It's actually really common in Korea. It's so prevalent that there was a hashtag started called Hakpok, similar to metoo, calling for the justice for the victims of bullying. There's also a statue of limitations for bullying so most people would not be able to get closure legally.
You should look up the Samsung family in South Korea. South Korea has a lot going with cotporate corruption and societal hierarchy. I think this story is in a way commenting on that, just very poorly.
@@tytytyty5659wtf you mean bully manga were a thing before lookism author was in his father balls,and there are so much better and shorter bully manhwa without superpower
The closest thing for a redemption arc is succedding and then realizing its own mistakes, then living the rest of its days being haunted by those moments
Because of his failure I want someone to make an anti hero story with the bully as the main character this is because his death is never fully shown and he could be used to point out stuff like how he betrays the parent's wish for justice
One of the things I love about Berserk is how the narrative makes it clear that the super edgy, uncaring, "Black Swordsman" version of Guts is not something to aspire to - that was Guts at his lowest. We gradually see Guts regain his humanity again as he makes new allies and finds reasons for living beyond just revenge. The world of Berserk is still brutal and disturbing, but that doesn't stop the characters from becoming better versions of themselves over time.
All edgy revenge Manga/Manhwa are basically Berserk. But : 1. It was Guts who became a Godhand during the eclipse 2. Griffith sacrafice the Band when he isn't crippled and just want power 3. The only part of Golden Age Arc are the Eclipse 4. Casca got killed and Guts married Farnese 5. The slug count is just a psycopath with no backstory 6. Griffith constantly failed after Guts left
This, whats sad is that as berserk got more popular you see lots of artists get inspired by that but completely miss that point and the complexity of Berserk's more gray world. And just make the edgiest shit possible.
we also quickly see that the black swordsman persona is just that, a persona. It's a mask he wears to not get himself hurt, to make himself that he's uncaring. Which is is very apparent at the end of the black swordsman arc where he starts to break down after being confronted by the count's daughter. And as the story progress we get to see how human he is in reality
Listening to this video while multitasking mid way through sounds like he is describing a Godzilla anime where the people attacking Godzilla are rich bullies.
@@andrewacacia9851 it's like if Superman commits a crime, you gonna stop him? Because unless you're Batman who had the resources and time to have multiple failsafes in case of an evil superman scenario, Alfred's head, or have even a scrap of kryptonite at your disposal, you're f*cked
I'm saying. This could've been an awesome story about a guy losing his morality and turning into a monster as he's literally starting to do even worse things than his bullies ever did, but alas... more revenge power fantasy slop for the pile
It's just me that found Seyoung's design a comedic masterpiece? I mean, i can't see any panel that he's in and don't giggle at least a bit. He's a fucking emo hair hulk build type of guy that is like 5 meters tall using the most generic ass clothing ever made holding an generic big ass sword like a madman. This is a comedic gem.
Honestly making the main character a terrifying huge hulking mass of muscles coud have been a great metaphor at how his lust for vengeance turned him into a monster in a better story well at least every panel he's next to a normal person is fucking hilarious
fr, this story could've been way better if the protagonist was shown to become more monstrous both physically and mentally as the story progressed to symbolise his desire for revenge consuming him, it would also allow the story to start off with stakes in the beginning where he's fighting gangsters while barely being able to carry the sword and shift towards his success being the stakes. maybe imply the sword is manipulating him into doing it's bidding by encouraging his malice, slowly broadening the goal of his revenge from bringing the bullies to justice, to killing them, to killing their families, to killing anyone that gets in his way, to killing everyone.
@@PihsrosnecI've always loved stories that turn their protsgonists into the villains. Honestly if it ended with Seyoung realizing the monster he's become, and accepting a death sentence or something, it would have resolved so much better.
@@Pihsrosnecokumm heres the thing...NOT EVERY MANGA has to have this deep meaning Some people enjoy a revenge manga no more no less not this mentalbreak down of what revenge is and what it means and blablabla Point is sometimes its ok to be fucking simple
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 I mean yeah not every story needs a deep meaning they're just saying how they would've improved it. It's ok to enjoy a simple revenge manga though this isn't the best place to say that since this video is about a story that justifies atrocities and encourages it in it's messaging.
Manwha in general is 1 of 4 1) power fantasy where the bullied kid becomes powerful and or handsome 2) porn 3) porn but gay 4)one of the most refreshing stories you have ever read , with deep characters and a plot that has you by the balls
Asian society is kinda one way or another is kinda like dad. In our country we have a joke saying: " You doesn't need to try hard, your dad is enough "
It doesn't sound half bad. I'd like a series where parents are basically sidekicks, and got some kind of special power that only their kids can help them use. That sounds fucking hilarious, and could be built on in some interesting ways. I started tearing up imagining a story arc involving an adopted child who learns to fight alongside their new parents...
The sentiment of resentment for the most privileged high class in South Korea is a common trope in manhwa. There are many stories about children of CEOs being treated like royalty, and what happens when you cross these corporate overlords. This manhwa takes this resentment to a new level...
Too bad instead of channeling that into worthwhile anti-capitalist criticism like Parasite, media like this just says you should murder people randomly with no nuance
@@razumskiy ...killing thousands of innocent people in the process? Nah, that shit ain't logical, that is straight up evil. You need a scalpel with that typa stuff, and this "story" designs a bigger sledgehammer than every sledgehammer before, sturggles to lift it for a year, then uses the super sledgehammer to shatter the whole thing.
That's because south korea is a government controlled by what ever business makes the most money, like residents of South Korea have compared it as a worse life than north korea
Lowkey Da Hun is him literally going up against EVERYONE the viewers, the main character even the author manliest character in the entire series by far
This is the first time i would accept the ending where the protagonist wakes up from the coma and realizes everything that just happened was a dream and he doesnt have legs
like he wakes up and the found the sword and wants to make his dream real but the sword just tell him "nah you are too edgy" and the sword flies and dissapear infront of him
I read a manhwa in an apocoliptic setting and MC's main goal was to find his wife and child. He'd struggle and he had a female friend that had a crush on him. Every few chapters I'd see people in the comments call him a wuss, saying he shoud get with that hot girl, and they hope his family is dead because MC would rather think ahead instead of fighting all the time. It was messed up, some people just want power trip fantasies and hate anything else
who yeah i remembered a Manwha like that. i think you are talking about HIVE. i do remember the comments calling him a wuss cuz he wants to know if his family is alive instead of banging that hot girl. i was like "wtf just read the story" there was another where the readers was getting annoyed when the mc didn't show up after 20 chaps while the story was laying down its ground foundation and getting annoyed on how not overpowered he is. thats all i noticed. btw i coments was 5 years old. so things may have changed.
ugh the typical manhwa reader the story is clear and hell the mc motive is more powerful and brave, calling him a wuss for being a actual great father who willing to risk his own life in order to reunited with his family is crazy
@@cloak679 that is what have been bothering me with manhwa readers they just can't seems to be patience for anything as an artist seeing the creator dedication to kept going even after getting scream by the "fan" and harassed non stop over schedule and time of upload is truly commendable
The 8 bullies are as hilariously and unnecessarily evil as the league of evil exes from scott pilgrim, the main difference being that scott pilgrim recognises that it's hilarious and spends its entire runtime talking about how absurd it is and also how weird scott pilgrim himself is
At least the exes have lives outside of picking on Scott. Hell, minus Gideon and Matthew they've all moved on from being with Ramona and seem to just be doing this for a paycheck.
@@jordanloux3883Even that, in Takes Off, Gideon quickly realizes that the League was a stupid idea, and they just become a normal friend group, just all with the commonality of being Ramona's exes.
@@jordanloux3883and when they don’t, their obsession with Scott is part of the joke- the anime especially draws a lot of humour from being self aware about how weird the idea of a league dedicated to fighting one person in
They aren't "bullies", they are mafia thugs. What is ridiculous is that the manga calls organized crime "bullying". Bullying is harassing people, not gang activity or beating people to near death. It's like calling school shootings bullying just because it happens in school.
@@fuzonzord9301 But the MC doesn't care about taking down organized crime or corruption in South Korea. He wants to kill his bullies and their families for strictly personal reasons.
For anyone who complains that a character is a "Mary Sue" without knowing what that term actually means, show them this comic. THIS is what a Mary Sue is. All powerful, never challenged, and the story warps around them to make them the hero, even when they don't deserve it.
Literally able to dogde bullets and go against tanks bc he works out and become an orc looking guy, the reaching this author did probably make his brain sore everytime finish drawing each chapter 😂
There is a deep, down right comical irony in the protagonist because of them becoming the sort of person who he sought to destroy and being totally unaware of it. Being granted a privilege only he really gets to have and use that makes him damn near untouchable to everyone else and using it *exclusively* to get what he wants which is a almost primal need to hurt others at the cost to any and everyone around him regardless of how much they might actually deserve it. It's like a Greek tragedy about the cycle of violence and the unfortunate nature of human moral justification that's unaware that that is what it is.
@@solosolo8610 You know I was gonna try and explain how that line of thinking quickly falls apart once you consider the level of collateral damage he causes, intentionally or not, on countless innocent civilians directly through his action without a single ounce of guilt, empathy, or real care just for his own personal satisfaction. Then I saw how you've basically been doing nothing but caping for this series's backwards sense of morality in the replies of other comments here and realized your just a sad person with a immature outlook on life and not much else to do. You could have done literally anything else in that time more productive then go to bat for poorly written revenge porn yet that's what you chose. Anyway, I'm just gonna safely assume you're the type of person who agrees with the people at the end of the video who commented about how the MC should have SA'd the female bullies and kept them as slaves and consider you a lost cause not worth engaging with further.
I only read a few chapters, but didn't he only kill those who were responsible for his near death and the death of his parents? I mean wouldn't your argument basically mean that prisons shouldn't exist because the state uses power to take away the rights of people by locking them? I mean it sounds awful when you put it that way, but then you realize that the people they locked up did horrible things to begin with.
@@ovidiudante The video points out *several times* in the story past the first few chapters how his actions directly hurt and endanger innocent people who had nothing to do with the situation or people just trying to do the right thing in their eyes like protecting a crying teenage girl from a hulking murder monster as far as they know. The whole 'he's only going after the bad guys' argument falls apart once you get countless innocent and/or morally decent people killed for your own petty revenge and don't even care. That's a *little* different than saying prisons should exist.
They say an authors story is influenced by their current state of life and mind. Yoshihiro Togashi when writing Yu Yu Hakusho began to change his style of story writing from a light hearted action comedy to a much more serious and dark style of writing the moment he started to develop his back pains. I can only imagine what the hell was going on in this author’s mind, or going on in his life when writing this Manwha…
Yoshiyuki Tomino is a fantastic example. You can see how different his mindset is between all the different Gundam series he helmed, along with things like Ideon (OH BOY HE WASN'T FEELING GREAT WHEN HE DID THAT ONE) and King Gainer.
It’s not hard to guess what the author was thinking. He had an interaction with a chaebol that had a significant negative influence on either his life or mental state, and feels like the chaebol never got recourse for their actions. He’s been letting that fester for a while and wrote ts to vent
In the beginning the MC was shown to be smart. The fact that he managed to hack the chat and the fact that he collected data on his bullies. I hoped that after he trained he would use both his newfound strength AND his intelligence to force his bullies into situations that they are exposed to the world as bad guys and killing only if necessary. Instead we have senseless massacre with only his strength.
uhhh I think its called "Juvenile Offender" but its kind of like that. Bullied kid gets revenge with wits and physical combat, whichever one fits best at the time usually both.
@@WThroat I recently found "HellCraft" and it's essentially everything I wanted from "Rooftop Swordmaster" but actually got it. The protagonist is actually smart, so are "bad guys" and most other characters. There is a moment where the MC and his allay decide to leave when they can eliminate their target because they already got information and attacking prematurely would reveal them.
Yeah. All those people hyping the MC up in the comments are prolly victims of bullying. Sad and pathetic instead of standing up and fighting for themselves they're having to escape like THIS.
As a victim of bullying, I can sympathize with him. Sometimes the anger is so strong you just feel like throwing your life away to get any king of revenge. of course you shouldn't do that, but the urge is real and it's interesting to see someone just expressing this anger
@@victoriacecilia3926and when you try and tell someone about the bullying it’s always bent around and seen as your fault and that’s why they always go nuts
@@smart-ass8518And someday they stop being sad and pathetic, and become school shooters, think about it you smartass, I'm pretty sure we all prefer them to stuck into some fantasy than to actually act, so stf
I can imagine,watching someone not only get bullied to hell and back,but also ending up becoming even more irredeemable than their bullies can’t be good
As a bully victim who wasnt beaten up but insulted, The last bully was a fucking goat. Imagine if his dad came in and they tried to jump him. If this was turned into an animated series the dad and son would be 🐐's.
@@BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta Ow! Stop waving all that edge around! (seriously, it's a small side; only a quarter of abuse victims, at maximum, go on to abuse others; trying to claim all violence comes from other abuse is a transparent responsibility dodge.)
The creator surely suffered bullying and this is his way of venting. Childish imaginary over-the-top scenarios where he can project himself doing what he believes is right.
Honestly this manwha would be so much better if it was even remotely tongue in cheek about it's plot and was an actual back and forth between the MC and villains
You know that quote "Billie Eilish makes music for girls who call themselves psycho but are too afraid to ask for extra ketchup in a restaurant"? That's the energy I get from the wannabe edge lords in the comment section of the manwah.
