Wearing stiff mountaineering boots for summer mountain stuff: Is it overkill?
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- It might often seem that Mountaineering Instructor and Mountain Leader types wear boots that really are overkill for UK "summer" mountain stuff, but I think there's very good reason...
These are the newer version of the boots I show in the video:
LaSportiva Trango Tower bit.ly/384lFzQ
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Appreciate your comment regarding stiffer boot. Currently I ignore my stiff leather boots but I know they give me more security, but still love the comfort and support I get from, my Mendel Journey Comfort. Cheers, Bernard Mitchinson.
I use Scarpa Manta boots (non-goretex version) year round, in all weather conditions and terrains; changing thickness of socks according to tenperature.
Just what I needed to hear. My old Raichle have just given up and been looking at the new version (now mammut). Started thinking they might be too stiff/heavyweight but sticking with them, the old boots were good for everything from crib goch in the snow to dog walks across wet fields.
Absolutely agree, I always buy reasonably stiff boots - funnily enough I've just bought some Trango Tech Leathers, which are about B1/1.5 too from the looks of it (will judge when they arrive). Previously I lived in Meindl Bhutans, which are a B1, but since I get on really well with my Nepals and G5s I've gone with La Sportiva again. 300g lighter per boot than the Meindls.
Going everywhere with my nepal cube gtx. Love them❤
The best pair of boots are the ones that fit you and do the job. Simple. I have only used my B2's in winter with crampons. Always go with my AKU high leg Pilgrims when scrambling otherwise. Each to their own I say. Always enjoy your vids, good stuff feller.
I favour a stiff-soled walking shoe over traditional boots, you get more-or-less the same benefit as a three-season boot but it's less weight to carry on the feet. Less ankle support, but I find I have a surer footing when my ankle can flex more. Having said that I did take my first fall in years the other day, luckily just a slide down a muddy hill. It made me reconsider my reticence to carry poles more than it did my choice of footwear!
La sportiva trango tech gtx are a great all season boot! I live in Spain and the winters aren't too extreme, the boots allow crampons too!
Good to know!
They're bomber! With some nice socks they kept me warm on Mount Washington in the winter.
I add to that saying I love my trango techs. I live in Seattle, and regularly climb in the Cascade Mountains, so we have year round ice and snow in the mountains requiring mountaineering boots. But as a pretty wet area, we also have a lot of boggy, wet, and soggy terrain in lowlands on approach. The trango techs are my most used footwear. I recommend the leather version. I have found the synthetic upper version to be lacking in durability, wearing through a pair in a single year.
New sub. Good advice! I've just bought some Scarpa 3 season boots for hiking in the Peak District. Pretty stiff soul although not Trango level stiff. I do love my Merrell Moab 2 Vents for comfort but not a fan of walking in my own portable puddle for that long.
Cheers!
Very nice, thanks!
Great help 👍
I do that a lot. The stiffer sole actually lengthens my stride almost 3". Makes a big difference when I am trying to cover a lot of country.
Hiii, thank you for such a great video, i really love that finally someone knows difference between hiking in bogs and rocks and not just talking about brands. New subs, will have to check rest videos. I would like to ask you for advice please. Im doing all kind of hikes, multiday long distance which combined coasts, scramble, apline, bogs. Im heavy packer self-catering wildcamper. Until now i used hiking boots with high support of ankle due to my bad flat feets and although people using trainers for long distance hikes I find lots of disadvantage of it like - wet feet, weak support of heavy load on body, scrambling is hard amd rocks slippery etc. This year im considering buy mountaineering boots, as they lighters and have better tractions on rocks, like you said they more solid so on rocks lets say in Dolomites will be much better then hiking boots. But stifftness of boot can cause problem on section when flat gravelled road. So I have really dilemma. Does people use mountaineering boots for long distance hikes, do you think is good idea? Thank you so much for your help advanced. You seems to have lots of knowledge and asking on groups on social media feels to me like I wont get right answer. Lucy
I’ve used Meindl Super Cracks all year round for a number of years, completely wore out the first pair
It's great when you find a pair that works for you :)
Hey, this is you from the future praising TX4's Mid GTX, the perfect in-between boot 😋
Going on trips on the highway to the top :)), you can wear even flip flops :)).....
