I am now 17 years old and I have an implant for my middle ear, because of an ear polyp, that nearly destroyed my inner ear. Luckily I have great Doctors at the Clinic who managed to restore my ear. Concerning my ear, I always had Problems with it, so I never heard with the full potential, which means I don't know how it sounds to hear with 100% of the hearing potential and it took many operations (14 - 16 I am not sure) until I could hear again properly. There were times in which I was going 2-3 times in the hospital per year. I was always interested in music and I play the e-bass, guitar and keyboard/piano. By now I am also mixing tracks and do recordings so I am really happy that medicine could help me with the problem. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to make music now and chasing my Dreams.
For those here for music : THIS VIDEO IS NOT ABOUT MUSIC. It discusses about the progress being made in cochlear implants. People with implants cant hear music properly. Thats all there is to it.
I know Beethoven put his ear to the ground to pick up slight vibrations....but still....that is not the same as normal hearing and the fact that he composed the music he did under those conditions, is nothing short of awe inspiring. Of course, you can tell what impact that had on his music as much of it is very rhythmic and staccato. But, a piece like his 7th symphony is so melodically subtle. That symphony is one of the best ever written imo. That a deaf guy wrote it blown my mind.
(CONT) ourselves and others. The importance of healthy human function/ development and/or opportunity for free thought will always exceed that of 'perfect' sight/hearing.
I once got my right ear clogged with earwax and though this caused only very minor hearing loss in one ear, for only a couple days, it was AWFUL. Couldn't imagine loosing my hearing.
Beethoven was stone deaf of the 10 last years of his life. He wrote his biggest master pieces when he was compleatly deaf, like his 9th symphony, grosse fuge etc...
@CommentsSurvey That wasn't the sound quality that implant users hear. That was actually a sample of lousy sound quality in comparison to good sound quality to show that implant users cannot tell the difference between the two
It is common for people who work in medicine to also play a musical instrument of some sort. Helps them deal with the loss of all of those people that they couldn't help, apparently.
I lost hearing in my right ear because of a medical condition. The bones in my ear were dissolved and I had to have a prosthetic bone put in. I can now hear out of my right ear and my left ear is just fine, but it made me realize how much I took stereo hearing fore granted
How come no one tries to shape the receiver of the implant to adjust the wavelength of the sounds the way our ears do? Or why not some small repeater that breaks the frequencies "apart" before delivering them to the inner ear implant? It makes sense that there isn't anything to separate the tones as efficiently as the outer ear.
The title had me expecting something on on music and psychology or psycho-acoustics, but it only alludes to these fascinating topics and makes those areas seem depressingly feeble. Still this is amazing technology. I assume it's also far from able to provide the phase discrimination that assists us in locating the source of sounds. I would be very interested in knowing more about the technical limits of these implants so I can better understand the musical gap.
(CONT) make up for in other ‘beautiful’ areas of life. Helping others overcome, forming wholesome relationships, developing sincerity and understanding, sharing life experiences, etc are all more beautiful to me than are certain experiences of sight and hearing. Beauty is in the eye and the ear of the beholder. BUT if the beholder lacks or looses one or both senses, then they may find that there is a much greater beauty that lies within our minds, derived from our relationships with (CONT)
I feel the exact same way. When people ask me whether I'd be blind or deaf and I always choose blind, because life without music... totally silent.... scary man.
I find this technology astounding, that someone can be born and never hear a note in their life. I think this man is rather inspirational in the research he is doing, but I couldn't help but laugh when he said "A deaf surgeon is largely unheard of", he didn't even realise he did it.
@Xibons This video gives ignorance a whole new meaning. I highly suggest that people watch it at least until they see question #1 and identify the obvious flaw with it. Unless you are aware of the heights of ignorance people are capable of climbing that is.
to the person below that asked aobut the cat. He said the cats are genetically deaf. The casing the cat has on is most likely to cover the magnet and cord that has to be on the outside of the head, so that the cat will not pull it off.
@Storhonta I'm asking about the the music that the guy with the implant played. that was not mentioned... so i don't see how your comment made any sense
Can anyone explain how speakers of tonal languages, like Chinese, are able to communicate in said languages after cochlear implants? Or is the answer as simple as, they can't?
@GamertagS3CS33 Sometimes though, musicians and audio engineers need to be reminded about how lucky they are for the fact that they're blessed with a set of organs which make their worlds complete. Actually, everyone should be reminded of that, because once it's gone, there's usually no way back.
