Whats the big Idea? Tiny Fiat MPV goes for a drive

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  • @mikes.4811
    @mikes.4811 Рік тому +69

    "The guy I got this car from though has three of them. He's got two now, he's running out of ideas." 🤣🤣 Love it!

  • @StanSyfert
    @StanSyfert Рік тому +5

    I drive a Lancia Musa from 2007 in The Netherlands. It was first sold in Germany then someone imported it into Poland, where my father in law bought it and gave it to me and my wife. I then imported it into The Netherlands. I have only seen one other Musa of the same age here, I sometimes see a newer model. We enjoy it quite a lot. We've driven it between The Netherlands and Poland already a few times, and went on a Europe trip all the way to the Balkans with it, and the amount of space it amazing. My wife is always surprised how much stuff I manage to fit into it. It has an issue where the onboard computer is broken, so I cannot reset the clock and the "service required" symbol/text, but that's ok, the trip computer part of it still works. I discovered that the Blaupunkt audio system has a hidden AUX setting, when you press the CD button. So I bought a cable so I can connect my phone through an Auxiliary cable. When we were in Italy on that Euro trip there were a lot of Musa's, so it felt like a homecoming, that was fun. If you're ever in the area and want to check it out, let me know ;)

  • @mercedesw211classic
    @mercedesw211classic Рік тому +10

    My everyday car is a fully loaded Lancia Musa 1.3 diesel automatic.
    Best car ever for many many reasons.
    There is no new car better for real life use...

  • @manofthehour6856
    @manofthehour6856 Рік тому +20

    Wonderful, Matt! Such a fun-looking car! I am the atypical American who LOVES small cars. Despite being raised on a steady diet of the gigantic pre-Malaise and Malaise-mobiles (which admittedly I have a great nostalgic fondness for), my first car ended up being a Honda hatch, and I was completely hooked. "Small" and "hatch" are not what the car manufacturer product planners for the US have in the front of their minds when devising a new vehicle. This car is so logical: functional with and emphasis on FUN!!! Why else would you decide to buy this vehicle and profile it with such enthusiasm! Despite the departure of the Beetle, this is an infinitely more intriquing vehicle to us "average car" nerds!

    • @fritzkuhne2055
      @fritzkuhne2055 Рік тому

      unfortunately this mania for suv´s has come over the atlantic and infected europe. i believe fourty percent of cars sold new are SUV´s now

  • @paulie-Gualtieri.
    @paulie-Gualtieri. Рік тому +19

    I love the fact it's so very well equipped, which makes it more interesting than the usual Hubnut spec.

  • @nicolamiriano9150
    @nicolamiriano9150 Рік тому +13

    Much much better than the 500L, I'd prefer this to the 500x too. But above all, the best would be a Lancia Musa 1.6 Multijet with Poltrona Frau leather interior

  • @Grimwriggler
    @Grimwriggler 5 місяців тому +1

    I just found one for a friend , A 2003 1.3 diesel for 1000 euros , drove it back from Madrid to Albacete and was suvh a fun little car . i didn't want to hand it over. I enjoyed it way more than all the vans that are going for silly prices here

  • @joshbrailsford
    @joshbrailsford Рік тому +5

    The Palio is a car I'd love to see a good English language review of on UA-cam. I remember seeing them, and the Palio Weekend estate, when on holiday in Europe back in the '00s. Like the original Twingo, the Lancia Ypsilon and Kappa, and the estate version of the phase 2 Mégane 1 they were the exciting forbidden fruit you didn't see here in the UK.

  • @seancooke7332
    @seancooke7332 Рік тому +1

    All of these Supermini based hatchbacks and small MPVs in particular were the movers and the shakers of the motoring world for the last 40 years. We need to buy up as many of the last Fiestas, Corsas, Micras, Yarises, Rover 200s, Polos, Clios, 106s, 206s, Merivas, Puntos, Pandas, Ideas ( if we can find one ), Saxos, Mitos, Aveos, Yaris Versos, Moduses, Ibizas, Getzs, Metros even, before they all become a symbol of a bygone age and then disappear completely.
    The Mercedes Benz A Class was a masterpiece of space efficiency also.