But if you're going on a gorge, or on rocks and through a riverbed and cascade, where you need a proper boot, with support and a riggid heel and sole.
Better wearing something heavier and with more support than crying your heart out that your feet hurt from pounding them on rocks.
Best video on this kind of topic
Very kind!
Does anybody take a pair of rock climbing shoes to swap into when on rocky climbs or nearby rock formations like in peak District?
I got super lightweight Altra shoes for summer,but just got a pair of la sportiva Nepal's for those winter hikes(which I've never done,lol),couldn't resist at £175
Hi Jez, I'm really enjoying the videos. What do you think about the risk of injury like a sprained ankle wearing trainers? I have a pair of Solomon boots which feel like trainers yet are Gore-tex. Also, any ideas how to recycle boots?
I've read a few different bits of research and there seems to be pretty minimal gains from boots in terms of sprain prevention, unless we're talking stiff as ski boot type things. It feels like it's a worthwhile consideration, but it's not something I particularly worry about personally. I've not seen any recycling options for knackered footwear, other than people suggesting making them in to plant pots, but I don't really want a load of old boots in my garden...!
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Thanks Jez.
I'm sure the Adidas terrex are available again mate, I keep seeing them on Facebook adverts that pop up 👍.. I'm just looking at some La Sportive Nepal Trek evo Gtx as an all rounder, I like the support around the ankles, this model is obviously not quite as still as the Yellow Nepal's that are popular with many ..
For all round use ... 👍
Have a look at the la sportiva TX guide. Its got a hybrid sole like the addidas ones!
I think they're next on the list when I need some approach shoes!
I use Dynafit speed mtn gtx. Maybe you give them a try. Personally, love them. Light, gore-tex, super grip, for me, perfect in summer.
Cheers, I'll check 'em out!
Been wearing Lowa combat boots ever since they were recommended to me. Traditional leather but goretex lined.
Flexible vibram sole.
Scrambled almost everything Steve Ashtons guide (12 routes left), soloed a few routes up to Vdiff and did the 15 peaks in them. Never had a problem at all. No blisters either.
They're pricy for what they are but I love them.
I find doing any significant distance in B1-B2 on winter walk ins I feel like I'm injuring my shins. Maybe its a stance/gait issue. Like I don't know how to walk in them. Unless needing crampons I stick to my floppy Lowa clodhoppers.
Do you think it could be a walking style issue? Do you find yourself using a significantly different gait in B2s? I dont do huge amounts of winter stuff.
I just bought a pair of new Scarpa Asolo. They are sort of vintage boots,solid leather and very hard sole. Comfortable but very heavy same time,1.2kg each boot. Do you think they might be to heavy for today’s standards? Thanks
Jez, have you tried the La Sportiva Boulder X approach shoes? I've got a pair and they're ace 👌
Years ago, possibly when they first came out! I do really like them, they're a bit over cushioned for me compared to the Adidas ones, although maybe I'll try them again now the Adidas ones aren't available.
@@JBMountainSkills The TX may be better for you then.
Those five-ten are my go to hiking shoes. What do you not like about them?
Any stiff technical boot for extra wide foot?
Hi I broke my ankle ligament few days back, grade 3 tear. Can you suggest me a mountaineering boots with good ankle support. I would ask my friend in US to get it for me.
I was training for some 6000m+ expedition here in ladakh when I got injured. Will resume my training after i recover
I had a pair of those terrex approach shoes (except mine had the fully stealth sole that I wore so thin that it basically fell off) I absolutely loved them! Have you tried the sportiva approach shoes? A direct replacement would probably be the TX2, although I went for the harder wearing slightly stiffer TX4 because i moved to Scotland and the walk ins here are insane. I reckon my TX4s climb just as well as my terrex shoes did but the rubber is lasting longer so far, and the wet grip on them is like night and day. Best footware purchase I’ve ever made I think. You should look them up. The TX2s are supposed to climb even better than the 4s although I don’t see how that is possible in an approach shoe
I haven't tried them so cheers for the info, I'll check 'em out!
