEVER AGAIN!
The Polish know what's coming (possibly) and they want to be ready. While I disagree with some of Poland´s stances on several issues, I have massive respect for their awareness and preparations.
Poland knows from its own history to take this seriously, and they sure are.
Before the war, nobody knew about HIMARS, now everyone knows about HIMARS
Well out side north America, that may be true.
And because of them the land looks like the one on Mars lol
Before WW2 no one knew about the atomic bomb…now everyone knows about the atomic bomb…😏
I remember seeing a couple in the Middle East in 21 and thinking that they looked really cool. I had no clue the capabilities and the potential that they had at the time.
They're 30 year old tech, most people who know about military gear knew what a himars was
How many HIMARS you need?
Poland : Yes
Ukraine - we stopped the entire Russian army with 18 of these. Poland - we’d like to order 486
There's already countermeasures to those rocket systems. You're late to the game Bonzo.
.......what?? MOST of the HIMARS have been destroyed.
and the ones that are left are practically USELESS because russian EWM made them absolutely unusable.
which is why theyre just using the remaining HIMARS to target civilian buildings, hospitals, schools....
omfg man, catch up....
The answer why is rather straight forward. Poland has weak air force, which is a main force to be reckon with for the US and other Eu Nato countries. Thus strong artilery with a various different effectors (from 122mm to 500ish mm) will serve that purpose. Reason two, one day of war will cost more than all that weaponry including the ammo.
Eh mostly the US. NATO intervention in Libya before US involvement showed how limited the airpower of European members is
Weak airforce. Polish airforce as per data will have 48 F16's, 32 F35, 48 FA50Pl, 32 AW149, 96 Apache, 4 AW101 and two used ex Swedish AWAC planes. As Polish MoD said lately. Another 22 AW101 will be purchased plus 32 BlackHawks and 32 F35/F15 and F16's will be modernised to the newest block. While other countries in Europe invest mostly in Air Force, Poland is balancing it. In the end land army wins the wars.
Big respect from 🇱🇹 to 🇵🇱
There are couple of reasons for Poland to purchase 500 HIMARS (+288 K239):
1. Poland is expanding the active personnel (peace time) in the Army from 140k to 300k - so more artillery units are needed (also getting rid of old soviet times systems, this also applies to SPG's. that's why Poland decided to buy over 600 of S. Korean K9's despite producing AHS Krab. As army wants to quickly get rid of old soviet time systems like 2s1's and Vz. 77 Dana)
2. Restructuring of Army artillery units in Polish Army. So smaller/lower level units will have their own attached artillery support
3. Reserve in case of war. As the War in UA shows NATO may be unable to quickly deliver large quantities of complex equipment. So having Your own reserve of not only spare parts but also complete systems is prudent
4. Taking off some of the burden of "direct/indirect" fire support from the Air Force. Leaving F16 and F35's to more important missions, while newly acquired F/A-50PL's will take some of the easier ground support missions
As for capability to find and designate targets, if we bypass the fact that Poland IS NATO, so it can use support on all platforms at NATO disposal:
1. Poland purchased Optical recon satellites from France/Airbus
2. Polish MoD signed a deal for satellite recon from SAR satellites from ICEYE (The deal for it was signed between Polish Company WB Electronics and ICEYE during MSPO 2023)
3. Polish MoD has a active contract for Satellite recon with Italian company for couple of years now
4. Polish MoD signed a contract for Saab 340 AEW&C, which is a stopgap before "Płomykówka" program will deliver target platform for AEW&C. As a matter of fact two companies that offer such aircraft got very active lately in Poland. Boeing - Boeing 737 AEW&C aka E-8 Wedgetail and Northrop Grumman - E2D
Boeing is active because other programs also like:
-96 AH-64E purchase for Polish Army.
