Installing MS-DOS on an AMD Ryzen Gaming PC
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2017
- There is no reason to do this. That is why I did this.
When you have a computer running an AMD Ryzen 5 1600X CPU, the ideal operating system is MS-DOS 6.22! At least if you're... me.
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When your BIOS is more advanced than your operating system.
Now we just need to get Doom running inside a BIOS.
@@BikerMage doom runs on anything... a costum bios that can interpret the doom code could probably run it... but at that point you would just have DOS running from the bios chip...
@@IMAGE_NT_HEADERS i don't want to go on pornhub, so this tutorial is not suited for me, but thanks anyway
To get old os'es to boot on modern hardware you need to enable legacy booting. Also some Linux distros don't like uefi boot.
@@IMAGE_NT_HEADERS it has everything to do with it
*"There is no reason to do this. That is why I did this."*
If there was ever a phrase that encapsulated this channel perfectly this would be it.
"Aperture Science: we do what we must, because we can"
Almostfull777 nice!!
I wrote major portions of MS-DOS 6.2 (smartdrv, himem, diskcopy, single disk setup, etc) in the summer of 1993. It was my very first project on my first day at Microsoft! Thanks for the memories!
I think it contains the only dialog I ever wrote with a single option (R)etry. If Smartdrv cannot lazy write data to the disk under MS-DOS, there is no other option. Retry, or retry.
I can prove Dave Plummer wrote that stuff, but not that I'm the real Dave Plummer, so nope, can't prove anything even if I were so inclined. But you can look at blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20070725-00/?p=25863
My current phone number is still in the debug build of Windows XP. If you can find it, give me a call!
So we have a living legend here! :-)
I sure wasn't but I worked with legends! I learned more that summer than any other period in my life, I'm sure.
:-)
Do you know, is there the same problem (only "Retry" option) in FreeDOS's version of smartdrv?
Man, himem was some PC wizardry back then!
"There is no reason to do this. That is why I did this."
That is why we love you.
Plus he can just uninstall DOS after he's done and put a modern OS on it later
@@dalehadley3283 you are a year late
"Your computer has a disk larger than 512mb.."
You don't say!
AJ Patterson almost 1000x larger.
Xavier Rodriguez and that is regarded a small capacity in regards to current standards. I'm rocking a 3TB HDD with 700GB left, a 256GB m.2 ssd with 20GB left and a 2TB extetrnal hard drive with 800GB left lol. I feel like I need more storage lol. 512MB would be way to small for a phone now. I get a warning when I hit below that on my phone and restrictions. Scary to think only 17 years ago 1 gb was enourmous.
Another thing funny about that is that an SSD isn't technically a disk.
OS will be like
Man you must have found alien technology or something, cause this is at least 2 GB, thats insane.
I fought the SSD-over-2-GB-on-DOS fight myself a couple of months ago! I ended up having to partition it into two drives using two different OSes. I made a 2GB boot partition on Win98/DOS, to get a bootable partition and correctly-formatted-for-the-era partition table, and formatted that partition. Then I physically moved the drive into a Linux box to create a second partition for the rest of the space, using gparted. Then I switched the drive back to the Win98/DOS machine and formatted that partition to FAT32.
I didn't think LGR could get any more random or awesome...I was completely wrong.
Rounak Dutta l
I? just "I"?
Aye
(...or "Ell", apparently, but that's not as amusing)
Ah, second time around of formatting c drive you forgot the /s to install the boot sector thing which is why it doesn't boot from c :)
The perfect channel doesn't exi- *sees notification*
1) The reason DOS wouldn't boot is because you used the FDISK program from DOS 7, which supported FAT32 and LBA mode. When you launched FDISK, it asked you if you wanted to enable support for large disks. You selected "Yes". You needed to select "No." You still would have been able to create partitions, but you would have been limited to a maximum partition size of 2GB. Those partitions that you created with large disk support enabled were created with a FAT32 file system, which DOS 6.x and lower don't support. In addition to that, I didn't see where you set the primary partition you created as "Active." If memory serves me correctly, you had to manually set primary partitions as "Active" in the old FDISK utility. The reason DOS 6 didn't boot was because of operator error ... not incompatibility with the newer hardware.