I'm surprised that there aren't more "dislikes" on this page. I am a hearing person and a music teacher, but I also have a very special place in my heart for the Deaf and Deaf culture. There are many who feel that cochlear implants and other hearing devices detract from a rich lifestyle and culture that a child can experience when he/she is deaf. Music is not the only form of beauty out there, and the Deaf have their own definition of what beauty is.
@CatFlashBlue It's a good thing you specified the similarity is found in the feeling of rejection. Nonetheless, it's still an unstable analogy because homosexuality is not a birth defect as being born deaf is. I can imagine some are perfectly happy, hearing impairment and all - but surely you accept that the foremost meaning of "fixing it" is simply helping them out in terms of getting along in common society? The talk itself is about sharing the joy of music - not correcting them.
Much as I am grateful for the information...In would like to think that there will soon be a time when the four legged are not used as experimental subjects.
@satyu131089 I can play the piano, haven't played in over a year though, but when i saw the video I thought that I'd like to learn that when I get to that
@cyberdems To assert that evolution does not tell us the origins of life is a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution. It's like saying the hypothetical explanation of gravity doesn't explain why combustible materials are flammable. Of course it doesn't, it isn't even attempting to do so. If you want to understand how it all started you need to look to cosmological theorems such as the big bang, and for life itself look to abiogenesis. Evolution takes off once a single reproducer exists.
@cyberdems I would like to point out that the label "atheist" is quite vacuous by it's very nature. How much sense does it make to have a label for someone based on what they DON'T believe in? I don't believe in Santaclaus, yet nobody calls me an A-Santaclausist. Why should my beliefs with respect to supernatural dieties be any different?
@TheGerogero It was not an implication. Perhaps you didn't read the entirety of the post, but as you say "atheism" is NOT a belief, but people have beliefs with regards to the existence of deities even if they BELIEVE they do not exist at all. I believe this is the explicit objection @Zeuts85 was making.
What he said about language is not entirely correct. I mean, it does matter if it's plesant to the ear or not. It doesn't matter when you're a child, obviously you learn any language of your parents with the same ease. But when it comes to learning second, third, etc. you may find an obvious psychological obsticle that you simply DON'T LIKE to learn how it sounds. Both in your ears and in your head (when it comes to reading). Now, that's interesting. One could find it insignificant (who cares if you're too lazy to overcome yourself), but think again. Actually, what do we know about how certain languages contributed to the development of different civilizations? I would say the probability is quite high. When we talk about why some cultures were more succesfull than the others, well, maybe it wasn't just luck and resourses (which is the same thing, you're lucky to find them around you or not so much). Maybe their brains were more stimulated. And how exactly was it stimulated. I'll try to do more research on that. Definately the speaker provokes some thought, so thank you.
@ogrish84 @ogrish84 Money is irrelevant, uploading in HD can take a lot of time - especially when they could have really bad internet speeds which most places do. HD is not a standard now and arguing that it is vital and the only reason it could not be used is if they were to cost a lot is insulting the works created, the people behind these videos and any great content ont he internet whether they use HD cameras or not.
@Namaste1001 Haha :D it is semantics, but I think it's important to avoid the connotation to faith. But time's up for me, it's far past my bedtime and I'm already sufficiently sleep-deprived in my current state. I enjoyed the conversation. P.S. I do not think such a concept as "the truth" exists.
Maybe music that sounds out of tune for us will sound great for people with hearing problems. That could be like a whole new market! All you have to do is alter the original version and that's it. Money in the bank!
there are a few things that i just need to say about this TED Talk. my sister is profoundly deaf and has 2 Cochlear Implants. She was first implanted when she was 2 and again at 10. #1: both of us are competitive Irish Dancers, which is difficult even for a hearing person. she is able to understand and count the music and stay on beat without help. that alone tells me that she is comfortable with music. #2 she has an ipod full of music that she takes everywhere. to say that music does not sound good to CI recipients is not entirely accurate. this TED Talk seemed slightly one-sided.
Charles did not say EVERY CI patient didn't respond to music well, he said most. Your sister may be part of the group that does respond. Or maybe she takes her CI out when she listens to music? We don't know because you didn't give us the facts. You came into this conversation with a bias against what he said and dind't present all the facts for us, deluding us to your beliefs. AND feeling beats (i.e Sound waves) is different than hearing them. Maybe she can feel the rhythm better than you and/or youre just that bad.