-"Rybitwa" program that is ongoing - for maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft (Boeing will try to offer P-8 most probably),
-"Karkonosze" program - for MRTT aircraft (Boeing will try to offer some variant of KC-46 most probably),
-"Drop" program - for heavy airlift craft to supplement/replace old C-130E operated by Polish Air Force (as stopgap Poland purchased 5 used C-130H from US)
-Polish MoD and Gov. mentioned that is interested at purchasing also 2-4 squadrons of Air superiority fighters. Boeing is promoting F-15EX
-Polish Army is still reporting need for purchase of additional transport helicopters. Polish PM mentioned purchasing more AW-101 but some circles in the MoD push for CH-47's. And there is also possibility that the MoD will decide to buy two types just like they did with MRLS (HIMARS + K239), medium helicopters (AW149 and S70i International Blackhawk) Tanks (M1A2SEPv3 and K2's) ATGM's (Spike and Javelin) and so on.....
500 himar VS 10,000 drone...... place ur bet
@@jetli740So how many himars was destroyed by russian drones? :)
@@marektrucho8412 how many ukraine have? in the first place, how many left....?
@@jetli740 all left, not even one was destroyed :)
Poland is determined not to get steamrolled a second time.
I thought Poland had already been steamrolled twice for the past 200 years ?
Poland is NOT messing around!
They're going to be the main stalwart against future Russian aggression.
@@thekaizer666 dude they littearly started a fucking war that has killed close to 500k people, you really think america would accept such casulties if they started a war?
no russia is under putin and as long as he is a dictator of russia, russia is a state that can not be trusted.
@@thekaizer666you're denying reality, yet he's the zombie.
@@thekaizer666 we will never forget the atrocities the USSR did to the Polish people. I hope the soviets rot in hell.
@@thekaizer666Russians killed my great grand,father in Katyn, destroyed and robbed village of my grabd mother in east of Poland, my other great grand father died in Syberia, my other grand mother have been deprted to Syberia with her siblings to live in the hole in the ground with no food for 2 years.She lost half of the siblings there.I grew up in comunistic Poland where no one ever spoke good about Russian shithole who stole all goods from Poland and we had nothing in the shops.Tell me moron why any country would like to have anything to do with that retarded, underdevelped shthole that mentaly is stuck in 14th century?
Poland to Russia... get off my lawn.
Wow. Poland is not joking around. They are on the fast track to becoming a really tough regional power.
Well.... cant joke around with red pest knocking on your doors...
It's all limited. You need an Industrie, to be real power. You need technology, complexity...
@@dusanpantic792 which Poland doesn’t have. And should they build that infrastructure it will be the first thing hit by hypersonic missiles.
This is all getting very boring. When the ukies surrender let’s not send in the poles? Maybe just don’t be a dick about insisting on expanding nato?
@@dontdeletemeyoutube6689 I agree...
no one is knocking at their stupid door, they are knocking themselves. the biggest portion of foreign voices in the radio intercepts on the front line is polish speech.@@bartoszbaranowski604
I applaud Poland for doing this. They have been thru the ringer so many times they deserve to be secure!!!
506?!? Holy fucking shit Poland...
@@M3rl1n177Chunmoo? That's a different MLRS.
Ah the little European texas
6 round black powder revolvers are free in Poland, just as two round 9 mm guns in the Czech Republic (used to be 6 rounds). So even with guns it's comparable.
Poland will be one heck of a fighting force
Ukraine has 20 times less, and we can see the results. 486 is the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent.
Not really. An army needs actual combined arms tactics and well trained structures to work. Right now poland is doing artillery only hoi4 meme irl.
500 is enough to finish off every single working tank that Russia currently has in 1 barrage
@@NathansWargames If they can target them.
@@missk1697 Poland already has more artillery SPH and MLRS than France or Germany, even before this Himars and Chunmoo deals. Check it, before you will look stupid.
It's probably to knock out Kaliningrad bases and other infrastructure instantly in the case of a war.
if military aid to ukraine is maintained I dont think Russia will have any proper military capacity left to knock out in another year
@@eduwino151 Ukraine will run out of people before then.