Thats very true . But i recognised there two kind of Edgelords that i met and see often . I call them Over-edgers and the fun-edgers . Over-edgers are those you described perfectly . Shy , has no balls , socially incompetent most of the time . But when they open up , you get the insight how they are most of the time filled up with this rage and cant vent out in any form or shape except the really over the top edgy stuff . often they try to be as dark brooding and badass too but it falls flat on its face that its very laughable . Then we have the Fun-edgers which likes edgy stuff and are really fun people to hang out . Because they dont take this edgy stuff so serious. I love edgy stuff and even this manwha is the right schlock to laugh about for me because it goes off the rails and just ends up being an entertaining train-wreck to embrace . Its just absurdity at its finest and not dangerous at all .
"I fight until the blood takes the spear from my grasp, until I can only crawl. And even then, you will not defeat me, even then, I will spit in your face!" - pantheon
A rewrite that gives da gun justice. Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends. Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
Tbh, it'd would have felt more hype, if it wasnt cause this video tries so hard to crap on the series. Honestly felt more cringey to me than anything as a result.
im surprised people say that without a second thought. They need to pull up there manhwa comment history during a job interview and be like "this you? Explain why you wrote this".
This manhwa actually unintentionally showcases some of the biggest social problems in Korean society - bullying, isolation, nepotism and wealth disparity.
That's literally a whole ass genre of manhwa tho. almost Every single park Tae Jun manhwa goes into that topic and they usually do it well and focus on the Mc becoming a better person and overcoming the bullying, not a serial killer. Even juvenile offender where the Mc only lives for revenge has 10 times more tact than this shit. Point being this topic has been addressed in manhwa 10000 times and a lot better than here.
What it does unintentionally is show what these problems can do to people subjected to them. Because the author clearly wanted to show "the proper way" to combat those problems
I still don't believe this was made to convince anyone reading this that: "senseless murder good" nor is that the case for any other revenge fantasy, it is just a revenge fantasy not a guidebook on how to live your life.
@@guyinaroom7771 as clarified in the video, the series is so poorly written and hollow that the only feasible reason you would ever unironically enjoy it is if you genuinely agreed with the main character and wanted to see him succeed. The series doesn’t offer any kind of tension or drama beyond that. It’s just a prolonged sequence of the bullies trying and failing to do anything to the mc, the mc corners them, they piss themselves and cry before they die, rinse and repeat for the entire series. There are stories that we aren’t supposed to think the mc is right and they aren’t trying to say he’s justified, but those usually get around it with drama, stakes and moral ambiguity, this has none of that, it just has “watch a guy effortlessly murder anyone who wrongs him”.
@@tropicturtle9021 You genuinely believe someone reading it for the cool art, hype and violence cares about it being well written? It is indeed the same thing over and over again, yes the characters don't behave like real people, that is because it is a generic revenge fantasy. Your entire point stands on the premise that it is literally impossible for someone to enjoy something for what it was made for. You're going into a bike store and are upset that they have no burgers.
@@guyinaroom7771I have to apologize, but you're either being naive or obfuscating because you're guilty. Both Ledger's Joker and Phoenix's Joker are two of the best characters whose fanbases exemplify what the other guy is describing. And at least one of those Jokers was proved wrong in the end by the story he was in, and he still attracted the kind of fans the other comments is describing. To pretend like they don't exist, or like they wouldn't make up most of the fanbase for a series like this, is like I said either naivety or obfuscation.
@@blanktrigger8863 Yup, psychopaths interpret entertainment in a psychopathic way, that is indeed the case. This isn't any more harmful than other pieces of entertainment like it. The only thing that could change my mind is finding out about the nature of the author's intention. Until then, I'll assume it was a dude who wanted to create some hype artwork. But please, let's not act like reading rooftop swordsmaster or anything like it is gonna convince anyone clapping innocent people for no reason is good unless they already believed that beforehand.
Man, it's strange how this is like a whole subgenre of it's own, I remember a while ago reading a manga of a boy whom his parents got killed by his bullies and his little brother was left on a coma, so he trains with his ex military grandpa and tortures and kills everyone of them, also another manga where the same happens but this time is the kid who dies and his mother kills his bullies
I know exactly which two you are talking about. The first one dragged on up to it's latest chapter (I'm just reading till it's finished), and the second one's pretty good since it's just starting. (1: Juujika No Rokunin (2: Maria no Danzai
@@thebadger622Maria no Danzai is just the same, but there is no supernatural garbage. The kids are still the same one dimensional losers, the story still seems to portray Maria as morally right, even if that's not the author's intention. Although here I feel it's due to the lack of experience on the author's side, rather than them being a revenge fetishizing edgelord. So far there's like 15 chapters out, so I can't say how it would turn out in the future, but two of the five children that are already dead have barely been fleshed out.
This is like "The boxer" but written by someone who unironically would make himself the Chad and his opponents the soyjack (everyone besides himself being the soyjack) 💀
@Rondart Light’s initial motive could be argued to be good or bad depending on your moral philosophy. However, he stopped being the good guy as soon as he made the decision to kill Lind L Taylor, someone he believed was innocent, just because they said he was evil. Doing something for the greater good does not make you good.
Even if you hadn't said this story was a manwha, I would've been able to tell this story was korean just from the plot lol. SOOOO many of their power-fantasy stories are DRENCHED in so much nihilism and hatred of humanity, I can't stand it. Every human is either a selfish narcissist, or a "pure" teenage love interest.
@@Zyaphu People look at me like I am crazy when I say I would rather live in North Korea than South, but it's the ONLY sane decision if you look at the facts. South korea is a TERRIBLE place to live.
I've read a lot of manwha, and the MC being bullied is such a common trope, it made me wonder if Korea has a huge problem with bulling in school or something.
They do actually. It's actually horrible some of the things they do to each other. If you look it up, you can see numerous headlines over and over again
There’s a reason for this, they follow Confucianism to a fault in their society. While it has honorable traits and conservative values, the part where you honor your elders is taken literally. The part where you have to do whatever an older person says, meaning if an upperclassman bullies you or anyone a little older than you bullies you, you’re not supposed to do shit about it. I know how this sounds but it’s a real thing.
Yeah, school violence or bullying is way more than it is out in the west, to the point in some cases that the perpetrators would be tried as adults in the west. It’s a lot more than simple harassment like in the west usually.
@@joshhale9355 That sounds awful, I wonder if it's tied to the pressure of having to preform good in school and get good grades. I know getting good grades is a big deal in Korea, to the extent that after school, a lot of students go to more school.
I think the author is completely aware of what he is doing because very early on, the author shows that while everyone initially is sympathetic, but then view the MC as a complete villain after civilians and law enforcement start getting killed. Everyone fears him because to them, he is a murderous monster. The author sprinkles in moments of realization for the MC, ultimately ending the season with his gf getting critically injured. If anything, it is clear that the MC is portrayed as a villain purely by his expressions and the way he relishes his revenge. If you view it through another lense, it's essentially the set up for a villain. I honestly don't really agree the video for that reason.
@@HyvexxI'm so happy to finally see one comment that I completely agree with. This UA-camr's interpretation of the story is vastly different from the way I remember it. I dropped it maybe around Ch 30-40 something bc I could see it was becoming just "Hulk with sword beats ppl up" so it got boring. If THAT was the only criticism here, that it's a shallow revenge/power fantasy, then I'd get it. But the way this guy talks about it is so bizarre, it's not as bad as he makes it out to be, and the worst thing is that if I hadn't already read some chapters many years ago, I might have easily believed everything this dude said.
@@Hyvexx Broski, ANY TIME someone says "It may be legitimately dangerous" it's a dog whistle. And I mean ANY TIME. It even got your usual "I love X, I even love X more hardcore than this, but this X is problematic". Like bruh, at best you can call this simply bad trauma dumping comic, and I'd agree with you, I'd never read this sh*t. Of course author is trying to justify it somewhat, since after all it's reflection of himself and bla bla you know the quote "Every villain is a hero in their own story", you can even critique that, you can critique the boring story, you can critique the over the top villains that are down right bad. And you'd be right! This is some low level sh*t and shouldn't be popular on that basis. However, moment you start talking about "This might actually promote school shooters" you've lost my attention. I'd rather hear concerned Baptist soccer mom complain about DnD and consider her points more carefully about how it's a gateway to Satanism than this video, and the soccer mom would actually have more point than this.
Ideologically, he did. A comedically overpowered, godlike monster of revenge comes for you and brutally maims you in the first attack... and you take a swing anyway and spit in its face while it chokes the remaining life out of you. That's far more character than the actual main character showed.
Who’s up for a little story? When the Internet witnesses one of the worst stories ever written, Da Hun reveals himself, first as a brutal bully. As a bully, he uses his power to inflict pain on a soon-to-be GOD MODE GARY STU, and then he dies by the GOD MODE GARY STU’s hands, slowly and painfully. However, mere seconds after the final blow, Da Hun returns, this time as a great hero in our hearts.
@@ekulerudamuru Yep. I altered the Razgriz story into an epic about how an author writing a really bad revenge fantasy accidentally turned the last guy on his hit list into a hero in the eyes of saner readers!
@@l0rfyeah, he's in a completely reversed situation where the shoe is on the other foot, and instead of taking it like the mc did, he fought back He showed how much of a coward he was
If the author wanted to give the bullies a reason to be so obsessed with Se’Young, then all he had to do was have one of them be petty and want to take revenge (and then gets himself killed), another follows afterwards to try and smooth things over and push things under the rug, then the rest of them team up for self-defense
I think being acused of second degree murder, and then be proven guilty not once, but twice is quite a reason to hate him. This guy didn't show it, but in the manga is shown all the backlash the people had on them, to the point that none of them managed to make a single friend in 3 years (except for two yakuzas), they literally were known as murderers in other countries, that why they were complaining that the last year were hell.
The bullies did start bullying Se'Young for a petty reason. Namely, Se'Young was too slow in leaving a room and got in one of the yakuza bully's' way. So they started to bully him for that reason, with it mostly just being typical hazing stuff. But then a pretty, rich girl joined school, rejected one of the bullies when he tried to ask her out, and befriended Se'Young despite being the local outcast/playtoy. The abuse intensified since then, with them now bullying the girl too. Until Se'Young got in the way and tried to defend said girl, resulting into him getting beaten up to the point he got crippled. Then the story with the parents happened, girl got practically erased from the records, and the rest is history.
@@JoeScmoe-g9y he also didn't show that the MC's gf got severely wounded in a fight, leaving him to think if about his actions and how it's his fault that his loved ones are in danger.
@@SamElZombie I mean, what does any of that actually change though? So he considered that maybe his actions are a bit bad... but then doesn't stop or change in any way? So what's the point of those scenes then? The dude still does all the heinous shit. If someone goes on a murder spree, partway through said spree feels a little bad, but continues to commit murders, we don't suddenly say "well hey, they aren't actually that bad, maybe they were justified" because that would be stupid.
He is basically the protagonist of most martial arts webnovels. A sociopath protagonist who kills everyone in his paths in this case minus the harem and the challenge.
I remember reading Martial Peak where the mc murders two guys. Sure, they were gonna beat him up but he kills them and has the girl who hired them dump their bodies in a river. And they get married cause it’s a harem too.
@@sator2766bro had to take backshots from the big black guy in redo of the healer if i remember correctly So honestly I don't blame him for becoming mentally unsalvageable
Id agree with you if he didn’t also have an insane murderous girlfriend like there’s scenes where the government decide its in their best intrest to listen to her and keep her safe because the mc will kill everyone if they don’t
Would be way less annoying if they fully accepted their sociopathic tendencies instead of doing the "no no no you're actually the bad person for trying so hard to be a good person" thing they do.
This was so weird that I began to create a theory that the main guy was still in a coma and was dreaming all this or that was all the sword fault that made him like that because was evil magical sword or some bs like that, and at the ending the protag would notice that everything he did was super wrong and would try to stop everything and turn himself to police or try and help with the riots in the city... But then I noticed I put more thought then the creator of this Manwha did... Btw I just discovered this Manwha by this video so I started thinking this while watching
This is hilarious, I can't tell if the creators did this intentionally or not, but they may have unironically committed nearly every generic OC design sin imaginable when creating the protag, they took the Buff Riku meme chose to give him blue hair and a cartoonishly large generic fantasy sword, and made his main outfit is a plain white T-shirt, sweat pants, and sandals and occasionally topping it off with a school shooter's black jacket with the tallest pop collar that could fully cover up the neck of Littlefoot. Like goddamn, I couldn't help but spit take from laughter every time he pops up in the video after realizing this.
tbf we always want that one manhwa that the mc just go on destructive rage and no story needed, i think this one is pretty enjoyable, compare to "Existence" which start really great but damn did it drag with dumb tropes and stupid mc
The funny thing is that it's not so hard, considering how ass the art of this manhwa. Not only incredibly bad proportions but 3d backgrounds. Oh god, it looks even worse in last chapter cuz it become a fantasy and there is many magical stuff
Da Hun still stood his ground and even though he was going to die, he stood his ground and him spitting on Sa young is one last act of defiance to his killer.
A rewrite that gives da hun justice. Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends. Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
If the author approached the story as Sae Yung being the villain and a cautionary tale of what happens when society pushes someone to edge maybe it would have been better
There's a manwha that does something like that... I don't remember its name, but is about a teenager that comes back from saving a parallel world only for his life to be ruined because of it: I don't remember if his parents died or just hate him for dissapearing all those years, people think he's crazy, and he ends up homeless... that's when he reveals that still has all the god-like power he adquired while saving the other world and he uses them to destroy his city, his whole country as revenge... and then things get even more crazy when other even more powerful "heroes" from parallel universes appear and start to wreck havok... its crazy, dark, and unlike "Rooftop Swordsman", it knows that its protagonists are monstruous
@@Mario_Angel_Medina i think its called the hero has returned, which was really good till season 2 was actually a prequel after we got stuck on a huge cliff hanger at the end of season 1, people who haven't read it need to give like 20 chapters for the story to actually make everything good and have depth
@@Mario_Angel_Medina The Hero Has Returned is an awesome story.... But I gotta say, I really dont like how they handled the fall of the first hero we see. Would even say Se'Young is way more redeemable than the Minsu Meat is.
