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So as per you the genius Vegan before rescuing a human ask him whether he is a non veg or veg, if the human is veg save him if he is non veg leave him to die, perfect teaching by genius vegan like you. We need more people like you. You should be given an Award for this.😂 Don't you think?
Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they need nutrients found in meat. While vegan cat food exists, it doesn't change their biological needs. Many vets warn that a vegan diet can cause serious health issues for cats.
My sister has two dogs from shelter and three cats from road side. She feeds vegan food i.e sweet potatoes and other vegan food to her pets.. So well you said.
Students asked brilliant question -- The last question on predator Vs pray was brilliant -- The logical answer was out of the world -- Simply great conversation -- This type of heathy discssion enhances our ability to understand each other -- Thanks a lot
@@gwen04414 how is it complicated ? ( i think it can be summed up in 1 simple sentence - being as non violent as possible with time and understanding )
@@GirlCanGameYtI am glad you didn't forget to add the as possible phrase. 'As possible' is the bit which makes it complicated to arrive at what decision to take.
@@DragonBooster This is a very good counter questions..and it shows the complexities inside the simplicity and simplicity inside complexities..this is mind boggling..But depends on you what your perspective is..i thought of some examples to simplify.. Take our everyday life When you wake up , there can be 10 different ways to wake up, you chose a way depending on you past something which is as easy for you to follow as POSSIBLE. There must be a best way or better way but you chose what was best according to you. Its subjective thats why 'as possiblte' comes ..Waking is objective but the way of waking is subjective. You brush tour teeth..there can be 10 different ways to brush teeth..but you chose for yourself as convinient as possible but also making sure that it is helpfull in a bigger perspective. When you are doing the above 2 activities do you anyway feel them to complicated? I hope No because we do it everyday , its in our subconscious. There may be a better way..if that way comes infront of us we will chose and opt for it according to our intellect and convinience. Likewise Veganism. There will always be a better way to do it. But we also need to see the fact that we are product of our past choices. We cant entirely change the present on the choices we make for the future. You cant entirely become a pure vegan because if you do that you have to sacrifice everything and go live in a jungle. You cant do that But you can definitely start keeping a Macroperspectuve which is a good start that is by not contributing to a direct violene i.e eating meat and consuming dairy Then as you go ahead with life you can choose more micro ways of veganism as possible by you according to you.Its your choice
@@GirlCanGameYtYour argument compares veganism to everyday activities like brushing teeth to show simplicity, but this comparison is flawed. Brushing teeth has no moral or ethical weight-it’s just a neutral habit. Veganism, on the other hand, is tied to ethics and morality, which makes it much more complex. For example, choosing to brush your teeth quickly or thoroughly doesn’t harm anyone else, but in veganism, every choice-like eating something with a trace of animal ingredients-has ethical consequences. You also say "as possible" depends on what each person finds convenient, but veganism is often presented as a clear moral duty. If everyone defines "as possible" differently, the moral standard becomes inconsistent. So, instead of simplifying veganism, your argument actually highlights its complexity.
@@DragonBooster moral standards are bound to be inconsistent as we all are human beings with different lives and different responsibilities and ideas. The fact is we all can agree on something like veganism but we cant implement it practically everytime.. Thats where individuality comes in, possibilities comes in. For a fact there can be 2 persons following veganism but both can have very different implementations ,the scope and range. For example , a person living in metro city can follow veganism till some extent and a monk or sadhu living in himalayas can follow it till some extent. A monk or sadhu will have a deeper implementation than a person living in a metro city. Here you can definately say something about possiblities. A metro guy is doing as much as possible from his side but not till the extent of the monk. You say brushing teeth is no way related to morality or ethics but in fact e ery actions and reaction even the thought carries a moral perspective. You can google it there are toothbrushes made from animal products or hair. When you dont know you dnt knw but when u know. As a vegan you try to change your habits you will get a brush made vegan products ,its simple as that When you know something which is morally wrong you try to change it if you can if you cant change it now then you will try to change it in future if you cant change it in even coming future then you keep doing it..its simple as that Why not to think it is complicated ? 1st it is not. 2nd people tend to not go into something which seems to be complicated..if it is simplified it is understandable it is easier for everyone to grasp and implement in their lives..Even if something does seem complicated ,then our objective should to simplify and make it as easier as possible. !
She just eats breakfast at your home, her main course is a pigeon 🐦 that she hunts. My friends partially domesticated cats were crazy, once they torned apart our neighbour's pregnant Rabbit 🐇 we did saw that but it was too late then collectively decided to let them finish her completely, the husband rabbit went insane after that and started molesting youngers rabbits, he was really traumatized because of her absence we guessed, then the owner sold that husband rabbit to someone.
@@dieradikaleveganerin why and how ? Is your a designer cat ? Like munchkin? Did you get them neutered? I think you should get them neutered. Is your cat vegan by choice? Or being vegan was her only choice? It's a high time that we should stop domesticating animal or atleast we stop the genetic manipulation of dog and cats to make look cute, they are not our belongings and often these genetically modified cats dogs suffer health issues by birth like pug dogs can't breath properly and munchkin cat jump or run like normal cats, it's unethical to breed them any further.
What are you feeding the cat? I am currently looking for plant based options but i feel that there is lots if conflicting information out there... i will try to supplement their current meals with Benovo and see how they like it. Just a little scared of doing it wrong...
@@IGNOUBBA As long as the cat decides to take another sentient life with her on volition, the owner, who did not explicitly pay for taking other lives to feed the cat, is still being vegan.
2:26 is not the right logic. I feel bad for this kind of thinking. Run for the rescue and peace will follow. Okay so you won't help an injured cat but will help an injured dog just because it can be vegan. This is extreme form of speciesim.
What's your point of contention other than feeling bad about what he said? I think his point is fair and consistent with veganism. How do you think you can keep a cat and feed them non-vegan food, and still be consistent in your morality?
@varunsoni5278 We can be vegans and cats cannot. Veganism isn't about perfection or extremism. The idea is to reduce suffering. 8 billion people have inhabited planet earth and cats are no longer in their natural habitat. They depend on humans for survival most of the time as humans have been fishing since the dawn of civilization. If we are taking away their natural prey like fish and insects due to overfishing and pollution, I think it's fair to feed them.
@@Aniketbabar Veganism isn't about minimizing suffering. If it was, you'd still be okay killing a cat to save 100 fishes from being murdered since it minimizes the overall suffering. Veganism is about the preservation rights of an innocent animal not to be killed (at least by human beings), and that's why you don't cause harm even if the alternative entails less suffering. Even tigers can't be vegan, so would you be open to feeding dogs to tigers? When you feed fish to a cat, you pay a human to intentionally kill a fish and there's where the problem lies
The disagreement here just tells us how deeply we think of some animals being better/superior than others. Even I thought initially why wouldn’t you rescue a cat but I stand corrected (there might be ways to help the cat in a vegan way as well). You cannot compare two lives, its better to stay out of the picture and let nature do its thing, I wouldn’t want to make that decision. Anyone disagreeing is saying, the cat is more important than chickens. This question brings out the deeply engraved speciesism in our minds.
