Comparing Microsoft Flight Simulator to Real Life (Gliders)
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- How does flying gliders in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (MSFS 2020) compare to the real world? Having flown gliders in real life, I've always wanted to compare the experience offered by MSFS2020 to real flying. This video shows my perspective as a real glider pilot.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:31 Winch launch
2:50 Glider physics
5:17 Cockpit and flight
My system specs:
RTX3070
32GB RAM
AMD Ryzen 9 3900
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 - Ігри
HUGE thank you for this comparison review! This community project was made by impatient enthusiasts without any support by MSFS developers, so we faced hundreds of barriers here and there. Fact that it was chosen tells us we reached some success.
You did an amazing job despite any setbacks you faced, looking forward to what you guys do in the future! Your efforts do not go unnoticed!
Great, we bought an MSFS setup for our aviation club last summer and we’ll try this! Sound very promising, thanks for all your efforts!
It must be like using an axe to cut down a red wood.
As a real life retired glider pilot I really appreciate your explanations, because I see too many simmers that have no idea how gliders pilots fly . Well done!
Thanks!
Retired? :(
You'll be pleased to know that in November this year, Gliders will be officially supported by MSFS in its 40th Anniverssary. You will get some highly detailed gliders, with a competely new flight model that has been closely developed with glider manufacturers and real world pilots alike. Really looking forward to it. As things stand, and at the making (uploading of this video) gliders were not supported, and were added by a 3rd party developer. They still did a pretty good job.
EDIT: And Ijust read the pinned comment 😊
but most importantly, the weather system will be updated to be fully support things like thermals which are already in the sim, but really require specific weather presets to generate proper thermals (and fingers crossed they implement the new atmosphere CFD, so that rising air will also cause sinking air)
Landing with speed brake deployed is pretty standard practice in a most fighter jets as it enables the engine to be spooled up, which is where they are more responsive, while also flying slow enough to land
Good point, thanks for this!
Well, it depends on the aircraft in question, some fighter jets are not allowed to land with the airbrake out as it could impact the ground
Great video! I am also a rl glider pilot (from Norway) and I have flown the DG 300 a lot. I love that glider. Extremely agile and great for aerobatics :-) I have subscribed :-)
That's awesome. I'm also a big fan of the DG300, very nimble aircraft. Thanks for your comment!
This is fantastic. Greetings from a fellow glider pilot! - And huge congratulations for the first 1k subscribers! 👍😎
Thank you!
I started gliding when I was 15 in the old Wood and Canvas gliders of the Air Cadets. I really like the gliding in FS-X, there were some good missions. I'm looking forward to seeing gliders in MSFS 2020 later on this year. Great beginners review.
so far I like the gliding in FSX way better than MSFS 2020
Thank you for an absolutely outstanding video. I am going to start flying gliders and I have MSFS2020 so this was very useful.
Thank you! Best of luck with gliding, it will definitely be an adventure!
You make great videos! Also congrats on your 1k subscribers!
Means a lot, thank you!
Great Video. I enjoyed it until the end!
Brilliant video! Really wanna try gliding! 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you!!
Congrats for 1k subs!! Very interesting video, didn't know that gliders could fly that long!
Thanks for sticking around!
Me neither
This is going to blow up. Congratz on 1k. I was here
:) thanks!
We used to fly gliders in the late 1960’s and your video would have been so useful in our early days of learning. Great video. 👍👍
Thank you!
Loved this video, thanks for your thoughts on real world gliding and virtual. This is something that captured my imagination as I have no piloting experience whatsoever and I may very well look into purchasing MSFT FS or maybe even join a flying club (who knows). Cheers
It makes me very happy to hear that I was able to capture your imagination! I would absolutely recommend joining a flying club. Gliding in particular is extremely affordable compared to powered flight. It'll definitely take you on an adventure, that's for sure :)
This is really interesting! I knew nothing about gliders before this. Will definitely be installing the addon. Thanks for the video!
Thank you!
Its not an addon. Its an update.
Better go take a ride in a real one, or even better learn to fly yourself.
dude, you could have just changed my life forever lol, I was affraid of gliders and now I'm absolutely not. And there's glider club nearby!
exacly what i was looking for, but ima use this for real world paragliding and identifying dynamics like rotor and valleywinds.