A rewrite that gives da hun justice. Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends. Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
27:30 I don't care if dawg was gonna lose, he looked at the face of Armageddon, disrespected the judge of his fate. Even if it was his ending HE DID WHAT HE DID BEST 🗣🔥💯
Just by the title alone, I thought this was going to be about people fighting with swords at rooftops or something That would had been a better story than this abomination
Yeah, that would have been fun if the MC was fighting other building owners and slowly basically became the owner of the whole city so he could have his bullies evicted from their homes.
The reason why the Punisher works is that regardless of his involvement, if he gets his way it always ends in tragedy. He is a liability to everyone including himself, and the writers are fully aware of that. This doesn't even have the awareness that a vigilante going through a power fantasy had most of the qualities of a villain.
Those comments at the end were depressing… They’re some actual death worshipping lunatics. Closer to the comical evil of the bullies than almost any other group I’ve had the displeasure of seeing. Thankfully that’s a rare kind of soupbrainery.
Frankly this type of manwha isnt very uncommon. Im pretty sure there are a lot of manhuas as well with the exact kind of theme, especially with the cultivation kind of novels where they spend 2k chapters explaining the process of how our MC offends every large force in the world, defeats them, then repeat 4 times.
you should check out comment sections for "The Hero Returns"/"The Warrior Returns". just filled with lunatics screaming for the protagonist's blood because he isn't committing mass murder and they say things like "The Sword Hero is the real protagonist. He gets that sometimes, this shitty world is too much and will make us break!!!!!!" because he's... executing a genocide.
The author forgot what make john wick fun is his background he's the babayaga he got multiple decade of experince he have connection he have supplies every one in the underground world will shit their pant if they know he coming for them despite all this he still just a guy and only his skill is keeping him barely alive it have tention and stake that why it feel so satisfy when John Wick make it out alive
...and yet it is not only better than any of your pathetic attempts at so-called "real life", but that it also has better effort than anything that you lot have ever said, let alone did, in any of your sorry a s s lives!
@@paxhumana2015 School shooter vibe here.... it's literally just people criticizing shitty manhwa and your defense is "iT tOoK mOrE EffOrtS tHaN cOMmEnT" and proceed to bully and insult people's life for criticizing said manhwa....that's HYPOCRITICAL. YOU CAN'T EVEN PRACTICE YOUR VALUE.
With John Wick, you're meant to root for him all the way through, whether you feel sad for him, in awe, etc. I think the author intended for Se'Young to start off with the audience rooting for him, then quickly taper off once they saw him go off the rails completely, which is shown when the public, himself, and close ones disagree with his views. The only ones that support him unconditionally are his entourage and some of the internet trolls. His revenge is meant to be stimulating but ethically wrong imo.
The premise and plot of this manhwa felt so familiar that I couldn't put my finger on it, until I realized: This is just a worse version of The Crow. The plot of The Crow is similar: a man and his loved one suffer brutally at the hands of a group of one dimensional villains that managed to escape justice and he is then gifted supernatural abilities that make him an overpowered killing machine to exact revenge on those that wronged him. However there are key differences that make The Crow a superior work over Rooftop Swordmaster: 1. Eric Draven (the MC) isn't being bullied, he and his fiance are outright murdered. The magic in question then resurrects him with the explicit purpose of killing these men as a way of balancing the scales. Eric doesn't have to question himself because not only is a power higher than himself allowing and encouraging his actions, but Eric is already dead. He literally has nothing cause once his mission is complete, he is to return to his grave. In this regard, the villains kinda need to be pure evil otherwise we would question the entity that brought Eric back and that isn't the intent. The story also makes it clear that, while Eric is literally a spirit of vengeance, there is more to him and the plot than just revenge. 2. Eric never goes overboard in his mission. While he gets the attention of the police who think he is just some crazy vigilante, he never tries to instigate or kill them. He only focuses on the people he was brought back to kill. He doesn't declare the city his enemy, he doesn't monologue like Light Yagami about how his actions are justice (even if in universe his actions are literally sanctioned by a higher power), and the only times he does kill people who aren't his main targets are when they are criminals trying to kill him or they threaten the life of someone innocent. 3. While the villains are pure evil scumbags, they're also not children; which I think makes a huge distinction. They may or may not have families, but its clear that these are fully formed adults who, for one reason or another, have made their choices, are content with them and and need to face punishment for their actions. 4. Eric is overpowered, but the story doesn't depict him as unbeatable. The main reason Eric is able to effortlessly kill his targets is because they don't know he is coming. Most of them he catches off guard and in the climax, the villains find his weakness and exploit it. Even when they know he is coming and he is at an advantage, it's never a "one and done" sequence. The action is always exciting due to the choreography and pacing. 5. Most importantly, the characters. Eric and most the supporting cast have all unique personalities, great banter with each other and memorable dialogue; even the villains, despite being pure evil, all have their own distinct personalities and quirks that distinguishes them from one another.
Also the villains (minus Skank) don't run away from Eric as he tries to hunt them down. They actively fight back or even throw the first punches. They are active threats at all times.
My God, you just pulled a punch there that I didn't expect. That's freaking right. Moreover, the Crow's theme is not singlehandedly vengeance, but also mourning, the longing of a life cut off too short, the tenderness of his fiancée, and the bleak stains of bitterness that perverse actions leave behind: no one wins, not even the villains gain really anything besides short term... satisfaction. It's really all that bad for nothing. I love the original comic, kinda like the movie and haven't read the other interpretation, but seeing how a premise can change with few tweaks and yet have tremendous differences due to their authors' values and storytelling is always baffling to me. Whoever wrote this manwha should really do what the nurse tell Se Young: go outside and live life at the best of their abilities.
A story about a kid that got bullied ends up becoming a bully in addition to being a mass-murdering, terrorist. Would've been an interesting theme if the author went with that and had the MC realize that "oh shit, wtf am I doing? I'm no better than the people that bullied me...I'm much worse."
He doesn't bully anyone what are you talking about? Dudes like you are scum only care when something happens to the bully but are quiet when the bullies start stuff with people
My favorite part's about John Wick is actually how he kills the mob boss' son, just; "It was just a fucking dog!" *BANG!!!* and then just walks away, no words, and no fucked up sadism. Bang-boom mission complete, John, now try to keep moving. What a good, simple, and human revenge story.
That's John Wick's MO. Quick and too the point. He doesn't want someone to die painfully if he can help it. He's not out to torture anyone. He kills you and then moves on with his life (or at least tries to, people keep dragging him back).
That's John Wick's MO. Quick and too the point. He doesn't want someone to die painfully if he can help it. He's not out to torture anyone. He kills you and then moves on with his life (or at least tries to, people keep dragging him back).
Here's how you fix this entire series: you start with Da'Hun being a sympathetic kid that's given these powers, but as the plot goes on he becomes more and more violent obsessed, with the bullies becoming more and more regretful and self reflective of their choices as their mortality constantly comes into question. At the same time Da'Hun begins questioning his vengeance and begins wondering if he's going too far by hurting innocent people. Flip the script so that the sympathetic protagonist becomes the villain because his obsession with getting revenge has consumed him.
He lost his parents to these bullies; I mean most people in real life wouldn't forgive people like that for the rest of their lives. And that's regardless of how great they become. There's some transgressions that are hard to forgive, no matter what. That's realistic. Only that this time the loser becomes homelander and decimates them and both the bullies and him are one-dimensional. There could have been so much potential with this manhwa though. That's for sure.
The amount of actual hob goblins that are saying the most disgusting revolting garbage at the end there actually disgusts me. You can GUESS what these people look like
Reminds me of the original The Boys comic. It's shockingly similar, actually. Villains are all just cartoonishly 1 dimensional assholes who exist solely for the heroes to brutally murder, and said heroes can never possibly be wrong no matter how hypocritical they are, because they're enemies shove hamsters up their ass or something. It's honestly a wonder the Amazon show came out as good as it did.
Sometimes you never have to meet a person *in-person* to see how little they've grown in maturity since age 14. The writer of the boys is one of those.
@@lucasaldous4683Always found people who made wild assumptions about people they've never met and know little to nothing about to be pretty shallow. You could judge the work as garbage (which it is), but why the author?
@michelangelo8156 Hey I'm not saying he's a BAD person. But his writing in the og comic OOZES the kinda edglord energy you see in a number of middle schooler's works where the assumption is "BLOOD AND SEX MAKE ME DARK MATURE AND KOOL"
@ldous4683Yeah, he's work is typical edge lord nonsense and he *may* be an idiot irl too, but my problem is more with just judging a random person you barely know in general than him specifically. Edit: You know, I kinda realised I'm kinda being a hypocrite by also judging people I don't know as 'shallow' over their opinion, so my apoligies for that. To rephrase, I meant the *act* of judging people rather than the people judging them. Yep. Good enough.
i mean, it was written by Garth Ennis, who notoriously absolutely HATES every single superhero in the american mainstream comic book industry (except Punisher and Daredevil, mostly because they are the only ones without powers). The Boys comic book is just Ennis barfing his hate for comic book heroes ad nauseum, and even when it has good moments or points it is always draged down because of the author's hate for the idea of a caped hero. The show is better because it uses the idea of 'what if supers but real' as a starting point for the plot, not as an outlet.
After over half an hour of hearing about this manhwa, I thought it might be the worst thing I've ever seen. Then you showed the comment sections of all the people who unironically enjoy it, and I realized the fans magically out-edged the author.
I remember finding this story while browsing the catalog. The whole "my parents martyred themself, gunna be an asshole and murder peeps now." It fails so fucking hard, so fucking quick. It's like the quiet kid's drawing pad.
This obsession some people have with raping spesificaly the female antagonist is honestly terrifieng. Sexual assault themes weren't even in the story (To my knollege), they literally just brought this in from some sick corner of their mind
@@dominusantonius The pointed it out because the comments singled out the female character. They wanted to add an extra layer of torture simply because she was a woman. They didn't want the male characters to get raped, did they?
@@dominusantonius Tbh, any kid who has violent rape fantasies because about some bullshit power fantasy revenge manga is probably not being bullied, people are just fed up with his toxic creepy attitude and pushing back.
@@dominusantoniustrivialising sa is something horrible in every sense of the word hell thinking there is at all a justification for it is psychotic. People who think like this are legitimately detraments to society and contribute to real instances of justifying sa. So no, it's not a story. it's the fact that real people think it's justified at some point
My god. At least the antagonists in persona 5 had a believeable motive to be so outlandishly evil. These MFs are just obsessed with this kid for seemingly no reason.
@@buecherhamster1496 not even that, the villains in P5 are unreedemable, but they are not killed because the protagonists are not psychopaths. Kamoshida isn't sent to rehabilitation or anything, he is insulted for being a rapist and sent to rot in jail.
I was bullied as a child and I grew a lot during puberty, I am at 6'4, around 210 pounds now. And I was a huge bully during uni and my first couple of jobs, provoking people, playing on their insecurities, gaslighting them, threatening them phyiscally, and I always thought I was in the right because I still had the victim mentality and still thought that it was the world against me I went to therapy and one of the first things I realized was that I never punched up, I only tortured people who had no chance of defending themselves. I was a much worse bully than anyone who teased me ever was My priviledge was that I had opportunites to admit fault and to be forgiven. But the guilt of having been a bully is a much greater pain than any bullying I received This manwha reminds me a lot of my path and what could've been if I never reflected upon myself. I find that interesting and scary, and it underlines to me even more how miserable of a story it is
The initial set-up of the manwha reminded me of a comicbook from the 90s called "Animal Urbano", about a homeless mutant that goes arround fighting criminals, corrupt policemen, mobsters, cult-leaders etc. The differences between the Urban Animal and Sai-Young (I hope I wrote it correctly) is that the comicbook constantly introduced regular people as side-characters to empatize with, so the audience may know that the inmortal hulkish creature whose name is on the covers will still be alive at the end of any issue, but can only hope that the decent down-on-their-luck civillians the creature finds along the way will survive till the end of the issue... is the same principle as One-Punch Man, you know Saitama will win any fight he gets in, but the tension comes from hoping the other character will stay alive long ennough for him to arrive
@@luckystarplays1837 as far as I could find, the two comics are unrelated. If you're curious about the one I was talking about, its autors are Guillermo Grillo and Edu Molina
This is for the people who leave those comments complaining that”this mc is so weak”. What they are really saying is “I can’t watch this and live out my revenge/ power fantasies”. They don’t care about seeing a character struggle and grow because they don’t want that for themselves. A sword falling from the sky and a training montage is all they want so they can skip to what they want to see. Someone who is so strong that they don’t have to grow or mature, who easily kills anyone they want.
You'd be surprised at how much thoughtless manhwa/hua(s) are published each month. I'm more inclined to believe these types of comics are just products made for quick cashgrab/clout.
Xianxia is fascinating, in that it's a genre which is 99.99999% dogshit, and 'good xianxia' is generally made by people overseas who read actual xianxia and go, _"... Yeah, but what if you took the good ideas here and didn't weld them onto a story about one douchebag VS a billion Snidely Whiplashes that are also rapists?"_ Like, "This Junior is a Good Seed" (AKA Good Seed Quest) has built a gigantic collaborative writing community, and has a total of ONE villain who's as nakedly horrible as the standard xianxia antagonist (and he's used quite sparingly). Even one of the major antagonist factions - Blood Sect cultivators, people who cultivate via cannibalism and whose elders have names like Kinslaughterer and Corpse Gulper - end up having a little bit more going on under the hood.
