SCAM 2022 Honda Pioneer Deluxe package! Deluxe vs Trail and walk around

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  • Опубліковано 20 жов 2024

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  • @jpatt5054
    @jpatt5054 Рік тому +1

    I found your channel last night while hunting for videos on UA-cam about the P1K for my first side.by side. You sold me on the pioneer base model and on the Honda in general. Thank you for the videos on the pioneer. Love the channel.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому

      For anyone else that sees this comment he is referring to the water pump weep hole line I always just plug these on new machines you can also snorkel them if you want an indicator for if your water pump starts leaking

  • @aaronshorter864
    @aaronshorter864 Рік тому +2

    Deluxe also gets you electric power steering and the paddle shifting.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +2

      Wrong why do people keep commenting this it's clearly documented on the Honda website that every 1000 has electric power steering and paddle shifters. I think you guys are looking at an older model or the Pioneer 700 Maybe

  • @frootz1013
    @frootz1013 6 місяців тому +1

    Wow- thx for that! Hilariously brutal. Base model it is.
    Keep ‘em coming

  • @AppalachianMountainRiders
    @AppalachianMountainRiders 2 роки тому +3

    Walker Evans shocks made a big difference in how my Pioneer 1000-5 rode. I also jumped it frequently and it took it, no problem!

  • @jonathontautant960
    @jonathontautant960 2 роки тому +4

    Why would you buy something that you only have complaints about. You can whine about it all you want but in the end it's your own damn fault. You don't wanna wait for a base. That's your fault.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +1

      I get paid to review shit genius. Lol i love the machine but the deluxe package is a joke.

  • @dylanhoel1636
    @dylanhoel1636 2 роки тому +7

    Doing the math 1600 for wheels, some plastics, and a couple switches and a slightly different shock design isnt awful. Polaris or can am would charge 2k minimum for the same thing

    • @kathygoodman2628
      @kathygoodman2628 2 роки тому +4

      No they wouldn't. The quality on them is much better. We sold our junk pioneer and bought a ranger. Problem solved.

    • @dylanhoel1636
      @dylanhoel1636 2 роки тому +1

      @@kathygoodman2628 lmao. I have 2 can ams and a ranger. They definitely charge more for dumb stuff

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +11

      Rangers are crap lol

    • @kathygoodman2628
      @kathygoodman2628 2 роки тому +2

      @@MudPuppyOffroad crap that would pull that honda in half.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +7

      @@kathygoodman2628 lol sure man enjoy your mexican scooter

  • @RK-nr8qf
    @RK-nr8qf Рік тому +1

    I have a 2017. The door panels on the older deluxes
    are bolted on. Great bikes!!!

    • @ve3xtr
      @ve3xtr Рік тому +1

      By going from bolts to push pins, its called cost cutting.

  • @scottritchey7492
    @scottritchey7492 Рік тому +1

    The way I see it, the main difference between the base and deluxe models is power steering in deluxe, is others mentioned much further down this list

  • @ImDanimal85
    @ImDanimal85 Рік тому +1

    Biggest thing for me was look at the price of wheels to upgrade ur steel base model wheels ur halfway to 1600 in that alone then the self leveling suspension gets u to that 1600 mark the rest is just extra even tho i do like the cubby holes in the interior too.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      These wheels aren't be locks so they're useless to me also if you're paying that much for Wheels you're not shopping around very well I can get beadlocks for $150 a piece

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Those little cubby holes are obnoxious anything you put there will fly out and they just get full of mud I'm going to rip mine off soon

  • @ve3xtr
    @ve3xtr Рік тому +1

    Up grading is usually a profit maker for the manufacturer.

  • @danharris5873
    @danharris5873 Рік тому +2

    I definitely wouldn't have accepted the machine the way it was! I would have the Steeler ship order you new doors! And showing them all the things that weren't right with the fit and finish! Honda used to be one of the best but none of the manufacturers care anymore!

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +4

      I prefer dealerships to touch my machine as little as possible they generally make things worse overall

  • @scottburns5049
    @scottburns5049 Рік тому +1

    Wheels storage plastic door skins adjustable shocks what do you want for 1600.00

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Maybe one single upgrade I would have paid for with my own money lol

  • @dunnkruger8825
    @dunnkruger8825 2 роки тому

    Expected from Polaris
    Not Honda
    Can’t mnfr but a few
    What happens?
    Quality goes way down
    If they can sell, at stealership price gouging,
    what few they build
    Why bother with close build tolerances?
    Blame the workers?
    Are USA cars headed same way?

