A hammer fist absorbs inpact better. A knife hand hurts the fingers even when you're striking with the correct part. The shock wave just travels through the hand and into the fingertips. You're nice and protected with a hammer fist. I'm agreeing with the idea that the shuto is more for framing than for striking.
I like a straight knife hand to the throat , in place of a C strike/web hand . More of a thrust than a chop I guess . It has less chance of hitting the chin by mistake and you don't have to bring your elbow in to throw it so it's really fast from a relaxed position . I honestly can remember where I learned it , and if I have ever seen anybody else do it but I'm sure it's fairly common . I also never practiced hitting with the fingers at all , or even holding them together . Just the edge of the palm . So maybe I'm NOT throwing a knife hand by definition at all.
Take this comment with a dose of salt cos I've been in around 30 serious fights (I'm 54) and never used it, even though training in it. However, I feel tension in the arm is different (more stretched and extended feeling in the arm). I feel that, cos fights a scappy, benefit is that if strike is weak or has little effect, you can continue with a grab/throw. Certainly if I had the back of the neck exposed, I'd strike down with knife hand (fits back of neck better than a hammer fist). But anyway, mostly I'd still agree with you.
that’s a really good point especially in certain scenarios you would probably want that knife hand strike. A easier faster execution with the same amount of power.
The tension of the arm in the fist is different than with the knifehand. The knifehand can get riugh narrower gaps. Also, you are not supposed to be the knifehand without grabbing. That's what the hand at the waist is for. ua-cam.com/video/pLHsAPOnsSU/v-deo.htmlsi=6rX1nHWIaqi2H1gC&t=151 See the application of knifehand in that video. You are not supposed to just throw your hand out. The crossing of the arms used in knifehand is a block. You can block withh the hand that is going to sdtrike and then grab and pull with the other hand and take the other guy off balance whilst you strike his neck. Or you can block with the non-striking arm and elbow with the crossed striking arm and then do a knifehand to the back of the neck. The neck is not a hard target you do not need to apply the most powerful strike in the world. Just something that is fast and smooth and easily deployed. You would not see the knifehand in UFC because (a) open hand techniques are illegal. You won't see palm strikes either for the same reason. And (b) because most people don't understand knifehand and think it's done by just flicking out your hand. Nope. Grabbing is involved too.
I have use the open hand to the neck, in 2 street fights. It was very effective, because the attacker didn't expected it. Thats because in a fight its usually closed fist. The knife hand Strike saved my ass.
Yeah, the unexpected strike or kick is always a good thing to have in your tool belt and I’ve came to the conclusion if you are going to target the neck and that’s everyone’s preference the knife hand can get in there quick hard and fast. And I’m glad to hear that it is effective.
The knife hand is a totally different strike than the hammer fist. The bone alignment, the tension of the muscles, and how the padding in the hand gets shaped or parts of the bone are more or less exposed is totally different. While this makes hammer fist probably a safer strike to use in most situations, it is also slower and less versatile than knife-hand. Bending the wrist or keeping it straight changes knife hand more. Is your priority to hurt your opponent or to protect your own body? I think it's situational as it is with any strikes in any fight. I also have the theory that a lot of strikes in traditional martial arts were meant to symbolize what were originally throws or strikes with certain weapons but if weapons were banned, or unavailable, or they simply wanted to practice more safely they modified the moves to empty hand strikes. I'm no true expert though. These are just my thoughts.
I've seen one video of a karate expert knocking an attacker out with a single knife hand strike to the side of the neck. So maybe having the fingers extended helped visually guide the strike. But I never ever saw it used any other time. And if you try to strike that way & your opponent moves out of position, you're of course asking to have your fingers broken. And like you said, no MMA guy uses it, never. So, I would dump it & just go with hammer-fist. In TKD also part of our forms was this "spear-hand" thing. I think that's only a fantasy move, & that you'd only be hurting yourself in any altercation or position.
Yea I never even thought about the object moving out of the way that’s a really good point yeah the spear hand is a odd one as well. I do know back in the early 2000s when competition breaks were pretty popular. There was a guy that would break through a door with a spear hand. I always thought of it as just giving us different options with these different moves
You can use fingertip thrusts as pushes. For example, fingertip thrust to the body can be applied as a push to the face or chest or hip. There you are holding one hand and making sure the guy can't hit you with the other hand. Some people do have really strong fingers and can do more with them. I don't so I would not be striking anyone with them. If I used them it'd be at the end of a palm strike or a slap or a push. It'd be like my hand is on your face...so.. now let's see what my fingers can get themselves into. Hurting someone by sticking your fingers into their eyes or throat doesn't demand much strength.
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A hammer fist absorbs inpact better. A knife hand hurts the fingers even when you're striking with the correct part. The shock wave just travels through the hand and into the fingertips. You're nice and protected with a hammer fist.
I'm agreeing with the idea that the shuto is more for framing than for striking.