@@MontySlython depends on the human some humans are one dimensional also the genre wholeheartedly express this depending on the adaptation of the novel
There were more things going on than just the revenge plot, this video just explicitly brushed all those things aside upt to like the last minute , all because the OP wanted to crap on how edgey this manhwa is.
Fellas, be like luffy, luffy does what he likes regardless of what people think, luffy calls people out for doing things that are wrong and holds them and them alone accountable. Be like luffy, not like sayung
I would like a re-telling of this story in the pov of the bullies and government. An Invincible DemiGod vs The people who created that monster (but make the bullies actual characters)
Plot twist : he is still in coma Just as he said other characters are so one dimensional that it look like he is imagining them to be like that Author only have to end with a last panel of this being a school shooter power fantasy and it would be a good manhwa lol
@@propablyconfusedThis is it. This is how it should end. Bro wakes up from the coma, finds out that the bullies got properly punished by their parents, said bullies feel regret and don’t bother him anymore, and the series ends with him never getting the sword and being sad that he couldn’t fulfill his revenge fantasy.
@@jblazerndrowzy Regular kid gets bullied into a coma. Wakes up as an incel. Because he's incel, he gets bad ending. Is this your idea of a good story? I feel people must have excessive privilege in the woke form, to dismiss every fantasy made to need a happy ending or philosophical ending. No everything is good, and if we are gonna give "exploring the concept" a free pass, then we can't judge anything until it ends. 1. We should be able to judge things whenever we are at something. 2. All interpretations of what makes it better is default wrong. Overall, this isn't about the feelings of the audience or moral structure of characters and understanding. It's a story being a story. Not everything is meant to send a message.
I can see his aunt disowning him, saying “that’s not the child my sister raised.” Then he kills her and his uncle…I feel like that would happen because ain’t no way this man has a perfectly working and sane moral compass.
I know this wasn't at all your main point when making this video, but hearing the first part about how people make these stories not because they want them to be popular, but because its a story they want told, and that there's people who go looking for such things because they enjoy the passion behind the author's presentation despite any setbacks like pure lack of drawing skill... kinda unbelievably inspiring, like even on a psychological level. Right after you said that, I made a webtoon to post comics as just regular practice for the stories I do want to tell. Thanks for being that push and direction I needed to get started.
Considering how all-mighty the bully-parents seem to be portrayed, they sure dropped the ball on not bribing some doctor to pull the plug while the main character was in a coma. No way eight of them would just leave a loose end open like that. (having watched the rest of the video, this is actually the least of the "story"'s problems)
In my headcannon, the nurse from the beginning has a talk with him after his rampage. She just sits down and reminds him of what he was. Who he used to be. How he was once human. But not anymore. And then he just stares off into the void, feeling empty and unfulfilled. "You've got what you finally wanted. Is it as great as you imagined?" ...
@@SamElZombie Said girlfriend is morally the opposite of the Nurse tho, as she fully supported the slaughter. Although spoiler alert: I guess it was bittersweet anyway, given how the revenge plot lead to her almost dying, with the MC only being able to save her with a surgery that is likely to cause heavy memory loss.
This Manhwa feels like a self-insert from an artist who was bullied, and became very edgy, to the point where their morality got twisted. EDIT: Ye, he said "This is a school shooter power-fantasy.". My comment is redundant.
It feels like the author didn’t self insert and is actually meant to be that bad as a panel actually makes the mc look bad but is completely overlooked immediately
Let's be honest we don't know what the author is thinking we just all guessing but I can't deny there is some realism in this if some guy gifted a demigod powers there's a high chance they're not going to use it for helping people
Bullies 1-7: Hehe look at these disgusting losers who die so quickly to my awesome self insert badass gary stu character don't you think they're such losers and im so right Da-Hun: *The indomintable Human Spirit in its full defiant glory*
The sword falling from the sky is a metaphor for dad leaving the gun safe unlocked.
bruh 🤣
It’s legitimately scary how that might really be the case
The best metaphor i heard . We need more of these.
Im sure inst the case, but the creator accidentally made some genius metaphores👌
I was not ready for this comment but thank you anyway
I feel like whoever made this manhwa had their high school bullies grow up to be successful but kept resenting them due to lack of closure
You can phrase it as that. Most of this bully Manhwa is popularized by the success of lookism
Chester forom cloudy with a chance of meatballs?
It's actually really common in Korea. It's so prevalent that there was a hashtag started called Hakpok, similar to metoo, calling for the justice for the victims of bullying. There's also a statue of limitations for bullying so most people would not be able to get closure legally.
You should look up the Samsung family in South Korea. South Korea has a lot going with cotporate corruption and societal hierarchy. I think this story is in a way commenting on that, just very poorly.
@@tytytyty5659wtf you mean bully manga were a thing before lookism author was in his father balls,and there are so much better and shorter bully manhwa without superpower
"Homelander with a sword" feels like the most accurate description ever.
I legit laughed out loud when the video got to that
I mean..... Homelander is racist..
This manhwa is fire, don't care what anyone has to say. Put on some metal music and get immersed in the carnage, brother.
expect Homelander is actually an interesting character.
@@heetheet75 I respect your opinion.
The only story that would benefit from the "... and then he woke up" ending
or after the mc hurting innocent family member of the scumbags going on a monk like redemption arc
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST COMMENT EVER LOL
@@nikoryusnah there’s no redeeming this
The closest thing for a redemption arc is succedding and then realizing its own mistakes, then living the rest of its days being haunted by those moments
LMAOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN
accidentally creating a Numen Rider vs the sea king while trying to make it a "villain is pathetic" scene has to be one of the funniest failures ever.
*Mumen
But yes.
Also, unrelated but now I want to see Mumen Rider become Mugen Rider (infinite rider)
But that sounds hilarious that's like Tommy wiseau levels a failure and lacking in self-awareness
Because of his failure I want someone to make an anti hero story with the bully as the main character
this is because his death is never fully shown and he could be used to point out stuff like how he betrays the parent's wish for justice
@plimkinpumpkin7783 i know this is'nt what you're asking for but have you watched a silent voice? Its a really good movie.
@@plimkinpumpkin7783 that manhwa exist, its called "the bully in charge"
One of the things I love about Berserk is how the narrative makes it clear that the super edgy, uncaring, "Black Swordsman" version of Guts is not something to aspire to - that was Guts at his lowest. We gradually see Guts regain his humanity again as he makes new allies and finds reasons for living beyond just revenge. The world of Berserk is still brutal and disturbing, but that doesn't stop the characters from becoming better versions of themselves over time.
All edgy revenge Manga/Manhwa are basically Berserk. But :
1. It was Guts who became a Godhand during the eclipse
2. Griffith sacrafice the Band when he isn't crippled and just want power
3. The only part of Golden Age Arc are the Eclipse
4. Casca got killed and Guts married Farnese
5. The slug count is just a psycopath with no backstory
6. Griffith constantly failed after Guts left
This, whats sad is that as berserk got more popular you see lots of artists get inspired by that but completely miss that point and the complexity of Berserk's more gray world. And just make the edgiest shit possible.
we also quickly see that the black swordsman persona is just that, a persona. It's a mask he wears to not get himself hurt, to make himself that he's uncaring. Which is is very apparent at the end of the black swordsman arc where he starts to break down after being confronted by the count's daughter. And as the story progress we get to see how human he is in reality
@@MALICEM12nuance is lost upon fools
The indomitable human spirit is always a great story to tell
Listening to this video while multitasking mid way through sounds like he is describing a Godzilla anime where the people attacking Godzilla are rich bullies.
I mean yeah you used godzilla but this one can be called hulk vs rich bullies and it would be 100 % correct.
@@andrewacacia9851 it's like if Superman commits a crime, you gonna stop him?
Because unless you're Batman who had the resources and time to have multiple failsafes in case of an evil superman scenario, Alfred's head, or have even a scrap of kryptonite at your disposal, you're f*cked
Atleast godzilla struggled in his movies
King Godorrah always *DID* strike me as a jock.
I was literally doing that lmao
The saddest part of this is how the mc betrays his parent's wish for justice, by committing innumerable injustices.
The saddest irony of all that will never be addressed by the author
@@AmaryInkawult the author forgor 💀
I'm saying. This could've been an awesome story about a guy losing his morality and turning into a monster as he's literally starting to do even worse things than his bullies ever did, but alas... more revenge power fantasy slop for the pile
really feels like the parents resolved the main story, then everything he does is just the most questionable epilogue
You have a very pathetic taste and very unrealistic taste of character
It's just me that found Seyoung's design a comedic masterpiece? I mean, i can't see any panel that he's in and don't giggle at least a bit. He's a fucking emo hair hulk build type of guy that is like 5 meters tall using the most generic ass clothing ever made holding an generic big ass sword like a madman. This is a comedic gem.
basically baki but more meaningless
Let's not forget that he started the series as a fucking cripple.
@@somehighweirdo baki is actually kinda good. But i get your point.
The collared coat is the cherry on top
IN first chapters he reminded me AL from Police Squad.
Honestly making the main character a terrifying huge hulking mass of muscles coud have been a great metaphor at how his lust for vengeance turned him into a monster in a better story
well at least every panel he's next to a normal person is fucking hilarious
fr, this story could've been way better if the protagonist was shown to become more monstrous both physically and mentally as the story progressed to symbolise his desire for revenge consuming him, it would also allow the story to start off with stakes in the beginning where he's fighting gangsters while barely being able to carry the sword and shift towards his success being the stakes. maybe imply the sword is manipulating him into doing it's bidding by encouraging his malice, slowly broadening the goal of his revenge from bringing the bullies to justice, to killing them, to killing their families, to killing anyone that gets in his way, to killing everyone.
@@PihsrosnecI've always loved stories that turn their protsgonists into the villains. Honestly if it ended with Seyoung realizing the monster he's become, and accepting a death sentence or something, it would have resolved so much better.
@@Pihsrosnecokumm heres the thing...NOT EVERY MANGA has to have this deep meaning
Some people enjoy a revenge manga no more no less not this mentalbreak down of what revenge is and what it means and blablabla
Point is sometimes its ok to be fucking simple
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 I mean yeah not every story needs a deep meaning they're just saying how they would've improved it. It's ok to enjoy a simple revenge manga though this isn't the best place to say that since this video is about a story that justifies atrocities and encourages it in it's messaging.
@@hoobadoobamaster8551Yeah but really show the projection, huh?
Manwha in general is 1 of 4
1) power fantasy where the bullied kid becomes powerful and or handsome
2) porn
3) porn but gay
4)one of the most refreshing stories you have ever read , with deep characters and a plot that has you by the balls
yo drop me that recommendation for no. 4, thanks in advance
@@Rondartand #3
@@barryallen767Nah, resume
Or alternatively:
5) The most terrifying piece of media on existance
I would like to order a blend of 3 and 4 thanks
wow. those people at the end are unwell.
some people in this comment section are unwell.
holy macaroni.
Well this is what internet does to people we can't do anything.😢
@@BlasphemousSaint.The internet didn't make them creepy, it just gave them a space be like that without being judged by their peers.
@@lazarus8018 Little bit of both, I’d say
It’s not our fault
Parents being the power system is WILD
Muscleman was onto something
@@Bird-wz7nx nice try bro, but you know who else is a rooftop sword swords master?
MY MOM!
Korean society is actually like that loll
Asian society is kinda one way or another is kinda like dad. In our country we have a joke saying: " You doesn't need to try hard, your dad is enough "
It doesn't sound half bad. I'd like a series where parents are basically sidekicks, and got some kind of special power that only their kids can help them use. That sounds fucking hilarious, and could be built on in some interesting ways. I started tearing up imagining a story arc involving an adopted child who learns to fight alongside their new parents...
The sentiment of resentment for the most privileged high class in South Korea is a common trope in manhwa. There are many stories about children of CEOs being treated like royalty, and what happens when you cross these corporate overlords. This manhwa takes this resentment to a new level...
More like to a logical path of action
@@razumskiynah man, this goes too far than 'logical'.
Too bad instead of channeling that into worthwhile anti-capitalist criticism like Parasite, media like this just says you should murder people randomly with no nuance
@@razumskiy ...killing thousands of innocent people in the process? Nah, that shit ain't logical, that is straight up evil. You need a scalpel with that typa stuff, and this "story" designs a bigger sledgehammer than every sledgehammer before, sturggles to lift it for a year, then uses the super sledgehammer to shatter the whole thing.
That's because south korea is a government controlled by what ever business makes the most money, like residents of South Korea have compared it as a worse life than north korea
Lowkey Da Hun is him literally going up against EVERYONE the viewers, the main character even the author manliest character in the entire series by far
Stand proud you are strong Da Hun
Nah id win
-da hun
The man who left it all behind
Shout out to my man Da Hun, he's da man
Are you Da hun because your him or are you him because your Da hun
- My nutsack
Vinland Saga: I have no enemies
Rooftop Swordmaster: Everyone's an op
Violence for the sake of violence
People can say that seyoung stomps on Thorfinn. But that doesn't change the fact that Thorfinn is a far better character than seyoung
@@jordanmoreno7481 again not entirely a bad thing, but this manhwa ain't it
@@GregoriusHartono The people whose only concern is about who would win in a fight, shouldn't be reading vinland saga.
@@cenfre2866definitely not
This is the first time i would accept the ending where the protagonist wakes up from the coma and realizes everything that just happened was a dream and he doesnt have legs
like he wakes up and the found the sword and wants to make his dream real but the sword just tell him "nah you are too edgy" and the sword flies and dissapear infront of him
@@sebastianaltamirano4991that would be even poetic.