  • @Guguzzz
    @Guguzzz Рік тому +3

    Even in Italy they are becoming rarer and rarer as time goes (also same era Lancia musa/ypsilon,at least in the area where I live)

  • @jo_clarke1960
    @jo_clarke1960 Рік тому +4

    Got an '02 MPV, 7 seater (kiddie seats really), with seat down you can fit loads of stuff, washing machines with space to spare. Put a washer and a cooker in back before now, not ideal probably however, they are much more practical than an SUV. That thing is amazing for space, I've had a larger one, but never looked at a smaller one. Great little, big car and review 👍

  • @jasonhimpson2334
    @jasonhimpson2334 Рік тому +1

    After watching both of your videos I've now noticed that my neighbour owns an Idea. It's a February 2006 55 plate Eleganza in light metallic blue.

  • @grayfool
    @grayfool Рік тому +9

    You're right about the change in design from practical to flashy. I'll say it again, cars haven't got better in the last twenty years, they've just got heaveir and gained more useless stuff that breaks.

    • @Phiyedough
      @Phiyedough Рік тому +3

      Yes and metal bits have been replaced by plastic bits that also break.

  • @martbeth5490
    @martbeth5490 Рік тому +10

    Fiat missed a trick here - surely this car should have been called the Giant Panda...??

  • @jeffstclair9221
    @jeffstclair9221 Рік тому +2

    I have one of these , great little car ... and agree the wing mirrors are just a tad short for me ...

  • @philipdasilva6287
    @philipdasilva6287 Рік тому +5

    Brought my first ever Fiat 6 months ago. The Panda 100hp and I absolutely love it. Interesting to see how the engine can handle a more heavy body . Great stuff

  • @histriamagna1014
    @histriamagna1014 Рік тому +5

    Bring them back!!!!!!! I miss this kind of cars.

  • @F1Kamel_1992
    @F1Kamel_1992 Рік тому +2

    Mini MPV's like this little Fiat drives like a dream. 😎🙏🚗

  • @andrewgynn4502
    @andrewgynn4502 Рік тому +3

    Had one a diesel and it was the 1.3 did over 70mpg and was a very good car .

  • @danielrussell446
    @danielrussell446 Рік тому +6

    Well done Matt a great review i remember them new but never seen around one until now what an amazingly versatile car and it’s a shame fiat don’t make something similar now its amazing how some styling cues such as the dashboard bins and instrument centre binnacle was used in the Picasso
    The dash display looks like the one out of the grande punto looking forward to seeing this come back to life Daniel

  • @willswheels283
    @willswheels283 Рік тому +3

    Great review Matt, yes a very useful, practical little mpv, I had one last year, same colour and on an 07 plate, but mine was a 1.3 Multijet Diesel, having the same engines given to the Vauxhall Combo and Corsa C.
    I think the Eleganza is the top of the range, mine was the “Dynamic” model with no sunroof/s
    I like that centre console idea with the gear change and those centre clocks, reminds you of the Renault Scenic.
    Sadly mine was scrapped by the new owner I sold it to this year due to multiple expensive issues.
    Great cars though, I don’t really understand why they didn’t sell as well as the scenic or the Meriva.

  • @preonmodel9906
    @preonmodel9906 Рік тому +5

    The speedo console and stalks are the same as the fiat Ducato of the same era, lovely bit of parts bin engineering.
    I’d really like one of these, I’m going to tell the wife that’s she’s got no Idea 😅

  • @johnmoruzzi7236
    @johnmoruzzi7236 Рік тому +1

    Great little car with a fun engine. The budget equivalent of the Audi A2 which should have sold much better than it did.

  • @paultasker7788
    @paultasker7788 Рік тому +2

    We had the 1.2 16 valve 85bhp in a Punto cabriolet and it was fun to rev. Not much power low down but surprisingly quick at the top end. The mini convertible that replaced it (1.6 litre cooper 2nd generation) felt dull and gutless in comparison. The polo 8 valve 1.3 I had at the time incredibly forgiving at low revs, could use 5th at 30 but horrible to rev out with no gain in power. Total opposite of the Fiat. Can see the appeal of the small Italian revvy engine.