Derrick McKain i don't know if you don't understand how CIs work or not, but if she were to take it "out" when she listens to music, it would completely defeat the purpose. When she takes it OFF she returns to the silent world of a deaf person. (You cannot take out a CI, it is also internal) I don't know what other facts you want. If it's on she hears, if it's off she can't. She has expressed to me that she listens for the beat. The only time beats can be felt (especially in large rooms) is if the music is very loud, which it rarely is, which i would know because i sit in her dance class. I guess I should also say that yes, she had wonderful speech pathologists growing up and performs at or slightly above average for a CI recipient, however, she has not received more help than a hearing child in dance class when learning how to listen to the music. As an Audiology student and a person with personal experience with both successful and more unsuccessful CI wearers, I feel as though I know what I'm talking about.
He actually provided some proofs, such as brain scans. Do you have some contradicting studies or tests? I mean, sure, those people can hear the music, it's not his point. But to prove your point you would have to do some tests and then compare your results with that of your sister's, right?
+Helen Fedyun Hi, I'm the sister. Holly wrote this 4 years ago when I was 12 and I would like to say that I am now still a competitive Irish Dancer. I do not feel the vibrations of the music to stay on beat, because if I was doing so, the music would have to be much more amplified than it actually is. I sat down years ago and figured out how to find the beat and practiced counting in. I practiced learning how to listen for distinct sounds. It's all about practice. No one can put a CI on and immediately hear perfectly, but it does take work, which means it is definitely possible to hear music well and appreciate it, like I do. Another thing, the brain is an organ, but you can exercise it. Mine was trained for years to understand sound using my CIs. So I don't think a brain scan is necessary. Also, deaf people can't have brain scans. It'll completely wipe out our internal device. I don't FEEL the rhythm at all when I listen to music. I plug in my headphones and put them on my ears. I don't even play music at full volume and I still hear it all and enjoy the music. I LISTEN, I DON'T FEEL. I heard a small difference, but a difference nonetheless between the two clips at 7:10 I heard a distinct difference between the two instruments at 8:53 10:13 sounds great, but 10:19 sounds so garbled, it's like the music, if you can even call those sounds music, is coming from a 4" thick box underwater.
I liked he's speech but I find kind of annoying the fact that he uses Beethoven as an example of what can be achieved, first of all Beethoven wasn't born def so he had plenty time to appreciate and understand the sounds in an orchestra in order for him to write a piece, and after he became def or was on his way he didn't really need the sound. Music is not only about beauty in sound, music is also beauty in math because is perfect and works every time if you know what you're doing even if you'r
@Zeuts85 I see you're criticising his use of the word atheist - and I'll agree that he IS using it vacuously. Although I do not think the label is useless. I like the equation of Santa Claus and God :D However, the latter undoubtedly posseses greater social relevance and as such it is far more meaningful and controversial to say "I do not believe in God" than to say the other. Also, see what you implied? you said "Why should my beliefs..." as if atheism were a belief, which it is not.
@halfthishalfthat Seems to be the impasse between the scientific and (for lack of a better word) the poetic perspective. I must concede, language is of the latter and so I ought not consider the definition as belief to be unacceptable. It may well be a belief for some. I think my opposition is rooted in a perceived necessity to distinguish my skeptical world view from that of faith-based theistic religions - given that "belief" is very close to "faith".
@TheGerogero You said yourself that it is your belief. Not your knowledge. Why not just admit that you don't know either way instead of having to fit to a label.
@Namaste1001 D: no you've what I've said out of context. My definition of atheism is the absence of belief in God - and the absence of belief can't be belief. I was trying to disassociate the term from "belief that there is no God" in which case it would be belief, but that is not what atheism is!
@TheGerogero - "My reasons for holding the belief there is no God" Isn't that the definition of Atheism or were you using it as an example? A belief that there is no God is still a belief.
@Namaste1001 D: no you're misunderstanding me. I haven't said atheism is my belief - I'm claiming that atheism isn't even a belief. I haven't mentioned knowledge at all. In which case, I will profess to not know that God does not exist. And acknowledging that has nothing to do with fitting the label called atheist.
@CatFlashBlue No one forces them to have ears... It's their democratic right to choose not to have ears... But it is about those who want them... Ears just get you better social accessibility like crutches do.... It's better to walk than not, it's better to hear than not also...
