Aggressive Student CURSES OUT Conservative After Being Outsmarted
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This student has no clue how to debate! Argue, yes! But debate, no!
He thinks he is smart because he clearly was in debate class and learned the new "style" of debate taught in schools now. It's basically oppression politics at super speed and denounce anyone who argues the opposite. There was a big controversy a couple years ago about the debate clubs going completely wild by throwing actual, traditional debate out the window.
This dude is insufferable. I cannot imagine being around him everyday, much less working with him.
The hair shows how smart he is. That shaggy long hair looks like a useless lazy bum. Cant even keep the hair neat and clean.
If I go to the store and buy a box of breakfast cereal, that turns out to be sawdust......the sawdust isnt useless as I can use it to soak up oil in my driveway, but I still got scammed.
Great analogy. Well said
This is perfect! Lol
I remember when I was his age, I too thought I had it all figured out, I was smarter than all the adults in the room, and nobody could tell me anything because I was ten foot tall and bulletproof. At some point I learned to shut up and listen.
I think this young man's inability to see that 100,000 dollars in debt is not a reasonable price to pay, for skills you could have acquired faster on the job, suggests that he lives a very sheltered life.
His parents always told him, he was special.
College needs to teach these people not to say ‘like’ in every sentence they utter.
He wasn't there to debate, he wanted to belittle with an argue points to show he's smarter.
The moment you curse someone in a debate you lose.
All through high school it was pushed on me by the school that I NEED to go to college to be successful. I dropped out of high school and bought a house, I own a car and got 0 debt.
All my friend that went to college and got fancy degrees are currently working outside the fields they got degrees in struggling to pay off the college debts, have to rely on public transport and they are all pared up into groups of 3 or 4 to rent apartments.
They laughed at me for dropping out, I now laugh at them for being in debt upto their eyeballs, with nothing to show for it, because they got ripped off.
Yeah life is same here in the UK if you cannot get a job within a certain area. Too over qualified or too under qualified.
Me on the other hand being Gen X have certain skills. Lols. In which we have less education but more knowledge and skills. So we have graduated people on a higher pay grade to us who do not understand business from the bottom up. We do, but to try to apply for a post of a job higher and requesting a degree is beyond us entirely. Even though we understand the job better.
"i dropped out of high school and bought a house" ... you're either skipping a LOT, full of shit, or you were in a situation to begin with that did not require you to have credentials... sure, silver spoon kids can buy a house after dropping out of high school, with daddy's money... you're telling us you do not have so much as a high school diploma, but have acquired the necessary wealth to be in a better financial situation than the majority of the nation......... if you're not full of shit, then you had tons of help... which is it?
Just out of curiosity...was this the same time frame that pushed plastic bags over paper bags? Cause they were both in my elem/jr years. (And I lived in a paper mill town....well, it's not a paper mill town anymore, js.)
There's a lot to be said for trade schools.
College is not a scam if you get useful degrees like engineers, accountants, doctors, lawyers.
This guy is arrogant and is refusing to accept that there are parts of college that are a scam. He is probably about to graduate and realized he has no job opportunities coming up for the field he studied. I went into the trades out of high school when my friends went to college. Out of my closest friends, only one is working in his field of study 10 years out of college. One went into a trade after graduating and two are in unrelated fields of their studies. They all feel scammed.
Like like like like like… who taught kids to speak this way? Oh that’s right..
Someone hire this kid immediately while he still knows everything!
Nobody's that fast.
Hell, I Didn't use 3/4 of what was Taught in High School. WTF Would I go to College and be Forced to take Classes that Have Nothing to do with the Field of Work I wanted to go into?
For high school. I'd support going and getting generalized knowledge. College is supposed to be specific knowledge towards a specific topic.
@@knightwalkr even then, for a vast majority of college courses, you'd be able to learn faster by doing the job off no experience than you will having to study for 2+ years. Not to mention employers often value experience over qualifications.