@@dominikwielowski6485 that would be the only way to fix the manhwa without completely rewriting it
wakes up to a real rooftop fire
@@dominikwielowski6485 and alos would be holerious at the same time.
I read a manhwa in an apocoliptic setting and MC's main goal was to find his wife and child. He'd struggle and he had a female friend that had a crush on him. Every few chapters I'd see people in the comments call him a wuss, saying he shoud get with that hot girl, and they hope his family is dead because MC would rather think ahead instead of fighting all the time. It was messed up, some people just want power trip fantasies and hate anything else
who yeah i remembered a Manwha like that. i think you are talking about HIVE. i do remember the comments calling him a wuss cuz he wants to know if his family is alive instead of banging that hot girl. i was like "wtf just read the story" there was another where the readers was getting annoyed when the mc didn't show up after 20 chaps while the story was laying down its ground foundation and getting annoyed on how not overpowered he is. thats all i noticed.
btw i coments was 5 years old. so things may have changed.
average manhwa reader
ugh the typical manhwa reader the story is clear and hell the mc motive is more powerful and brave, calling him a wuss for being a actual great father who willing to risk his own life in order to reunited with his family is crazy
@@cloak679 that is what have been bothering me with manhwa readers they just can't seems to be patience for anything as an artist seeing the creator dedication to kept going even after getting scream by the "fan" and harassed non stop over schedule and time of upload is truly commendable
Do you remember the name of this story.
The 8 bullies are as hilariously and unnecessarily evil as the league of evil exes from scott pilgrim, the main difference being that scott pilgrim recognises that it's hilarious and spends its entire runtime talking about how absurd it is and also how weird scott pilgrim himself is
At least the exes have lives outside of picking on Scott. Hell, minus Gideon and Matthew they've all moved on from being with Ramona and seem to just be doing this for a paycheck.
@@jordanloux3883Even that, in Takes Off, Gideon quickly realizes that the League was a stupid idea, and they just become a normal friend group, just all with the commonality of being Ramona's exes.
@@jordanloux3883and when they don’t, their obsession with Scott is part of the joke- the anime especially draws a lot of humour from being self aware about how weird the idea of a league dedicated to fighting one person in
They aren't "bullies", they are mafia thugs. What is ridiculous is that the manga calls organized crime "bullying". Bullying is harassing people, not gang activity or beating people to near death. It's like calling school shootings bullying just because it happens in school.
@@fuzonzord9301 But the MC doesn't care about taking down organized crime or corruption in South Korea. He wants to kill his bullies and their families for strictly personal reasons.
For anyone who complains that a character is a "Mary Sue" without knowing what that term actually means, show them this comic. THIS is what a Mary Sue is. All powerful, never challenged, and the story warps around them to make them the hero, even when they don't deserve it.
I think the definition has been very warped from what it originally meant.
Gary steu actually.
Literally able to dogde bullets and go against tanks bc he works out and become an orc looking guy, the reaching this author did probably make his brain sore everytime finish drawing each chapter 😂
@@Toneill029That’s what I'm saying.
That's Gary Stu. Mary Sue is the chosen one, best at everything literally perfect human being.
the amount of people that wanted the mc to sexually assault the two girls as a form of revenge was gross.
Welcome to the internet.
@@youcantbeatk7006 found one
yeah you right
@@youcantbeatk7006 holy shit, this is the internet? i thought this was an arby's, my bad.
@@stardusst😑😑
This manhwa is basically how I’d imagine punisher “fans” who don’t actually understand the character see Frank Castle
that's what happens when you have the creator of "The Boys" comic make a punisher story.
@@parzavaal5335 punisher MAX literally search for it,
@@parzavaal5335 The worst part is that he DID made a Punisher story before making The Boys comic
@@MysteryGeek2006 that's what I said 😁👍
The boys is overrated
There is a deep, down right comical irony in the protagonist because of them becoming the sort of person who he sought to destroy and being totally unaware of it. Being granted a privilege only he really gets to have and use that makes him damn near untouchable to everyone else and using it *exclusively* to get what he wants which is a almost primal need to hurt others at the cost to any and everyone around him regardless of how much they might actually deserve it. It's like a Greek tragedy about the cycle of violence and the unfortunate nature of human moral justification that's unaware that that is what it is.
except greek tragedies have good plots
Except he's not attacking random people like the bullies were he's attacking the bullies
@@solosolo8610 You know I was gonna try and explain how that line of thinking quickly falls apart once you consider the level of collateral damage he causes, intentionally or not, on countless innocent civilians directly through his action without a single ounce of guilt, empathy, or real care just for his own personal satisfaction.
Then I saw how you've basically been doing nothing but caping for this series's backwards sense of morality in the replies of other comments here and realized your just a sad person with a immature outlook on life and not much else to do. You could have done literally anything else in that time more productive then go to bat for poorly written revenge porn yet that's what you chose.
Anyway, I'm just gonna safely assume you're the type of person who agrees with the people at the end of the video who commented about how the MC should have SA'd the female bullies and kept them as slaves and consider you a lost cause not worth engaging with further.
I only read a few chapters, but didn't he only kill those who were responsible for his near death and the death of his parents?
I mean wouldn't your argument basically mean that prisons shouldn't exist because the state uses power to take away the rights of people by locking them? I mean it sounds awful when you put it that way, but then you realize that the people they locked up did horrible things to begin with.
@@ovidiudante The video points out *several times* in the story past the first few chapters how his actions directly hurt and endanger innocent people who had nothing to do with the situation or people just trying to do the right thing in their eyes like protecting a crying teenage girl from a hulking murder monster as far as they know. The whole 'he's only going after the bad guys' argument falls apart once you get countless innocent and/or morally decent people killed for your own petty revenge and don't even care. That's a *little* different than saying prisons should exist.
Seeing the amount of people who fantasized about rape in the comment section was downrighy horrifying
It's oddly normalized in some parts of the anime sphere. Pretty disturbing honestly.
Miyazaki was right
@@Ravi9A
What did he say?
@@theseeker7692”Anime was a mistake”
@@twideslauriers7875I feel like anime creators live with some level of fear that people will over fantasies about their characters
After reading just a few chapters i wanted to become the Rooftop Jump Master
Lol
Pls do
Well you were prolly a bad guy anyways
do it
Christ these replies are insane
They say an authors story is influenced by their current state of life and mind.
Yoshihiro Togashi when writing Yu Yu Hakusho began to change his style of story writing from a light hearted action comedy to a much more serious and dark style of writing the moment he started to develop his back pains.
I can only imagine what the hell was going on in this author’s mind, or going on in his life when writing this Manwha…
Yoshiyuki Tomino is a fantastic example. You can see how different his mindset is between all the different Gundam series he helmed, along with things like Ideon (OH BOY HE WASN'T FEELING GREAT WHEN HE DID THAT ONE) and King Gainer.
It’s not hard to guess what the author was thinking. He had an interaction with a chaebol that had a significant negative influence on either his life or mental state, and feels like the chaebol never got recourse for their actions. He’s been letting that fester for a while and wrote ts to vent
As an amateur among amateurs who’s not doing so great…
I can confirm..
(Half-joke)
Miura and Tatsuki Fujimoto were in deep sh*t in the past
He got ED
In the beginning the MC was shown to be smart. The fact that he managed to hack the chat and the fact that he collected data on his bullies. I hoped that after he trained he would use both his newfound strength AND his intelligence to force his bullies into situations that they are exposed to the world as bad guys and killing only if necessary. Instead we have senseless massacre with only his strength.
uhhh I think its called "Juvenile Offender" but its kind of like that. Bullied kid gets revenge with wits and physical combat, whichever one fits best at the time usually both.
You see this would actually require intelligent writing beyond meh revenge against meh bullies.
senseless violence isn't even the biggest problem, it's that he's portrayed as victim while being, well, senselessly violent
watch "The Arrow" its not that good but it basically has nearly the same plot, just instead of rich bullies its just rich people
@@WThroat
I recently found "HellCraft" and it's essentially everything I wanted from "Rooftop Swordmaster" but actually got it. The protagonist is actually smart, so are "bad guys" and most other characters. There is a moment where the MC and his allay decide to leave when they can eliminate their target because they already got information and attacking prematurely would reveal them.
This manhwa is basically just a school shooters fantasy ngl. This is probably the worst type of escapism too.
Yeah. All those people hyping the MC up in the comments are prolly victims of bullying. Sad and pathetic instead of standing up and fighting for themselves they're having to escape like THIS.
As a victim of bullying, I can sympathize with him. Sometimes the anger is so strong you just feel like throwing your life away to get any king of revenge.
of course you shouldn't do that, but the urge is real and it's interesting to see someone just expressing this anger
@@victoriacecilia3926and when you try and tell someone about the bullying it’s always bent around and seen as your fault and that’s why they always go nuts
@@smart-ass8518And someday they stop being sad and pathetic, and become school shooters, think about it you smartass, I'm pretty sure we all prefer them to stuck into some fantasy than to actually act, so stf
@@smart-ass8518 I mean you have to fight back because schools won't ever do anything.
as a bully victim, this story is more sad than anything.
I can imagine,watching someone not only get bullied to hell and back,but also ending up becoming even more irredeemable than their bullies can’t be good
Turned into the thing that made him go thru all that hell
As a bully victim who wasnt beaten up but insulted, The last bully was a fucking goat. Imagine if his dad came in and they tried to jump him. If this was turned into an animated series the dad and son would be 🐐's.
As if you have seen another side of fate, that you were lucky enough to avoid?
@@BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta Ow! Stop waving all that edge around!
(seriously, it's a small side; only a quarter of abuse victims, at maximum, go on to abuse others; trying to claim all violence comes from other abuse is a transparent responsibility dodge.)
The creator surely suffered bullying and this is his way of venting. Childish imaginary over-the-top scenarios where he can project himself doing what he believes is right.
and so what?
@@ark_artemis6557 And so what, what ?
@@ark_artemis6557it’s childish and makes for a shitty one dimensional manhwa
@@ark_artemis6557writing revenge stories isn’t therapy
@@sandfanboy999
Isnt Therapeutic Journaling a real thing? Then again obsessively writng DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE would make you look crazier
Honestly this manwha would be so much better if it was even remotely tongue in cheek about it's plot and was an actual back and forth between the MC and villains
Agreed
But what we got is just "spawning and killed npcs in gmod"
That would require the Author to actually plan character arcs and conflicts, which they seem to have only done ONCE.
So if it was an entirely different story?
Back and forth, how?
@@zettovii1367 The MC isn't invincible and the villains are allowed to have depth and have a point about the lead's actions
I love that montage of comments all read like quips of bad villain dialogue.
You know that quote "Billie Eilish makes music for girls who call themselves psycho but are too afraid to ask for extra ketchup in a restaurant"? That's the energy I get from the wannabe edge lords in the comment section of the manwah.
EX FUCKING ACTLY. Has a lot of that premium edge cringy deviantart Imovie edit synced to that one WAKE ME UP INSIDE song energy
Except gap moe Eilish fans are cute in their own weird way.
Thats very true . But i recognised there two kind of Edgelords that i met and see often . I call them Over-edgers and the fun-edgers .
Over-edgers are those you described perfectly . Shy , has no balls , socially incompetent most of the time . But when they open up , you get the insight how they are most of the time filled up with this rage and cant vent out in any form or shape except the really over the top edgy stuff . often they try to be as dark brooding and badass too but it falls flat on its face that its very laughable .
Then we have the Fun-edgers which likes edgy stuff and are really fun people to hang out . Because they dont take this edgy stuff so serious.
I love edgy stuff and even this manwha is the right schlock to laugh about for me because it goes off the rails and just ends up being an entertaining train-wreck to embrace . Its just absurdity at its finest and not dangerous at all .
@haomavarga1818what indicates mental illness aside from listening to music?
Once in a while i see a comment like yours that completely blews my mind.
Your description of Da Hun going up against the MC was unironically hype
"I fight until the blood takes the spear from my grasp, until I can only crawl. And even then, you will not defeat me, even then, I will spit in your face!" - pantheon
A rewrite that gives da gun justice.
Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends.
Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
@@KlintKarasi feel like your script change needs a few other changes, but still 1000x better than the original story
He wasn’t brave, he was drugged out of his mind
Tbh, it'd would have felt more hype, if it wasnt cause this video tries so hard to crap on the series. Honestly felt more cringey to me than anything as a result.
The amount of comments talking about SAing the one female antagonist is insane and borderline obsessive with the power fantasy.
I'd say it's way past borderline unfortunately
im surprised people say that without a second thought. They need to pull up there manhwa comment history during a job interview and be like "this you? Explain why you wrote this".
The amount of comments of people trying to defend the bullies are the most insane thing about this manwha 😢 let them bully people there popular
Yours acting like they wanna contribute to society. They're stuck in their rooms😭@@CluelessCarter
@@solosolo8610 weirdo take. "bullying = sexual assault good" apparently in your head.
"he becomes the worst thing immaginable...✨✨a landlord✨✨"
This manhwa actually unintentionally showcases some of the biggest social problems in Korean society - bullying, isolation, nepotism and wealth disparity.
It's not unintentional...
in the worst way possible
That's literally a whole ass genre of manhwa tho. almost Every single park Tae Jun manhwa goes into that topic and they usually do it well and focus on the Mc becoming a better person and overcoming the bullying, not a serial killer. Even juvenile offender where the Mc only lives for revenge has 10 times more tact than this shit. Point being this topic has been addressed in manhwa 10000 times and a lot better than here.
What it does unintentionally is show what these problems can do to people subjected to them. Because the author clearly wanted to show "the proper way" to combat those problems
Extremely common subject matters in Korean media tbh, in movies, tv, manhwa, etc.