  • @owensbros.4445
    @owensbros.4445 2 роки тому +2

    Order some Kawasaki plastic rivets they’re a little bigger

  • @adamton7274
    @adamton7274 11 місяців тому

    Can I purchase the front cargo nets for the base model

  • @ExpeditionaryRanger
    @ExpeditionaryRanger 2 роки тому +2

    Just wondering why you didn't order an RMAX, or was this already ordered? RMAX probably harder to make watertight of course... but it seems inevitable that you will end up with one... either you get tired of stuff in just days, or are taking a lot of joy in the different bike projects, not sure!

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +1

      This has been on order for months. RMAX is epic BUT super loud and cant snorkel it without destroying belt flow... of couse i love shifting gears.

  • @waylondoering7223
    @waylondoering7223 2 роки тому

    Nice ride i have the base, best choice I ever made coming off a ranger, also have 2 300s and a recon ride red brother

  • @dylanjohnson6361
    @dylanjohnson6361 2 роки тому +2

    Doesn’t the deluxe have power steering and the base doesnt or have they changed that

    • @carsoncelmer5747
      @carsoncelmer5747 2 роки тому

      we have a base and it has power steering

    • @parkermckowen3781
      @parkermckowen3781 2 роки тому

      This used to be the case. Also the deluxe has good headlights which seems to not be the case anymore

    • @raymonddurkin
      @raymonddurkin Рік тому

      @@carsoncelmer5747 on Hondas website the base doesn’t have power steering.

  • @jasonfoster8862
    @jasonfoster8862 2 роки тому +1

    Do the 22’s not have the piece of rubber under the front seat? I have a 20 and I would like to find a heat shield. My seat and cab gets hot with the doors closed

  • @motofarmmx2430
    @motofarmmx2430 2 роки тому +3

    But yet you talk crap on other brands about how cheaply made they are.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      The RMAX was great. The p1k cheapness in right on par with its price relativley speaking

  • @davidharlow7320
    @davidharlow7320 10 місяців тому

    Seems like you have broken push in clips. Replace the clips. They break very easily.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  10 місяців тому

      Thanks David, you're clearly an expert lol The pins are not broken on my 2023. These pins don't actually break. They wear out after a lot of miles. The holes are just drilled too big. It's very obvious.

  • @raymonddurkin
    @raymonddurkin Рік тому

    The 23’ 700 & 700-4 base shows no power steering on Honda’s website.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому

      I have no idea why they still make the 700

    • @raymonddurkin
      @raymonddurkin Рік тому

      @@MudPuppyOffroad I’m in that space. I want a toy but the extra $3,600 for the 22’ 1000cc is a bit much.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      @@raymonddurkin the 700 is not a toy it works okay as a golf cart or around the farm but don't expect to be mudding it

    • @raymonddurkin
      @raymonddurkin Рік тому +1

      @@MudPuppyOffroad I put a deposit down on a soon to arrive 1000-3 base. I was on the fence about the 700 but your videos convinced me to go with the 1000. Thanks!

  • @ferddoes1498
    @ferddoes1498 2 роки тому +2

    The build quality has gone down across the board not just in Hondas but with every manufacture from trucks and Suv's to SXS and Atv's

  • @PondstompingAdventures
    @PondstompingAdventures Рік тому

    What is your thoughts on a yamaha 850 wolverine?

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      I owned one there's a lot of videos on the channel about it try the search feature. Pretty good for a hunting buggy for trails but extremely hard to snorkel and the four-seater tips over pretty easy

    • @PondstompingAdventures
      @PondstompingAdventures Рік тому

      @@MudPuppyOffroad thanks for the insight and info

  • @adurrence1
    @adurrence1 2 роки тому +7

    Or you could just read and look at it before buying it or stop crying and spend more money for a better one

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +4

      That is an impressively bad run-on sentence.

  • @07kdjohnson1
    @07kdjohnson1 Рік тому

    Doesn’t it get you EPS? It does in the 700

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Like I've said a few times in the comments on this video every 1000 has power steering

    • @07kdjohnson1
      @07kdjohnson1 Рік тому

      @@MudPuppyOffroad my bad. I didn’t read all the comments or research the 1000 lineup. Makes sense.

  • @tylerjames9101
    @tylerjames9101 2 роки тому

    You going to throw the 6” portals on it or leave it stock?

  • @Suzukey--z
    @Suzukey--z 2 роки тому +1

    Your definitely onto something. 👍👍👍. Wonder if Honda sees this somehow?