@@eduwino151It won't though. The failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive has pretty much destroyed even the last glimmer of support they had in the West, and neither the US nor any other NATO country seems willing to waste money re-arming them once more, the US is already slowly withdrawing from Ukraine. The end of the war is close, and it's not an Ukrainian victory.
Let's not forget Belarus is also still in Putin's pocket. ='[.]'=
And get nuked by Kinzhals 🤣
Poland, the new Texas of Europe.
Fun fact: government considers easying up laws to arm people something like second amendment in US
not until jarek is breathing
Fun fact: when I was in texas for a month, the vibe I got from learning it's culture and history was "how very Polish" ;)
@@piotrkijak1774 No they aren't! At best there will be armed militias like the 2nd amendment actually intended and not the disaster that is the US
Ok who are militias? People like farmers and merchants, or should I say none military citizens. Ie citizens. Stop using an old stale argument.
Then the winged himars arrived. Coming down the mountainside. 🎶🎶
Good Tune :)
"How is Poland going to use these hundreds of launchers?"
By deleting grid squares en masse.
Doesn’t really matter because the real battle is here in the comments sections.
I’m calling in a HIMARS strike on your comment right NOW! 😂😂 good one mate.
Russia doesn’t need to worry about Article 5 if they attack Poland.
Poland will handle it themselves. 😂
Sure they will LOL.
With 0 nuclear weapons of their own no they wont lol. But yeah thats the whole point of their defence doctrine. They're the meatshield of NATO
@@Jugement Nuke means nothing in central Europe. It's too close to Moscow
@@GameRS-dp1xw Černobyl is closer and fallout is much worse than from nuclear bomb especially when detonated above the ground to maximize destruction caused by heat and shockwave.
Why 500 HIMARS is more expensive than Nukes ? Every city in Russia is a potential Chernobyl.
10-20 Polish HIMARS vs nuclear power plants in Moscow.
Does Russia want to attack a neighbor like Poland ?
Radiation and chemical weapons kill more than a nuclear attack..
Polish F-35 is more dangerous for Russian cities.
I would say that three different reasons to have that many launchers. 1) In Russian surprise attack HIMARs would be high value targets and enemy would try to destroy as many of those in the initial missile barrage so there's need to make sure there's enough left. 2) Having entire front line covered with enough launchers to immediately respond to high value opportunity. 3) Dealing with massed enemy artillery from a platform that can hit entire enemy battery and move away before response.
The Polish know better...their tired of being everybody elses marching ground
I don't blame them
In a tactical sense, the deployment is sound. HIMARS and K239 units are positioned at a standoff distance, outside the reach of Russian counter-battery systems. Their precision strike capability allows them to effectively neutralize enemy artillery. This strategic placement affords a layer of protection for the K9 and Krab howitzers, enabling them to engage targets with a lower risk from retaliatory fire. It's a smart use of combined arms, maximizing the strengths of each system to maintain operational superiority. The howitzers are poised to take on regular targets effectively
Having more missile launchers than the US is one thing: nobody is attacking the US mainland, and there is only so many systems you can, or might want, to fly to a war zone. But having more than Russia and China, *in absolute numbers*, is bonkers.
Better than theirs too. S400s are garbage compared to Himars and patriot systems.
At this point, they might as well set up a factory in Poland
It seems to me that Poland remembers ww2 and the soviet occupation, and is saying " never again ".
Too bad the rest of Europe has amnesia.
Poland gonna make it rain with all that rocket artillery. Using that you can move more vulnerable artillery forward and cover them while they hit targets on front lines or right behind it.
About the target sellection thing: you don't really need that much inteligence if your strategy is just to level anything of millitary worth in Kaliningrad (which is something you can easilly learn) to relieve your allies further north. Polish might be megalomaniac but they are not entirely stupid.
Poland will NOT be caught off guard again.
Part of the deal is planned to be missile production. It may seem silly - but these launchers are meant to be in each of planned six divisions in significant numbers, ~80 per division + some held in separate units at higher level (these are likely to have a bulk of ballistic missiles).