@CatFlashBlue Yes it's another culture and they don't want to be alone, I agree about that. But how did the afro-Amer. react when racism slightly disappeared? They liked it, except for a few. Is the part that brings out the message that they do not want to be cured of deafness just a very small very vocal group (no pun intended). Btw Gay people don't have a disability because they don't miss anything, they don't miss the whole Love thing. Deaf people do miss something, a sense. That's different
@ancestralblue As humans we are the stewards of animals. We have a responsibility to treat them humanely, but they are not like us. They are altogether different from us. And having been to a children's cancer ward, I would rather that a few of our 4 legged friends be used to cure a child's disease than look the same children in the face and say, "sorry, you don't rate the life of a cat in order to figure out what is wrong with you."
You think that the brain is hard wired for much? Disagree. Language existed far before music symphonies and can actually be linked to evolutionary successes. Music triggers emotions, language communicates information, whether it be dangers or resources.
@halfthishalfthat Cool, you understand my position. Although it's a funny thing if the same term is fundamentally different when simply regarded as either a belief or concept - which is another reason why I think the former is invalid. What annoys me is that I have no term for "I believe there is no God".
I had a piss-poor day at the construction site today and I could almost kill a random person with my bare hands, on my way home. But watching that little girl and then her again, 10 years later, made me so happy! But really, no wonder hearing impaired people dont enjoy music on the radio. Who does? They play the same disco song three times an hour! Borderline brainwashing, if you ask me.
Yeah, I love music and have never liked radio. Recently I watched a show here on youtube of Johnny Mathis, who performed many of his hits. When he was asked if he liked radio, he emphatically said "No." Really, who needs all those commercial interruptions?
@halfthishalfthat Actually I think it's implied precisely because of the context :P Anyhow, atheism is (being reductional here) merely the absence of belief in God. My reasons for holding the belief there is no God are seperate from my identification as an atheist - I think it is misleading to say atheism can be described as the belief that God does not exist.
@TheGerogero That is very curious, to think that "the truth" does not exist, but I'm more interested in your semantic interpretation of atheism as "the absence of belief in (a) God" which to you apparently totally =/= "belief in the absence of (a) God"... Atheism (as a belief) is by definition the specific belief in the absence of (a) God. Contrast with Atheism as a concept, which is simply the absence of belief in God, not the absence of belief in general.
This trumpet was much louder, had a fast rhythm, and was only one instrument. So this does not prove anything. BTW, has this cat been harmed (made (partly) deaf for these instruments?
Positive thinking, yes, but he places too much of an importance on an objective beauty, as perceived through the senses. It is important to look at beauty as an enlightening/wonderful experience itself rather than as something outside of us that we need to view or hear in order to experience. Yes, the experience of music and art is beautiful, but it needs to be understood these are also material things. What someone lacks in the ability to perceive certain ‘beautiful’ things, they will (CONTIN.)
As a musician with 2 hearing aids I have to say, I wish their were more people like Charles Limb in the world, a great talk.
I am now 17 years old and I have an implant for my middle ear, because of an ear polyp, that nearly destroyed my inner ear. Luckily I have great Doctors at the Clinic who managed to restore my ear. Concerning my ear, I always had Problems with it, so I never heard with the full potential, which means I don't know how it sounds to hear with 100% of the hearing potential and it took many operations (14 - 16 I am not sure) until I could hear again properly. There were times in which I was going 2-3 times in the hospital per year.
I was always interested in music and I play the e-bass, guitar and keyboard/piano.
By now I am also mixing tracks and do recordings so I am really happy that medicine could help me with the problem. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to make music now and chasing my Dreams.
This is So Cool especially for me...I was the Classical Guitarist that used to play all the events for the company that created this technology!
For those here for music : THIS VIDEO IS NOT ABOUT MUSIC. It discusses about the progress being made in cochlear implants. People with implants cant hear music properly. Thats all there is to it.
I know Beethoven put his ear to the ground to pick up slight vibrations....but still....that is not the same as normal hearing and the fact that he composed the music he did under those conditions, is nothing short of awe inspiring. Of course, you can tell what impact that had on his music as much of it is very rhythmic and staccato. But, a piece like his 7th symphony is so melodically subtle. That symphony is one of the best ever written imo. That a deaf guy wrote it blown my mind.
(CONT) ourselves and others. The importance of healthy human function/ development and/or opportunity for free thought will always exceed that of 'perfect' sight/hearing.
I once got my right ear clogged with earwax and though this caused only very minor hearing loss in one ear, for only a couple days, it was AWFUL. Couldn't imagine loosing my hearing.