  • @curtclausen4263
    @curtclausen4263 Рік тому +1

    With all the winning your doing maybe you should of bought a different brand.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому

      I am a winner thank you! Next time check your spelling before attempting a mediocre roast Curt

    • @curtclausen4263
      @curtclausen4263 Рік тому +2

      @@MudPuppyOffroad Wasn't trying to roast at all. Just making a point. 😢

  • @joshcastleman6054
    @joshcastleman6054 2 роки тому

    This is off topic, but could you do a quick video on the gearing of the Yamaha Big Bear 400 vs Honda Rancher 420?

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Big Bear is better until you consider that you can easily put a gear reduction in the 420

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Big bear is 60:1 crawl ratio rancher 420 foot shift is 46.5:1. Racher makes more power though

    • @joshcastleman6054
      @joshcastleman6054 2 роки тому

      @@MudPuppyOffroad Thank you. I haven’t been able to find the ratios. But you’re definitely right because I can’t find anyone that makes a gear reduction for my big bear. I got a big bore kit but it doesn’t seem like it is enough. Is the ratio you gave for a Big Bear 400 foot shift?

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      @@joshcastleman6054 yes

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Actually that's a good point I need to double check it

  • @yazoomud88
    @yazoomud88 2 роки тому

    Do you think the p520 is worth its price?

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Yes if you have smooth trails

    • @yazoomud88
      @yazoomud88 2 роки тому

      @@MudPuppyOffroad I'm going to do long arm and portals with walker Evan shocks

  • @C-141B_FE
    @C-141B_FE Рік тому

    @3:37 Supposed I'd be ok with the term "noob", instead I guess I'm considered an "idiot". Well I'd be an idiot for subscribing to your channel, think about folks that gotta start somewhere dude.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      No idea what you're talking about and don't care you seem like a snowflake get out of here

  • @larrygaal4808
    @larrygaal4808 Рік тому +1

    made in the USA (SC) quality

  • @dan43213
    @dan43213 Рік тому

    Just buy bigger pop rivets. Not rocket science

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Go spend 20K on a machine and then see if you're happy about stuff falling off get the f*** out of here

  • @unclebilly1353
    @unclebilly1353 2 роки тому

    Thats to bad . They lost a sale with me with a pioneer. The can't live on a old reputation forever. Ended up with a can am. Good luck with your machine.

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      The 2022 Pioneer is excellent and I love it they addressed all the major problems from 2021 in previous you just have to remember that it's a much cheaper side by side than say in armax so yes they're going to cut Corners with things that don't really matter offroad like fit and finish

  • @506SXS
    @506SXS 2 роки тому +1

    Hey buddy love the videos I have a 2022 Honda Pioneer 1000-5 Forest and again it has a few differences from what you are showing. I have the front full bumper and my shocks do not have adjustable in the front but the rear is suppose to be self leveling . The trail also comes with a rear view mirror i noticed you didn't point it out. Wish I had the front locker over the i4wd. Lots of vids on my channel of it check me out drop me a comment .

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah the three seater just gets adjustable Rears

    • @506SXS
      @506SXS 2 роки тому +1

      @@MudPuppyOffroad big fan buddy I like your honda videos!!!!

  • @Synic08
    @Synic08 Рік тому

    Get bigger clips.

  • @bigseff23
    @bigseff23 2 роки тому

    We got rid of our pioneer for a Teryx4. Our Kawasaki's fit and finish is much better than our Honda was

    • @danharris5873
      @danharris5873 Рік тому

      Yeah but when you got to replace the belt you got to take out the whole damn fuel tank tired of cvts

    • @bigseff23
      @bigseff23 Рік тому

      @@danharris5873 lol true but it's honestly not that bad, only takes about an hour and a half from start to finish if you know what you're doing and you got an impact

    • @gnd111
      @gnd111 Рік тому

      They fix the fuel and stall issues on the Kawis yet?

    • @Dmax04
      @Dmax04 Рік тому

      Not to mention how damn noisy they are. I don't like the cvt transmissions.

  • @bmcountrycontent9543
    @bmcountrycontent9543 2 роки тому

    Typically Honda stuff Can am all the way

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Oh don't get me started the 2022 Commander I rented was significantly worse fit and finish not to mention crap suspension noises terrible front differential and ridiculous ergonomics

    • @MudPuppyOffroad
      @MudPuppyOffroad  2 роки тому

      Oh don't get me started the 2022 Commander I rented was significantly worse fit and finish not to mention crap suspension noises terrible front differential and ridiculous ergonomics

  • @TheTacticalHouse
    @TheTacticalHouse 7 місяців тому

    This guy is so annoying.

  • @tyleradams6002
    @tyleradams6002 2 роки тому

    BASE MODEL×FTW

  • @jessieestock9142
    @jessieestock9142 2 роки тому

    Diff lock ENGAGE!!!!!!!
    Gtfo my way