Your theory is right. If cats couldn’t be vegan you would be right. Unfortunately your facts are wrong, or outdated at the very least. 1. You have to understand what “obligate carnivore” actually means. It means that an animal needs to obtain their food from animals either because of mechanical reasons (actual canines and a lack of molars, etc, so they can’t tear plants but can flesh) or because of the nutritional profile of plants vs animals. Both are true for cats. However, when was the last time you saw a pet cat being fed live animals that they have to chase and eat? Very few domestic cats hunt for food and almost no house cats do. We feed them food out of cans. So humans have already gotten around the mechanistic part of the cats being obligate carnivores. When it comes to nutrition, my understanding is the primary issue is the high level of Taurine they need because their bodies are unable to synthesize it. However, even regular flesh based cat food almost always has taurine supplemented in it, to meet minimum levels. And this taurine used to supplement cat food is synthetic and vegan. There is absolutely no reason cats cannot eat nutritionally suitable vegan food that is made for them. In fact, due to medical conditions, even before I was even thinking of veganism, my cat was eating hydrolyzed protein based on plant proteins, whose only animal content was chicken liver which was added only for flavor. The flavor can easily be derived from plant sources. Cats absolutely can do fine on plant foods and in fact many are prescribed plant proteins when they have allergies etc. 2. There is very limited research on this, but what research does exist, including RCTs, show that cats do better on plant based diets than they do on animal flesh based diets. The actual reason should be fairly obvious. The flesh being put in cat food is not nutritionally complete. It is the worst bits of random animal parts that are thrown in as filler. Commercial cat food uses the flesh as filler and calories, whereas the actual nutrition is added through supplementation, not from the meat. That’s why if you ever look at cat food the nutritional information does not provide specific values of nutrients, but only minimum values, because the minimum value is what they add through supplementation, whereas they have little to no control over what is added through animal flesh, since the flesh they add is random throwaway bits.
The first time i have to disagree with you Arvind, cats can be plant based, there's companies producing complete vegan cat food, like Benevo and Evolution, there's also been studies conducted by pet nutritionists like Dr. Andrew Knight, showing us that cats can be plant based.
I'm asking this as a fellow vegan here, if you see a dying human being on the road and you found out that they were non-vegan, you would let them die in good conscience? Would you do the same if the said human was a family member or a friend? Would you be just as morally consistent with any dying human if you knew they were non-vegan? Now I get what you're trying to say about humans not having a chance to bond with certain animals labelled as food, and I also understand the moral conundrum when it comes to raising a cat as a vegan. But it's okay to have that moral conundrum while not espousing an extreme view of "I would let the cat die". Sounds like a bad faith debate argument, I don't think a vegan in good conscience would look at a dying animal, and walk past it like an un-empathetic sociopathic, and I think you're inadvertently practising speciecism in this case without realizing it.
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
It's not as black and white as that. Lot of our parents eat a shit ton of dairy and there are also a lot of vegans who have parents that eat meat. So if one of your parents got sick, knowing that they would eat meat or exploit cows if they recover, would you try your best to ensure that they die? Because you know, why is one parent's life worth greater than a thousand more animals that they might kill during their lifetime? I'm a vegan, please dont try to explain speciecism to me. I'm merely trying to explain the weird double standard that Arvind is espousing when he says he would just let a cat, an obligate carnivore, die because of some ideological purity. Would he/you do the same for any other human being too? Why not? Saving a human will ensure a lot more animals are exploited, almost 10 times as much in a day just from food. If we include other aspects of harm that humans cause from consumerism, it would be many factors more than a cat. This logic that Arvind is using is weird. It's understandable to not want to rescue a cat and also understandamble to not want to be complicit in other animal deaths to feed a cat. But to say you'll let a cat die, it's fine if you are morally consistent and apply it to all humans. You would be a sociopath if you did, but it's fine, at least it's morally consistent.
2:26 this is not fare, humanity are something, that see everyone with same eyes, whether they are born naturally or forcefully If any animal is suffering, we have to help them, no matter what... It don't matter its a cow or a chicken or a cat, dog I don't agree with you, I'm sorry but this argument of yours 😢
most shocking and appalling argument by Aravindh. This time he has lost it. by this logic only herbivores should be rescued. the cat can be fed milk and fish as needed. The whole point of veganism is to make sensible and right choices as a human.
@@MrAnshuljiAbsolutely! This is a gray area and there are a lot of subtleties to be considered. Plain and hard logic like this meets a dead end at some point. All creatures deserve compassion and saving one in need when you encounter, is something everyone should do irrespective of species. One thing eats another and there's a natural order which humans have interfered with. If there's an imbalance somewhere, we can try a different approach, but approach is a must. I am supporting fortified vegan food for cats and dogs.
How does your cats are Vegans? Can you tell us what you feed? Because one of my friend is a Vegan and a cat comes to his home regularly. But he dont know what to feed it as Vegan.
@@SaravananVallalar there are commercially available vegan cat food but you will have to monitor urine and see whether they get all the nutrients from it. I heard benovo is one vegan cat food, there are many.
Why are u then making a cat, change its real life instinct. Then all can argue its the same as breeding a cow. Because one way or the other, u r disturbing the natural habitat of an animal.
Arvind is one of the greatest animal rights activists that ever existed. The questions were very interesting and well asked and Arvind answered with logic and clarity. Amazing conversation.
@@amitavasengupta5580 u should save the cat but we should not feed it 20 more chickens by killing them , so this one is more of arvind personal opinion but his other interviews are definitely from humanity perspective
@@amitavasengupta5580its not my moral obligation to save anyone. Its like he pointed out, my choices were not what led to that to happen. Is it your moral obligation to save all of human lives? People dying of hunger, poverty…saving them should be your moral obligation? If you hit someone with your car, its your moral obligation to help them, cos you were the one causing it. Now causality can be discussed separately and I would like to help all beings, but that would be because I want to help them not because im morally obliged to.
@@amitavasengupta5580Why is it a moral obligation for u to save life- if that were true- u could eat only half of the food u eat to survive and give rest half to some kid struggling with hunger and this could then be extrapolated to every activity that u do- everytime u spend an extra dollar on urself, u are killing the potential it had to save ppl’s lives they vaccinations, medical treatments, providing edible food and water and so many other things. No one is obliged to save anyone’s life. It is a good act to do- but the saving shouldn’t come at cost of you causing harm to other ppl’s life.
For once, not a logical response, but it's okay, we're all learning. Humans are largely at fault for cat populations, and no one deserves to be left to suffer. If it's not your fault, but you turn away, now you are implicated. I suggest to learn more about wild animal suffering. Start with "The vegan blindspot: wild animal suffering" These days there are vegan cat foods with added Taurine. So, save the cat and save the bird as well.
Great points Arvind. 🙌 I always take such points from you and share them with my friends. So far, none of them have had the chance to defend themselves for being nom vegetarian.