This is a very thought provoking video ! ! I learned some things,Thanks ! ! !
Beethoven was stone deaf of the 10 last years of his life. He wrote his biggest master pieces when he was compleatly deaf, like his 9th symphony, grosse fuge etc...
Dr. Limb deserves a Nobel Prize.
Very interesting talk, in many ways.
It takes us into the world of people who literally sense their world differently.
@CommentsSurvey That wasn't the sound quality that implant users hear. That was actually a sample of lousy sound quality in comparison to good sound quality to show that implant users cannot tell the difference between the two
It is common for people who work in medicine to also play a musical instrument of some sort. Helps them deal with the loss of all of those people that they couldn't help, apparently.
I lost hearing in my right ear because of a medical condition. The bones in my ear were dissolved and I had to have a prosthetic bone put in. I can now hear out of my right ear and my left ear is just fine, but it made me realize how much I took stereo hearing fore granted
How come no one tries to shape the receiver of the implant to adjust the wavelength of the sounds the way our ears do? Or why not some small repeater that breaks the frequencies "apart" before delivering them to the inner ear implant? It makes sense that there isn't anything to separate the tones as efficiently as the outer ear.
Thankyou for posting!
Hey Charles is back!
@Fuzzy192006 skrillex is the best way to need one of these implants, and the best part is it will still sound the same afterwards.
Very good talk
Nice segue into subject. Very masterful
Wow the student is so musical!!!
The title had me expecting something on on music and psychology or psycho-acoustics, but it only alludes to these fascinating topics and makes those areas seem depressingly feeble. Still this is amazing technology. I assume it's also far from able to provide the phase discrimination that assists us in locating the source of sounds. I would be very interested in knowing more about the technical limits of these implants so I can better understand the musical gap.
(CONT) make up for in other ‘beautiful’ areas of life. Helping others overcome, forming wholesome relationships, developing sincerity and understanding, sharing life experiences, etc are all more beautiful to me than are certain experiences of sight and hearing. Beauty is in the eye and the ear of the beholder. BUT if the beholder lacks or looses one or both senses, then they may find that there is a much greater beauty that lies within our minds, derived from our relationships with (CONT)
OMG! When the guy talks and 13:45, I thought he was a Singaporean. And | was right! Singaporeans ftw~
I wouldn't want to live if I couldn't hear music. I can say this in all honesty.
I feel the exact same way. When people ask me whether I'd be blind or deaf and I always choose blind, because life without music... totally silent.... scary man.
@ancestralblue Cheers and Big love to that comment!!
Fascinating
I find this technology astounding, that someone can be born and never hear a note in their life. I think this man is rather inspirational in the research he is doing, but I couldn't help but laugh when he said "A deaf surgeon is largely unheard of", he didn't even realise he did it.
How do you know he didn't realize it? But I agree, funny :D
@Xibons
This video gives ignorance a whole new meaning. I highly suggest that people watch it at least until they see question #1 and identify the obvious flaw with it. Unless you are aware of the heights of ignorance people are capable of climbing that is.
@RobsterRiz They fixed that in the intro now. The outro, on the other hand...
What is the name of the piece and composer at 13:00?
Also, more TEDMED talks!!
to the person below that asked aobut the cat. He said the cats are genetically deaf. The casing the cat has on is most likely to cover the magnet and cord that has to be on the outside of the head, so that the cat will not pull it off.
@Storhonta I'm asking about the the music that the guy with the implant played. that was not mentioned... so i don't see how your comment made any sense
Wow i really like my ears now!
@stella456 You're welcome... I happen to have learnt this piece, apart from having heard it so many times... Are you a musician too?
Guys. look up Juliun Treasure. He did a lot of Ted Talks on sound
brilliant!!
1:36 - 2:05 that was very Feynman of you the way you explained it
11:28 Good kitty.
@RobsterRiz They have lowerd the volume a bit if you didn't notice. Been so for quite a while
Can anyone explain how speakers of tonal languages, like Chinese, are able to communicate in said languages after cochlear implants? Or is the answer as simple as, they can't?
@GamertagS3CS33 Sometimes though, musicians and audio engineers need to be reminded about how lucky they are for the fact that they're blessed with a set of organs which make their worlds complete.
Actually, everyone should be reminded of that, because once it's gone, there's usually no way back.
it was so interesting
@14:38 "This is really unheard of stuff..."
Dohohoho
Does anyone know what classical song he played at the begging thanks.