Technically the plan is that each division will be able to fight as more/less self contained army having it's own guided MRLS and attack helicopters, tanks, tube artillery and logistics. To that end - numbers actually add up. They are not meant to all fire at the same time, they will be used as direct support doing reactive fire against high value targets and ensuring counter battery fire at long range - i.e. Missiles flying at convoys crossing the border. Basically the point is to have these flying from first hours of conflict a sort of "fck them up right from the start, make the earth boil underneath their feet" approach. These are planned to be used with gladius system which is basically drones with 100 km range for target acquisition linked through fire control system - so drones flying and tagging targets for each launcher.
It was deemed necessary after seeing Russian conduct in occupied towns, the idea being to maintain pressure with fire right from the start, giving own forces time to assume good positions and shift as required to maintain stiff defense, not letting towns to be captured in the first place. It was also deemed required to prevent "limited war" where enemy takes a piece of land, declares ownership and demands peace talks threatening nukes - because this approach leads straight towards total war, as losses of attacker against would mount right after border is crossed - naturally forcing any would be attacker to first hunt down all such launchers before actually setting foot across the border, most likely requiring months of bombing to whittle number of launchers enough for ground invasion to roll out.
Poland better have one heck of a stockpile of missiles if they're getting that many launchers. Which seems like a great idea when you put them together with u.s. satellite and reconnaissance capabilities.
America: so you can reload…
Poland: reloading is too slow. Single use himars is the way to go.
How we'll use them? As a polish person i can tell you 1 thing.. We'll send them directly into Moscow if they attack us!
😂😂😂😂
Przenikniemy do moskwy i wypijemy im całą wódkę
@@szczepionzabijaka8476 i wywiesimy flagę na placu czerwonym, żeby mieli PTSD z 1610 😂
As a Polish I can say, that the biggest reason for such shopping is russian aggression on continent. If we will equip our every brigade with rocket artillery regiment, our defensive abbilities will be higher than ever. We also create our own new fighting vehicles and buy tanks and artillery from our allies. Put yourself on the place of russian army planist, how can you create a invasion plan on Poland, while we will get in next years around ~1500 new tanks (Abrams, K2, Leopards already in our army), ~600 rocket artillery systems, another ~500 155mm artillery systems, new highly advanced ~1500 infantry fighting vehicles? It is madness, and every russian general will have to face a quesiton - how can you prepare an invasion plan, while Polish behave so unexpected?
Also such huge number of artillery systems is because we do not have strong air force as US. In reality, our rocket systems will perform a lot of tasks, that are usually assigned to air force in countries like US, UK or France. In Poland we have huge army tradition in case of artillery systems, we have a lot of training grounds, experiences staff. In our situation it is easier to create space for few hundreds artillery systems, than next figher and strike wings. We already have problems with maintaining our own aif force, that's why we will get new high-tech MLRS to reduce the load of tasks in air force.
Do people really believe Russia is trying to attack other countries in Europe? Ukraine invasion is about eastern parts with high Russian population and NATO ambitions. Russia feels its cornered by Washington ran gang and it had no way out. It was a lose-lose situation.
@@lukem9707 Because Russia has a history of not invading Poland...
Just listen to Russian state TV and you'll find plenty of ambition to reform the Soviet Empire.
Poland: *Sees America ordering 500 HIMARS
"I will have whatever he is having."
A little more than 6,000 missiles, with 6 per salvo, is about 1,000 salvos. Over 500 launchers, that’s 2 salvo per launcher. Like 1 day supply of missiles. 50 launchers would be sufficient, 500 is madness.
It's not. The launchers aren't that much more expensive than the missiles. A large number of launchers will allow them to replace launchers lost to enemy counterbattery fire.
If those missiles would be with cluster warheads, what is possible, then those two salvos may be all what is needet 😉
@@dansands8140 The launchers are supposed to be quick shoot-and-scooters which are hard for the enemy to hit with counter-battery fire.
@@hyhhy A competent opposing force with working air power wouldn't have much trouble smashing a few.