I've become vegan a few months back by seeing your lectures, debates. I'm the same as you, I don't really think there's any logic in epics and stories about God told by our elders, but.... You're very logical in doing the right thing and for the right sake. But, it is very sad to hear that you'll be discontinuing lecturing :( I wanna know what you are going to do next? Love your work Sir.
@@Mohan-v1v Unless you are a super athlete or a body builder, you will get plenty of protein in a healthy varied vegan diet. No need to search more protein.
2:54 this time I have to disagree with you. I get the approach, but I do think it makes a difference wether I save a cat and from then on kill her prey myself or if I just save her and leave her to probably kill her prey herself in the future. In my country not helping (humans) if you were in a position to help is a crime. We actually by law are obliged to help. If you DECIDE to not help a cat in need that means that you would've been in a position to help them as well. If you are a vegan and on the one hand say "every animals life is worth the same" but on the other wouldn't save a cat because it's a cat, THAT'S hypocritical.
Actually he is absolutely right, is anyone adopting pets for their wellbeing or for our happiness. Our yoga guru's also tought us this is not good karma
Also there are outdoor cats. They will find their own food. Save the cat. Feed her milk. Then once the cat has recovered leave the cat to find its own food. Outdoor cats
I've been vegan for 10 years and i disagree with many vegans who want to veganise carnivore animals like cats. BUT, if they're keeping them as pets, which is not a natural state for these carnivorous animals and that requires humans to provide for them then feed them anything. There are tons of vegan food options available which have all the specific nutrients available for animals like cats. If you don't keep them as pets, cats can do what comes natural to them which is killing small animals like rats, birds etc.
There are tons of studies now showing that vegan cats fed a nutrient appropriate diet are doing better than cats fed meat. My cat is almost 4 years old and has been fed benevo since he was a baby when I found him injured on the street and rescued him. He is doing great. You do not need to ignore an injured cat. You can rescue them and feed them food that contains all the nutrients they need without involving other animals in the process.
I think VEGANISH is only for humans.. and not for animals at all.. herbivores animals are already VEGAN 🌾.. omnivorous and Carnivorous animals can't be VEGAN.. 😒.. So I think it is also fair to feed non veg to omnivorous and Carnivorous animals.
What are obligate carnivores? Cats are able to get their nutrients on a plant-based diet. Even Taurine is synthetically created and added to non-veg cat food.
"Even Taurine is synthetically created and added to non-veg cat food." This is what happens! And it's mostly due to the taurine being destroyed by heat in the manufacturing so it has to be re-added.
@@theagent774 first in nature its not possible for a small sized animal to hunt a larger prey than them. Moreover its still a lot better than a vegan products. And where do get those meat from? Its a lot harder here in india so it's easy to feed chicken, fish and milk to cats..
Bro.....who said cats can't survive without meat ...they do eat veggies, legumes etc....I have one at home..if you rescue a kitten at a very young age like within days of birth..she gets used to your way of living at home..i have rescued calves also...male ones which otherwise would have gone to hotels on day one of their birth...but honestly I am not satisfied doing that also...coz they are separated with mom, they live like some piece of garbage in those gaushals
Why are u making a cat change its natural habitat buddy, isn't that animal cruelty. We all know cat species of this world are predators, if they are given one piece of meat and one piece of biscuit obviously they will eat the meat. Its the basic thing here you are trying to change the diet of a species that mostly rely on meat, why u do that u can be a vegan but its hypocrisy when u trying to change an animals natural habitat. If not more its still a form of animal suffering
But how many kittens can we rescue when its population is less. Most of the cats are grown up and above scientific studies have also proven that the cats are high at risk when fed with vegan diet.
@@gokulkanna9180 That's why he never stated in the vedio to feed the cat with veg food. Let the cat free in the wild, as they were meant to be in the wild.
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
I have a wish to have a live hen/ rooster and make them as my pet, play and make friendship. They also very loyal to their owner and feel joy to be happy playing with their owners. Why to restrict ourselves dogs and cats as pets. We can show our love to hens, goats, buffaloes, pigs and cows etc too as our pets not as exploitation animals.
@@SaravananVallalar a rooster or hen costs around 1-2k… and u r still wishing😂😂. Go soon & save a hen / rooster instead of wishing😂. I just fed my dogs & cats 4 hens today morning.
Whenever someone say that 'how about a lion killing a deer...' . Stop him/her right there and ask them ' What is your business in that jungle? Why are you even there ?
Today, we have synthesized food for vegan cat or any animal. Yes obligate carnivorous cannot eat plant base but can eat synthetic food which is vegan if it done properly.
@@benzeyne99 it's still made from animals therefore an animal product so it's not vegan. It can be cruelty-free and more ethical than normal meat however it's not vegan.
@@therealgrimreaper68So I then guess the question is: does it cause animals to suffer and die? If not, how is it better to let the cats die? What is the more vegan choice? And if using cultured meat can save billions of living animals, what is the vegan option in that scenario?
Thanks My idolo for speaking out the truth many Hipocrissy vegans will disagree , i am vegan from last two years 💚💚 proud to be one of your subscriber 💚 I will meet you once . For those who don't understand I simplified 😂😂😂 Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@HackingWithGamer no as a vegan 3-4 year before I had my rooster , goat also they are also vegan they don't have in this world now but when vegan people buying mu**on ,ch*kn for their cat and dogs I hurt ,they said cats are obligate carnivorous, I don't also say them anything because they are vegan but still they contribute to animal cruelty and this is the perfect answer in the argument
@@RakeshXyoutube you want attention thats it, you want Arvind to say aw wow thanks for being my supporter for past 2 years, and you want everyone to say wow bro you typed all that? I mean why would you even comment this if u didn't intent for it to be viewed by someone and be reacted to, there was no point of this comment, everything was already in the video
Arvind, I think your opinions are valid, but even though I recognize the rights of chickens, fish, etc. to live, I recognize my cat’s right to live too, and whenever I get to make the call who lives, I’ll choose the one who is like a son to me, who sleeps next to me every night, every time. I am very against animal breeding and very pro spaying and neutering. That’s how I’ve been fighting for the animals we feed to our carnivorous pets, rather than make anyone starve, which is a horrible fate. Thank you for starting this difficult discussion. Because of other comments, I will be looking into vegan cat food tonight! ❤🐈⬛🌱
What you said in this video is quite controversial and it takes guts to be able to speak something like that. I completely agree with what you said but someone may point out that you are being speciesist by not rescuing or fostering a cat. The answer is right there in this video but people may still do so. Nevertheless, kudos to you!
If he is rescuing that cat then ultimately he has to feed the cat and for that feeding he has to kill 100s of chickens or other animals. So if he is just not interfering he is not saving the cat but on the other hand he is saving lots of chickens which the cat will feed on..he is not participating because if he does he is creating more violence out of human consciousness..in wild if a lion kills a deer you will not interfere saying it is wild..likewise you dont have to interfere everywhere specially for the animal that you feel is more superior than other animals. P.s From Arvinds pov he can save the cat if he dosnt need to foster it. Then after saving the cat. The cat stands on its own feet and kills other animals for its survival then its well n good..but he wont kill anyone
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@RakeshXyoutube your equations are very simplistic..In real life its a bit complex..as in one of your equation you have equated human flesh as equal to that of other non human animals ..which can be wrong as humans posses a certain level of consciousness which other animals lack..so they should be always given the most priority.