2) I'm surprised that the PC case didn't include a PC speaker with it. I've built quite a few modern PCs in the last year and every case I've bought (most were Cooler Master brand) came with a PC speaker / buzzer.
3) The colors being off was indeed odd. I know you tried two different monitors ... but what interface were you using? HDMI? DVI? VGA? It's very possible the color distortions were due to the interface rather than faulty emulation from the board. CGA. EGA, and VGA are all analog. Seems logical to me to stick with VGA since it's in the same class of technology (analog vs digital.)
4) Duke3D would have run fine in 640x400 resolution (NOT 640x480) if you had manually edited the duke3d.cfg file. This would have been non-VESA but in a higher resolution. Keep in mind that VESA was simply a standard that some video card manufacturers followed that allowed basic hardware acceleration by programs that simply followed the VESA standards. Even in the days of DOS, many card manufacturers didn't follow the VESA standard 100%, thus the need for such utilities as the old UNIVBE program.
This is 3 months late but it should be noted that Nvidia cards like the one used here have problems with older DOS games and that AMD cards are better for this
This is 3 months late but you're a nerd.
@@steveejohnson7932 Your Mom loves me though
@@Ratich I wasn't replying to you. You're probably a nerd too though.
@@steveejohnson7932 Is there a problem with that?
This sounds like the recipe to accidentally inventing a functioning time machine.
And of course the external FDD is wood grain.
The covering on the FDD looks like it might be Mactac. It's been around for decades and is used for anything like shelf liner for your kitchen cupboards to USB FDDs.
No PC speaker emulation? Take that pile of shit back!!!
No 8254 PIT chip?! WTF!! This stinky shit isn't even PC!!! /s
P.S Unless Clint connected speaker and still it didn't make beeps boops
you can play music with the floppydisk mechanism - but thats overkill
There's a two pin header on the mainboard where the buzzer/pc speaker connects
Seriously, with DOS you don't need to try to know if your stuff will work.
I don't think you formatted your disk correctly and obviously don't have a SB-compatible sound card.
Roadstar1602 Well sir all PC now have dedicated APU and there is no need for that speak you speak.
Guy: Windows 7 is the best!
Other guy: No Windows XP is better!
Me: What about MS-DOS 6.22?
no
-BASIC rocks-
And then there's me in the corner installing Arch Linux on my laptop.
Would you not be able to use cmd prompt or powershell? If not, bash allows for this. :P
Other me: Linux is the future.
"Volume Drive in C is LOLWUT" got a chuckle outta that
These are the voyages of the starship LGR. Its five-year+ mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new weird software and hardware combinations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.
If only Clint would read this on video for all to hear...
This, plus woodgrain.
+MarkTheMorose The starship itself would be covered in woodgrain, of course! :P
Actually, I think dilithium crystals would be a thing of the past: the starship LGR would be powered by woodgrain crystals. And as for the shields - no modern or future weapons would be able to penetrate shields made of retro woodgrain!
So basically adding early 90s DOS to a late 2017 pc equals 2008 fallout 3 filter.
Awesome! I was doing the same thing when I used to build computers for people! The first thing I did after first powering up a freshly assembled machine - boot from CD into DOS and run Elite 2/3 to watch butter-smooth intro and listen to the music (when it was still that much compatible with SB audio ofc). :) Good times, good times...
Pc turned off - 18 degrees
Pc turned on with MS-DOS - -24 degrees
I get that it's a joke, but I can see the temperature dropping by a degree or two from the fans activating without any heat to cool.
@@everythingaboutromania4278 Ummmm, no. It's not gonna drop below ambient temperature if that's what you are suggesting.