  • @RobinCapper
    @RobinCapper Рік тому +1

    I don't think they ever got to New Zealand but saw lots in Argentina when travelling there.

  • @handymattadventures
    @handymattadventures Рік тому +2

    Had one as a hire car in Italy and really liked it. Shame they didn't really catch on in the UK and that they ended production, as I'd interested in owning one, but not at this age with the scarcity of spares.

  • @HowardLeVert
    @HowardLeVert Рік тому +4

    I really do like that car, I'd have one in a heartbeat. By contrast, I spent Tuesday travelling in the back of a 2013 Mercedes A-class with doors so low I banged my head getting in and windows so narrow I had a view akin to peering through a letterbox. I miss light and airy cars like this.

  • @13Pandam
    @13Pandam Рік тому +6

    I find they go much better if you take them to 5,750rpm ( maximum power ) in second and third, they land right at the start of the power band for the next gear up. I use the term ‘power’ loosely.

    • @13Pandam
      @13Pandam Рік тому +1

      P.S. Liking the drone shots. 👍

  • @timelwell7002
    @timelwell7002 Рік тому +1

    As I said before - I'm jealous..! This is my kind of car...

  • @rayanderson921
    @rayanderson921 Рік тому +5

    I laughed way too much at the fact he's running out of Idea's 🤣🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @batbay01
    @batbay01 Рік тому +1

    I have a petrol Musa here in Almeria, Spain and love it! Not a lot of Musas in Spain, just had a look and only about 20 currently on sale in the whole country.
    Cruising on the motorway at a genuine 120kph (75mph) it returns 34mpg. It's always willing to go faster, but I get the "Beep" to keep it down. Only criticism is that on the long climbs we have on some parts of the Autovia Mediterraneo here it needs dropping down to 5th gear which is quite a lot lower.
    Cruising at an indicated 130kph in 6th it's revving at under 3500rpm.

  • @leskouts2
    @leskouts2 Рік тому +8

    The dash is great compared to most of the boring naughties interiors. Lots of character

    • @SportFury1966
      @SportFury1966 Рік тому

      I wonder if they did that for use in both left and right hand drive cars.

    • @leskouts2
      @leskouts2 Рік тому

      @@SportFury1966 originally would have been a left hand drive for Italy and mainland Europe where most of the sales would have gone. Can't tell from the videos if the console points to the driver or centre

  • @terryatkinson899
    @terryatkinson899 Рік тому +3

    You really need to rev it harder, those fire engines love to rev🤗

  • @applejuice5272
    @applejuice5272 Рік тому +1

    Loving the drone 360-degree shots!

  • @matthewgodwin3050
    @matthewgodwin3050 Рік тому +1

    Fiat are so good at the small budget friendly family car. Just a shame that their dealer customer service is so utterly woeful, otherwise they would probably sell a lot more cars in the UK.

  • @andyarmstrong1493
    @andyarmstrong1493 Рік тому +3

    Great review, Matt. This is a car that I never noticed, now I want one!

  • @DashCamSerbia
    @DashCamSerbia Рік тому +2

    The same 1.4 16v 95hp engine is still used in Fiat 500L. My colleague from work has it.

  • @jimmyj1969
    @jimmyj1969 Рік тому +3

    "The guy who owned this had three of them. He has two now - he's running out of Ideas"!
    This is professional level joke!

  • @profrumpo
    @profrumpo Рік тому +3

    Terrific practical small car, the only thing I don't like about it is the central instrument binnacle. Not seen one for years almost a collectors item!

  • @PaddyWV
    @PaddyWV Рік тому +1

    Lived near a Fiat Dealer in the late eighties and Pandas Unos, Regattas and even Cromas were everywhere. Funny how as the 90's/00's progressed you stopped noticing them really. Pretty as the Marea, Brava, Bravo etc were, they just seemed to come and go unnoticed.

  • @BITTYBOY121
    @BITTYBOY121 Рік тому +5

    What a jolly good IDEA from Fiat !

  • @lloydvehicleconsulting
    @lloydvehicleconsulting Рік тому +3

    Thanks ever so much indeed again for letting me drive this a couple of days ago, sir! It was a great Idea...