@@GirlCanGameYt other animals have consciousness too not plants have consciousness, only plants and mushroom don't have complex animals have consciousness
Partially agree to you But if i were to find a injured cat on road side or in street, that is obviously because its stray cat, and i if i could i would help that cat and leave her back because come on it can survive on its on once it got better
but cats can thrive on a vegan diet if their nutritional requirements are met, right? i.e. taurine, arginine, arachidonic acid etc. can be fed as supplements? I do agree from an availability/financial point of view that it might be difficult to get it or vegan cat food as well... but still..
I think Arvind you faltered here.. i think you too should research more on this... According to my experience around street cats , they are living on breads , roti , other leftovers we are giving to them. Leaving a grieving cat like that on street atleast my conscience will not allow that at all.
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
It's not hipocrisy if we kill other animals to feed one, considering that we have included one animal in our tribe, but not the other. It's the way of the wild, which humans tend to complicate with modern morality. Nevertheless, if a vegan choses to believe that it is hipocrisy, and keep a cat, they've made a bad choice, yes, but it's also bad if they chose to let a cat die on the street. That would be hipocrisy, if you claim to be an animal activist, aka selective activism. Not only that, it is more objectively beneficial to the society, including vegans, if the cat survives. If there is a cat that can be rescued, better rescue it, and give it to a shelter, or to someone who will take care of the cat, because, even if the vegan is against killing animals, it is more beneficial for the vegan to have a cat prowling the street, to unalive the rats who would otherwise plague their homes, and the homes of their loved ones.
He is not against saving the cat..he is against saving the cat on the cost of some other animal. And it is hypocrisy if you are vegan and you are killing other animals to feed one.
Don't agree with Arvind on this... This is one of the most sensible and applicably encompassing question to ask... Pets like cats are carnivores; dogs may be omnivores (but not sure they can have tofu for their protein intake :D ) These creatures coming from the animal shelter need to be rescued... Without being speciest; cats and dogs are mammalia with a brain and big pre-frontal cortices and hence can really feel pain as opposed to, say a cockroach. Big mammals perceive huge emotion and pain and starvation; think of an angry elephant for eg... We have the science to tell that! Based on the situation, if no one else can really take them; give them the kindness they deserve... Make an informed choice with balance; LEAVE YOUR FIXED RULES, PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHIES. Veganism is not a religion, but PRACTICING EMPATHY AND KINDNESS IS UNIVERSAL.
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@RakeshXyoutube No one asked you to eat a cat or a hen or a dog or a human as is... You're not born into some world of Platonic ideals... Tomorrow if a creature; say a dog or cat need care, are neglected and just happened to you (a diseased dog or a diseased cat in the street; or a limping dog or a blind cat and is starving on the street or one in the animal shelter needing rescue); exercise your empathy (which will come naturally; so no need to block it) and give it the care it deserves... If a situation compels intervention you have every right to intervene; No need to act all high and mighty with your ego massaging ideals. Things like "Vegan Philosophy" are only useful when they are righteous.
I'm a vegan.i have a cat.but iam bound to feed it whiskas.she cant survive without that feed😢.she is habituated to that food.she doesn't eat any food other than that.what is the solution for that.she literally can't hunt and eat rats n other stuff.i did a mistake 7years ago by feeding whiskas to my cat.now she became habituated to that food.whats the solution now?
For those comparing cats to humans, please don’t forget that cats are obligate carnivores. We are not. This is why it is ok for them to kill and eat and not for us, because we have a choice they don’t.
Yeah I and millions of people made a choice to eat meat.. It's our wish.. Don't force your as$ hole agenda on us.. You be a vegan, absolutely fine.. We won't interfere..
it has been done though. there are a few vegan cat foods now. all cats really need is the taurine, and in 'normal' cat food manufacturing process the taurine is broken down due to the heat inherent in the process so it has to be re-added at the end anyway.
Vegan Cat food is an option for some cats but I have found that many pets are picky about the food they eat. The options for having companion animals becomes even more challenging for us.
They are picky about their food because they are being pampered and spoilt at the expense of the lives of other animals. they would not be picky if they had to go hungry for a while. Rats want to live just as much as cats. Please stop persecuting rats. Leave them alone.💕
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@berniv7375 I agree the main reason why street dogs even eat roti or chappati or bread is cuz we led them to cooperate , no way they could have even taste that if we didn't put them in that scenario
The answer is, it's just like saying if you don't like trafficking kids don't do it don't preach others. Think about it and if you want you can reply back. ❤
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
When it comes to doctors, the way of eating is a personal choice of that particular person. Doctor is a profession. It is taught to never discriminate the patient. But, circumstances can lead to this action also which is stated by you. If a human is cannibal and is hurt and needs help, why would a doctor help him, as he know that after the recovery, that cannibal will eat the doctor for food himself.
Thers a difference between humans and non human animals. Arvind has alredy clarified this in pre iois videos..human should be given 1st priority because he has the ability to think..and change himslef for betterment nomatter he is vegan or non vegan
It depends on once personal morals ! If you ask me personally I would say 'not necessarily' because of the fact that a person could be non-vegan just because of social conditioning, I wish he/she should be given a choice to reconsider their morals and show the same in actions
Oh thats weird Arvind, I didnt see that coming at all as a vegan and a huge admirer of yours. I am not sure how to think about it eventhough you make sense. You could be surprised cats could go vegan too?
Sir but you are normalizing the pain of cat, only because that it Is a carnivore.. You were telling humans are not responsible for that cat's death. So when such times you are ready to leave all carnivore to death only because you are not responsible but you are victim..
I have two cats and i eat fully plant based , the cats eat about 60 percent plants . ive been transitioning to a vegan formula one called evolution diet and two benevo. The bulk dry kibble is a good price , but the wet food is very pricey. I still buy dry fish and some wet food with meat , it is an ethical dilemma .
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
Leave this guy in jungle and ask him to train animals to be vegan, then he will understand how the world actually works. Not humans only live on earth.
I don't agree this time. It is like saying that I won't save tigers because they are carnivores. Unfortunately they are built that way and we need them. It's not the animal's fault
@bb9a Bro it does. We have a save tiger project especially for it. Madhya pradesh had more deer population hence we had to put some cheetahs there to balance the population. That's nature.
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@Piyush_jain_9i understand what u r trying to say but i do hav a cat from past 7 years and it has been attached to us. I cant abandon it just like that. If there are vegan options i myt as well try that
@@amoghaithal516Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they need nutrients found in meat. While vegan cat food exists, it doesn't change their biological needs. Many vets warn that a vegan diet can cause serious health issues for cats.
@@NinadRb-t4r do you honestly think that the people making vegan cat food didn't do the hard work and research? just think for a few seconds!!!!! FFS. Anyway, cats need taurine. taurine is mostly destroyed in the 'normal' cat food making process anyway due to heat, so it gets added back at the end.