@@Rehunauris Not any time soon, no. But one would expect Russia to learn a few lessons here before dreaming of challenging NATO countries. Plus, honestly, there's a nonzero chance of fighting Germany or France in the next 30 years.
A strong Poland is good for the world.
Doubt
Just like Ukraine is fighting for the world as Zelensky proclaimed.
Poland needs them and the Korean ones much more than US!
Himars will be used to defend Baltic countries.
Strong fences make good neighbours. Poland has a history of being attacked, alternatively from the German side and the Russian side. Poland will have a good dissuasive capacity.
Poland also has a history of attacking.
Good proverb, never heard that one - thanks!
Poland is:
The most militarized country in UE (army),
being at the same time
Most demilitarized country in UE (2.5 guns per 100 people)
Fun fact: government considers easying up laws to arm people something like second amendment in US
What a impressive number of MRLs per million people.
As a South Korean, our country cannot exceed that of Poland.
But, how about compare number of Self Propelled Howitzer per million people?
Countries like the USA, France, the UK, etc. count on using precision-guided bombs, and cruise missiles since they have a strong Air Force. Countries like Ukraine and Poland don't have such a powerful Air Force, so they're planning on using MLRS like the HIMARS in the same role as cruise missiles and precision-guided bombs. It's just as accurate and deadly, but arguably cheaper in the long run
True statement but don’t worry the United States has a defense budget that dwarfs the next 10 countries combined and will be manufacturing artillery and artillery shells like they are water. Not to mention that Russia’s Air Force is a joke and there anti aircraft capabilities are nonexistent. 🤣
And they work just as well in contested airspace as when you have air superiority, so they're not losing out.
I imagine it must have went something like this:
Poland: Can I haz some HIMARSs, pliz?
Lockheed Martin: How many?
Poland: Yes.
Lockheed Martin: WTF?
Poland: OK, make it 500.
Lockheed Martin: Hahahah
Poland: [pulls out a pen]
Lockheed Martin: Wait, you are fucking serious?
Well, Poland was one of a few countries that warned many times Eastern countries, that Russia is dangerous. Now, they know that in practice NATO will not help that much and they have to count on themselves. As Poland was under russian occupation for many years, they do not want history to repeat itself... and old NATO documents that Poland should defend and wait for NATO on the Vistula River are no longer valid. They want to defend every inch. Bucha will not repeat in Poland. GO POLAND!
"NATO will not help that much"
Huh? What makes you say that? No one has attacked Poland.
To be fair Ukraine is not recieving proper nato support that poland would receive
@@cedriceric9730 That's because Ukraine is not part of NATO.
Poland just wants to make sure history doesn't repeat again and I don't blame them.
That's what Nato is for.
@@maggnet4829 yes and Poland is part of NATO therefore Poland is making sure no conflicts happen again
@@voidwalker9223 For that purpose Poland does not need an amount of weapons like they have to conquer Europe on their own. Combine that with the concerns that come with an increasingly anti-democratic government and nationalistic movement. Just some food for thoughts.
@@maggnet4829 anti-democratic 🤣🤣🤣🤣
a HIMARS behind every tree
Himars Himars everywhere and nary a missile to fire.
Not enough trees for that I think
when you have Putin for a near neighbor, you like HIMARS
I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought that it was a typo, the first time they read that Poland had made a request for 486 systems. I assumed they meant 86.
Having extra capacity could mean firing a volley of dummy missiles to draw down defensive missiles of your enemy & then firing the real thing later, you could even fire multiple volleys of dummies so your enemy never knows what is real & what is fake...
"Flaming arrows shall be shot over the face of the earth, and none shall miss their mark." . . . "HIMARS"? (Humm..) OK then! That seems to fit the ticket.
It might be because of the recent change in polish mentality on defending itself. Polish authorities came to conclusion that every possible inch of territory must be held if possible, so Bucha like massacres don't happen. For that massive firepower is needed to saturate the enemy.
Or perhaps Poland realized that NATO and USA might not send formal, professional soldiers to fight alongside with it when the time comes. As Poland witnessed USA and UK dishonoured their "rock solid" guarantee security agreements signed with Ukraine.