@@codemang87 I've had several PCs that ran sub ambient at idle. if the cooling solution is overkill and the fan is moving a good amount of air it can get lower than ambient usually only around 1--3 degrees but still below it.
@@bdhale34 That assumes that the cheap thermo-sensors in your PC aren't off by a couple degrees though... I've often seen measures with my watercooling setup that make little sense - in one case, while idling the completely unused (clocking itself down to 150MHz) crossfire secondary GPU which receives fresh water first straight from the radiators, would regularly display 1-1.5° hotter than the primary.
And that was with same brand, same model cards (not entirely identical batch though). Makes me think, these sensors are probably only good for an estimation; if it says 19°C and your room is at 20°, I'd say it's at room temperature + a fraction of a degree above.
Only thing I could think of that gives that effect for real, at least for a while: With floor-standing PCs, there might be pool of cold air around the PC (or you could have cold air moving across the floor) - when it starts up, you're sucking that in, and if the cooling system was high-performance enough, the PC might indeed be cooler for a couple of minutes than the rest of the room. But I can't actually see any effect such as evaporation going on with regular air cooling, that would provide actual less-than-ambient temperatures, which would be defined as the PC cooling down the air that contacts it... if that was the case, I think you would be dealing with condensation inside your PC case (which incidentially is why you don't see too many hanging-out-your-window radiators for watercooling, though that would be entirely doable for many enthusiasts).
Stop apologizing for making pointless videos. We wouldn't be here if they actually had a point.
I mean, it's called _Lazy_ Game Reviews for a reason!
Sam Eash same thing
@@kostasgreekgamer694 you sound like a prick
clap clap clap
Sam Eash - Right. This isnt homework!
And to think I couldn't even get XP to work with Skylake.
it ought too work. The claim intel makes about needing Windows 10 for Ryzen, Threadripper, or even Skylake CPU is total BS.
I've got a Ryzen 1800X and failed to install Windows 7. First I had problems booting the installer from my USB and I had to use a usb driver patch but then it didn't work for some other reason and then when I tried a disc the installer refused to accept my M.2 SSD and ugh, I gave up and just did Windows 10. Seems like I would have had an easier time trying to install DOS ^^
You could install any version of Windows from 3.11 and before, just not anything after until Windows 10 because then Windows started to manage things more closely and that's where the issues come from. Damn Windows, if only Dos could run modern games without Windows
Adventures in Nostalgia: I ended up building a retro gaming PC for £5... I also tried to make a Windows Vista Beta Video....which failed horribly as expected.
eyyyyyy you! how ya doin?
Back in the day when games struggled with (S)VGA/EGA/CGA compatibility issues due to the huge amount of different graphics chips out there, many people used software called Scitech Display Doctor and it would fix a number of those issues by providing proper VESA support. UniVBE in particular is the driver that does all this. That may solve at least some of the issues seen in this video?
Thanks, I love these "lets try and put two things together that aren't supposed to work and see if they work" kind of videos! Too bad you didn't run any dos benchmarks lol!
980Ti not good enough for the Duke.
IchRocke you need at least quad titan xp
The Superpixeljunkie you need a GTX Megatron 10000 super clocked water-cooled with 100tb of vram
You need more vram than life itself!
Get that crap outta here!
i heard minimum requirement is titan v
When your BIOS is way more advanced (UI, usability, etc) than the actual installed OS...
lul
Not just that, but modern day BIOS EEPROMs are large enough to even fit Windows 95
lol... if you think dos was unusable you obviously havent used it
I've been in computers even before IBM PC AT. Started with ZX Spectrum. BUT, it is just a comparison based on today's standards which that BIOS already provides. Of course, there are plenty of DOS programs that provide rich graphical GUIs, but the OS itself compared to what this BIOS provides, it is way behind.
Are you talking bout Windows 10?
Omg so nostalgic... I remember that install process like it was yesterday....
I like the opening statement of MS DOS.