Just because the cat is going to kill more lives so I won't save it makes no sense,we must do all in our capacity to help ,what happens after the cat is saved is not under our control
No, it doesn't make sense! I agree with the first conclusion - Don't kill any animal to save a predator! And I absolutely DISAGREE with "let predators do what they do"! First - the Reduction of Suffering is a Good argument! This ONE predator will kill MANY sentient beings in its life! And if it Dies, then a lot of suffering will be prevented! And it makes sense in a human context too. Let say a Mentally challenged human attacks and kills other (mentally challenged) humans. Is it a good thing to Stop him, even if we have to kill him? Yes, it is. That would be the case with predators - Remove them in Any Way possible! And why do you think, we can't do anything! We can do A LOT actually! And we should! Then we will control the population of Herbivores! We can do that too! So, yes, we Must step into the nature! And of course, save the chickens and pigeons from cats in the civilization!
And no, we can not say in all cases, that if a human Doesn't help, he\she is not a Bad human! If a (small) child is drowning in a little pond (50 centimeters), and you Don't Help, then you are DEFINITELY a Very BAD Person!
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
question: if you had a gun , and came across a tiger about to kill 2 baby deer, would you kill the tiger, and save two lives or would you do nothing and save one life(the tiger's) , because according to your logic, killing the tiger would be more ethical. (assuming that the tiger is starving and if it does not eat the 2 deer, it will die). You had also said that if you came across a dying cat , you would not rescue it, probably because you were worried about it going and killing other animals. Now apply it to humans, according to your logic, the tending of an army doctor to an injured soldier would be unethical, because he might go and kill enemy soldiers,(assume that the soldier was defending his countries, border). If you were a children's doctor ,according to your logic , it would be unethical to treat a dying or sick child, because he might end up being a serial killer one day. what has the cat ever done to you bro, if you have to power to heal a sick and innocent cat, why would you not do so? According to your logic, if you were a doctor, and one day decided to be a vegan, you would not treat an injured mma fighter,boxer,kickboxer etc... just because the might go hurt somebody after getting healed
@@Tectme_itsaadi But there is harm in giving them "food" if that "food" consists of dead animal parts. Literal harm, the animals have literally been killed. Also no cat is naturally an "indoor" cat. Cats should not be made to stay indoors.
i have dog and it's 9 year old you don't believe me he only eat roti wheat roti 4to 5 in morning and 5 to 6 at night and he is totally healthy he ran he to everything
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
I have 4 stray cats, 2 cats in home and other 2 I feed. So didn't get the logic from the answer. I won't help and leave the cat to die, only because it eats meat. We humans can only change our diet because we decide what to eat and not to. But we can't change the food chain. There are many living beings which are not vegetarian. Does that mean A vegan should not help. Many people are working on saving animals from extinction. I think those people are not vegan or both the animals and persons are Vegan. Didn't expect that reply from you. Please correct me if wrong.
Arvind,cats are not obligate carnivores. Studies and research have proven this,they can be very healthy and thrive on a well balanced plant diet. It is all about the nutrients not the ingredients. If you had access to vegan cat food would you still let the cat die ?
Let's Assume A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1 Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2 Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3 Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4 Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5 From the above 5 eq. ----------------------------------- Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause ) Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal (only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it ) Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@jjradV right but it's better think again people will not understand that ,that's the fact because I found 90 persent or more vegans buying meat for their pets sad but truth
I used to appreciate your views in most clips, but today with cat issue you went down. Pls answer me, will you let your child to die and not vaccinate or cure them. By these two, you are killing bacteria or virus which is also another life. Another example, if a wild dog is hungry, and attacks your child to fill its hunger. What you will do ?. Stop the dog and allow it to die of hunger or allow it to munch on your child.
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So as per you the genius Vegan before rescuing a human ask him whether he is a non veg or veg, if the human is veg save him if he is non veg leave him to die, perfect teaching by genius vegan like you. We need more people like you. You should be given an Award for this.😂 Don't you think?
@@Sim_Fifa23-24 laught at them. No need to take vegans seriously 😂.
@@Sim_Fifa23-24 In this video, when he told Vegans should not save humans if they are non-Vegetarians?
@@Sim_Fifa23-24 @Sim_Fifa23-24 In this video, when he told Vegans should not save humans if they are non-Vegetarians?
A rescued cat in Acharya Prashant's organization was Vegan. She passed away last year but she was vegan for years.
My cat is vegan since day 1. Well, her name is vegan.
I feed my cat vegan cat food called Benevo😊💚🐱🤗🙏
Be kind to all animals be vegan 🙏❤️🫂🐥🐱
That is impossible
@@supersagarsagar it's possible bro, just search vegan cat food and u will get it
I just looked it up! They seem great!! Thank you!!
*It's about the NUTRIENTS, NOT the INGREDIENTS!* 🫡
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@ Cats are obligate carnivores
They can't survive without eating meat
1:22 There is fortified vegan cat food.
Tons of vegan pet foods already available in the market.
Only 2 cat food brands available in India are vegan. (Benovo & Ami) And they are also not easily available.
How that food is made?
Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they need nutrients found in meat. While vegan cat food exists, it doesn't change their biological needs. Many vets warn that a vegan diet can cause serious health issues for cats.
@@varunalves2830 Nobody is going to force you to get Benovo or Ami. But if you want to be as vegan as you can be, then that's what you do.
@NinadRb-t4r Bro, live your life. Let the cat live it's life 🙏🙏🙏
Humans did this to cats and so just like any other animal we owe them safety as well. There is successful plant based cats in 2025.
Much more reasonable & intelligent questioner than what I've seen in most of Arvind's vids.
My sister has two dogs from shelter and three cats from road side. She feeds vegan food i.e sweet potatoes and other vegan food to her pets..
So well you said.
Students asked brilliant question -- The last question on predator Vs pray was brilliant -- The logical answer was out of the world -- Simply great conversation -- This type of heathy discssion enhances our ability to understand each other -- Thanks a lot
Veganism is actually way more complicated than one would think. Its a whole philosophically approach
@@gwen04414 how is it complicated ?
( i think it can be summed up in 1 simple sentence - being as non violent as possible with time and understanding )
@@GirlCanGameYtI am glad you didn't forget to add the as possible phrase.
'As possible' is the bit which makes it complicated to arrive at what decision to take.
@@DragonBooster This is a very good counter questions..and it shows the complexities inside the simplicity and simplicity inside complexities..this is mind boggling..But depends on you what your perspective is..i thought of some examples to simplify..
Take our everyday life
When you wake up , there can be 10 different ways to wake up, you chose a way depending on you past something which is as easy for you to follow as POSSIBLE. There must be a best way or better way but you chose what was best according to you. Its subjective thats why 'as possiblte' comes ..Waking is objective but the way of waking is subjective.
You brush tour teeth..there can be 10 different ways to brush teeth..but you chose for yourself as convinient as possible but also making sure that it is helpfull in a bigger perspective.