Does somebody know what he was playing on the piano?
I'm surprised that there aren't more "dislikes" on this page. I am a hearing person and a music teacher, but I also have a very special place in my heart for the Deaf and Deaf culture. There are many who feel that cochlear implants and other hearing devices detract from a rich lifestyle and culture that a child can experience when he/she is deaf. Music is not the only form of beauty out there, and the Deaf have their own definition of what beauty is.
A deaf person with a CI always has the option to be deaf. All they have to do is take off their processor.
what did he play on the piano?
@CatFlashBlue It's a good thing you specified the similarity is found in the feeling of rejection. Nonetheless, it's still an unstable analogy because homosexuality is not a birth defect as being born deaf is. I can imagine some are perfectly happy, hearing impairment and all - but surely you accept that the foremost meaning of "fixing it" is simply helping them out in terms of getting along in common society? The talk itself is about sharing the joy of music - not correcting them.
Skip ahead to 0:15 to avoid hearing loss.
Does anyone know the name of the piece that the boy is playing on the piano?
Much as I am grateful for the information...In would like to think that there will soon be a time when the four legged are not used as experimental subjects.
what piece was the kid playing?
@satyu131089 I can play the piano, haven't played in over a year though, but when i saw the video I thought that I'd like to learn that when I get to that
@RobsterRiz Thank you, you saved my hearing, I guess :D
@dobrinkazandziev94 He mentions the name right after it was played... >_>
take a hit, now that's building your musical muscle.
@cyberdems To assert that evolution does not tell us the origins of life is a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution. It's like saying the hypothetical explanation of gravity doesn't explain why combustible materials are flammable. Of course it doesn't, it isn't even attempting to do so. If you want to understand how it all started you need to look to cosmological theorems such as the big bang, and for life itself look to abiogenesis. Evolution takes off once a single reproducer exists.
@cyberdems I would like to point out that the label "atheist" is quite vacuous by it's very nature. How much sense does it make to have a label for someone based on what they DON'T believe in? I don't believe in Santaclaus, yet nobody calls me an A-Santaclausist. Why should my beliefs with respect to supernatural dieties be any different?
@TheGerogero It was not an implication. Perhaps you didn't read the entirety of the post, but as you say "atheism" is NOT a belief, but people have beliefs with regards to the existence of deities even if they BELIEVE they do not exist at all. I believe this is the explicit objection @Zeuts85 was making.
What he said about language is not entirely correct. I mean, it does matter if it's plesant to the ear or not. It doesn't matter when you're a child, obviously you learn any language of your parents with the same ease. But when it comes to learning second, third, etc. you may find an obvious psychological obsticle that you simply DON'T LIKE to learn how it sounds. Both in your ears and in your head (when it comes to reading). Now, that's interesting. One could find it insignificant (who cares if you're too lazy to overcome yourself), but think again. Actually, what do we know about how certain languages contributed to the development of different civilizations? I would say the probability is quite high. When we talk about why some cultures were more succesfull than the others, well, maybe it wasn't just luck and resourses (which is the same thing, you're lucky to find them around you or not so much). Maybe their brains were more stimulated. And how exactly was it stimulated. I'll try to do more research on that. Definately the speaker provokes some thought, so thank you.
Chopin Nocturne in B flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1 :)
@durkma2 thank you!
@ogrish84 @ogrish84 Money is irrelevant, uploading in HD can take a lot of time - especially when they could have really bad internet speeds which most places do. HD is not a standard now and arguing that it is vital and the only reason it could not be used is if they were to cost a lot is insulting the works created, the people behind these videos and any great content ont he internet whether they use HD cameras or not.
i bet the implante useres would love dubstep with a heavy sub
Without beauty we would be just like robots... awful, I support this
@TheGerogero - Semantics really. It's pointless debating really as whatever belief/non-belief one holds the truth will still be the truth.
@Namaste1001 Haha :D it is semantics, but I think it's important to avoid the connotation to faith. But time's up for me, it's far past my bedtime and I'm already sufficiently sleep-deprived in my current state. I enjoyed the conversation. P.S. I do not think such a concept as "the truth" exists.
@xsylvain74x
Beethoven, Symphony 7
I heard it the first time in a movie called Knowing
really great classical one :)
@Majoritis or maybe to feel vibrations. . .
@GamertagS3CS33 Only GOOD TED Talks are posted and your suggestion doesn't seem to lend itself well to a GOOD talk.