There are tons of sad manhwa with terrible moral messaging. As long as it's considered "revenge", anything goes apparently.
I still don't believe this was made to convince anyone reading this that: "senseless murder good" nor is that the case for any other revenge fantasy, it is just a revenge fantasy not a guidebook on how to live your life.
@@guyinaroom7771 as clarified in the video, the series is so poorly written and hollow that the only feasible reason you would ever unironically enjoy it is if you genuinely agreed with the main character and wanted to see him succeed. The series doesn’t offer any kind of tension or drama beyond that. It’s just a prolonged sequence of the bullies trying and failing to do anything to the mc, the mc corners them, they piss themselves and cry before they die, rinse and repeat for the entire series.
There are stories that we aren’t supposed to think the mc is right and they aren’t trying to say he’s justified, but those usually get around it with drama, stakes and moral ambiguity, this has none of that, it just has “watch a guy effortlessly murder anyone who wrongs him”.
@@tropicturtle9021 You genuinely believe someone reading it for the cool art, hype and violence cares about it being well written? It is indeed the same thing over and over again, yes the characters don't behave like real people, that is because it is a generic revenge fantasy.
Your entire point stands on the premise that it is literally impossible for someone to enjoy something for what it was made for.
You're going into a bike store and are upset that they have no burgers.
@@guyinaroom7771I have to apologize, but you're either being naive or obfuscating because you're guilty. Both Ledger's Joker and Phoenix's Joker are two of the best characters whose fanbases exemplify what the other guy is describing. And at least one of those Jokers was proved wrong in the end by the story he was in, and he still attracted the kind of fans the other comments is describing. To pretend like they don't exist, or like they wouldn't make up most of the fanbase for a series like this, is like I said either naivety or obfuscation.
@@blanktrigger8863 Yup, psychopaths interpret entertainment in a psychopathic way, that is indeed the case. This isn't any more harmful than other pieces of entertainment like it. The only thing that could change my mind is finding out about the nature of the author's intention. Until then, I'll assume it was a dude who wanted to create some hype artwork.
But please, let's not act like reading rooftop swordsmaster or anything like it is gonna convince anyone clapping innocent people for no reason is good unless they already believed that beforehand.
Man, it's strange how this is like a whole subgenre of it's own, I remember a while ago reading a manga of a boy whom his parents got killed by his bullies and his little brother was left on a coma, so he trains with his ex military grandpa and tortures and kills everyone of them, also another manga where the same happens but this time is the kid who dies and his mother kills his bullies
I know exactly which two you are talking about. The first one dragged on up to it's latest chapter (I'm just reading till it's finished), and the second one's pretty good since it's just starting.
(1: Juujika No Rokunin
(2: Maria no Danzai
What's this manhwa?
@@cisestarits a manga and its called Juujika no Rokunin
@@lucadoroftei3491 thank you brother.
@@thebadger622Maria no Danzai is just the same, but there is no supernatural garbage. The kids are still the same one dimensional losers, the story still seems to portray Maria as morally right, even if that's not the author's intention. Although here I feel it's due to the lack of experience on the author's side, rather than them being a revenge fetishizing edgelord. So far there's like 15 chapters out, so I can't say how it would turn out in the future, but two of the five children that are already dead have barely been fleshed out.
This is like "The boxer" but written by someone who unironically would make himself the Chad and his opponents the soyjack (everyone besides himself being the soyjack) 💀
I wouldn’t even compare this to the boxer. At least the mc changes over time.
This was clearly written by someone who read Death Note and thought Light was the good guy.
Light Yagami and a Death Note in this world in this point in time would singlehandedly bring world peace, wdym?
@@Rondart Oh no.
@@magnum-lr3xfGrowing up is the change in “I will never want to use a Death Note for any reason because murder is wrong.” to “You know what…”
@Rondart Light’s initial motive could be argued to be good or bad depending on your moral philosophy. However, he stopped being the good guy as soon as he made the decision to kill Lind L Taylor, someone he believed was innocent, just because they said he was evil. Doing something for the greater good does not make you good.
I’d say he falls more into the antihero category pre L’s death, and transitions into a straight up villain protagonist post.
Even if you hadn't said this story was a manwha, I would've been able to tell this story was korean just from the plot lol. SOOOO many of their power-fantasy stories are DRENCHED in so much nihilism and hatred of humanity, I can't stand it. Every human is either a selfish narcissist, or a "pure" teenage love interest.
also this was really good, I hope you do more like this. I shall subscribe mister
thats what happens when your country is comical levels of depressed
It makes it extremely refreshing when there's a manhwa that genuinely celebrates the human spirit.
@@Zyaphu People look at me like I am crazy when I say I would rather live in North Korea than South, but it's the ONLY sane decision if you look at the facts. South korea is a TERRIBLE place to live.
@@anothun9216Any recommendations?
I just wanna praise the editing here because that Da-Hun montage went so goddamn hard.
Best character in the entire series lol
Funny how he ends up literally betraying his own parent, his parents wanted justice and what did their son do?
*Commit innumerable injustice*
Ironic.
really just copied that other guys comment huh
@@shukohs lmfao, so now having same opinion as others is a crime? Wow what a world we live in
@@ryuoshinz you literaly copied the exact wording loser
@@shukohsliterally verbatim😭
I've read a lot of manwha, and the MC being bullied is such a common trope, it made me wonder if Korea has a huge problem with bulling in school or something.
They do actually. It's actually horrible some of the things they do to each other. If you look it up, you can see numerous headlines over and over again
@@Hyvexx Damn 🙁
There’s a reason for this, they follow Confucianism to a fault in their society. While it has honorable traits and conservative values, the part where you honor your elders is taken literally. The part where you have to do whatever an older person says, meaning if an upperclassman bullies you or anyone a little older than you bullies you, you’re not supposed to do shit about it. I know how this sounds but it’s a real thing.
Yeah, school violence or bullying is way more than it is out in the west, to the point in some cases that the perpetrators would be tried as adults in the west. It’s a lot more than simple harassment like in the west usually.
@@joshhale9355 That sounds awful, I wonder if it's tied to the pressure of having to preform good in school and get good grades. I know getting good grades is a big deal in Korea, to the extent that after school, a lot of students go to more school.
I love ruthless characters that do unspeakable things, but when you have that same character and the author tries to justify them just makes it bad.
I think the author is completely aware of what he is doing because very early on, the author shows that while everyone initially is sympathetic, but then view the MC as a complete villain after civilians and law enforcement start getting killed. Everyone fears him because to them, he is a murderous monster. The author sprinkles in moments of realization for the MC, ultimately ending the season with his gf getting critically injured. If anything, it is clear that the MC is portrayed as a villain purely by his expressions and the way he relishes his revenge. If you view it through another lense, it's essentially the set up for a villain. I honestly don't really agree the video for that reason.
@@HyvexxI'm so happy to finally see one comment that I completely agree with. This UA-camr's interpretation of the story is vastly different from the way I remember it. I dropped it maybe around Ch 30-40 something bc I could see it was becoming just "Hulk with sword beats ppl up" so it got boring. If THAT was the only criticism here, that it's a shallow revenge/power fantasy, then I'd get it. But the way this guy talks about it is so bizarre, it's not as bad as he makes it out to be, and the worst thing is that if I hadn't already read some chapters many years ago, I might have easily believed everything this dude said.
@@Hyvexx Broski, ANY TIME someone says "It may be legitimately dangerous" it's a dog whistle. And I mean ANY TIME. It even got your usual "I love X, I even love X more hardcore than this, but this X is problematic".
Like bruh, at best you can call this simply bad trauma dumping comic, and I'd agree with you, I'd never read this sh*t. Of course author is trying to justify it somewhat, since after all it's reflection of himself and bla bla you know the quote "Every villain is a hero in their own story", you can even critique that, you can critique the boring story, you can critique the over the top villains that are down right bad. And you'd be right! This is some low level sh*t and shouldn't be popular on that basis. However, moment you start talking about "This might actually promote school shooters" you've lost my attention. I'd rather hear concerned Baptist soccer mom complain about DnD and consider her points more carefully about how it's a gateway to Satanism than this video, and the soccer mom would actually have more point than this.
@@Hyvexxsounds like a school shooter sympathizer.
@@whydidyoutubeaddthis Where did this come from???
Rip Da Hun you almost beat the author's self insert
Ideologically, he did. A comedically overpowered, godlike monster of revenge comes for you and brutally maims you in the first attack... and you take a swing anyway and spit in its face while it chokes the remaining life out of you. That's far more character than the actual main character showed.
Who’s up for a little story?
When the Internet witnesses one of the worst stories ever written, Da Hun reveals himself, first as a brutal bully. As a bully, he uses his power to inflict pain on a soon-to-be GOD MODE GARY STU, and then he dies by the GOD MODE GARY STU’s hands, slowly and painfully. However, mere seconds after the final blow, Da Hun returns, this time as a great hero in our hearts.
@@Nameless-ln5mr waiiiiiit Razgriz?
@@ekulerudamuru Yep. I altered the Razgriz story into an epic about how an author writing a really bad revenge fantasy accidentally turned the last guy on his hit list into a hero in the eyes of saner readers!
@@l0rfyeah, he's in a completely reversed situation where the shoe is on the other foot, and instead of taking it like the mc did, he fought back
He showed how much of a coward he was
his trauma has led him to becoming the worst thing imaginable … a landlord.
If the author wanted to give the bullies a reason to be so obsessed with Se’Young, then all he had to do was have one of them be petty and want to take revenge (and then gets himself killed), another follows afterwards to try and smooth things over and push things under the rug, then the rest of them team up for self-defense
I think being acused of second degree murder, and then be proven guilty not once, but twice is quite a reason to hate him.
This guy didn't show it, but in the manga is shown all the backlash the people had on them, to the point that none of them managed to make a single friend in 3 years (except for two yakuzas), they literally were known as murderers in other countries, that why they were complaining that the last year were hell.
The bullies did start bullying Se'Young for a petty reason.
Namely, Se'Young was too slow in leaving a room and got in one of the yakuza bully's' way. So they started to bully him for that reason, with it mostly just being typical hazing stuff.
But then a pretty, rich girl joined school, rejected one of the bullies when he tried to ask her out, and befriended Se'Young despite being the local outcast/playtoy.
The abuse intensified since then, with them now bullying the girl too. Until Se'Young got in the way and tried to defend said girl, resulting into him getting beaten up to the point he got crippled.
Then the story with the parents happened, girl got practically erased from the records, and the rest is history.
@@SamElZombie I mean he got a couple good laughs outta me but WTF ain't that context somewhat important 🤣
@@JoeScmoe-g9y he also didn't show that the MC's gf got severely wounded in a fight, leaving him to think if about his actions and how it's his fault that his loved ones are in danger.
@@SamElZombie I mean, what does any of that actually change though? So he considered that maybe his actions are a bit bad... but then doesn't stop or change in any way? So what's the point of those scenes then? The dude still does all the heinous shit. If someone goes on a murder spree, partway through said spree feels a little bad, but continues to commit murders, we don't suddenly say "well hey, they aren't actually that bad, maybe they were justified" because that would be stupid.
He is basically the protagonist of most martial arts webnovels. A sociopath protagonist who kills everyone in his paths in this case minus the harem and the challenge.
I remember reading Martial Peak where the mc murders two guys. Sure, they were gonna beat him up but he kills them and has the girl who hired them dump their bodies in a river.
And they get married cause it’s a harem too.
Tf is this? Redo of healer?
@@sator2766bro had to take backshots from the big black guy in redo of the healer if i remember correctly
So honestly I don't blame him for becoming mentally unsalvageable
Id agree with you if he didn’t also have an insane murderous girlfriend like there’s scenes where the government decide its in their best intrest to listen to her and keep her safe because the mc will kill everyone if they don’t
Would be way less annoying if they fully accepted their sociopathic tendencies instead of doing the "no no no you're actually the bad person for trying so hard to be a good person" thing they do.
This was so weird that I began to create a theory that the main guy was still in a coma and was dreaming all this or that was all the sword fault that made him like that because was evil magical sword or some bs like that, and at the ending the protag would notice that everything he did was super wrong and would try to stop everything and turn himself to police or try and help with the riots in the city... But then I noticed I put more thought then the creator of this Manwha did...
Btw I just discovered this Manwha by this video so I started thinking this while watching
The sword Was actually one of those long light-bulbs that fell onto the MC.
Naw your just a bully sympathizer
@@solosolo8610 Why you think that?
I imagined the sword with the voice of that evil sword from the Puss In Boots series
@@Rebelcohe’s meatriding just ignore him
I'm a bully victim and this comic made me root for all eight of the bully characters the most for some reason
LMFAO
It's because they were getting bullied by the MC
@@Mag_ladroth by the author actually
Same
Why Would you root for Those people
This is hilarious, I can't tell if the creators did this intentionally or not, but they may have unironically committed nearly every generic OC design sin imaginable when creating the protag, they took the Buff Riku meme chose to give him blue hair and a cartoonishly large generic fantasy sword, and made his main outfit is a plain white T-shirt, sweat pants, and sandals and occasionally topping it off with a school shooter's black jacket with the tallest pop collar that could fully cover up the neck of Littlefoot.
Like goddamn, I couldn't help but spit take from laughter every time he pops up in the video after realizing this.
This story is so comedically unaware I think it's aware
"Plain white T-shirt, sweatpants and sandals" made me thought about Toji Fushiguro😂
tbf we always want that one manhwa that the mc just go on destructive rage and no story needed, i think this one is pretty enjoyable, compare to "Existence" which start really great but damn did it drag with dumb tropes and stupid mc
REAL@@seneschalorcberg1338
How have I been in the Kingdom Hearts fandom for over a decade now and have never heard of the buff Riku meme? Thanks for introducing me to it!