I have seen other channels exploring the idea of using knife hand or open hand techniques for grabbing or for using them as frames.
I like a straight knife hand to the throat , in place of a C strike/web hand . More of a thrust than a chop I guess . It has less chance of hitting the chin by mistake and you don't have to bring your elbow in to throw it so it's really fast from a relaxed position . I honestly can remember where I learned it , and if I have ever seen anybody else do it but I'm sure it's fairly common . I also never practiced hitting with the fingers at all , or even holding them together . Just the edge of the palm . So maybe I'm NOT throwing a knife hand by definition at all.
Take this comment with a dose of salt cos I've been in around 30 serious fights (I'm 54) and never used it, even though training in it. However, I feel tension in the arm is different (more stretched and extended feeling in the arm). I feel that, cos fights a scappy, benefit is that if strike is weak or has little effect, you can continue with a grab/throw. Certainly if I had the back of the neck exposed, I'd strike down with knife hand (fits back of neck better than a hammer fist). But anyway, mostly I'd still agree with you.
that’s a really good point especially in certain scenarios you would probably want that knife hand strike. A easier faster execution with the same amount of power.
The tension of the arm in the fist is different than with the knifehand. The knifehand can get riugh narrower gaps. Also, you are not supposed to be the knifehand without grabbing. That's what the hand at the waist is for. ua-cam.com/video/pLHsAPOnsSU/v-deo.htmlsi=6rX1nHWIaqi2H1gC&t=151 See the application of knifehand in that video.
You are not supposed to just throw your hand out.
The crossing of the arms used in knifehand is a block. You can block withh the hand that is going to sdtrike and then grab and pull with the other hand and take the other guy off balance whilst you strike his neck. Or you can block with the non-striking arm and elbow with the crossed striking arm and then do a knifehand to the back of the neck.
The neck is not a hard target you do not need to apply the most powerful strike in the world. Just something that is fast and smooth and easily deployed.
You would not see the knifehand in UFC because (a) open hand techniques are illegal. You won't see palm strikes either for the same reason. And (b) because most people don't understand knifehand and think it's done by just flicking out your hand. Nope. Grabbing is involved too.
I have use the open hand to the neck, in 2 street fights. It was very effective, because the attacker didn't expected it. Thats because
in a fight its usually closed fist. The knife hand Strike saved my ass.
Yeah, the unexpected strike or kick is always a good thing to have in your tool belt and I’ve came to the conclusion if you are going to target the neck and that’s everyone’s preference the knife hand can get in there quick hard and fast. And I’m glad to hear that it is effective.
The knife hand is a totally different strike than the hammer fist. The bone alignment, the tension of the muscles, and how the padding in the hand gets shaped or parts of the bone are more or less exposed is totally different. While this makes hammer fist probably a safer strike to use in most situations, it is also slower and less versatile than knife-hand. Bending the wrist or keeping it straight changes knife hand more.
Is your priority to hurt your opponent or to protect your own body? I think it's situational as it is with any strikes in any fight. I also have the theory that a lot of strikes in traditional martial arts were meant to symbolize what were originally throws or strikes with certain weapons but if weapons were banned, or unavailable, or they simply wanted to practice more safely they modified the moves to empty hand strikes. I'm no true expert though. These are just my thoughts.
I like the outside of the box and have conversations about techniques and moves. It makes a well rounded martial artist.
I've seen one video of a karate expert knocking an attacker out with a single knife hand strike to the side of the neck. So maybe having the fingers extended helped visually guide the strike. But I never ever saw it used any other time. And if you try to strike that way & your opponent moves out of position, you're of course asking to have your fingers broken. And like you said, no MMA guy uses it, never. So, I would dump it & just go with hammer-fist. In TKD also part of our forms was this "spear-hand" thing. I think that's only a fantasy move, & that you'd only be hurting yourself in any altercation or position.
Yea I never even thought about the object moving out of the way that’s a really good point yeah the spear hand is a odd one as well. I do know back in the early 2000s when competition breaks were pretty popular. There was a guy that would break through a door with a spear hand.
I always thought of it as just giving us different options with these different moves
You can use fingertip thrusts as pushes. For example, fingertip thrust to the body can be applied as a push to the face or chest or hip. There you are holding one hand and making sure the guy can't hit you with the other hand. Some people do have really strong fingers and can do more with them. I don't so I would not be striking anyone with them. If I used them it'd be at the end of a palm strike or a slap or a push. It'd be like my hand is on your face...so.. now let's see what my fingers can get themselves into. Hurting someone by sticking your fingers into their eyes or throat doesn't demand much strength.
@ yea that I agree with you 100% I do really like the fingertip strike for the eyes and soft parts of the body
@@MrTKD123 Yep, the same video gives a good example of using the fingers. ua-cam.com/video/pLHsAPOnsSU/v-deo.htmlsi=icdDBnOjW4uv287P&t=474
@ yeah very practical and the moves make sense. It flows very naturally.