The gdp of poland is roughly 700 billion or 0.7 trillion NOT 0.7 billion
American billions 😄
In the US one thousand millions make a billion.
But in the real world, one million millions make a billion.
Europe should invade the US and educate them, and the UK...
Russia has totally shit their own bed. Poland will soon be one of the most potent militaries in Europe. Good for you Poland. I just wish we could spend all that money on things that better the lives of all citizens.
Hamas says hi
"You're tearing me apart Lisa! Oh hi mars."
"How will they pay for them" is the real question.
Probably through EU funds. Everything they've send to Ukraine is being replaced by modern systems paid for by the EU.
South Korea in the past was much poorer than Poland now, yet Koreans were able to create powerful, massive land forces because they needed it. Now Poland need it.
Loans and debt - this is how the current Polish government works.
Is not the problem , Poland is rich country.
Probably will produce rockets on their own. Polish manufacturing is quite advanced.
we have AWACS now
Wow! Poland strongest ground military in Europe. I hope other European nations catch up.
6:04 I assume this is an error, should be trillion for GDP numbers not billion. Great video btw.
Poland is bulding own observation satelite constalation. First of all Poland buying those lunchers, because don't want to lead war in contact and is flat country without natural borders, where speed is a kee so want to make maneuver by artillery. But also buying so many Himars lunchers has multiple other purposes. One of them is realisation of "Kaliningrad variant" (Polish equivalent of the Seoul variant), which means, that Poland want to have capabilities to punish Russia for tactical nuclear strike with conwentional strike with power of nuke. So if Russia will use nuke first time, Poland will annihilate Kaliningrad. Meybe in the futere Poland will add "Petersburg varian" and "Moscow variant". Poland also want to have capability, to help other countries in the region.
I wouldn’t mess with Poland in a couple years. Between the F-35s, Korean tanks, and their missile systems, they’ll be almost untouchable especially when they add Ukrainian drone tech.
And we will be bankrupt.
Just like Greece needs to be armed to the teeth because turkey will invade, so does poland because russia will invade.
Yeah we will only lack nuclear weapons. I hope Poland will be added to Nuclear shearing program in the matter of years or we will start to develop our own in the matter of decades (starting from civil nuclear technology).
@TheSeaSergeant it is better to be bankrupt with a strong army than be under russian ruling. Those contracts bring also new technologies and better paid jobs to Poland, plus relationships. It is not by choice but by necessity.
Poland also plans to procure 96 AH-64E Apache Guardian helicopters.
Guess they think HIMARS is good invesment. Hundreds of units of HIMARS will be lot of firepower. Lot of different kind of missiles as well. Enemy will have face storm of iron and fire.
They need to figure out a way to make drone versions..launchers
1000 km range rockets and Poland gonna create a devensive umrella over central-eastern europe. For us and our neighbors. Slava.
Good on Poland. If Germany and especially the UK had any sense they would immediately expand their military numbers and capabilities. Its obvious quantity matters.
Yes more arms race to kick start WW3
@@qihaoliu3631 ever heard of the quote "if you want peace prepare for war"?
@@qihaoliu3631This is the dumbest logic. Preparing to defend yourself does not equate to WW3. For crying out loud, Russia's aggression and recent threats to Poland itself more than justify it's decision to arm up. What would you have them do? Let Russia invade? Bend over and take it?
Long range + Precise/Accurate artillery is a game changer in land warfare. Simply Poland knows the play book.
They’re useless if you don’t have the survival or spy satellites or planes to detect targets. Poland has none
Poland ain't taking no chances with the Russians next door. I wouldn't either. Russia wouldn't be so smart to try to play with Poland.
Ww3 literal nuclear war... aint happening.
That is why all rich leftist invest in MIC.
We already have two planes with radars and the first two satellites out of six.
first satellites? So Poland can into space, amazing.