It has an improved support for large HDDs over 2GB.
You go MS DOS. :3
The absolute madman!
Salokin playing Hearthstone by any chance?
What will he do next?!
R/madlads
You need to set the boot flag on the partition table in order for the BIOS to boot from the partition you installed DOS. Probably FreeDOS does this during the install.
Had the same problem doing something similar to keep a legacy system running on DOS on a modern computer.
The NVMe needs no driver because the BIOS is translating the interface (LBA -> CHS) and providing the BIOS interrupts that DOS uses to access the hardware.
Running format /s would install the bootloader sector on the NVMe but it does not change the active boot flag. I had to do this from a sys rescue CD running Linux and gparted.
I think I used disk editor on DOS to do the same but i haven't done it in a while so I just used gparted.
Edgardo Gho: Yes, that's true, partition wasn't marked as active, so thtat's why the ssd cannot be booted. It would be fun to run some old school partitioning sw like PQmagic or something else! :)
At 1:57 you see option 2 that will let you set a partition active. That wasn't mentioned but at 2:43 you can see by the "A" that the partition actually *has* been activated. It could be that the partition table boot code is missing, try FDISK /MBR
Yep, The good old days!
The SSD/motherboard might not allow running in MBR mode, instead only allowing UEFI, which would probably not work with MS-DOS out of the box but FreeDOS may well support.
Yushatak UEFI was my guess, as well. A UEFI bios won’t boot from an MBR disk, which legacy was certainly using.
LGR : Plays Keen on 980 Ti
980 Ti : Am I a joke to you ?
"For your terrible legacy support, yes!"
how about a 2080ti?
@@user-wk4wm2kj7i Perfect for playing the latest raytracing update of Commander Keen.
@Shallex No, not that. We do not speak of THAT abomination.
Most users: But does it run Crysis?
Flight Simmers: But does it run Misfis?
LGR: But does it run Keen?
me: wat os do you want?
m8: any idc
me: [open this video]
😂😂🤣🤣
puts:
echo YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
into autoexec.bat
Do people not install PC speakers anymore? I built a 6700k gaming build last year and installed the PC speaker. It's great for telling if you're not getting any picture on your screen bc it's the monitors fault or if your PC isn't posting. Besides, I love the post beep, it's something from the past that I can carry over today!
SirPandaEsq well, I know this is an old comment but I might as well say this, most motherboards nowadays come with debug lights and post code displays to tell you exactly what's wrong
Dude I totally agree! A lot of the time I keep a few Optiplex internal speakers around or some older stereo speakers
@@sircampbelltenson7297 I have a PC speaker I can use I just dont considering I went for a silent-ish build, it is quite a nostalgic sound though
I have a shitty PC and it's got a sound card thing
I have one of those 3-pin connectors with a buzzer, as shown in the video. All modern motherboards still have a connector for it and it beeps when you power it up. A nice sound to hear.
Duraga1 spirit is here...
holy i haven't seen one of his videos since ages ago i need to go back
I was thinking the exact same
WeedOs on a ssd on a toaster
ProtoMario hi
I thought this was Duraga and was stunned when it wasn’t
Hey just wanna say I've never heard of you but when I clicked on your video and watched for the info in the title, I really enjoyed your format. You do a great job at conveying the info in a way that keeps me interested and also doesn't waste my time. You're awesome.
Thank you, I'm glad to hear it!
These drive names lol, "LOLWUT" and "USBELIEVEME".
😂
5:05 So I'm like really tired and borderline lucid dreaming/awake while watching this video, and your hand and the Roland entering the video actually scared the shit out of me and I jumped/yelped. Holy shit dude.
I was so drawn into Keen it made me jump
Nothing wrong with the color on Keen, doll. You just have the Fallout 3 edition installed. Yellowy pee green mush for everyone.
who's the man with the wig in your profile pic?
Such horrible people. Nikki Wright is nice.