When you are doing the above 2 activities do you anyway feel them to complicated?
I hope No because we do it everyday , its in our subconscious. There may be a better way..if that way comes infront of us we will chose and opt for it according to our intellect and convinience.
Likewise Veganism.
There will always be a better way to do it.
But we also need to see the fact that we are product of our past choices.
We cant entirely change the present on the choices we make for the future.
You cant entirely become a pure vegan because if you do that you have to sacrifice everything and go live in a jungle. You cant do that
But you can definitely start keeping a Macroperspectuve which is a good start that is by not contributing to a direct violene i.e eating meat and consuming dairy
Then as you go ahead with life you can choose more micro ways of veganism as possible by you according to you.Its your choice
@@GirlCanGameYtYour argument compares veganism to everyday activities like brushing teeth to show simplicity, but this comparison is flawed. Brushing teeth has no moral or ethical weight-it’s just a neutral habit. Veganism, on the other hand, is tied to ethics and morality, which makes it much more complex. For example, choosing to brush your teeth quickly or thoroughly doesn’t harm anyone else, but in veganism, every choice-like eating something with a trace of animal ingredients-has ethical consequences. You also say "as possible" depends on what each person finds convenient, but veganism is often presented as a clear moral duty. If everyone defines "as possible" differently, the moral standard becomes inconsistent. So, instead of simplifying veganism, your argument actually highlights its complexity.
@@DragonBooster moral standards are bound to be inconsistent as we all are human beings with different lives and different responsibilities and ideas.
The fact is we all can agree on something like veganism but we cant implement it practically everytime..
Thats where individuality comes in, possibilities comes in.
For a fact there can be 2 persons following veganism but both can have very different implementations ,the scope and range.
For example , a person living in metro city can follow veganism till some extent and a monk or sadhu living in himalayas can follow it till some extent.
A monk or sadhu will have a deeper implementation than a person living in a metro city.
Here you can definately say something about possiblities. A metro guy is doing as much as possible from his side but not till the extent of the monk.
You say brushing teeth is no way related to morality or ethics but in fact e ery actions and reaction even the thought carries a moral perspective.
You can google it there are toothbrushes made from animal products or hair.
When you dont know you dnt knw but when u know. As a vegan you try to change your habits you will get a brush made vegan products ,its simple as that
When you know something which is morally wrong you try to change it if you can if you cant change it now then you will try to change it in future if you cant change it in even coming future then you keep doing it..its simple as that
Why not to think it is complicated ?
1st it is not. 2nd people tend to not go into something which seems to be complicated..if it is simplified it is understandable it is easier for everyone to grasp and implement in their lives..Even if something does seem complicated ,then our objective should to simplify and make it as easier as possible. !
There's nutrient dense vegan cat food out here already! Our cat eats animal-free for years and she's perfectly healthy :) xx
She just eats breakfast at your home, her main course is a pigeon 🐦 that she hunts.
My friends partially domesticated cats were crazy, once they torned apart our neighbour's pregnant Rabbit 🐇 we did saw that but it was too late then collectively decided to let them finish her completely, the husband rabbit went insane after that and started molesting youngers rabbits, he was really traumatized because of her absence we guessed, then the owner sold that husband rabbit to someone.
@ our cats are not outdoors soooooo
@@dieradikaleveganerin why and how ?
Is your a designer cat ? Like munchkin?
Did you get them neutered? I think you should get them neutered.
Is your cat vegan by choice? Or being vegan was her only choice?
It's a high time that we should stop domesticating animal or atleast we stop the genetic manipulation of dog and cats to make look cute, they are not our belongings and often these genetically modified cats dogs suffer health issues by birth like pug dogs can't breath properly and munchkin cat jump or run like normal cats, it's unethical to breed them any further.
What are you feeding the cat? I am currently looking for plant based options but i feel that there is lots if conflicting information out there... i will try to supplement their current meals with Benovo and see how they like it. Just a little scared of doing it wrong...
@@IGNOUBBA As long as the cat decides to take another sentient life with her on volition, the owner, who did not explicitly pay for taking other lives to feed the cat, is still being vegan.
2:26 is not the right logic. I feel bad for this kind of thinking. Run for the rescue and peace will follow. Okay so you won't help an injured cat but will help an injured dog just because it can be vegan. This is extreme form of speciesim.
You can help... But don't make her pet
What's your point of contention other than feeling bad about what he said? I think his point is fair and consistent with veganism. How do you think you can keep a cat and feed them non-vegan food, and still be consistent in your morality?
@varunsoni5278 We can be vegans and cats cannot. Veganism isn't about perfection or extremism. The idea is to reduce suffering. 8 billion people have inhabited planet earth and cats are no longer in their natural habitat. They depend on humans for survival most of the time as humans have been fishing since the dawn of civilization. If we are taking away their natural prey like fish and insects due to overfishing and pollution, I think it's fair to feed them.
@varunsoni5278 you are speaking about morality by supporting not helping an animal in need only cuz it's a cat. That's not moral.
@@Aniketbabar Veganism isn't about minimizing suffering. If it was, you'd still be okay killing a cat to save 100 fishes from being murdered since it minimizes the overall suffering. Veganism is about the preservation rights of an innocent animal not to be killed (at least by human beings), and that's why you don't cause harm even if the alternative entails less suffering. Even tigers can't be vegan, so would you be open to feeding dogs to tigers? When you feed fish to a cat, you pay a human to intentionally kill a fish and there's where the problem lies
The disagreement here just tells us how deeply we think of some animals being better/superior than others. Even I thought initially why wouldn’t you rescue a cat but I stand corrected (there might be ways to help the cat in a vegan way as well). You cannot compare two lives, its better to stay out of the picture and let nature do its thing, I wouldn’t want to make that decision. Anyone disagreeing is saying, the cat is more important than chickens. This question brings out the deeply engraved speciesism in our minds.
Your theory is right. If cats couldn’t be vegan you would be right.
Unfortunately your facts are wrong, or outdated at the very least.
1. You have to understand what “obligate carnivore” actually means. It means that an animal needs to obtain their food from animals either because of mechanical reasons (actual canines and a lack of molars, etc, so they can’t tear plants but can flesh) or because of the nutritional profile of plants vs animals. Both are true for cats.
However, when was the last time you saw a pet cat being fed live animals that they have to chase and eat? Very few domestic cats hunt for food and almost no house cats do. We feed them food out of cans. So humans have already gotten around the mechanistic part of the cats being obligate carnivores.
When it comes to nutrition, my understanding is the primary issue is the high level of Taurine they need because their bodies are unable to synthesize it. However, even regular flesh based cat food almost always has taurine supplemented in it, to meet minimum levels. And this taurine used to supplement cat food is synthetic and vegan. There is absolutely no reason cats cannot eat nutritionally suitable vegan food that is made for them. In fact, due to medical conditions, even before I was even thinking of veganism, my cat was eating hydrolyzed protein based on plant proteins, whose only animal content was chicken liver which was added only for flavor. The flavor can easily be derived from plant sources. Cats absolutely can do fine on plant foods and in fact many are prescribed plant proteins when they have allergies etc.