@@Everthus4po co satelity, wystarcza nasze drony obserwacyjne i zintegrowany system zarządzania walka Topaz..najlepszy na swiecie;)
@@Everthus4 Well... ruZZia without stolen technology and the slave scientists, gathered in the concentration camps, was unable to do it.
Poland has focused on building strong land forces, other countries have significantly expanded navies and air forces.
The advantage of NATO is that you do not need all capabilities, but local strength in important categories surely helps to dampen any aggression.
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Makes sense given their geographic location.
Idk why Poland is considering this deal. Ukraine is only "successful" with their HIMARS' because their numbers are low while the targets are numerous. If you use 500 snipers then they won't stay hidden for long.
When it comes to MLRS, you also need area damage, that's why having a lot of smaller diameter tubes come in handy. A lot of 122/130 mm rockets could be used as somewhat closer range artillery and that'd prove very effective. Not like Poland isn't thinking about howitzers, they're buying hundreds of them.
because you are not rolling into a country while 500 HIMARS launchers fire at you. thats just not going to happen
I wonder if Poland isn't planning on a high attrition rate. One or two salvos and the Himars are gone kinda thinking.
You make a good point but some of them will be for Allie’s and reserves in case some get destroyed. You need to understand that the polish army is natos first line defense and offense and so they need to have a strong ground army equipment already ready for nato soldiers to just roll in and use them there instead of nato Allie’s having to move in their own equipment which will take too long
@@tektkite7255 Guns are nothing without target acquisition. These 500 launchers would be no more effective than 50 launchers, but they will last longer.
@@tektkite7255 Poland don't know a shit about anything, HIMARS have become utterly useless in war at this point cuz Russia has developed countermeasures against it and consequently everybody around the world knows now, how to deal with them !
every weapon system has its age like Javelins used to be extremely potent in early war but now Russian tanks stay out of their range and use the long-range capability (3km+) of their guns to target the infantry.
That is a situation, when Poland will stand a therapist to any enemy country. Therapy name: himars massage.
Poland is flat relatively indefensible land so 700+ mobile rocket system seems like a logical investment in my opinion.
''it is better to attack than to receive one''-R. W Gibbes a fine British loyalist.
I would not like to be Poland's commanders shoes for even 700+ Himar like platforms is still not enough with Russia for a Next door neighbour.
Still better then not having them for Poland has procured it's self an in house assault rifle aerial platforms is what Poland really needs to have a chance of securing it's national borders integrity.
You’d be right by conventional standards - but Ukraine is flat relatively indefensible land and it’s turned into nasty trench/static warfare. Not so sure we understand what a war in Europe would actually look like between peers in these days of drones and advanced missiles.
@@jong.7944It wouldn't be trenches if one side the other had real close air support but most powers did away with such assets decades ago.
Missiles are great & all but to expensive to throw at anything not of priority or high value.
Russia has realized this & hence improvised glider lower guidance modules to bolt on gravity bombs.
20.7 of Ukraine the 2nd largest nation in Europe has been occupied by Russia.
Ukraine is 6% of Europe's land area.
in this year Russia has gained 1.2% of all of Europe's for perspective!
Russia's European land mass has increased from 39.7% to 40.9% of all of Europe.
Trust me most European nations could not put up a fight like Ukraine.
If Ukraine falls the European corridor is wide open.
Poland could give a comparable fight to Ukraine but after that Germany & then the Benelux could not do much which is 7.3% of Europe's land area gone.
France has basically stated the Nuclear option is not an Option which through the corridor France could not stop Russia so another 5.5% of Europe occupied.
Southern Europe is protected by the alp's, Carpathian mountains & Pyrenees-betic chain protects Iberia & central-southern Europe.
Russia has no reason invade south of the corridor & France as the exception mind.
Germany & the Benelux built solid infrastructure over much of the marshes & swampy terrain that once protected their borders the fouls!
Surely instead of purchasing 486 launchers and only have a few missiles per you would instead buy maybe half as many perhaps 250 and then have more missiles per each individual launcher. Otherwise if a war breaks out they are gonna end up in a situation where they have all these launchers and no missiles. So many countries are buying HIMARS and only so many missiles can be made per year, its gonna be years and years before poland had a sizeable stock pile of missiles.
