Yoram Hazony: The case for National Conservatism in the UK
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Yoram Hazony gives a lecture at the very first UnHerd club event.
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I am English, but since 1990 I have lived a lot in France, now I’m retired I’m here all year round. Although my previously liberal left politics were already changing, it was the experience of living with French culture and society that really forced me into accepting that the world is made up of discrete entities that we may as well call nations. I believe this notion leads to diversity, whereas the globalist plan seems to terminate in a kind of uniformity. That alone should make the internationalist liberals think hard, though I am not optimistic about that.
So I have become a ‘rosbif’ in France fluent in French and with only French friends and acquaintances, who voted for Brexit. It’s been a shock for some of my friends, and inconvenient in some ways, but I think it better to accept nationhood with all the linguistic and cultural baggage rather than the utopian silliness of One Planet.
Thanks for your excellent lecture.
I had the same experience. Years spent living abroad shook me out of my belief that I was a "citizen of the world" and made it very clear that I was, in fact, English, with my own culture's specific habits and perspectives of things. I eventually moved away from the left, voted for Brexit, and now strongly oppose mass immigration. I moved back to the UK a few years ago and am a bit sad at what will inevitably be lost due to the demographic changes, but I think at least the experience of gradually becoming a minority in our own historic homeland, predicted to be completed in my lifetime, will act as a stimulus for the revival and restoration that Hazony talks about, at least on a cultural level.
@@tomemery7890 same ,many years growing up abroad.made me drop my default " one world" thinking and appreciate unique english national identity
Glad for you
No one voted for WEF and I don't want anything to do with them
I agree in essence but the truth is, then you have to limit immigration from countries whose people have a completely different culture. You cannot have national conservatism if you are allow your country to be swamped by people who do not share your history and values!
Conservatism is alienate Europeans now, especially social conservatism.
I agree and people coming from France on boats is a tiny fraction of the reality of immigration. There is no justice in thieving talent from the third world although I would propose little can be done regarding family reunification. It is also striking that the numbers of babies aborted each year has parity with the number immigrating.
Its a joke. Its not as if the case is being made by John Smith or Fred Bloggs.
The whole thing is bogus. The message is, "let the foreigner, the invader tell you what's acceptable for you to have in your own country. Anything else isn't civilised".
The response to this should be "Get lost. British or English Republic fully on board with mass repatriation for anyone imported or decended from those imported since 1947 (the year we were gmfinally going to be made citizens in our own land and STILL got no opportunity to exercise our consent)."
Anything else is just surrender.
'Liberalism is humanist totalitarianism' - Henry Sire.
Good speech
He got most of it right. Missed a few points that help better describe the current war we're in, but good enough, especially his recognition that transnational and multinational corporations are the new world rulers through their union at the WEF.
At last, the beginnings of an intellectual underpinning to this rebellion.
WAS THERE A Q&A AFTER? WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR THAT IF POSSIBLE.
Each of your natural families has a genotype & a phenotype. You would do well to retain, protect, & extend both .
National distinctiveness. Dynamic peaceful interplay of Nations ...is creative. ✌
Now is the moment. This guy is great I saw him on NatCon4
Outstanding lecture. 👋👋👋👋
He has a fundemental confusion about how traditions grow and change. Sometimes a an inherited tradition can be replaced by something better, and sometimes those changes mean that there is a fundemental shift in how things work. What we want is to adopt changes that are good and get rid of traditions that are bad. We don’t want to progress into the future traditions that worked in the past just because they worked in the past. It’s not a case of ‘repairing’ that tradition, because the tradition isn’t broken, the problem is just that it might not solve the new problems we are faced with. Some people get rid of bikes not because they are broken, but because they discover that their old bike isn’t suitable.
18:49 essential point of the speech
He is like the polar opposite of Barbara Spectra of Sweden.
Advocating for nationalism and conservatism while our National interests and our Nation conservation is denying them to other nations to maintain one’s own nation…. Hypocrisy anyone?
The Nat-Cs are coming to get ya 🤦🏽
So many holes in this. Demonstrates the current lack of vision and imagination in current political thinking.
(((Yoram Hazony)))
I'm 15 minutes in and I can't listen to any more of this absolute guff. It's just assertion after assertion with zero evidence to support what he's saying. Brexit voters think X. Liberals think Y. Young people think Z about politics, all without any data. I'm fine with someone making the case for National Conservatism in the UK (I clicked on the video, after all) but, come on UnHerd, find someone better than this.