Excelent video!
Thank you!
This video is amazing ✨
Thank you!
extremely well done!
Thanks a lot!
A follow up video comparing the new MSFS update (Nov 2022) that has gliders would be awesome.
This video just makes me want to buy a glider so bad !!
I think I'll actually buy one
Thank you for an excellent video professional very formative fun and not too long 👏👏👏👏👏 also thanks for the link to download the glider I've liked and subscribed last time I was a passenger in a glider 1969 RAF Waddington gilder pilot was doing thermals above a Vulcan bomber doing a 12hr stationary engine test run on the service pan 😄😄 happy days thanks again 👍
That sounds awesome, the Vulcan was a fantastic aircraft. Thanks for sharing, cheers!
Excellent video!
Thanks!
Don't waste your time trying to fly gliders in a Microsoft product. Condor is far and away better than anything MSFS could ever hope to be in regards to soaring (and many other aspects)
I had no idea there were gliders in MSFS 2020. It looks like a perfect way to enjoy some of the beautiful scenery - especially in VR. Makes a change from the A320! :)
Just being a glider pilot could be a fun hobby while working on 2nd federal job
Student pilot here and hopefully not far off solo. Been toying with the idea of spending up on a decent computer setup and going vr. This looks the goods.
I used the old one to shoot landings at Miggs, downtown Chicago in a lear jet and land a 130 on aircraft carriers. High speed short field landings. It can be done.
I got to learn to fly in ASK-21s at West Malling when I was in the ATC in the '80s - it is an experience I would recommend anyone interested in flying. We would be winched into the air (often rather abruptly!) and immediately head towards Maidstone a short distance away and then up to the top of Blue Bell Hill not much more than 1nm away from Rochester Airport (EGTO). Once there we used the thermals coming off the huge car park of GEC-Avionics (now BAE SYSTEMS) and a few of us would spiral higher and higher, our gliders nearly pivoting on their wingtips and we would then proceed to other parts of Kent.
Who would have thought that less than ten years later I would be employed by GEC-Avionics where I wrote the software for HUDs (C-17, F-5, F-16, Eurofighter) and the fly-by-wire for 777. As for West Malling, well they bulldozed the base of Hurrican No. 32 Squadron in WWII and now it's a housing estate with a handful of roads named after our saviours of the sky during the Battle Of Britain.
I still try and get my gliding hours in as often as possible, albeit in MSFS (in the DG-808, Gotfriends Discus and the AS33, all free from flightsim.to) and X-Plane in VR - but I'll never forget the thrill and excitement that gliding gave me all those years ago.
What a brilliant and inspiring story, thank you for sharing!
@@FlyByMax I just did a nice Alpine flight in VR in the DG-808, it was the first time I've done what I would consider a "proper glider flight" in MSFS of any worthwhile duration. It was watching this video that gave me the inspiration and the necessary "kick-up-the-arse" to get some proper glider flights under my belt and into my virtual log book.
I'd not tried the 808 with Kinetic Assistant before and didn't know about the "Soaring" weather profiles it provides, so I used the "Alps Summer" profile for this inaugural flight.
I got DEM data for the Swiss, German, Austrian and Italian Alps by "Troglodytus" available via flightsim.to as separate downloads for each area as well as the MSFS 2020 Google Map Replacement app also from there.
I flew a scenic 110nm route overflying a number of castles and landmarks. Starting at LSZS I headed northeast towards Scuol, east to Nauders, then south over lake Reschensee and down to Hof am Schloss then east to Merano and finally to LIPB at Bolzano.
It really was a very enjoyable flight in many ways and I could have gone on for much longer.
I've uploaded the flight plan I used in Littlenavmap to my Google Drive if you are interested, link is below and the file is "VFR Samedan (LSZS) to Bolzano (LIPB)"
drive.google.com/drive/folders/171RX5y6EpqC_iEz3BjS0s0PiskcQo2Sa?usp=sharing
So thanks for the inspiration to get back into gliding for the first time in over 35 years - albeit simulated and in VR - I just need to slide the window back, get a fan pointed into my face and I'd swear I wouldn't know the difference! 😉
I too flew at West Malling with the ATC but in the 70's in Slingsby Cadet TX Mark 3's. No chance of thermal hunting with them; the best we could achieve on a good day was to do 270 degree turns instead of 90's in the circuit and perhaps throw in a 360 on the downwind leg for good measure. After two check flights with the CFI, who had flown Mustang fighters during World War II, I did three solos and acquired my A & B certificates.