Maybe music that sounds out of tune for us will sound great for people with hearing problems. That could be like a whole new market! All you have to do is alter the original version and that's it. Money in the bank!
@chocomalk Great comment :)
there are a few things that i just need to say about this TED Talk. my sister is profoundly deaf and has 2 Cochlear Implants. She was first implanted when she was 2 and again at 10. #1: both of us are competitive Irish Dancers, which is difficult even for a hearing person. she is able to understand and count the music and stay on beat without help. that alone tells me that she is comfortable with music. #2 she has an ipod full of music that she takes everywhere. to say that music does not sound good to CI recipients is not entirely accurate. this TED Talk seemed slightly one-sided.
Charles did not say EVERY CI patient didn't respond to music well, he said most. Your sister may be part of the group that does respond. Or maybe she takes her CI out when she listens to music? We don't know because you didn't give us the facts. You came into this conversation with a bias against what he said and dind't present all the facts for us, deluding us to your beliefs. AND feeling beats (i.e Sound waves) is different than hearing them. Maybe she can feel the rhythm better than you and/or youre just that bad.
Derrick McKain i don't know if you don't understand how CIs work or not, but if she were to take it "out" when she listens to music, it would completely defeat the purpose. When she takes it OFF she returns to the silent world of a deaf person. (You cannot take out a CI, it is also internal) I don't know what other facts you want. If it's on she hears, if it's off she can't. She has expressed to me that she listens for the beat. The only time beats can be felt (especially in large rooms) is if the music is very loud, which it rarely is, which i would know because i sit in her dance class. I guess I should also say that yes, she had wonderful speech pathologists growing up and performs at or slightly above average for a CI recipient, however, she has not received more help than a hearing child in dance class when learning how to listen to the music. As an Audiology student and a person with personal experience with both successful and more unsuccessful CI wearers, I feel as though I know what I'm talking about.
But how do you know if your sister hears the same things when listening to music? I would say feeling the rhythm is a completely different issue.
He actually provided some proofs, such as brain scans. Do you have some contradicting studies or tests? I mean, sure, those people can hear the music, it's not his point. But to prove your point you would have to do some tests and then compare your results with that of your sister's, right?
+Helen Fedyun Hi, I'm the sister. Holly wrote this 4 years ago when I was 12 and I would like to say that I am now still a competitive Irish Dancer. I do not feel the vibrations of the music to stay on beat, because if I was doing so, the music would have to be much more amplified than it actually is. I sat down years ago and figured out how to find the beat and practiced counting in. I practiced learning how to listen for distinct sounds. It's all about practice. No one can put a CI on and immediately hear perfectly, but it does take work, which means it is definitely possible to hear music well and appreciate it, like I do. Another thing, the brain is an organ, but you can exercise it. Mine was trained for years to understand sound using my CIs. So I don't think a brain scan is necessary. Also, deaf people can't have brain scans. It'll completely wipe out our internal device. I don't FEEL the rhythm at all when I listen to music. I plug in my headphones and put them on my ears. I don't even play music at full volume and I still hear it all and enjoy the music. I LISTEN, I DON'T FEEL.
I heard a small difference, but a difference nonetheless between the two clips at 7:10
I heard a distinct difference between the two instruments at 8:53
10:13 sounds great, but 10:19 sounds so garbled, it's like the music, if you can even call those sounds music, is coming from a 4" thick box underwater.
I liked he's speech but I find kind of annoying the fact that he uses Beethoven as an example of what can be achieved, first of all Beethoven wasn't born def so he had plenty time to appreciate and understand the sounds in an orchestra in order for him to write a piece, and after he became def or was on his way he didn't really need the sound. Music is not only about beauty in sound, music is also beauty in math because is perfect and works every time if you know what you're doing even if you'r
@Zeuts85 I see you're criticising his use of the word atheist - and I'll agree that he IS using it vacuously. Although I do not think the label is useless. I like the equation of Santa Claus and God :D However, the latter undoubtedly posseses greater social relevance and as such it is far more meaningful and controversial to say "I do not believe in God" than to say the other. Also, see what you implied? you said "Why should my beliefs..." as if atheism were a belief, which it is not.
@halfthishalfthat Seems to be the impasse between the scientific and (for lack of a better word) the poetic perspective. I must concede, language is of the latter and so I ought not consider the definition as belief to be unacceptable. It may well be a belief for some. I think my opposition is rooted in a perceived necessity to distinguish my skeptical world view from that of faith-based theistic religions - given that "belief" is very close to "faith".