I gladly walked away from my study with no debt (government initiative), because I'd have been pissed if I had to pay when I'd have learnt more simply doing the job.
The student is arguing just for the sake of arguing.
argument for the sake of argument is how societies learn and grow... skepticism is healthy... no person ever achieved greatness without first being their own devil's advocate... what your retarded phrase implies is that one should simply accept the statements of others, regardless if it makes sense or not... you are LITERALLY not doing that right now, on a youtube video comments section, where none of those involved in the original debate will actually read it... so... are you fucking arguing just to argue??? (fucking retards are everywhere)
Just graduated from college with a computer programming degree and all the certificates needed to get a job in tech. I'm telling you right now as someone who has done it, a good portion of my learning was UA-cam. Even some of my teachers directed us to look at UA-cam for help if we didn't understand or needed more help on something.
With the introduction of AI some tech jobs are even going to be replaced. So pretty soon STEM could end up becoming SEM LOL. So I did the work and smart thing and went into getting a degree that at the time was considered worthy of going to college for and while in there I learn that people can easily get a job in tech without going into debt. College absolutely is a scam!
Yeah I graduated a bootcamp called App Academy in 2021 and they didn’t make me pay anything back until I got a job making over 60k. My first job was 80k, the bootcamp actually hired me. Now I’m making six figures at my third place of employment, and have verifiably beaten out hundreds of applicants with degrees, who sadly will be paying back their college, with interest, whether they get a job or not.
It’s a scam.
The student was there to debate. Red flag.
Pretty sure the guy is also a red.
They try to do these things to get clout on their own side but all it does is make them look incredibly dumb
That dude just wants to PROVE that college isn't a scam because of doctors lawyers and accountants... Which he claims is a majority of the students. LMAO... Sure, buddy. It's all good. We're all better for having been forced to pull a D in Art history 101 or suck it up and pass that MS excel class that we'll never use... Sure. You're 100% correct...
These days you can learn all that on the internet. I learned mechanics on the internet. 15 yrs since took a car to a shop and fix friends cars too. 100% free knowledge from the internet. Get free financial advice. Im learning and now advising my daughter and she may soon get to buy a house. Cheap house but a house. Free knowlege to renovate that house. College is a scam. Internet gives more knowledge at finger tips
It's not just colleges that are making certain students sound arrogant, but it's also social media that keeps adding fuel to the fire. When there are those who get used to listening to one-side of every little detail in life, they end up learning the hard way, on how much of that is actually true or not.
That student is closed minded and lacks the ability to think beyond his own perception.
he gets it from literally 90% of the world population... like fucking religious people, for example...
Love it how most of these students that haven’t worked or owned property and have no life experience or knowledge of the real world think they are the arbitrator of truth and facts and think they know everything… these kids need to be humbled.
Dude wouldn’t shut up long enough to get a response 🤦♀️🙄
Trade school gives better returns on your tuition and you won’t be in debt 100.000.000 and not be able to pay your debt.
I wouldn't mind my tax dollars funding that type of schooling. It's inexpensive. they can finish within a year and be working that same year in that field
@yomamaso100 Depends on the state and the trade for the U.S. For many states, electricians and plumbers are required to take 4 years (2 for residential) of trade school and on the job training to be licensed. Welders have a much shorter trade school generally.
@@codyr9009 Still better than the Marxist training facilities we have now.
Still wouldn't mind my tax dollars funding 2 years of trade school which is an actual skill
That kid would argue with a femce post then kick it cause it wouldnt argue back. He didnt want to debate, he wanted to shout down Charlie.
It's called cognitive dissonance.
It's only partly about thinking - they aren't even listening.
He is not there to debate.
Nope.
He's there so he can find himself on Kirk's page afterwards and send the video to all his friends while saying "See how hard-core I am? I argued with Kirk (and lost).
Can we bang?"