@@GrahamNicholson56 Unfortunately West Malling was bulldozed and a bloody great housing estate stuck over it, the only indication it was ever there are a handful of road names such as Hurrican, Spitfire, Meteor etc. Which ATC squadron was you in, I was 2158 Sevenoaks when I lived in Borough Green and have many great memories of gliding in the ASK-21s and exercises in Merryworth Woods. 😉
Good news, Asobo has announced gliders are coming later this year.
Nice!
Like you, I've been a pilot since I was a teenager, but in powered aircraft. I soloed a plane before I drove on my own, actually. I've been thinking about getting my glider rating for years and even though I know it doesn't cost too much and won't take very long to add the rating to my pilot license, things always come up that prevent me from investing in it. Hopefully soon though! It's far cheaper than renting (or owning) a single engine aircraft!
I've found that I could, and did, learn a lot about flying from MSFS. However I stopped using MSFS after I started actually flying an airplane. To me the actual plane is much easier to fly than using the simulator.
What makes you say that?
@@RegularItemShow i have difficulty landing in MSFS. Rudder behavior isn't easy to use. Even after calibrating and changing profiles. Same aircraft in real life is smoother and my landings are usually quite good.
In both cases I'm flying a tail dragger.
@@RegularItemShow The same thing that makes me say driving is easier in the real world.
I would have loved to see more gameplay
And gliders aren't even officially supported yet by MSFS and major update addressing gliders is in the works so it will only get better than this! There is also a new CFD flight physics simulation system, which is basically what X-Plane uses but in much higher fidelity and much, much more interaction with the surrounding environment/wind.
Great video. Are you using a VR headset?
Thanks! Unfortunately not.
Great Video ! +1 Subscriber
Thank you!
Cool video
Could you do an in depth video on flaps. Which flap to use in which situation? Would be great. Thx.
Thanks for the suggestion! Not entirely sure if I could make an entire video on it, but I'm going to consider this.
@@FlyByMax thx
any plans to do a video on the discus-2c addon?
I loved this.
Means a lot, thank you!
Good video. I started flying the ASK-21 on xplane and will try this one of MSFS 2020. I have to agree with you that flight model wise, xplane still better.
I agree, the physics of the X-Plane is better, aerodynamics is much simpler there, there is no simulation of air flows in local areas, there is no CFD, and of course there is no simulation of self-oscillations, almost Roblox, for children the most.
remember my Instructor when I was 15 back im the 90s..he said. "Stop jerking with the stick back and forth, the plane doesn't react to such small and fast movements "
Ive flown a glider too and here at LKKL we use mainly winch, and it really feels like youre a paper plane beeing thrown, afterall, the mechanics of paper plane are entirely the same if you take it simple enough
I am a retired Full Diamond, Full Cat Instructor with around 2250 Hours. I loved your video and really enjoy the simulation, but.. and mines a big one, the cable break exercise on the Microsoft simulator you are flying forever to land, the glide seems to be impossibly long and the airbrakes seem pretty in effective. How do you fell about this? I have to say that, due to age and infirmity, I have not flown for quite a few years now.
Great vid! The F-14 Tomcat also landed with airbrake deployed. :)
Also the F-16 Falcon - you will find it is pretty standard practice in a most fighter jets as it enables the engine to be spooled up, which is where they are more responsive, while also flying slow enough to land.
Very good point. Completely forgot about that!
Thank you for the video, really enjoyed it. Now it makes me want to fly a glider 😃😃😃
You should really check it out! It's a lot cheaper than normal planes :)
@@FlyByMax I live in the UK, is it available here? Also I studied aerospace engineering by the way, due to covid it's been difficult to get an engineering job, so currently working at Amazon. I am interested in aviation as a leisure, any ideas?
Cool that you did aerospace! I'd recommend you take a look at your local glider clubs. If you find one close by and have the time for it (usually one full day on a weekend), it's a fantastic and cheap way to do some AWESOME flying. If you're lucky you'll also be surrounded by some excellent people to share the hobby with as well. Take the leap if you can, you won't regret it. There are some legendary pilots and engineers who started out as glider pilots.