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@TheGerogero You said yourself that it is your belief. Not your knowledge. Why not just admit that you don't know either way instead of having to fit to a label.
@Namaste1001 D: no you've what I've said out of context. My definition of atheism is the absence of belief in God - and the absence of belief can't be belief. I was trying to disassociate the term from "belief that there is no God" in which case it would be belief, but that is not what atheism is!
@TheGerogero - "My reasons for holding the belief there is no God" Isn't that the definition of Atheism or were you using it as an example?
A belief that there is no God is still a belief.
@Namaste1001 D: no you're misunderstanding me. I haven't said atheism is my belief - I'm claiming that atheism isn't even a belief. I haven't mentioned knowledge at all. In which case, I will profess to not know that God does not exist. And acknowledging that has nothing to do with fitting the label called atheist.
@CatFlashBlue No one forces them to have ears... It's their democratic right to choose not to have ears... But it is about those who want them... Ears just get you better social accessibility like crutches do.... It's better to walk than not, it's better to hear than not also...
@CatFlashBlue Yes it's another culture and they don't want to be alone, I agree about that. But how did the afro-Amer. react when racism slightly disappeared? They liked it, except for a few. Is the part that brings out the message that they do not want to be cured of deafness just a very small very vocal group (no pun intended). Btw Gay people don't have a disability because they don't miss anything, they don't miss the whole Love thing. Deaf people do miss something, a sense. That's different
@monkeyrecordsnz i feel sorry for people who cant hear music
@ancestralblue As humans we are the stewards of animals. We have a responsibility to treat them humanely, but they are not like us. They are altogether different from us. And having been to a children's cancer ward, I would rather that a few of our 4 legged friends be used to cure a child's disease than look the same children in the face and say, "sorry, you don't rate the life of a cat in order to figure out what is wrong with you."
You think that the brain is hard wired for much? Disagree. Language existed far before music symphonies and can actually be linked to evolutionary successes. Music triggers emotions, language communicates information, whether it be dangers or resources.
@halfthishalfthat Cool, you understand my position. Although it's a funny thing if the same term is fundamentally different when simply regarded as either a belief or concept - which is another reason why I think the former is invalid. What annoys me is that I have no term for "I believe there is no God".
@bgupta2001 wait what ?
@stella456 Chopin's Nocturne Op9 No1 in B flat minor
I had a piss-poor day at the construction site today and I could almost kill a random person with my bare hands, on my way home.
But watching that little girl and then her again, 10 years later, made me so happy!
But really, no wonder hearing impaired people dont enjoy music on the radio. Who does? They play the same disco song three times an hour! Borderline brainwashing, if you ask me.
Yeah, I love music and have never liked radio. Recently I watched a show here on youtube of Johnny Mathis, who performed many of his hits. When he was asked if he liked radio, he emphatically said "No." Really, who needs all those commercial interruptions?
19 people want subtitles
I feel sorry for the cat.
@halfthishalfthat Actually I think it's implied precisely because of the context :P Anyhow, atheism is (being reductional here) merely the absence of belief in God. My reasons for holding the belief there is no God are seperate from my identification as an atheist - I think it is misleading to say atheism can be described as the belief that God does not exist.
@TheGerogero That is very curious, to think that "the truth" does not exist, but I'm more interested in your semantic interpretation of atheism as "the absence of belief in (a) God" which to you apparently totally =/= "belief in the absence of (a) God"... Atheism (as a belief) is by definition the specific belief in the absence of (a) God. Contrast with Atheism as a concept, which is simply the absence of belief in God, not the absence of belief in general.
@kris6682 I feel sorry for people who hears music, especially ones that really enjoys music. Music is for people with problems.
@dobrinkazandziev94 Beethoven's 7th he said it
This trumpet was much louder, had a fast rhythm, and was only one instrument. So this does not prove anything. BTW, has this cat been harmed (made (partly) deaf for these instruments?
Positive thinking, yes, but he places too much of an importance on an objective beauty, as perceived through the senses. It is important to look at beauty as an enlightening/wonderful experience itself rather than as something outside of us that we need to view or hear in order to experience. Yes, the experience of music and art is beautiful, but it needs to be understood these are also material things. What someone lacks in the ability to perceive certain ‘beautiful’ things, they will (CONTIN.)
Can you imagine some one with a cochlear implant and the first thing they hear is the TED intro music?
What a bummer...