Lol
Dude, I got out of the navy in 86. I was an above average aviation electronics technician, with 6 years experience. I applied for at least 3 dozen jobs afterwards, and every one said they wanted someone with at least an associate degree with no experience. A degree is a scam without experience.
This dudes whole premise was to argue the exception to prove the rule, the fact that he could even use that route eliminates his argument from the start, it’s self-evident.
Colleges DO promise. When I was deciding on my major, I had reps from the departments insisting that getting degrees in their field would lead to all sorts of jobs.
This dude really pointed to his speech classes for his flawless communication, then proceeded to say “like” 2+ times a sentence and interrupt Charlie’s retorts every single time..
You’re proving his point buddy.
Trade school is the best way to go. There is also work you way up. I went to CNA classes, worked at a hospital, they put me through LPN classes. Then, 1 year later I took the classes to get my nursing degree. Many of the nurses I worked with went straight to college and came out with debt and classes they did not need. While I took weeks off at a time to get my degree while working and the hospital paid to further my education because it was also a benefit to them to have a dedicated employee who worked hard.
"Too much of what is called "education" is little more than an expensive isolation from reality." - Thomas Sowell
I'd appreciate your reactions to some Thomas Sowell videos.
Another important point is that having a college degree is built into the system.
A lot of jobs require it.
That's a scam because you are forced to go into debt in order to have a better chance of getting a higher paying job.
But having a degree doesn't mean they are better for the job than someone who learned on their own.
The guy should definitely ask for his money back! Lol!
Its like trying to have a conversation with my wife.
What you buy in college is the classes and tests, they don't sell you a job.
Weird people don't understand that.
This is a guy whos NEVER met a knuckle.
He will. When he does, he will become a psychopath
It is what is referred to as a sunk cost. The price isn't recovered with the majority of degrees. It is a scam. We should go back to apprenticeships, journeymans, and certifications. Most degrees salaries are not worth the income potential.
Software engineer who makes six figures here. I went to a 6 month coding bootcamp, and was chosen over hundreds of college graduates who had over 100k in college debt because I had practical useful experience and they had theoretical knowledge. College is a scam. I paid back 31k AFTER I got a job, with no interest.
IMO. Partial blame is on the employers where they place education requirements without examining the actual role requirements.
30K is a minimum and in MA it's around 40-50k and then they are in debt. Then they complain that what they went to college for does not get them a 6 figure salary - this is what students expect, but is obviously irrational. Now we have a person in the office forgiving random college debt which makes this situation worse since OTHER taxpayers are paying for a lot of these students that have useless degrees.
How about taking up a trade which will get you 6 figures and it will take a year or less, and then in 5 years you can own your own company depending on how talented you are.
BTW - paying 200k or more to get social contacts with a degree that means nothing equals nothing. Based on what I see with Colleges/Universities these days they are not learning a lot other than being sheep.
What's hilarious is the fact that a pipe fitting course at a college is about $16,000.
An electrical course is about $30k
Those 2 courses can have you earning all your tuition back in the first year out of school.
These kids are being failed in highschool, as they do not have the knowledge of critical thought. Everyone is taught interest rates and debt payments, but never budgeting and financing.
I remember seeing a video of a girl who went to college to get a marketing degree, and she was angry to the point of near tears that she wasn't getting a 200k job right out of college, because employers want someone with actual experience for a job like that, as it's most likely a senior position, not an entry-level. Her argument was "college IS my experience". No, no it's not. College is an education, it's not a substitute for actual experience.
@@enigmalfidelityThey don't want to actually WORK!
@@rjay7019 and who taught them that?
The Scam is in the Useless Classes they try to Incorporate into your Course load.
Humanities? Gender Studies? Women's Studies?
I have an ART Degree, a B.A. BUT, my Minor(s) are Graphic Design and Computer Animation.
It would have been interesting to know what his degree is in and then inform him of what beginning and ending salary is in that field.
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Based off his "debate," he could've just worked at a restaurant and gotten what he used as examples.