2. There is very limited research on this, but what research does exist, including RCTs, show that cats do better on plant based diets than they do on animal flesh based diets. The actual reason should be fairly obvious. The flesh being put in cat food is not nutritionally complete. It is the worst bits of random animal parts that are thrown in as filler. Commercial cat food uses the flesh as filler and calories, whereas the actual nutrition is added through supplementation, not from the meat. That’s why if you ever look at cat food the nutritional information does not provide specific values of nutrients, but only minimum values, because the minimum value is what they add through supplementation, whereas they have little to no control over what is added through animal flesh, since the flesh they add is random throwaway bits.
The first time i have to disagree with you Arvind, cats can be plant based, there's companies producing complete vegan cat food, like Benevo and Evolution, there's also been studies conducted by pet nutritionists like Dr. Andrew Knight, showing us that cats can be plant based.
I'm asking this as a fellow vegan here, if you see a dying human being on the road and you found out that they were non-vegan, you would let them die in good conscience? Would you do the same if the said human was a family member or a friend? Would you be just as morally consistent with any dying human if you knew they were non-vegan? Now I get what you're trying to say about humans not having a chance to bond with certain animals labelled as food, and I also understand the moral conundrum when it comes to raising a cat as a vegan. But it's okay to have that moral conundrum while not espousing an extreme view of "I would let the cat die". Sounds like a bad faith debate argument, I don't think a vegan in good conscience would look at a dying animal, and walk past it like an un-empathetic sociopathic, and I think you're inadvertently practising speciecism in this case without realizing it.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
It's not as black and white as that. Lot of our parents eat a shit ton of dairy and there are also a lot of vegans who have parents that eat meat. So if one of your parents got sick, knowing that they would eat meat or exploit cows if they recover, would you try your best to ensure that they die? Because you know, why is one parent's life worth greater than a thousand more animals that they might kill during their lifetime?
I'm a vegan, please dont try to explain speciecism to me. I'm merely trying to explain the weird double standard that Arvind is espousing when he says he would just let a cat, an obligate carnivore, die because of some ideological purity. Would he/you do the same for any other human being too? Why not? Saving a human will ensure a lot more animals are exploited, almost 10 times as much in a day just from food. If we include other aspects of harm that humans cause from consumerism, it would be many factors more than a cat.
This logic that Arvind is using is weird. It's understandable to not want to rescue a cat and also understandamble to not want to be complicit in other animal deaths to feed a cat. But to say you'll let a cat die, it's fine if you are morally consistent and apply it to all humans. You would be a sociopath if you did, but it's fine, at least it's morally consistent.
@@arunsuryanarayanan5743 humans aren't obligate carnivorous ,they can be vegan
@@arunsuryanarayanan5743 want to save then try with vegan food if don't then don't rescue a cat as simple as it is
2:26 this is not fare, humanity are something, that see everyone with same eyes, whether they are born naturally or forcefully
If any animal is suffering, we have to help them, no matter what...
It don't matter its a cow or a chicken or a cat, dog
I don't agree with you, I'm sorry but this argument of yours 😢
most shocking and appalling argument by Aravindh. This time he has lost it.
by this logic only herbivores should be rescued.
the cat can be fed milk and fish as needed.
The whole point of veganism is to make sensible and right choices as a human.
@@MrAnshulji No you can still save a cat and give him or her appropriate vegan cat food. Check out those foods.
I'm with you on this point.
@ cats need meat based nutrients, they are obligate carnivores.
@@MrAnshuljiAbsolutely! This is a gray area and there are a lot of subtleties to be considered. Plain and hard logic like this meets a dead end at some point. All creatures deserve compassion and saving one in need when you encounter, is something everyone should do irrespective of species. One thing eats another and there's a natural order which humans have interfered with. If there's an imbalance somewhere, we can try a different approach, but approach is a must. I am supporting fortified vegan food for cats and dogs.
I have 4 vegan cats.
How does your cats are Vegans? Can you tell us what you feed? Because one of my friend is a Vegan and a cat comes to his home regularly. But he dont know what to feed it as Vegan.
@@SaravananVallalar there are commercially available vegan cat food but you will have to monitor urine and see whether they get all the nutrients from it. I heard benovo is one vegan cat food, there are many.
Why are u then making a cat, change its real life instinct. Then all can argue its the same as breeding a cow. Because one way or the other, u r disturbing the natural habitat of an animal.
@@Mayur_Kedare Thanks
I saw cat eating roti in delhi
Arvind is one of the greatest animal rights activists that ever existed. The questions were very interesting and well asked and Arvind answered with logic and clarity. Amazing conversation.
Arvind always make logic.. Here those who asked questions also did well 👏👏
I'm sorry but here he doesn't. If you see a cat dying on the road how can you just walk away? It's your moral obligation to save a life
@@amitavasengupta5580Yes you can save the lufe if that cat only by Vegan food and not by meat.
@@amitavasengupta5580 u should save the cat but we should not feed it 20 more chickens by killing them , so this one is more of arvind personal opinion but his other interviews are definitely from humanity perspective
@@amitavasengupta5580its not my moral obligation to save anyone. Its like he pointed out, my choices were not what led to that to happen. Is it your moral obligation to save all of human lives? People dying of hunger, poverty…saving them should be your moral obligation? If you hit someone with your car, its your moral obligation to help them, cos you were the one causing it. Now causality can be discussed separately and I would like to help all beings, but that would be because I want to help them not because im morally obliged to.
@@amitavasengupta5580Why is it a moral obligation for u to save life- if that were true- u could eat only half of the food u eat to survive and give rest half to some kid struggling with hunger and this could then be extrapolated to every activity that u do- everytime u spend an extra dollar on urself, u are killing the potential it had to save ppl’s lives they vaccinations, medical treatments, providing edible food and water and so many other things.
No one is obliged to save anyone’s life. It is a good act to do- but the saving shouldn’t come at cost of you causing harm to other ppl’s life.
Video shared 💚💚💚
For once, not a logical response, but it's okay, we're all learning. Humans are largely at fault for cat populations, and no one deserves to be left to suffer. If it's not your fault, but you turn away, now you are implicated. I suggest to learn more about wild animal suffering. Start with "The vegan blindspot: wild animal suffering" These days there are vegan cat foods with added Taurine. So, save the cat and save the bird as well.
Great points Arvind. 🙌
I always take such points from you and share them with my friends. So far, none of them have had the chance to defend themselves for being nom vegetarian.
Amazing questionnaires and Arvind gave awesome answers 👍
🙏❤️😇
Thank you for this video.
I've become vegan a few months back by seeing your lectures, debates. I'm the same as you, I don't really think there's any logic in epics and stories about God told by our elders, but.... You're very logical in doing the right thing and for the right sake. But, it is very sad to hear that you'll be discontinuing lecturing :(
I wanna know what you are going to do next?
Love your work Sir.
@@rohithk5215 Congrats!
Please eat enough protein and take vitamin B12 regularly.