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      Glad you enjoyed driving it, and we look forward to seeing the results

    • @lloydvehicleconsulting
      @lloydvehicleconsulting Рік тому

      @@furiousdriving , it's up on the channel right now, sir!

  • @darrenwilson8042
    @darrenwilson8042 Рік тому +2

    I remember these - sadly FIAT's were not on our company car list but these were great - baffling why they were in such a short production run - as I recall thanks to company car lists and the provision via Motability meant the mk1 Meriva soaked up the market which is sad because when I drove a Meriva the front visibility from the drivers seat was borderline dangerous. I recall a car magazine tested most of the worst in Europe and the Meriva's view out was by far the most obstructed and worst

  • @martinclapton2724
    @martinclapton2724 Рік тому +3

    Incredible amount of practical ideas ( pun intended!) in a not so big overall size, ITS A TARDIS! . You’ve sold the Idea to me Matt

  • @fhwolthuis
    @fhwolthuis Рік тому +4

    I believe the mirrors are from the Stilo

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +3

      Theres a lot of parts bin stuff in there!

    • @terryatkinson899
      @terryatkinson899 Рік тому +2

      ​@@furiousdriving that's why everything should be available except body panels 😢

  • @peterriggall8409
    @peterriggall8409 Рік тому +2

    This is a very impressive car. I have been impressed with the versatility of a Honda Jazz but this is better…..

  • @drivesoserious6548
    @drivesoserious6548 Рік тому +2

    Someone i use to work with had one been a passenger it felt quick big on the inside and it was fairly nippy and agile from what I remember

  • @RichieRouge206
    @RichieRouge206 Рік тому +5

    That’s interesting info about it not being related to the Meriva. Such a fun little car and definitely one that would be hard to part with. Great video as always Matt

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +5

      It is a cracking little thing, think Id prefer this engine in a Panda 100 though...

  • @Phiyedough
    @Phiyedough Рік тому +2

    I just looked to see if there are any for sale here in Croatia. I found just one, a 2008 1.3 MJET with 154,000 km and it was listed at €4,490 but cars are very expensive here.

  • @scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain

    Has Mrs Furious claimed it as her Mini replacement yet?
    Something about small and small engined cars that I like, it's maybe the #powerlessismore

  • @richardsmith5249
    @richardsmith5249 Рік тому +3

    The more I see of it, more Multipla DNA I notice. Gear lever placement, centralised instruments, dash-top cubbies etc. And the Multipla nosejob front end, obviously.

  • @jamestaleporos9794
    @jamestaleporos9794 Рік тому +1

    Looks so much like the Meriva from the side! It can't have been a coincidence surely?
    I don't see any similarity to the Punto or Panda really.

  • @Ivc406
    @Ivc406 Рік тому +2

    Hi,Matt great little/big motor wish they still made them I would go for one great channel,love the one liners😂regards 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🛠️

  • @parkecorepersonaltrainingp2601

    Really enjoyed this great to get to know the great little mph in more detail. Very clever design ❤🎉

  • @PaddyWV
    @PaddyWV Рік тому +1

    Idle thought....Do any cars have the rear seat squabs folding up from the front so the rear upright drops down behind, so creating a flat extended boot floor, any more? Always thought that was the neatest way of doing it.

  • @SabotsLibres
    @SabotsLibres Рік тому +2

    You’re not going to believe this, Matt, but I passed yet another Idea in the village a couple days ago and this one came from Eure-et-Loir, west of Paris…

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      You must have most of the survivors living there!

    • @SabotsLibres
      @SabotsLibres Рік тому

      Er, Matt, just on my way from Toulouse to Foix … I’ve just overtaken a Musa… (have sent you a photo)

  • @TrentJordan3198
    @TrentJordan3198 Рік тому

    I know some cars sold new in Japan (e.g. Toyota Corolla E120, Mazda BJ Familia/323F, and some kei cars) have the front passenger seat fold all the way forward flat, and there is a plastic/table (with intended cupholders) on the front passenger seat.