The scam is being told you will make more with the degree. Unless you're going into finance, medicine, engineering, the ROI is not there.
Beware of the word "matriculating" colleges use to require you for a major to take more classes that you don't need to bleed you for tuition money. Colleges are years, even decades behind in career fields by requiring you take classes that have absolutely no relevance to the job you want. I know that I could have easily done without 30-40% of the required classes the college demanded I had to take for my major. It's padding for them to keep the student body count up.
If there was no promise or expectation of a return on investment, then no bank would fund your student loan.
Most of them go for a few years of fun instead of working!
Learn to be a plumber you will make more money
Or anything trade related. Mechanic, HVAC, electrician, ect. Learn to start your own business and the salary is way more! Plus you start without 100k in debt.
@@justins3810 someone doesn't own a business or else you would know what overhead is... 🤦♂🤦♂... debt is a fact of life... if you are not in debt to others, then you are in debt to yourself... get off youtube, guy, you're obviously not ready for it... 🤦♂🤦♂
@@ahhhreelmonsters366 Tell us how to do it properly. How much do you make being an internet troll?
@@justins3810 he is right though, depending on the product you can instantly go thousands of dollars into debt just because your employee forgot to put a sticker on a pallet 😂
@@wptd2689 why is that funny?
His BEST argument was that for some people, college is not a scam, so therefore it is fallacious to say that college is a scam, generally speaking.
Of course, that is a strawman, but details. He was most certainly not there to debate. He was there simply for show purposes.
It's kinda like saying a pyramid scheme isn't a scam because some people do make money from it.
Dude doesn't want to debate Charlie. He just wants to argue. He doesn't appear that bright.
If I got this right, the student is saying a college degree 'gets your foot in the door' in your chosen field, once it's in there, other doors that might be closed, totally different and have no bearing on your college degree, open up. Charlie is saying your degree didn't get you your job, the student is saying if it wasn't for the degree, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to get the unrelated job.
(I can be corrected).
This dude says let me hear your point and then keeps cutting him off.
My 3rd and 4th years in college was worthless other than keep me out of Vietnam. I learned absolutely nothing. My first two gave me a fabulous foundation to become a top performer in my profession.
Colleges may not "guarantee" a job, but they do publish "placement" rates following their designed programs
That guy is willingly ignorant and triggered going in. Debating someone like that is useless. Save those who are willing to listen
Smugness is such a turnoff
The guy was there to argue not debate. He asked for a definition then total disregarded it to keep arguing. 😂😂😂😂
I used to ask my coworkers two questions 1) what degree did you get and 2) what are your doing now? The people I worked with were never working in their degree field. A degree was often just a check box to determined if you were smart or not. Now days a degree is turning out to be a signal that your are nuts.
Like listing pronouns.
I can counteract the accounting argument. I was a bookkeeper. I started as an office clerk, proved my self-taught knowledge to my boss, and ended up doing the same job for higher pay than the college grad who came to work 2 years later. I even trained her.
I spent over 20 years with the title of bookkeeper, doing the job of an accountant for the pay of an accountant. ❤😊
The average cost to attend a private American university for 4 years is 230k when all costs are accounted, MIT which subsidizes about 50% of the cost for every single student that attends is over 300k for 4 years after the subsidies.
How many times does the student have to say like in one sentence.
Alot of people just argue to win. If they lose, theyll never admit or learn from it
He is obviously listening just to reply and not listening to try to understand.
He's saying that a good portion of college students are paying for college classes that promiss them degrees in something these students will or can get a high paying job afterwards but never end being able to come close to getting any job in the field they went to college for In the first place much less a high paying job at all.
How can a guy who knows nothing think he should debate anyone?
Why are we bailing out student loans if it's not a scam?
His accounting argument is probably the worst one he could've come up with.
The act of acting like you dont understand is a style of argument when you dont have talking points to support your claim to infantilize the argument as a whole. Thus making the other person look bad by being involved in the arguments.