It seems to be an attempt at categorization, which doesn't require evidence. My objection is that after a half hour of categorization, it's still vapid. Not bad at explaining what national conservatism is *not,* but it would seem to take in much that he probably doesn't intend to. Apparently it's about identifying those affiliations that constitute nationality, then working to rebuild whatever traditional institutions make them what they are -- whatever those may be. If only he gave examples of how that plays out, it might be interesting.
You got to laugh at this. Notice ots not John Smith or Fred Bloggs making the case for national conservatism. Oh no.
Zero credibility whatsoever.
National Conservatism is a euphemism for Provincial Fascism. LMAO
True Fascism has never been tried lol
@@grannyannie2948 The west is rife with fascism. As a matter of fact the US was fascist before the ink could dry in 1776.
The US was a dress rehearsal for Nazi Germany. And furthermore the US had a far greater margin of success at it. Nazi officials came to the US "before" the start of WWII to study the mechanics of how to brutally subjugate targeted populations and formally codify the depravity it into law.
- Fascism
- Eugenics
- Human Experimentation
- Mass Genocide
- Forced Slave Labor
- Forced Sterilization
- Death Camps (Antebellum Plantations)
- Mass Surveillance
- Native American Reservation System
- Jim Crow Laws
- Suppression of Democracy
- Suppression of Protests
- Suppression of Free Speech
- Large Scale Land and Resource Theft
.....were all honed to exquisite perfection in the US well ahead of anything coming from that backwater at the time known as Nazi Germany.
@@presterjohn1697 I've never been to America. I was merely misquoting what the left always says about Marxism. I did know IBM and Ford both supported Hitler. More seriously Fascism could only be an improvement on liberalism at this point. This guy is right to recognise it is popular at a grass root level. There just aren't enough politicians recognising it.
@Aristocrat of the Soul Actually the US has all of them and more. It has turned those same fascist tools normally used on brown people back on it's own WASP population today.
Mandates
Lockdowns
Passports
Vaccines
GMOs
Pharmaceuticals
5G
Fluoridation
Toxic Food
Inflation
Chemtrails
Privatization
Artificial Intelligence
Transhumanism
You and your closest loved ones won't to make it 2025 due to these policies. How does it feel to be on the menu?
Your white skin provides you no protection in this system. Pour some gravy over yourself and garnish it with a sprig of parsley.
Aristocrat Lunchmeat.
@Aristocrat of the Soul Get to know yourself......... the fate that awaits you: ua-cam.com/video/W4bvRamMiY4/v-deo.html
Visco ousou attacked … re: the colonial agenda seems an odd description. And a rather racist ( in hiding, badly) notion. It was dismantled and attacked because is SUBJUGATED OTHER NATION STATES ! And other perspectives and self organising NATIONS.
This is a great lecture, I will relisten to this a few times to soak it all in.
Destroy all ships which try to moore in Britain. Close the channel tunnel. Prohibit all air traffic above the island.
Then you have National CONSERVATISM in the UK...
The EU was also meant to be a negotiation platform, related to what should be decided supranational on a continental level and what can better be organized in the different countries.
@@markusmuller6173 Absolute nonsense. You’re claiming that conservatives don’t want to trade or have immigrants? It’s about CULTURE and PRESERVATION of that culture. Conservatives only want to pull up the drawbridge when this is at the point of being destroyed.
@@mokitaism I critizise the propagated ideas of this video clip. Mandatory bagpipe lessons are not necessarily the best solution for negotiating fair compromises for opposing desires. And of course, some feel quite naked when asked to shed their kilt...
But please tell me: which of the traditions you actually lived out did the EU (try to) destroy or prevent?!?
Regardless of Mr. Haznoy being right or wrong he is articulate, thoughtful, informed, and respectful - thank you for allowing him this platform...
Very easy to understand unlike tyranny. Thanks for sharing. X
Hazony is right that nationalism must stand up and defeat globalism. But to do so, it’s of the utmost importance to distinguish between the two forms of nationalism, civic and ethnic. While Hazony favours ethno-nationalism for his people, he rejects it for ours. Ask yourself this question, “If ethno-nationalism is good enough for his people, why isn’t it good enough for ours?”
Civic nationalism is the same thing as globalism because in both cases whites become a minority.
Well said.
If the Global South ever practiced ethno-nationalism Europe wouldn't have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of.
It's no secret, the overwhelming majority of the world's strategic resources are located within the Global South.
Europe's access these materials is the result of wide-scale hegemonic war, and rampant theft.
And the irony of the whole thing is that those same elite corporations & wealthy families involved in global theft have pivoted and turned their collective appetite "back" on Europe's working class. Ripe for exploitation and plunder.