Mattress Man ye, I remember her from SR3 soundtrack vids, she used to put those on when there wasn't many sr related vids
Nikki Wright No the GPU only support super VGA and HDMI . You would need to run a dos emulator from Linux or windows to get true CGI 🤔 q4wine I Know supports it.
fwhat? back in the Trident and Cirrus Logic days (Leading video cards back then), there was Monochrome / Tandy, CGA, EGA, for the 8086 ~ 80386, and VGA and SVGA (using UNIVBE drivers) for the 80486DX2 and Cyrix/Pentium. In addition to the video cards, the CRT monitor must also have support for those graphics modes
I was really hoping you were going to try a game designed specifically for 33Mhz
Well. If it runs at 100 fps on 33mhz, and we have 100x the power, we will have 1000-10000 FPS
Eh, by that point developers were using timing methods that didn't rely on CPU cycles. Would probably run at normal speed.
Running almost 40 years old MS DOS at SSD and Ryzen in 2017. Now I've seen everything in this world and beyond!
This is irrelevant, but your background music in your videos is always flawless. I'm sure it's just some nice royalty-free jazz, but god damn is it just fine. Makes watching your videos feel good while having a meal or a nice drink.
so true
Absolutely agree with this. It's incredibly inviting, fantastically adequate, and otherwise just awesome. It adds to the experience tremendously.
@@tomasatlarge Inviting is a really good description of this music! I really like it
speaking of good music - is that the public strain artwork? lol
Of course, the floppy drive has to be woodgrain. :)
Board speakers are a thing of the past? Lol 😂 you haven't seen catastrophe until you know exactly why motherboard speakers are still useful.
Yes, they pretty much are!
See, all high-end motherboards (like the ASRock Taichi in this PC) and many mid-range boards have boot displays now, as a more convenient solution to buzzers
Thats why I still have that crappy piezo-speaker... i don't even know from when I got that, but I kept it in every pc I ever had.
Great stuff! I found this very entertaining. Keep it up my friend.
This is why vintage builders prefer motherboards with at least one or two ISA slots, so you can drop in an original ISA SoundBlaster or compatible board.
Obviously ISA go Bragh™
Do any modern mother boards have ISA slots?
No, even PCI is on the way out.
Nope. That's why some folks prefer vintage motherboards, so they can play the games on authentic hardware. Of course, there's always DOSBox... :)
Caseytify I installed my ole faithful emu 1212m pci card on the msi b350 tomahawk mobo and it works perfectly.I know it’s not isa but pci is nearly going the way of isa.My old card is working on Windows 10 64 bit home as well.
I still own a MS DOSmachine : it's a PIII-800 EB with a Voodoo3 and a soundblaster AWE32. With a fast CD, a ZIP 250 and a 8GB compactflash, it rocks !
P3 and voodoo3 ? thats long after dos. you should be on win98 at least ;) i had win when rivaTNT was new hahah
I kept a machine that still works. An old nonworking 486 is just useless, for it's non working...
Great vid. I always wondered what would happen when you try to shove an old OS onto new gear straight up. I'm always doing it with stuff it was meant for when the opportunity arises, but never got a chance to do this. Good show!
Amazing, just truly amazing friend your videos never decline to please thanks for everything. Cheers friend from Canada 🇨🇦
Hey guy, your brand new pc drops frames on jazz jack rabit
Can't handle 75 fps
Gotta upgrade
Even though the sound didn't work, I was able to hear all the Commander Keen sounds in my head
I always install a buzzer module when building PCs.
booop
Dylan Younkin same
@@aarriikknn33ll good to know. lol
@x41ih10a That's what phones are for
Even when you have diagnostics lights, it helps. I want to put an actual PC Speaker in my Ryzen system(an actual speaker, and not a buzzer) to get the nice 90’s beep when starting up my $1000 PC.
Me in 2017: This guy must be stupid
Me in 2019: This is stupid, but I love it. Case also needs woodgrain.