All he wanted to do was shout his opinion louder, try to get digs in on Charlie Kirk where he could… yet all he did was make a fool of himself.
I would rather hire a person who served in the military then when to many colleges!
I say that all the time as a mother of three grown children with a high school diploma at minimal LOL has enough smarts to raise three babies into adult men, but then has to turn around and be re-educated on how to teach children education? That's what he's saying,. It doesn't make any bloody sense I've been there done that went to the college did part of the education and learned only that my $40,000 debt was going to be paid off by a minimum wage job from exactly what I went to the college to educate myself in
"I am here to debate", said in a proud bragadocious manner. And he debated absolutely NOTHING, he just argued against published facts. Proving that university was doing nothing for him, and therefor proving the fact that college is a scam for most who attend (and that is without knowing that he is studying for a history in basket weaving)
So he doesn’t understand that becoming an accountant doesn’t require you knowing what literature really is.
Hands up if you think this young man’s parents are footing the bill for his education. How else would you casually spend $100 grand on “interpersonal skills”?
What a big jerk!!
Jerk is definitely a good word for it.
He's saying that there are many jobs that kids get out of college, that they could have gotten without paying for a degree. That's the scam.
Totally a scam. Unfortunately too many corporations require degrees. Life experience is free and wisdom is priceless. ❤️
Quit school now boy....
Immigrant here. Hardly speak English but I don't use the word "LIKE" that much talking to someone or explaining to someone.
The student is often using the exception fallacy. This is no different than "Men are stronger than women." YEAH WELL I KNOW THIS ONE GIRL!!! So what? Why should I care that you know this 1 singular exception to the rule? It doesn't negate the rule so I don't care that you've said it.
The student isn't debating to prove or disprove any specific topic of discussion, he is simply attempting to perform for a job interview with any ideological activist opportunity. This is the highlight of his resume.
Debating is not swearing at people..
This student, while aggressive af, kinda shifted my opinion on this topic from agreeing with the claim that college is a scam to it is definitely NOT a scam, but it has a worrying level of corruption from tribal ideologies.
I love how crazy it got. Charlie is good with people.
I dropped out of college, My family pressed me to go to college n they still do. I still haven’t figured out what to do with my life though.
It's not up to the college to make sure the students don't make bad decisions on which degrees they get or if they are going to even use the degree, they are offering a degree and nothing else. They are of course marketing that degree as a dream of a good life doing what you want with that degree but it's a buyer beware kinda thing. America gives you the freedom to make stupid mistakes
That dude is insufferable!
He's been indoctrinated and unwilling to look at any ideas that MIGHT destroy that indoctrination!
A true open minded person looks at all sides and arguments before choosing a side.
All qualifications just confirm you have a good memory for this subject.
It does not say you are good at it, only experience confirms competence.
Him saying like every other word tells me his education was a scam without having to hear anything he has to say. Because like I’ve never like met a intelligent like person that say like every other like word.
Tired of these paid actors
He's in college and has to ask what the definition of 'value' is? He must be a student at UCLA.
[UK] Thankfully I took all my degrees last century, when relevant education was included, rather than Maoist brainwashing.
This is so crazy I thought I was watching videos on two devices
Parents have been brainwashed into thinking that college is necessary to their child’s success in life. Many of them struggle and sacrifice to save for their child’s college when the money is better spent elsewhere like saving you retirement. Then this hard earned money is gone…and what do you have to show for it?
This guy is proof if the problem he lacks wisdom, knowledge, and understanding.
* Our local police department changed requirements to have a college degree. Once they did that they found out their applicants and subsequent hires HAD NO COMMON SENSE. It took at least a decade to realize that the officers they hired without a degree but with LIFE EXPERIENCE made much better Officers.
I was a high school dropout, got my GED and with life experience I was able to find and finish a career in a field I was passionate about. Not only did I excel without higher education but I am now retired and collect a check every month from retirement without a degree.