  • @fhwolthuis
    @fhwolthuis Рік тому +3

    What a nice car! I hope you will give it a good clean and some love and maybe it's a good successor for your C-class, for the Ulez areas 😂

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      It is lovely but more of a town car than a motorway cruiser so the Merc has a place

  • @UnusSedLeo-w5l
    @UnusSedLeo-w5l Рік тому +2

    What a LOVELY Fiat Matt!

  • @TheCaptainsBlog
    @TheCaptainsBlog Рік тому

    Always talks about the wonders of a spare wheel. Have you ever needed one? I’ve never needed on - because all and EVER puncture I’ve had has been small, and slow. Enough time to order a new tyre, drive to the fitters have it fitted -or- have them come to me to fit the new. Even if I had a spare, I’d never be bothered to use it because this is why I pay more on my recovery plan.

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      Yes, several times and never a puncture that could be fixed by spray goo. Last time a pot hole cut the full width of the tyre side to side, at 6pm, 150 miles from home.
      Had a spare, went home. Would have been in a tow truck all night and off work next day without a spare

  • @simonkimber1152
    @simonkimber1152 Рік тому

    Brings back memories of the summer I worked at the local fait dealers and had an idea as a car… they couldn’t sell the idea for love or Money.. they were like 40% more than punto and top heavy

  • @worldofrandometry6912
    @worldofrandometry6912 Рік тому +3

    Seems very good but how is it underneath for rust?

  • @adrianrowden8266
    @adrianrowden8266 Рік тому +2

    On the contrary, sounds like your friend has Multipla Ideas.

  • @kevinnye5132
    @kevinnye5132 Рік тому +2

    Hi Matt, I usually understand your videos completely normally 🤔 but this one got me a little perplexed ? What is a sit down shower seat and also a Werthers sweet 😂, obviously your a little older than me 👨🏻‍🦳and more au fait with such essentials of old age 😂. Seriously though I do like this car and so practical 👍🏻.

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      You mean Facebook adverts dont show you these things?

  • @jamescoe764
    @jamescoe764 Рік тому +1

    Same design principles as the original mini. Looks like a great little car, I can only think that Fiat didn't get behind it when it was new...

  • @ianfrost3529
    @ianfrost3529 Рік тому +1

    My friend had one was a very useful car

  • @stevew579
    @stevew579 Рік тому +1

    I remember when these came out but did not see many about I ended up buying the Stilo estate.

  • @jonp5641
    @jonp5641 Рік тому +2

    'He's running out of ideas'.😂

  • @fritzkuhne2055
    @fritzkuhne2055 Рік тому +4

    i absolutely love the SUV hate in your videos ;D

  • @martinmentor
    @martinmentor Рік тому +2

    very interesting car.

  • @hhgttg69
    @hhgttg69 Рік тому +1

    never seen one, as they weren't sold here in Australia

  • @rgorham99
    @rgorham99 Рік тому

    I've seen a few come up for sale but discounted them for the reason of parts availability. Has many similarities with the Citroen C3 Picasso

  • @johnmontgomery634
    @johnmontgomery634 Рік тому +1

    It doesn't look that bad too be honest I quite like it..

  • @bikeman123
    @bikeman123 Рік тому +2

    Looks like a small Multipla mk2.

  • @stevie007
    @stevie007 Рік тому +2

    Great stuff !!! AS PER MATE

  • @mikefoley360
    @mikefoley360 Рік тому +2

    Surprised a berlingo owner hasn't made you an offer for this.

  • @tommyolsen8224
    @tommyolsen8224 Рік тому +1

    Can you please test drive a first gen SMART Forfour ?

  • @crusinclassicslucas6218
    @crusinclassicslucas6218 Рік тому

    12:21 honk!

  • @johncouriermeh
    @johncouriermeh Рік тому +1

    Very bad joke about "running out of ideas" Matt. But I did have a giggle.

  • @SunnyD1865
    @SunnyD1865 Рік тому

    Suppose these are a bit like the European Ford Fusion but with some more style. I say some more as if the fusion had any style to begin with. Interesting things

  • @coops206
    @coops206 Рік тому

    Giving me Ford Focus C-Max vibes from the front 3/4 view.