@@JBMountainSkills So I don’t know if they’re the same ones but I recently bought a pair of the Adidas Terrex Swift Solo approach shoes and find they’re awesome. I wear them all day working at the climbing wall plus I climb in them for easy ropes and bouldering so while I haven’t worn them outdoors yet, I think they’d still be pretty good
Nice one Jez! Unfortunately I have had a few ankle injuries over the years so I can’t really use trainers in the hills. Have a pair of La Sportiva mid cut approach boots which I hope are going to give me a lighter weight type of foot ware.
I do like the look of those kind of boots, I've often been tempted!
I'm going to K2 base camp which shoes do u recommend .....la sportiva Nepal Evo gtx, la sportiva karakorum, mammut nordward knit trango ice cubes or trango gtx extreme ?
Not been I'm afraid, sorry!
All depends on what you are doing with it, where you are hiking and how fit you are (muscle-wise).
When i'll see the kind of a person carrying 50-60lb pack in approach shoes, ill beg him on my knees to learn me that kind of ninja skills. So far, i dont mind stiff boots with c2 crampons compatibility for trekking, just because it's a safety gear for me, i'm between 200 and 220lb, i dont want to get stuck in the middle of Tajikistan with a sprain ankle. I tried hybrid boots like La Sportiva TX-4 mid, and didnt like them at all, sold em slightly used and went back to Bestard Nepal Pro.
I really loved you mentioning of making your own ledges in a mud or a scree just like in a snow.
Half the battle is finding what works for you and it sounds like you have!
Depends heavily on the terrain and the duration of use of the shoes, but IMO everyone should train to walk barefoot/semi barefoot to strengthen their feet. a few years back i was all about big heavy rigid boots, because i was taught from a young age that it's the only way to navigate a rocky terrain(Old school dad) but i always liked taking them of because they just made me feel like i've got hooves instead of feet, then i started experimenting around with barefoot walking, and it's a treat for your feet/ankle strength, which makes your walks in boots quite a bit more enjoyable and easier!
@@Varilpsa i train 5 times a week. 3 stregth\conditioning, 1 climbing jym, 1 balance\tech mostly using c3 crampon boots, just so i dont get rusty. Boots are the only way to navigate rocky terrain with backpack, and i've seen enough heli evaqs to back that statement, even before hypothermia, afternoon storm or glacier walking come into play.
@@mezmerya5130 yah, ive been on a similar cycle since who knows. Gym does absolutely nothing when it comes to feet and ankles, except calf raises, but you still get better stimulation from just running, or walking completely barefoot for a bit. climbing depends on the climbing shoe you use, if you downsize, and wear stiffer shoes, then you are back at having a hoof instead of a foot. as i said it highliy depends on the terrain and length of the use of the boot. I can do a full weekend of hiking/scrambling in alpine terrain in minimalist shoes without a problem, if the weather allows, but if i'm up to hiking for more than 3, i take boots, as the foot gets worked quite a lot in minimalist shoes. Side note, what the hell is balance/tech training?
what do you think about La Sportiva Trango TRK ? are they good all arounder?
Not used them I'm afraid. They look good, I just normally prefer something a bit softer myself.
I also like stiff boots weather is summer or winter. Do you prefer synthetic over leather boots?
Personally prefer synthetic, often a bit quicker drying and whilst I’m not vegetarian I do like to reduce my use of animal products where I feel I can.
You might be interested in the la sportiva TX guide
They look good!
Is that a Yamaha guitar case in your loft?
It's Frida :)
Just found this and I always wear boots, live and hike in Scotland. Currently working my way through the munros and wear meindl bhutans which I love but iv been looking at a pair of scarpa ribelle tech 2.0 hd boots. Thinking they could be a great all rounder as I occasionally wear grivel crampons in snow with my bhutans. Was wondering what you thought about the scarpas? Fab vid, thanks mate
Hi there, i tried the Scarpa Ribelle and found them way too stiff and narrow for my feet. Currently using La Sportiva Karakorum for alpine stuff in Chamonix this summer.