George Carlin said it best: "It's a club and you ain't in it". Your status a WASP Brit provides you no cover. The corporate class will consume you without hesitation.
While you work feverishly to expel brown people the real villain lives in a Palace surrounded by opulence paid for by your tax dollars.
@@presterjohn1697 ever heard of international trade?
@@GeorgeK654 What does Europe actually have to trade in comparison to the Global South? Europe is cold, sun deprived, agriculturally weak, and resource poor.
The splendor of Europe is the result of labor and resource theft. It has nothing to trade except treachery.
I'm as Anglophile as the next man, but it is just silly to think that the democratic traditions we cherish are to be found uniquely in England and in the countries that were part of the British Empire at one time or another. What about France? What about Switzerland? What about The Netherlands? And on and on.
You're right. He's lecturing to a London audience so makes sense. If he gets invited to continental Europe I'm sure there'd be more countries where things have already swung inn the direction of nationalist conservatism. North America, UK, Aus/NZ etc. are in the grip of this aimless woken dream we need to awaken from. There's no leadership in Indonesia.
I think he's saying they began in England and spread to the rest of the world, most recently through the vehicle of exported culture from the US across the globe.
@@waynzignordics Maybe so, but that's not really true either is it? To keep it simple, democratic traditions evolved in England and France, neighbouring countries over the centuries, and later in America, and one country's experience fed into the other. The Puritans behind the English Republic were influenced by the ideas on sovereignty of French thinkers at the time of the Wars of Religion, the French were influenced by the American Revolution, and both English and Americans by the French Revolution. And so on.
@@andrewbaldwin4454 Sure, but it was France that strayed from the traditions that took root in England and eventually founded America. France went running back to those traditions to avert a third civil war. That's why England and the US can lay claim to them, France not so much.
French liberalism has a very different flavour than English liberalism.
This lecture is thirty years too late.
I don’t think nationalism and conservatism are related. Conservatives are patriotic and they can be isolationist, but nationalism is distinct to British conservatism.
On the contrary, you cannot be a Conservative unless you're a nationalist. Otherwise what are you trying to conserve? A political union?
@Aristocrat of the Soul And? 19th century Conservatives jailed people for being gay. Times move, politics does also. Nationalism is a key foundation of modern Conservatism. In direct opposition to liberal globalism. As Churchill said "we will defend our native land"
@Aristocrat of the Soul Good grief lol. I am baffled by so called traditional Conservatives like yourselves. What is wrong with accepting the good parts of modernity and conserving the best parts of the past? Churchill was liberal for his time in many ways but will always be a Conservative icon. I have zero time for people who assume that everyone who ever followed any ideology is forever tainted. Reagon was a democrat I suppose you think he was a bad man too?
@Aristocrat of the Soul Lol fair enough, I've met some pessimistic conservatives but you might take the biscuit!
@@seanpidduck Well said. Part of conservative conservation is our national culture
Its all so tiresome, the subject can only be broached without ridicule if its from a member of a certain group...guess we ain’t supposed to notice that either.
Don't hide your point. Be bold enough to say what you are thinking.
So he takes us from only 3 choices, to only 4 choices? I think that there are many things that could tie a people together. I would suggest a hyperlocalized framework. If one cannot receive audience for an opportunity to achieve redress for decisions affecting one's life, is power too far removed from the people?
The definition of nationalism is a race of people on a plot of land that is their ancestral homeland. The Jewish people for the longest time were referred to as the Jewish nation. The most important part of the concept of a nation is its people. So if you’re an English nationalist, then that means that you seek to preserve an English character and national identity within the English nation. And that’s OKAY! All people of the world deserve a homeland where they can preserve their people into the future. I don’t believe in the liberal concept of universal human rights, but I do believe In the inalienable human right of self determination.
I'm not only a libertarian, but lean toward anarcho-capitalism and voluntaryism. These philosophies grew out of classical liberalism but have gone beyond it. So yes, I am a liberal. In the free polity I advocate, there'd be nothing to stop conservatives from living their philosophy, but no, they couldn't use the might of the state to impose their values on me. In the sort of radically free polity I advocate, entire cities might be owned and run on strict conservative principles. Conservatives, just like left-liberals, always have to use force to get people to live by their values. Libertarians use persuasion and example. Life. Liberty. Property. Freedom of trade and association. No, you can't do anything you want. You can't trespass. You can't kill. You can't assault. You can't vandalize. You can't steal. Libertarian political principles create a foundation for many structures, many societies and many spontaneous orders. Freedom is right. Freedom is kind. Freedom works. No apologies and no quarter to conservatives and left-liberals and their coercive philosophies and schemes.