Seems like the perfect candidate for when someone makes a parody of this story and it's infinitely better.
If only
It's bad enough that I could probably do it. I probably won't though, I have more important things to do.
The funny thing is that it's not so hard, considering how ass the art of this manhwa. Not only incredibly bad proportions but 3d backgrounds. Oh god, it looks even worse in last chapter cuz it become a fantasy and there is many magical stuff
@@henryfleischer404be honest you can't do shit except writing bs on yt like claiming you can do things you can't actually do 😂
@@henryfleischer404whatever boats your float man
Da Hun still stood his ground and even though he was going to die, he stood his ground and him spitting on Sa young is one last act of defiance to his killer.
A rewrite that gives da hun justice.
Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends.
Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
@@KlintKaras this has the better plot than this sword thing
@@KlintKarasit took you a short time to actually fix this whole trash of a series
Ngl a plot where the hero becomes more evil than the bad guys during his revenge train would be cool if done correctly
They did that with an isekai hero who returns and his life is fucked so he snaps and starts killing people.
Eren Jaegar?
@@pierrelaplant7926 Which one is that?
@@concept5631 hero has returned
@@whyno7035 Thanks
If the author approached the story as Sae Yung being the villain and a cautionary tale of what happens when society pushes someone to edge maybe it would have been better
There's a manwha that does something like that... I don't remember its name, but is about a teenager that comes back from saving a parallel world only for his life to be ruined because of it: I don't remember if his parents died or just hate him for dissapearing all those years, people think he's crazy, and he ends up homeless... that's when he reveals that still has all the god-like power he adquired while saving the other world and he uses them to destroy his city, his whole country as revenge... and then things get even more crazy when other even more powerful "heroes" from parallel universes appear and start to wreck havok... its crazy, dark, and unlike "Rooftop Swordsman", it knows that its protagonists are monstruous
@@Mario_Angel_Medina i think its called the hero has returned, which was really good till season 2 was actually a prequel after we got stuck on a huge cliff hanger at the end of season 1, people who haven't read it need to give like 20 chapters for the story to actually make everything good and have depth
@@Mario_Angel_MedinaThe Hero has returned. I swear I just love the art. Story is alright but damn some give me goosebumps and emotional.
@@Mario_Angel_Medina
The Hero Has Returned is an awesome story.... But I gotta say, I really dont like how they handled the fall of the first hero we see.
Would even say Se'Young is way more redeemable than the Minsu Meat is.
Korean Joker
his voice........ its almost like hes still here with us.. fly high Da'hun, we will miss you.
A rewrite that gives da hun justice.
Imagine if the mc was still saitama but he was hyper fixated on not hurting innocents. Then he has a weakness and the bullies "cartoonish evil"ness was them using human shields. Then he's forced to come to terms with can he justify hurting the innocent to get revenge... And when he gets to du han the reason du han swings is cuz there's an innocent girl he kinda liked was there. And then when the MC sees him trying to protect the girl he starts to kill du han but in the end realizes he's changed and lets him leave but because he doesn't kill him the sword disappears and he's jailed. That'd be a good story... Maybe still make him be invincible without the sword but losing the sword affected his mind so now they can hold him. And if you wanted to be real dark... Make it so he's immortal and they keep trying to kill him(he won't die but he feels the pain) for all the damage he's done (and the surviving family of the bullies are pulling strings) . Then who should come to his defense to try and save him... Who starts a movement to stop the torture...? Its du han. Du han changed and has soo much guilt now that he was on the receiving end of bullying that he understands the MCs pain and wants them to at least just switch it to life in prison "the mc has suffered enough... I was the reason he lost his parents... Well me and his other victims. We have to end the cycle somewhere! We can't be the monsters he viewed us as! He spared me! He saw the good in me that he helped spark, and we all saw the evil in him that i caused. Yes he has to be punished... But you now know he wont die.so please... For everyone's souls,FOR ME, STOP TORTURING MC! I CANT LIVE WITH THIS GUILT! PLEASE!... Please..." Then the girl he saved walks over " please... We don't want this." And they walk away and the story ends with the courts saying "in the case of switching the mcs sentence to life, we decide..." And then it ends.
Du han wins in the end , not by using his family's power... But the MCs family's power... Love and compassion.
@@KlintKarasA youtube comment made a better story than the comic. Weird how I keep running into this.
are you the risk of rain 2 guy?
@@emerald3280 oh yeah that's me, I'm not sure why you're asking since we've known eachother for like 7 years
@@KlintKarasit can be a great videogame like gun grave or something
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I don't care if dawg was gonna lose, he looked at the face of Armageddon, disrespected the judge of his fate. Even if it was his ending HE DID WHAT HE DID BEST 🗣🔥💯
Just by the title alone, I thought this was going to be about people fighting with swords at rooftops or something
That would had been a better story than this abomination
Yeah, that would have been fun if the MC was fighting other building owners and slowly basically became the owner of the whole city so he could have his bullies evicted from their homes.
Imagine... Rooftop Brickmaster. Literally the same story, but protagonist kills his enemies with a magic brick.
there was maybe like one panel where the dude held a sword like a normal human being might, in none of them did he use it like a sword.
The reason why the Punisher works is that regardless of his involvement, if he gets his way it always ends in tragedy. He is a liability to everyone including himself, and the writers are fully aware of that.
This doesn't even have the awareness that a vigilante going through a power fantasy had most of the qualities of a villain.
punisher is shit as well though
@@Chaoblahippoelaborate?
@@Chaoblahippothe TV show is god tier and you should shut the fuck up
?@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38
Also it's been shown Frank doesn't really care about protecting people or preventing crime
Those comments at the end were depressing… They’re some actual death worshipping lunatics. Closer to the comical evil of the bullies than almost any other group I’ve had the displeasure of seeing. Thankfully that’s a rare kind of soupbrainery.
What a mistake reading those comments, it's insane the level of circlejerking the internet creates
Frankly this type of manwha isnt very uncommon. Im pretty sure there are a lot of manhuas as well with the exact kind of theme, especially with the cultivation kind of novels where they spend 2k chapters explaining the process of how our MC offends every large force in the world, defeats them, then repeat 4 times.
you should check out comment sections for "The Hero Returns"/"The Warrior Returns". just filled with lunatics screaming for the protagonist's blood because he isn't committing mass murder and they say things like "The Sword Hero is the real protagonist. He gets that sometimes, this shitty world is too much and will make us break!!!!!!" because he's... executing a genocide.
I feel like they're the type of mfs who think they act like the MC when in reality they're just... Losers.
That's not rare, you wish that was rare.
The edgy middle schooler attempt at John Wick
The author forgot what make john wick fun is his background he's the babayaga he got multiple decade of experince he have connection he have supplies every one in the underground world will shit their pant if they know he coming for them despite all this he still just a guy and only his skill is keeping him barely alive it have tention and stake that why it feel so satisfy when John Wick make it out alive
@@Rat_Fบcker boring
...and yet it is not only better than any of your pathetic attempts at so-called "real life", but that it also has better effort than anything that you lot have ever said, let alone did, in any of your sorry a
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s lives!
@@paxhumana2015 School shooter vibe here.... it's literally just people criticizing shitty manhwa and your defense is "iT tOoK mOrE EffOrtS tHaN cOMmEnT" and proceed to bully and insult people's life for criticizing said manhwa....that's HYPOCRITICAL. YOU CAN'T EVEN PRACTICE YOUR VALUE.
With John Wick, you're meant to root for him all the way through, whether you feel sad for him, in awe, etc. I think the author intended for Se'Young to start off with the audience rooting for him, then quickly taper off once they saw him go off the rails completely, which is shown when the public, himself, and close ones disagree with his views. The only ones that support him unconditionally are his entourage and some of the internet trolls. His revenge is meant to be stimulating but ethically wrong imo.
The premise and plot of this manhwa felt so familiar that I couldn't put my finger on it, until I realized: This is just a worse version of The Crow.
The plot of The Crow is similar: a man and his loved one suffer brutally at the hands of a group of one dimensional villains that managed to escape justice and he is then gifted supernatural abilities that make him an overpowered killing machine to exact revenge on those that wronged him.
However there are key differences that make The Crow a superior work over Rooftop Swordmaster:
1. Eric Draven (the MC) isn't being bullied, he and his fiance are outright murdered. The magic in question then resurrects him with the explicit purpose of killing these men as a way of balancing the scales. Eric doesn't have to question himself because not only is a power higher than himself allowing and encouraging his actions, but Eric is already dead. He literally has nothing cause once his mission is complete, he is to return to his grave. In this regard, the villains kinda need to be pure evil otherwise we would question the entity that brought Eric back and that isn't the intent. The story also makes it clear that, while Eric is literally a spirit of vengeance, there is more to him and the plot than just revenge.
2. Eric never goes overboard in his mission. While he gets the attention of the police who think he is just some crazy vigilante, he never tries to instigate or kill them. He only focuses on the people he was brought back to kill. He doesn't declare the city his enemy, he doesn't monologue like Light Yagami about how his actions are justice (even if in universe his actions are literally sanctioned by a higher power), and the only times he does kill people who aren't his main targets are when they are criminals trying to kill him or they threaten the life of someone innocent.
3. While the villains are pure evil scumbags, they're also not children; which I think makes a huge distinction. They may or may not have families, but its clear that these are fully formed adults who, for one reason or another, have made their choices, are content with them and and need to face punishment for their actions.
4. Eric is overpowered, but the story doesn't depict him as unbeatable. The main reason Eric is able to effortlessly kill his targets is because they don't know he is coming. Most of them he catches off guard and in the climax, the villains find his weakness and exploit it. Even when they know he is coming and he is at an advantage, it's never a "one and done" sequence. The action is always exciting due to the choreography and pacing.
5. Most importantly, the characters. Eric and most the supporting cast have all unique personalities, great banter with each other and memorable dialogue; even the villains, despite being pure evil, all have their own distinct personalities and quirks that distinguishes them from one another.
Also the villains (minus Skank) don't run away from Eric as he tries to hunt them down. They actively fight back or even throw the first punches. They are active threats at all times.
My God, you just pulled a punch there that I didn't expect. That's freaking right. Moreover, the Crow's theme is not singlehandedly vengeance, but also mourning, the longing of a life cut off too short, the tenderness of his fiancée, and the bleak stains of bitterness that perverse actions leave behind: no one wins, not even the villains gain really anything besides short term... satisfaction. It's really all that bad for nothing.
I love the original comic, kinda like the movie and haven't read the other interpretation, but seeing how a premise can change with few tweaks and yet have tremendous differences due to their authors' values and storytelling is always baffling to me. Whoever wrote this manwha should really do what the nurse tell Se Young: go outside and live life at the best of their abilities.
"The Crow", is that manga or manhwa?
@@diazkohen2149 it's an american comic book, though I'm more familiar with the film adaptation.
@@diazkohen2149it's a movie.
A story about a kid that got bullied ends up becoming a bully in addition to being a mass-murdering, terrorist. Would've been an interesting theme if the author went with that and had the MC realize that "oh shit, wtf am I doing? I'm no better than the people that bullied me...I'm much worse."
He doesn't bully anyone what are you talking about? Dudes like you are scum only care when something happens to the bully but are quiet when the bullies start stuff with people
Subahibi did it better and first for real lol
You clearly never read the manwha. He never became the bully. There was never any scene in which the mc was bullying his bullies.
@@solosolo8610 yeah he's much worse than that, he's straight up killing people who can't fight back lmao
@@RaizerZ yeah he's much worse than that, he's straight up killing people who can't fight back lmao
My favorite part's about John Wick is actually how he kills the mob boss' son, just;
"It was just a fucking dog!" *BANG!!!*
and then just walks away, no words, and no fucked up sadism. Bang-boom mission complete, John, now try to keep moving. What a good, simple, and human revenge story.
That's John Wick's MO. Quick and too the point. He doesn't want someone to die painfully if he can help it. He's not out to torture anyone. He kills you and then moves on with his life (or at least tries to, people keep dragging him back).
That's John Wick's MO. Quick and too the point. He doesn't want someone to die painfully if he can help it. He's not out to torture anyone. He kills you and then moves on with his life (or at least tries to, people keep dragging him back).
he's a professional.
It's the difference between a mature author and whatever misbegotten gremlin with desperate need for therapy wrote this heap of pig's excrement.
@@1eyeddevil929 and professionals have standards
Here's how you fix this entire series: you start with Da'Hun being a sympathetic kid that's given these powers, but as the plot goes on he becomes more and more violent obsessed, with the bullies becoming more and more regretful and self reflective of their choices as their mortality constantly comes into question. At the same time Da'Hun begins questioning his vengeance and begins wondering if he's going too far by hurting innocent people. Flip the script so that the sympathetic protagonist becomes the villain because his obsession with getting revenge has consumed him.
Dahun was one of the bullies, not the MC
@@jordanloux3883 in that guy's defense the bullies are all so generic it's hard to remember their names
Se Young, not Da Hun.
He lost his parents to these bullies; I mean most people in real life wouldn't forgive people like that for the rest of their lives. And that's regardless of how great they become. There's some transgressions that are hard to forgive, no matter what. That's realistic. Only that this time the loser becomes homelander and decimates them and both the bullies and him are one-dimensional. There could have been so much potential with this manhwa though. That's for sure.
so attack on titan?
The amount of actual hob goblins that are saying the most disgusting revolting garbage at the end there actually disgusts me. You can GUESS what these people look like
I can guess what they SMELL like
Reminds me of the original The Boys comic. It's shockingly similar, actually. Villains are all just cartoonishly 1 dimensional assholes who exist solely for the heroes to brutally murder, and said heroes can never possibly be wrong no matter how hypocritical they are, because they're enemies shove hamsters up their ass or something. It's honestly a wonder the Amazon show came out as good as it did.