@@FlyByMax Thank you so much man for the advice. 🙏🙏🙏 I really appreciate it. Definitely I will check it out. I wish you all the best in your career and I hope this channel grows big, because you put so much effort. ☺️
Even though I'm on Xbox (people seem to be overly critical of a flight "simulator" on console), I absolutely love it.
I'm super excited for helicopters especially!
Actually the criticality comes from consolers thinking flight sims are boring. Not from flight simmers being pissy about it being on a console. Which would be a dumb thing to be pissed off about.
Please keep in mind that MSFS has not yet had gliders added to it. Those are coming later this year along with helicopters, so in essence what you are flying is more of a scripted glider on rails than a glider that is actually responding to the atmosphere. Sure it goes up with updrafts but that is more because the coding in the glider tells it to rather than the wings reacting directly to the air. The current helicopters are the same way, they use an external program to force the helicopter to fly like it should rather than the simulator actually simulating the helicopter. So, this is a good glider in that it is one of the only ones out there but it's not actually "flying" in the simulated environment but having its flight dynamics injected into the simulator from outside.
I hope MSFS will introduce Paragliders someday. I'd like to practice thermals there as well.
nice
Does any glider manufacturer build flying wing gliders with bell shaped lift distribution to get proverse yaw, or is that not done anymore?
Nice! I fly gliders in real life too! The ones I fly are older tho like 1950's (Around about) they don't have radios anymore Lol!
That's awesome! I've flown the Schleicher K8 a lot, which is also from the 50's. We strapped a handheld radio to the side of the cockpit :)
cool! I think I fly an ask 13 not 100% sure however (Also Nice fix for no radio😆)
Do they have a scenario where you fly on flat ground, seeking thermals
Thanks for the video. I have a x box with the MSFS2020, but I cannot find the gliders. Can you help me. I understand there is gliders in the MSFS 2020 in the PC version, but what about the Xbox?
Thankyou for your time.
I don't know much about the XBOX version. Is there maybe a marketplace where you can buy additional aircraft? You might find a glider there. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks interesting that the sim has working slope soaring. ObsidianAnts review of the update about a week ago had Asobo confirming this Sim does Not have a thermals system….? Laurie ex glider pilot…
It doesn't have thermals by default, you need to use addons for that :)
The Lauch is 2 - 3 min? Holy... how long is your cable?
Here in Germany it take between 30 and 50 seconds....
First yellow ball then trim the Aircraft....
What was the airport in the simulation? It looks like Trento?
Is it possibly to Soar durning the winter months? I am seriously thinking about getting my glider pilot license - USA
Depends on location. I think most clubs in Europe set aside some time for maintenance during winter.
i subcribed you when you were at 130 subs!
Thanks for still being here!
i’ve flown a glider before but it freaks me out that if anything happens i don’t have an engine to get out
awsome
Thank you!
At 5:48, is the framework installed under the canopy an anti intrusion type device for power lines/ fences as well as strengthening the canopy?
The frame in one of the canopies is a fence wire deflector. There were mandated in the Netherlands. Many out-landings there have to be done on meadows, not on fields because in many areas there are not a lot of them are not availabe. The electric fences which are used to sub-divide meadows are virtually invisible, and the wire cut through the canopy like butter and literally chopped the head of the pilot off.
@@kaihorstmann2783 one of my concerns if the circumstances present themself. The design looks well incorporated into the canopy and not too intrusive. Thank you for the reply
Wait , how to add pilot model on cockpit view???
Do you need to use corresponding stick and rudder in the sim like irl?
Yes! Adverse yaw is modelled properly :)
i would like to see this kind of video in xplane as i am an xplane user and xplane comes with a glider. and even better if oyu did it in xplane 12 once it releasces :)
Thanks for your comment! I might do it again with X-Plane 12, good suggestion
I learned to fly in a T21 with the gliding characteristics of a brick 😛 Great fun though 😘
The reason they couldn't understand you on the radio is because you probably had burrito's the night before.
Could you compare Condor to real life gliding?
Good to see MSFS cares about soaring. I love all that brilliant eye candy! But most important or me are clouds connected to a vertical airflow. As far as I know only (the ugly) Condor-2 offers thermals indicated by clouds.