This channel is so great for people with 90s nostalgia
The latest chipset to support sound in DOS is VIA K8T890. No chance with newer hardware.
You can buy a PCI soundcard that is compatible with Sound Blaster. They are still available as new. Or just use DOSBOX.
I had hoped you were going to partition the entire HDD as dozens of 2.4GB partitions. Thanks for doing this so that I don't have to, ever. We love you Clint!
i always wondered this, thanks for taking us through it
First you tried "FORMAT C: /S", but it was taking too long. After making a smaller partition you did "FORMAT C:", which did not make the disk a system disk. You should have just done "FORMAT C: /Q /S" the first time. This would have done a (Q)uick format and made the disk a (S)ystem disk. Once quick formatting showed up in DOS, almost nobody waited for full formats anymore. :-)
Any advantages to a slower format compared to quick format? Even a minor thing?
It makes data marginally harder to recover from a formatted drive. It exercises all sectors, so if any are bad you may find out before you use the disk.
But on an SSD there are nothing but downsides. It touches all sectors which useless and can be counterproductive if the controller thinks they're now dirty. Basically, at worst it makes the drive require a TRIM command immediately because the controller thinks it's "full".
It maps out the entire partition checking & acknowledging ALL blocks & sectors (good & bad). If you're not concerned with the health of hard drive or the hard drive is old &/or questionable but the data that's gonna be stored on it is not important then quick format is fine. I usually format FULL on a new drive & from that point on I quick format unless drive has given me trouble. That being said, I test my drives every now & then and if it fails usually discard. My computing days go back to when hard drives were exponentially more expensive than now days.
No need to use /S in this case because he ran the MS-DOS install immediately afterwards which copies the system files across and marks the partition bootable.
Jan van Coppenhagen Good point ... /Q might not work in all conditions.
freedos is interesting ... is it possible you could install freedos on old computer? maybe next video you could explain the different between freeDOS, MS-DOS and DOSBOX..
Yep, it's made for a huge variety of machines!
sounds like you're talking about a corn chip
I'm sure FreeDOS could run on an old computer built for MS-DOS. As for DOSBox, the difference between that and MS-DOS or FreeDOS is that instead of being a complete operating system you install to your computer, DOSBox is an emulator.
@LGR Any chance of doing an old computer build video with FreeDOS?
It needs a 386 or higher. The only reason I couldn't use it on my old project. Cause my old project is...OLD.
Came for the experiment, stayed for the LGR. Shame about the lack of sound. You saved me a lot of time and web searching!
Love your stuff man! Keep it up!
You sir, are a national treasure. Thanks for this.
Hey, Friendo.
I did this when I built my i7-6700k system. It played Jill of the Jungle just fine, although only with PC speaker sound effects. That was also the only time that PC speaker has ever made noise.
Lmfao, excellent comment! Bet it was nice just to hear you got your .001 cents worth for the speaker in the case, I would have sat with my arms crossed and gave a swift grunt and nod- "I should bloody think so" 😂😂😂
Jill of the Jungle with no sound?? Why even play it? That's the most entertaining part. //example, picking up keys
Awesome video; makes me appreciate DOSBox even more!
your video is useful! you just saved me about a day or two trying it out myself! :D thanks!
You deleted your new video while I was in the middle of watching it... Why?
At the beginning in Fdisk did you made the 2 GB partition ACTIVE? otherwise indeed it won't start.
I remember in 1995 my dad showed me Doom on his NEC notebook that had DOS and Windows 3.1 on it. The sound was just electronic tones but on his Windows desktop at work he had it with full stereo sound.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing!
From memory you can transfer the system and set the boot partition active / fix boot sector using the "sys" command. i can't remember if its an exe or a com, heres the syntax (after booting from a bootdisk and also after u ran setup.exe):
"sys a: c:"
I used this so many times....... those good old days....... mmmmmm......