  • @GrahamReid34
    @GrahamReid34 Рік тому +2

    Pesky Berlingo uh oh “fiiiiggghhhhtt”

  • @AlejjSi
    @AlejjSi Рік тому

    I wondered why Fiat did the Idea when they had the Panda and aha, the Idea is actually bigger, though I own the 169 Panda and I pass by a Idea every time I walk my dog and I wouldn't tell the Idea is actually bigger 😁

  • @psircos
    @psircos Рік тому

    Did you say a 1.9d? Like the 1.9d jtd in the 147, 156 and Gt AR models at the time?
    That engine is a peach! Remapped it's a hoot too....probably scary as hell in that wee sardine tin 😂

  • @petertrinder3127
    @petertrinder3127 Рік тому

    A bit like Golf plus

  • @RadlerMannheim
    @RadlerMannheim Рік тому

    They should have built an Alfa Romeo version just for you... 😉😉😉

  • @brianiswrong
    @brianiswrong Рік тому

    Does it have cruise control?
    If not,it seems the only thing missing.

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому

      No, I was expecting to find that but its more of a town than highway car

  • @MINIMOTOMADNESS
    @MINIMOTOMADNESS Рік тому +1

    hi matt i have an 18 yr old toyota,woud you like to do a video on it?its got 150k ish on it,it was made quite famous because they were used as taxis

  • @lesklower7281
    @lesklower7281 Рік тому

    Matt the only car you can make puns about it because of its a Fiat ldea l know the Fiat motor company but never knew about the Idea what a great name for this small MPV better than an SUV

  • @chrisstuart9425
    @chrisstuart9425 Рік тому

    "Pesky Berlingos" ? Cheeky! 😂

  • @AJC508
    @AJC508 Рік тому +3

    Not to be a smarty pants, but it’s pronounced eeh-day-ah, Italian style.
    Yeah ok, pedantic.
    … but correct!

  • @NB_NB_NB
    @NB_NB_NB Рік тому +1

    Looks like a Meriva

  • @tonys1636
    @tonys1636 Рік тому

    Who actually cares about the 0-60, it's the 0-30 that's important for the TL GP, for those wishing to be first at the next set or to get there whilst still green. Although linked lights are based on an average of about 18 - 20 between them.

  • @danr1920
    @danr1920 Рік тому +2

    In the U.S., Fiats have the reputation as the most unreliable brand you can buy. Not sure what they still sell here, but the 500, and slightly bigger 4 door car.

    • @matthewc.419
      @matthewc.419 Рік тому +1

      F.I.A.T
      Fix It Again Tomorrow

    • @histriamagna1014
      @histriamagna1014 Рік тому +3

      A lot of Fiat cars here in Europe. Not problematic at all.

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +4

      Hugely popular in Europe, 500 is one of the best sellers and not known for problems

    • @histriamagna1014
      @histriamagna1014 Рік тому +3

      @@furiousdriving Here in my hometown in Slovenia they are practicaly everywhere. All the ladies want one.

  • @davidrumming4734
    @davidrumming4734 Рік тому

    See if you can find a Lancia Y10 to test drive.

  • @AnyoneSeenMikeHunt
    @AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Рік тому

    Off topic Q: As a YT Premium subscriber I don't get ads so how does the content creator get paid from this?
    The equivalent of an Ad view?

    • @furiousdriving
      @furiousdriving  Рік тому +2

      I think it is something like that, instead of getting 1/10 of a penny from an ad we would get that from Premium,, but its not clear whether the amount is more, less or the same!

  • @malcolmmorton989
    @malcolmmorton989 Рік тому +2

    Will you be doing a similar review of the instantly forgettable Fiat Stilo ?

  • @mickdebrou4567
    @mickdebrou4567 Рік тому

    He's running out of Ideas!....Boom boom

  • @mancavehobbies6213
    @mancavehobbies6213 Рік тому +1

    Matt i message you for a swap some days ago take a look

  • @davidrumming4734
    @davidrumming4734 Рік тому

    Very very similar to my 2019 Honda.
    But I think the Honda is a bit bigger (since the mk3) and a bit more relaxed to drive. Rear seats tho with similar multi-way folding design do not slide.
    Yea the odd ball FIAT 500 XXL or whatever it’s called doesn’t look anywhere near as nice. Ugly version of the otherwise cute 500.