Sometimes you never have to meet a person *in-person* to see how little they've grown in maturity since age 14. The writer of the boys is one of those.
@@lucasaldous4683Always found people who made wild assumptions about people they've never met and know little to nothing about to be pretty shallow. You could judge the work as garbage (which it is), but why the author?
@michelangelo8156 Hey I'm not saying he's a BAD person. But his writing in the og comic OOZES the kinda edglord energy you see in a number of middle schooler's works where the assumption is "BLOOD AND SEX MAKE ME DARK MATURE AND KOOL"
@ldous4683Yeah, he's work is typical edge lord nonsense and he *may* be an idiot irl too, but my problem is more with just judging a random person you barely know in general than him specifically.
Edit: You know, I kinda realised I'm kinda being a hypocrite by also judging people I don't know as 'shallow' over their opinion, so my apoligies for that. To rephrase, I meant the *act* of judging people rather than the people judging them. Yep. Good enough.
i mean, it was written by Garth Ennis, who notoriously absolutely HATES every single superhero in the american mainstream comic book industry (except Punisher and Daredevil, mostly because they are the only ones without powers). The Boys comic book is just Ennis barfing his hate for comic book heroes ad nauseum, and even when it has good moments or points it is always draged down because of the author's hate for the idea of a caped hero. The show is better because it uses the idea of 'what if supers but real' as a starting point for the plot, not as an outlet.
I'll be honest, I like the idea of the sword being a 3d model. If really gives of an otherworldly nature... in a rough way
problem is, even the phone he holds is a rough 3d model
@@kevinpeixes3735Yeah if it was just the sword it'd be an interesting artistic choice
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I agree
This type of story is when you are playing with a shitload of random toys as a kid and making your protagonist do the exact same as in this webtoon
After over half an hour of hearing about this manhwa, I thought it might be the worst thing I've ever seen.
Then you showed the comment sections of all the people who unironically enjoy it, and I realized the fans magically out-edged the author.
Why did he suddenly become like 8 ft tall after doing some moderate exercise for a year 😂
thats probably incels and shut-ins idea of how "training" works, delusional power fantasy fueled by unresolved conflicts
he worked out his height muscles
You’re questioning that and not questioning how some giant sword came flying down from the sky?
Anime things idk
Why did working out make sae young like 2 feet taller lmao
Facts
Because thr author is short and he'd like to be tall
author probably never worked out a day in his life, so he probably think thats what you become after doing 10 squats
he drank a lot of milk
If that's how it works, can not working out make me shorter 🥺
I remember finding this story while browsing the catalog.
The whole "my parents martyred themself, gunna be an asshole and murder peeps now."
It fails so fucking hard, so fucking quick.
It's like the quiet kid's drawing pad.
It would have been very funny if the story dropped all pretenses and Da'Hun swinging at the main character actually worked.
This obsession some people have with raping spesificaly the female antagonist is honestly terrifieng. Sexual assault themes weren't even in the story (To my knollege), they literally just brought this in from some sick corner of their mind
It makes you wonder about the authors mental health
@@gabrielsyme4550 the author's? Isn't it tho like the fans that came up with it?
The author only wrote a schlocky power fantasy
@@dominusantonius The pointed it out because the comments singled out the female character. They wanted to add an extra layer of torture simply because she was a woman. They didn't want the male characters to get raped, did they?
@@dominusantonius Tbh, any kid who has violent rape fantasies because about some bullshit power fantasy revenge manga is probably not being bullied, people are just fed up with his toxic creepy attitude and pushing back.
@@dominusantoniustrivialising sa is something horrible in every sense of the word hell thinking there is at all a justification for it is psychotic. People who think like this are legitimately detraments to society and contribute to real instances of justifying sa. So no, it's not a story. it's the fact that real people think it's justified at some point
My god. At least the antagonists in persona 5 had a believeable motive to be so outlandishly evil. These MFs are just obsessed with this kid for seemingly no reason.
Yeah and in the End it is not About killing them it is more about Helping them to become a better person
@@buecherhamster1496 not even that, the villains in P5 are unreedemable, but they are not killed because the protagonists are not psychopaths. Kamoshida isn't sent to rehabilitation or anything, he is insulted for being a rapist and sent to rot in jail.
P5 villains also have some pretty interestig nuance too. Sae and madarame especially.
I fucking love Persona 5 so fucking much
I was bullied as a child and I grew a lot during puberty, I am at 6'4, around 210 pounds now. And I was a huge bully during uni and my first couple of jobs, provoking people, playing on their insecurities, gaslighting them, threatening them phyiscally, and I always thought I was in the right because I still had the victim mentality and still thought that it was the world against me
I went to therapy and one of the first things I realized was that I never punched up, I only tortured people who had no chance of defending themselves. I was a much worse bully than anyone who teased me ever was
My priviledge was that I had opportunites to admit fault and to be forgiven. But the guilt of having been a bully is a much greater pain than any bullying I received
This manwha reminds me a lot of my path and what could've been if I never reflected upon myself. I find that interesting and scary, and it underlines to me even more how miserable of a story it is
The initial set-up of the manwha reminded me of a comicbook from the 90s called "Animal Urbano", about a homeless mutant that goes arround fighting criminals, corrupt policemen, mobsters, cult-leaders etc. The differences between the Urban Animal and Sai-Young (I hope I wrote it correctly) is that the comicbook constantly introduced regular people as side-characters to empatize with, so the audience may know that the inmortal hulkish creature whose name is on the covers will still be alive at the end of any issue, but can only hope that the decent down-on-their-luck civillians the creature finds along the way will survive till the end of the issue... is the same principle as One-Punch Man, you know Saitama will win any fight he gets in, but the tension comes from hoping the other character will stay alive long ennough for him to arrive
On webtoons there’s a comic called Urban Animal. Is it based off of that?
@@luckystarplays1837 as far as I could find, the two comics are unrelated. If you're curious about the one I was talking about, its autors are Guillermo Grillo and Edu Molina
This is for the people who leave those comments complaining that”this mc is so weak”. What they are really saying is “I can’t watch this and live out my revenge/ power fantasies”. They don’t care about seeing a character struggle and grow because they don’t want that for themselves. A sword falling from the sky and a training montage is all they want so they can skip to what they want to see. Someone who is so strong that they don’t have to grow or mature, who easily kills anyone they want.
Yup. Its called a power fantasy.
This video had more thought put into it than the entire manhwa.
Too much thought honestly.
Make it seem like it doesnt take much to criticize than actually create does it.
I mean, atleast the first few chapters did have some well-thought plot
You'd be surprised at how much thoughtless manhwa/hua(s) are published each month. I'm more inclined to believe these types of comics are just products made for quick cashgrab/clout.
Not much of a stretch lol
holy shit the protagonist unironically has the hair of Teruki Hanazawa from mob psycho
This kind of writing is typical in light novels. Cultivation stories are literally this, on repeat.
Xianxia is fascinating, in that it's a genre which is 99.99999% dogshit, and 'good xianxia' is generally made by people overseas who read actual xianxia and go, _"... Yeah, but what if you took the good ideas here and didn't weld them onto a story about one douchebag VS a billion Snidely Whiplashes that are also rapists?"_
Like, "This Junior is a Good Seed" (AKA Good Seed Quest) has built a gigantic collaborative writing community, and has a total of ONE villain who's as nakedly horrible as the standard xianxia antagonist (and he's used quite sparingly).
Even one of the major antagonist factions - Blood Sect cultivators, people who cultivate via cannibalism and whose elders have names like Kinslaughterer and Corpse Gulper - end up having a little bit more going on under the hood.
To be fair it’s a genre based on humans who ascends to god hood
@@AYAKXSHIYeah but even then humans aren't so one dimensional, even on a power trip they dont tend to be wholly evil or wholly good
@@MontySlython depends on the human some humans are one dimensional also the genre wholeheartedly express this depending on the adaptation of the novel
There were more things going on than just the revenge plot, this video just explicitly brushed all those things aside upt to like the last minute , all because the OP wanted to crap on how edgey this manhwa is.
This manga is like if someone took the time and effort to write and draw someone's edgy revenge fantasies.
Most true comment, in this comment section.
It's like a manga drawn by onision
That's literally what it is
But hey, it's still better than actually acting upon them
That is exactly what it is which is what makes it fun. I love it as a revenge fantasy manwha. It's great.
Wont lie, those commenters at the end of the video need serious help.
Fellas, be like luffy, luffy does what he likes regardless of what people think, luffy calls people out for doing things that are wrong and holds them and them alone accountable. Be like luffy, not like sayung
He mogged an entire country ngl
false
cope
Had me rooting for Dae Hun with that edit but yeah he swung
Edit and the song that played during ducking slayed me 😂
I would like a re-telling of this story in the pov of the bullies and government. An Invincible DemiGod vs The people who created that monster (but make the bullies actual characters)
Plot twist : he is still in coma
Just as he said other characters are so one dimensional that it look like he is imagining them to be like that
Author only have to end with a last panel of this being a school shooter power fantasy and it would be a good manhwa lol
@propablyconfused honestly if at the end it is revealed it was all a dream the story would be redeemed 10× over
@@propablyconfusedThis is it. This is how it should end.
Bro wakes up from the coma, finds out that the bullies got properly punished by their parents, said bullies feel regret and don’t bother him anymore, and the series ends with him never getting the sword and being sad that he couldn’t fulfill his revenge fantasy.
@@jblazerndrowzy
Regular kid gets bullied into a coma. Wakes up as an incel. Because he's incel, he gets bad ending.
Is this your idea of a good story? I feel people must have excessive privilege in the woke form, to dismiss every fantasy made to need a happy ending or philosophical ending. No everything is good, and if we are gonna give "exploring the concept" a free pass, then we can't judge anything until it ends.
1. We should be able to judge things whenever we are at something.
2. All interpretations of what makes it better is default wrong.
Overall, this isn't about the feelings of the audience or moral structure of characters and understanding. It's a story being a story. Not everything is meant to send a message.
@@furyberserk You know what, I apologize
For your inability to read a joke
I can see his aunt disowning him, saying “that’s not the child my sister raised.” Then he kills her and his uncle…I feel like that would happen because ain’t no way this man has a perfectly working and sane moral compass.
I know this wasn't at all your main point when making this video, but hearing the first part about how people make these stories not because they want them to be popular, but because its a story they want told, and that there's people who go looking for such things because they enjoy the passion behind the author's presentation despite any setbacks like pure lack of drawing skill... kinda unbelievably inspiring, like even on a psychological level. Right after you said that, I made a webtoon to post comics as just regular practice for the stories I do want to tell. Thanks for being that push and direction I needed to get started.
Same, that part was really inspiring and pushed me to pick up my tablet again after four months of no practice
awesome
Wish he pinned this comment fr
I hope you keep going and improving and end up where you want to with your art and stories!
Keep going, everyone believes in you and your passion
Considering how all-mighty the bully-parents seem to be portrayed, they sure dropped the ball on not bribing some doctor to pull the plug while the main character was in a coma. No way eight of them would just leave a loose end open like that.
(having watched the rest of the video, this is actually the least of the "story"'s problems)
The country is so enraged that even the president visit him. I don't think there's a doctor that brave enough to do it.
In my headcannon, the nurse from the beginning has a talk with him after his rampage. She just sits down and reminds him of what he was. Who he used to be. How he was once human. But not anymore. And then he just stares off into the void, feeling empty and unfulfilled.
"You've got what you finally wanted. Is it as great as you imagined?"
...
it mostly ends up like that, but the nurse is replaced with his GF.
@@SamElZombie
Said girlfriend is morally the opposite of the Nurse tho, as she fully supported the slaughter.
Although spoiler alert:
I guess it was bittersweet anyway, given how the revenge plot lead to her almost dying, with the MC only being able to save her with a surgery that is likely to cause heavy memory loss.
@@zettovii1367 anoteher line break after "spoiler altert:" would be nice. (Although I'm currently waiting for the next chapter.)
@@mawillix2018
Gotcha
@@zettovii1367thank you!
The fans of this are the same people that go to Berserk and hyper focus on the rape and brutality of the characters
Yeah, I saw a comment under one of the chapters that said "this is like Berserk but without rape"
@@h1ghfell680Saying that feels like a spit in the face to Miura
This Manhwa feels like a self-insert from an artist who was bullied, and became very edgy, to the point where their morality got twisted.
EDIT: Ye, he said "This is a school shooter power-fantasy.". My comment is redundant.
It feels like the author didn’t self insert and is actually meant to be that bad as a panel actually makes the mc look bad but is completely overlooked immediately
@@zeddyking1408 me when i am a poor unfortunate soul
Let's be honest we don't know what the author is thinking we just all guessing but I can't deny there is some realism in this if some guy gifted a demigod powers there's a high chance they're not going to use it for helping people
Aren't all these revenge series like that though?
To be fair, if that legit happened to him, then i kinda understand.
The guy bruhbruh was the only sane enough to realize rape is wrong
27:10 what if you
wanted to humiliate your bully
but DA hun said
"I am the indomitable human spirit personified RAAAHHHHH"
Da Hun when he catches Soy Boy Young talkin out his neck
"Nah, I'd swing.
I'm not saying that I'll win, I'm just saying I'd fight back."-Da Hun
Bullies 1-7: Hehe look at these disgusting losers who die so quickly to my awesome self insert badass gary stu character don't you think they're such losers and im so right
Da-Hun: *The indomintable Human Spirit in its full defiant glory*
This manwha is if you played gta irl with all the cheats
Or played Minecraft on creative mod
then wheres the gentlemens club? 😂😂