Yet people still trespass, kill, assault, vandalise and steal even with state power trying to stop them. You acknowledge these are bad things yet the structures you believe in do nothing to stop them. At least the left is trying to fix the root cause of these issues and the right is trying to punish criminals so disproportionately to the point people don’t want to risk it. Anarchism may be morally superior in theory but in every situation a power vacuum leads to a power structure but the fact you want to remove the democratic political structure and preserve an authoritarian economic structure makes me doubt your commitment to the moral axiom ‘live and let live’
I loved this
Whenever I hear an intellectual conservative, I also hear a religious fundamentalist, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or otherwise. I still don't understand political conservatism except as a weak and ineffectual opposition to progressivism. Bring on the populists and the libertarians.
Destroy all ships which try to moore in Britain. Close the channel tunnel. Prohibit all air traffic above the island.
Then you have National CONSERVATISM in the UK...
The EU was also meant to be a negotiation platform, related to what should be decided supranational on a continental level and what can better be organized in the different countries.
You are truly so dumb.
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Interesting. I posted a comment unfavourable to Hazony's proposition, and posted a link to a lengthy recent interview he gave to Andrew Sullivan (about three weeks ago on Sullivan's Dishcast podcast). And? The comment has been removed. Fairly innocuous, I would have thought. Surely this runs counter to Unherd's ethos...? Anyway, what Hazony proposes is a kind of religious nationalism (it doesn't really matter what religion it is -- in the US or UK, it would be Christian nationalism), and it is extreme right whatever way you cut it. To which I say, loudly and emphatically, 'No thank you.'
Sullivan draws him out well in his interview, which runs to about 90 minutes. Sullivan's obvious discomfort at what Hazony proposes also comes across. It's worth listening to because Sullivan is himself a religious conservative, as well as being a skilled interviewer as an accomplished journalist.
Hope this post doesn't offend. No idea why the last one was removed.
Interesting. What is your view on the enlightenment and reformation rebranding Christianity? I would propose that liberal evangelical protestantism is 'minimum viable religion'.
@@liammccann8763 I don't understand your question. Can you clarify on what you mean by "the enlightenment and reformation rebranding Christianity"? I don't understand your proposal in the second part either. (Sorry!)
@@lewreed1871 it would be the view of Trad Catholics that protestantism is not Christianity; it is rather minimal viable religion. Christ established One Church, even Google agrees with that.
@@liammccann8763 The short answer is that, as an atheist, I don't take a view either way in theological disputes between Catholics and Protestants. From personal experience, I've only ever heard Protestants claiming that Catholicism isn't Christian. I don't think Catholics claim that Protestantism isn't Christianity, just that it's not authentic (and you'd only ever get this much out of a priest - laymen for the most part wouldn't say it because they don't tend to be well-versed in Church history, philosophy and theology). I suppose that criticism goes both ways if sola scriptura is your thing. As a liberal gay lapsed Catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland, I'm very content with the liberal spirit of toleration, and would defend that.
@@lewreed1871 I also grew up in N Ireland, Derry, and I am well-versed on Church history etc as a certified Catechist in the Archdiocese of Southwark. As Catholics we believe that the triune God is reflected in His creation, in the 'unity' of the three persons. There is no unity in the 31,000+ so-called Christian denominations and one must ask, what protestants were doing for 1500 years. In the office of our Episcopate, we Catholics have a direct line back to the Apostles and Christ. Protestants reject the Deposit of Faith, the Catechism and the Magisterial teaching Tradition.
The liberal enlightenment, and reformation, caused a fracture in Christianity. As St Paul told us however, the Church is the Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head (1 Corinthians 12), and as Christ's body suffered, we to will surely suffer, for with it comes salvation.
The point Hazony fails to make, is that conservative does not equate with Tradition, and he will know this full well. An allusion to Tradition brings with it the topic of Catholicism, something his Jewish faith seeks not to discuss in any form (Matthew 27-25).
What wrong with pornography, what’s wrong with abortion ? It’s everyone’s right to view what they want and to do what they wish with their own body.
What about the covid vax? The same people who believe in abortion were all up for locking up the unvaxed in my country
No it's not. Degeneracy must never be accepted.
Degenerate
What are rights?
To me, the key question being raised here is how do we keep a community together. A key lever for doing so is honoring the traditional values and relationships that have successfully done so to this point. That's not to say that individual choice on deeply personal moral issues is wrong - particularly if those freedoms are part of the community's traditional values.