You know something, it was only last week I was wondering about the extent of backwards compatibility on modern systems and it's interesting to know that x86 support really is genuinely there. The old x86 tax is being paid in full :)
These are all still x86 CPUs, backwards compatible all the way to the 8086
This made my day.
Oh dear. My dad was even more of a god to me when he was actually able to get the sound to work on Day of the Tentacle back then. And it kind of broke my heart to see Commander Keen 4 and not hearing the tune that is still burned into my brain.
Thank you for this trip back to my childhood.
Cool review buddy! good job ;D
Pigtail speaker, like the one you showed, usually comes with PC enclosure! There's rarely an integrated buzzer on the mainboards, they're gonna save those few cent, hoping that the enclosure will supply one anyway. The big ones are certainly dead though.
Siana Gearz yea I have one of those tiny bleepers on my motherboard header. I couldn't remove it as I would miss the start up bleep too much lol.
Just find any small 4 to 8 ohm speaker such as one out of a radio or an old TV and hook it up.
I found one out of an old multi function printer/fax machine that worked perfectly.
Interesting video... PC onboard speakers is not an audio device where you have an audio codec when producing sounds. It's more like an oscillator using a hardware timer chip, or beeper or buzzer in modern terms. The speakers can be controlled by writing into hardware ports. You can use debug.exe in your ms DOS program and write out values to the ports 61, 43, or 42. Say you want to write value FF to port 61, then launch debug.exe at the the dash prompt, type "o 61 FF" (without the ") & so on... you may use the web to get the port reference.HAVE FUN!
I'm impressed you managed to get this working. I couldn't even get my old 2013 AMD FX 8350 system to run Windows XP x64 lol.
Contrary to your closing thoughts, this video was extremely helpful to those of us who might have just done this ourselves. You saved us a shitload of time with this experiment.
Now use windows 98 on a quantum computer!
I don't think you quite get how quantum computers work...
*Jim Moore* I don't think you quite got the joke...
On a r9 3950x
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike with what??
So this is what software rot looks like. Even your screen gets covered in a figurative green mold.
I love your videos !!
Keep it up !
Dude why did I not subscribe sooner. Love a few of your videos today.
It's not pointless because it's fun!
How did dos detect an nvme drive in the first place??
I dunno, maybe the chipset emulates an IDE drive?
If it was installed in SATA mode (instead of PCI-E) was my first thought, but maybe DOS being so reliant on asking the BIOS for info, the BIOS is telling DOS it's there instead of DOS looking for the hardware itself (like more modern OSes do). Even Win7 wouldn't see my NVMe in PCI-E mode w/o some specific MS KB updates.
xnonsuchx Does the controller of the 950 evo support legacy modes?
DOS uses BIOS commands to talk to the hardware instead of requiring specific drivers to do so. That's why it's so compatible with modern stuff, and why you can move old Windows installs between computers and not have any problems (whereas any NT-based Windows before Windows 10 would probably bluescreen at the boot screen).
MSDOS doesn't rely on drivers for functionality. It's basically just an interface that calls and queries hardware directly through the BIOS. Modern operating systems are built with multiple software layers that standardize functions. If you want to display a colored pixel, you do it through a function Windows provides, which goes through a lot of software operations before it remotely reaches the hardware. On MSDOS, you directly push it into the hardware memory. That's why drivers were slowly adapted, because hardware kept comming up that would use different pins and connections which would have to be resolved by programmers for every product. With the first few drivers, that responsibility was offloaded to manufacturers for the hardware. The discoloration might also be a result of said missing drivers. It's possible that AMD/Nvidia/Intel is being manufactured with flawed color profiles on purpose, because Microsoft has been using graphic chips in the past with those flaws. So they just keep making chips that rely on drivers to adjust for this anomaly and in reality the colors we are seeing in Windows are actually entirely different in reality. Fun fact: Every Windows beyond NT is actually emulating itself, which
makes it impossible to access hardware without Microsoft providing a
function for it.