And even if they do make that stockpile I don’t think it would be enough for war with Russia.
The plane is to have firepower similar to tactical atomic bomb which can destroy whole city i 1 day (and CANT BE STOPPED) - as warning.
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448just like 14 himars isn’t enough for war with Russia in Ukraine? That math makes no sense. It would be a lot more than enough especially considering a war with poland vs russia would be a war with NATO vs russia
@@joshgaston3802 Why do you bring up vehicle losses? HiMARs aren’t very good against vehicles they are better for satic targets. Plus, unless you have infinite missiles Russians will always have more ammo and more artillery which is perfect for a war of attrition. Russians would outlast Poland even if it takes years, not to mention Russia has only gone under partial mobilization, this is not them at their strongest.
You don't need too many reloads per system, if you have enough systems to blow apart 90% of important enemy assets or supply points within the first two or three salvos. I think the idea is if the enemy tries to blitz you with everything, you have the capacity to counter the entire force all at once in just a few days, knocking out all key systems in the attack, while if they do a slow drawn out fight... you can quickly force through the front before they can respond and counter your advance.
Imagine you have two teams of five people with rifles shooting eachother. Now imagine one team gets twenty extra guys, but those guys only have two or three mags to spare each. Those extra numbers are just going to overwelm the other side in very short order regardless.
Thats the point. True.
*Snif snif* Is that a mistake i smell ? 6:03
GDP USA: 25 billion?
GDP Poland 0.7 billion?
You guys mean trillion right
You dropped the units when making your comment, so if they say it's in kilodollars, there's suddenly no mistake.
Two mistakes make a no mistake!
He’s probably talking in old European billions, where
10^6 = million
10^9 = milliard = ‘American’ billion
10^12 = billion = ‘American’ trillion
@@sirrathersplendid4825 Perhaps? Seems more likely it was just a mistake to me though.
@@haph2087 - People still count the way I suggested in large parts of central Europe today.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 yup, 'muricans too dumb to count properly or use real units.
In addition, the Polish Armed Forces purchased two air surveillance aircraft from SAAB, and another two in the near future has been also contracted. Satellite imaging is already added from polish military sattelites, and are expanding, as well as balloons carrying radar near borders. Target acquisition won't be a problem. The only problem will be rocket ammunition with a range longer than 100 km domestically produced.
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You forgot about the most important part - Poland aquired IBCS which cooperates with Himars as well, making 4example GMLRS an adjustable weapon. Another case is that Himars might be transported by air meaning Poland will help USA in their wars with their power. Another case is - Poland wants to be a military power and protection donor, Polish rocket artillery spawned in baltic states means -> moscov and many more valuable targets are in range, with that in mind, moscovia is scre**d.
Which is further provocation for Russia and will invade again into another country, due to NATO expansion and aggression. This action would further then legitimize their actions in Ukraine. Whoever would think this way is blatantly stupid, because Poland would not want to be considered as an aggravator of a major conflict, especially endangering themselves.
They should have built a factory in Poland
As far as I understand from the video, they will.
@@polymorphesquirrel yes, we will be producing chosen american and korean rockets
It was just announced that the ammo factory in my hometown will be producing missiles for both the HIMARS as well as K239.
6:06 - Pretty sure this was meant to say "trillion" not "billion".
Poland is also getting lots of K9 Thunders, so they'll have heaps of rocket & tube arty.
It’s clean France, Germany and Britain haven’t leaned their lesson. Poland gets it.
I think Britain would better off spending on the navy
Poland is on the front line with Russia just across the boarder from Belarus plus it’s looking at future sales to NATO allies as well as other countries.
did they tell them, that you can use those himars again after launch?
But you need to reload, so why bother.
Ukrainian effective use of HIMAR is a really good sale promotional material for the manufacturer.
Poland is going to be producing HIMARS missiles ;)