I am looking at La sportiva TX5 mid.... I need something for 6 hours rock scree and then descenting on wet grass and bogs idk .... I cannot find the middle ground summer shoe for this type I've worn something massive as those but I just want not to but I need grip and stability idk .... ffs Ive done miles and my legs are strong like Im strong but fed up summer time I dont want to wear heavy boots I want to enjoy hahah Maybe it is in my head idk Good video thanks anyway makes me think
I've not used the TX5s but have had lots of people using them on courses and they seem a good boot. Better tread than a lot of stuff for wet grass etc.
How do the stiff boots work where you have to walk miles of trail to get to the steeper stuff? I am an elk hunter in ID and need good boots in the steep stuff, but also find myself walking trails at times.
Soft goretex hiking boots are definately cheaper than stiff la sportiva mountaineering boots. I personally do a lot of hiking in the english fells with trail shoes or hiking boots if its wet. I wouldnt dream of wearing stiff mountaineering boots simply for wet weather. Winter mountaineering/ crampon use only in my opinion.
In my experience as a broke student searching for soft but high quality hiking boots; it's a lot more difficult to find all rounders in sale or at cheaper prices. I think it's because everybody wants them, so the demand is a lot higher. And if someone doesn't do alpinism or more difficult things, they usually don't quite know every feature and can be more easily sold lesser quality for higher prices, because it's mostly just people wanting to get out there who aren't geeking over outdoor stuff.
I searched a lot, and could only find at best mediocre quality for prices I can't justify, if I spend close to 100 I want it to be the best thing possible because of my financial situation and geekiness😂
That's why I'm super happy to go on hikes with my pair of Trango Tower Extreme I found in sale for 90 euros.
It may be the reason for some, to wear something that may seem overkill.
But if I would be financially more comfortable I would invest in something less stiff, as it's better for the bones and spine.
Sportiva TX2
I have scarpa Ribelle techs I hoped they’d be perfect but they suck. Not even water resistant in damp grass.
Sadly I've heard the same thing about them, shame 'cos they look ace.
@@JBMountainSkills Yeah they do that’s why I bought them - really very disappointed and Scarpa couldn’t care less
Weird. I’ve got a pair of Ribelle Lites and you can stand ankle deep in a stream in them no problem
@@bikescience1 weird indeed I couldn’t hate these overpriced boots more
@@user-nw2si7hu3u Thanks for the warning. Will steer clear of them.
The element of role modelling is important. Groups look at you and if your in lightweight boots or trainers they will be up a hill in the wrong conditions in the wrong kit.
Interesting point, but really I don’t think there’s anything wrong with lightweight boots or approach shoes.
I personally really DONT LIKE stiff boots on the approach terrain. Both up and down feels terrible. I do however enjoy stiff boots while walking on glaciers (La Sportiva Cube GTX) and obviously during vertical iceclimbing (La Sportiva Nepal). Whenever you need to kick your way out, the stiff boot is great but when its a technical approach on wet stones and roots, its a disaster. Wet, technical, mixed terrain is best with a classic soft shoes, in my opinion. Or even better, jogging terrain shoes, when its not wet or dumped.
Adidas are missing out on a lotvof sales by not making those terex trainers anymore 🤷♂️
look at Inov8's but i'm sure you've figured that out by now
Used to use them when I was in to trail running.
Any thoughts on barefoot shoes? 😄
My feet are too wimpy...!
As I've gotten older I have started to need stiffer boots for even just hiking, so much easier on my feet, and yes it's tough to find a good light one. Good video, but mate 12 mins to make one small point, too long.
I know what I'm in for with JB I'm here for the long winded banter personally ;)
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Peace be upon you.. I want one of these shoes. I am now going to the Republic of Syria, and there is snow there.. Don't you want to donate one of these shoes? Thank you very much.
Always find it funny whem English people get kitted out for climbing the Alps when theyre mostly rambling in the cotswalds. Rigid boots are designed for crampons , doing long summer hikes in them ruin yer feet.