Enjoying your channel thanks for sharing
Commander Keen was one of those series I played over and over and over again as a kid, along with Solar Winds and Castle of the Winds
I'd love to see someone install Windows ME on a modern PC.
Is the RAM even running in dual channel while they are placed in 2 slots right next to each other like that?
It can be easily tested with CPU-Z, but I think, no.
Depends on the MOBO configuration.
Most mother boards no, occasionally yes
I doubt that matters in Dos 6.22
Great video, man! Thanks!
A computer guy that knows what he's doing/ talking about you got my attention sub
So glad we have dosbox :-)
Well, this is a good point when you need to replace an old pc with old software that was still usable to drive something, for example an expensive pump or to revive other old equipment. You can still use the software. I think I will go for FreeDOS, because of the USB support.
. Meu Deus, fiquei louco com as cores do jogo CK. Realmente os problemas com a compatibilidade no caso do som é grande. Hehe. Ótimo vídeo
You could try using Scitech Display Doctor (adds VESA/UniVBE compatibility) with Duke Nukem 3D and see if that fixes the VESA incompatibility problems. Not that there is any actual reason to of course but would be an interesting experiment.
You should have tried some games that are known to have problems running too fast on faster CPUs (one of those that play too fast even on a 386 would have been spectacular), that would have been hilarious!
enjoyed! thank you LGR
That was really cool to see. I love the old computer software
It's a long shot but it might be possible to get audio output from the spdif output from the 980ti
You cannot enable large disk support under Fdisk on a Win98 boot disk. Doing so, causes it to create a FAT32 partition. DOS 6.22 does not know how to read FAT32. So either use the DOS 6.22 fdisk or say No to large disk support. The reason FreeDOS works is it has support for reading FAT32 partitions.
He forgot to set the boot partition to active. This must be enabled through FDISK after formatting to set the partition at bootable.
LGR, U saved lot of time, Thanks for Xperimenting
Interesting.. subscribed. I really enjoyed this video.
I just got a AM3 motherboard with 2 PCI slots to use to create a FreeNAS build with (I do not use those slots except for the bracket space). You can see where I'm going with this. I wonder if you use a PCI video card and a PCI Sound Blaster-compatible sound card, will it work? Newegg makes it really easy to find those boards. I found a Ryzen one with 2 slots; a Socket FM2 with 3 slots. For Intel, it looks even easier. A Socket LGA1151 board has 3 slots. I thought this would be harder
LGR,
Did you try the same stuff with a modern Radeon card to see if you get the same weird color palettes?
A lot of boards still come with PCI as of 2018, so definitely not out of the question for sound support on a modern system. They're even left in there FOR sound cards from what everyone can surmise. There's a business my father used to work for that used antiquated UNIX for a state wide intranet for their sales. Since the early 90s their master servers have died a few times, and I guess are now running on fairly modern PCs using legacy support to communicate with PCs in stores.
Good video. I got stuck at the EFI, and called it quits. I was trying to install Windows 95 and XP at the time. I do have Free Dos, so I'll try it instead. Thanks for the video.
I've installed DOS on my main gaming machines a bunch of times over the years - OS always works fine (might want to use third party partitioning/formatting tools), but running DOS software is more problematic since so much was written with assumptions about the era's machines. All of that can be worked around but sound card support unfortunately could not the last time I tried. OPL2LPT is probably the first option that would work on a modern machine, though it's an incomplete solution, and I imagine parallel ports are becoming less common. These days we get piezo-beepers instead of PC speakers, so you'd want to replace the beeper with a PC speaker if the machine even supports one (some are soldered on rather than being a header, and in this case looks like there might not even be the beeper).
Edit: You'd probably get DUKE running better in VESA if you run UNIVBE by SciTech - acts as a VESA compatibility layer, originally intended for cards that were too old to have it but works with ones that are too new, too. ;3
Also modern CPUs are WAY too fast for some games like Daggerfall. In case of Daggerfall, it appears as glitched climbing mode and very low jump height