That's a very good point. Condor's aerodynamics are also fantastic, and I think they simulate waves(?). Thanks for your comment!
Or FSX with Cumulus X
@@FlyByMax Yes. Condor 2 simulates waves.
are thermals modelled in MSFS2020?
There are plugins for it, although thermals don't necessarily line up with cumulus clouds (last time I checked).
you should compare to Condor sailplane simulator instead.
try condor soaring program
8:39 that is innsbruck right?
I think you may be referring to a different timestamp? 8:39 is north of Belgium :) the footage of the alps is LSZS Samedan
Im a powered pilot. And i gotta say gliding looks like a ton of fun!
I can definitely recommend it :)
Can you compare gliders simulations in different simulators? does condor or x-plane do it “better” than msfs?
I'd say condor is the best in terms of how it does updrafts, as well as aerodynamics (I believe it was developed by glider pilots). X-Plane is currently a little lacking in terms of thermals, but the flight model of its gliders is pretty good. MSFS looks the best and does an okay job with the physics, but I'd say the others are better. :)
what area of the world are you flying here within the simulator? it looked rather familiar to me.
Samedan (in the alps) and north-Belgium
Thanks mate, from Oz. 👍😎🇦🇺
Thanks!
in agust msfs will add gliders to the game and make the physics more true to life when it comes to gliders
Winch launch ARE terrifying.
Can someone tekl.me how to takr off with the glider in msfs?
Ive been in a real world glider about 3 to4 times.Only tried out a simulator with X-plane 12 and its quite difficult staying in the air for longer. Not sure how X-plane gliders compare with MSFS.
How to get gliders available ? It is getting available with downloading addons only ?
I believe so!
What airport are you flying at in minute 5:58?
LSZS Samedan!
Mountain wave flying?
02:00 you have to physically look at your wings to see if you're still wings level? Why don't gliders have an artificial horizon/attitude indicator, like every other aircraft on the planet?
if you really wanted to you could go back over a decade to fsx and try out its gliders
forgot to mention this glider has a lil jet engine in it
From flying gliders in FSX vs MSFS and seeing and confirming what others say online...the glider is not properly modeled in MSFS....it seems difficult to catch thermals and gain altitude in MSFS 2020 for some reason....and others have said the same thing. I'm curious to see a more in-depth video of someone comparing real life and MSFS and even FSX too ...I remember having a much easier time in FSX gliding.
Why do glider pilots so often fly with parachutes? The risk of collision is equally as deadly in powered flight but its almost unheard of for a pilot to fly with a parachute unless they are doing military or aerobatic flight.
Because we aggregate under thermals, and it gets crowded very quickly. We fly at low speed, high angle of bank, close to each other. Perfect conditions for spins or not seeing someone that is also in the thermal with you. We can be up to 20, 30 gliders in the same thermal during competitions, and likelihood of mid air collision is higher than powered "straight line" flying.
Without wearing a parachute I could not answer to your post now.
Once again Xplane was mentioned.
how can you fly a glider, a plane that requires thermal uplift over the alps???????
In the alps we have other things like hangwinds(air pushed up the mountain) and waves(very rare, they form in the lee side of mountains and can get you to am altitude of up to 27km)
I just want to soar in MSFS without needing mountains :(
Condor 2 is far better at modelling the flight dynamics and lift components, although I believe FS2020 is a great improvement on the somewhat tame FSX which I also have. I was a glider pilot from 1985 until 1997.
I’ve tried it in all 3 sims you mention, and I stick to Condor 2. MSFS is just too much of a graphics priority sim without the base physics required. It’s also too stutters and jerky, microstutters are a real pain, they are obvious in your video here at all times. Good comparison though.
Yeah they only care about vfr and graphics not physics
3:41 RJ100 be like
6:56 O_O
I wouldn't know because the game won't launch on steam and I had to get a refund lol, I can play all games on ultra but that wont launch
In Germany with special approval you can start at the age of 13 like i did
No longer needed. Rules are harmonised in Europe by EASA. The only hard age limits are 14 for solo supervised flight as part of the training, and 16 for the full unrestricted license. You can start flight training in a two-seater with a trainer before 14 without special permission.
However flight clubs and schools take a closer look at the maturity of a student before they allow starting at 13.