Pay attention to calcium, omega3 & vitamin D too.
@@Mohan-v1v Unless you are a super athlete or a body builder, you will get plenty of protein in a healthy varied vegan diet. No need to search more protein.
@@isabellezablocki7447 this ^^
You always have the best takes.
2:54 this time I have to disagree with you. I get the approach, but I do think it makes a difference wether I save a cat and from then on kill her prey myself or if I just save her and leave her to probably kill her prey herself in the future. In my country not helping (humans) if you were in a position to help is a crime. We actually by law are obliged to help. If you DECIDE to not help a cat in need that means that you would've been in a position to help them as well. If you are a vegan and on the one hand say "every animals life is worth the same" but on the other wouldn't save a cat because it's a cat, THAT'S hypocritical.
Nice Work Arvind. Keep it up!
Thanks Arvind👏🏼💟
Supplement Carnitine & Taurine you should be okay with Vegan Cat food.
Actually he is absolutely right, is anyone adopting pets for their wellbeing or for our happiness. Our yoga guru's also tought us this is not good karma
Very thought provoking!
Complete 100 💯 agree with you sir , my idolo i will meet you once ,i am completely vegan also ❤❤❤
Also there are outdoor cats. They will find their own food. Save the cat. Feed her milk. Then once the cat has recovered leave the cat to find its own food. Outdoor cats
What he means is eating once or twice meat is okay instead of everyday because that will save many more animals.
I've been vegan for 10 years and i disagree with many vegans who want to veganise carnivore animals like cats. BUT, if they're keeping them as pets, which is not a natural state for these carnivorous animals and that requires humans to provide for them then feed them anything. There are tons of vegan food options available which have all the specific nutrients available for animals like cats.
If you don't keep them as pets, cats can do what comes natural to them which is killing small animals like rats, birds etc.
Very well explained ❤
There are tons of studies now showing that vegan cats fed a nutrient appropriate diet are doing better than cats fed meat. My cat is almost 4 years old and has been fed benevo since he was a baby when I found him injured on the street and rescued him. He is doing great. You do not need to ignore an injured cat. You can rescue them and feed them food that contains all the nutrients they need without involving other animals in the process.
I think VEGANISH is only for humans.. and not for animals at all.. herbivores animals are already VEGAN 🌾.. omnivorous and Carnivorous animals can't be VEGAN.. 😒.. So I think it is also fair to feed non veg to omnivorous and Carnivorous animals.
What are obligate carnivores? Cats are able to get their nutrients on a plant-based diet. Even Taurine is synthetically created and added to non-veg cat food.
"Even Taurine is synthetically created and added to non-veg cat food." This is what happens! And it's mostly due to the taurine being destroyed by heat in the manufacturing so it has to be re-added.
@@theagent774 u need to feed raw meat to cats..
@@pot8735 yeah, I feed my cat dog meat. Because cat food isn't natural and healthy at all.
@@theagent774 don't feed them meat , feed them milk and eggs
@@theagent774 first in nature its not possible for a small sized animal to hunt a larger prey than them. Moreover its still a lot better than a vegan products. And where do get those meat from? Its a lot harder here in india so it's easy to feed chicken, fish and milk to cats..
So nice, I am grateful.
Bro.....who said cats can't survive without meat
...they do eat veggies, legumes etc....I have one at home..if you rescue a kitten at a very young age like within days of birth..she gets used to your way of living at home..i have rescued calves also...male ones which otherwise would have gone to hotels on day one of their birth...but honestly I am not satisfied doing that also...coz they are separated with mom, they live like some piece of garbage in those gaushals
Hat's off 🎉🎉keep going 👏
Why are u making a cat change its natural habitat buddy, isn't that animal cruelty. We all know cat species of this world are predators, if they are given one piece of meat and one piece of biscuit obviously they will eat the meat. Its the basic thing here you are trying to change the diet of a species that mostly rely on meat, why u do that u can be a vegan but its hypocrisy when u trying to change an animals natural habitat. If not more its still a form of animal suffering
But how many kittens can we rescue when its population is less.
Most of the cats are grown up and above scientific studies have also proven that the cats are high at risk when fed with vegan diet.
@@gokulkanna9180 That's why he never stated in the vedio to feed the cat with veg food.
Let the cat free in the wild, as they were meant to be in the wild.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
Our people are selfish, they dont change.. but hell is waiting 😂
I have a wish to have a live hen/ rooster and make them as my pet, play and make friendship. They also very loyal to their owner and feel joy to be happy playing with their owners. Why to restrict ourselves dogs and cats as pets. We can show our love to hens, goats, buffaloes, pigs and cows etc too as our pets not as exploitation animals.
In case you ever adopt a pet hen or rooster please do that by buying it from a meat shop so that at least 1 chicken gets to live ☺️❤
@@sru0286 Yes thats my plan. Thank you for advising me.
@@SaravananVallalar a rooster or hen costs around 1-2k… and u r still wishing😂😂. Go soon & save a hen / rooster instead of wishing😂.
I just fed my dogs & cats 4 hens today morning.
@jaybolt100 If I am staying in my own house and not rented one, I would definitely do that.
@jaybolt100 @jaybolt100 If I am staying in my own house and not rented one, I would definitely do that.
Whenever someone say that 'how about a lion killing a deer...' . Stop him/her right there and ask them ' What is your business in that jungle? Why are you even there ?
Today, we have synthesized food for vegan cat or any animal. Yes obligate carnivorous cannot eat plant base but can eat synthetic food which is vegan if it done properly.
"Be a vegan" or "eat vegan" ?
Which ones right way of saying?
Hopefully some day cultivated meat will become an option for cat food.
CM is not vegan.
@@rabbitcreative how come?
@@benzeyne99 it's still made from animals therefore an animal product so it's not vegan. It can be cruelty-free and more ethical than normal meat however it's not vegan.
@@therealgrimreaper68So I then guess the question is: does it cause animals to suffer and die?
If not, how is it better to let the cats die? What is the more vegan choice?
And if using cultured meat can save billions of living animals, what is the vegan option in that scenario?
@ neither are vegan, but lab grown meat is ethical and causes less suffering
Thanks My idolo for speaking out the truth many Hipocrissy vegans will disagree , i am vegan from last two years 💚💚 proud to be one of your subscriber 💚 I will meet you once .
For those who don't understand I simplified 😂😂😂
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
did you just waste your time for attention, grow up
@HackingWithGamer truth can't be attention reality hurts someone
@@HackingWithGamer no as a vegan 3-4 year before I had my rooster , goat also they are also vegan they don't have in this world now but when vegan people buying mu**on ,ch*kn for their cat and dogs I hurt ,they said cats are obligate carnivorous, I don't also say them anything because they are vegan but still they contribute to animal cruelty and this is the perfect answer in the argument
@@RakeshXyoutube talking about the whole equation thing you did, use some brain
@@RakeshXyoutube you want attention thats it, you want Arvind to say aw wow thanks for being my supporter for past 2 years, and you want everyone to say wow bro you typed all that? I mean why would you even comment this if u didn't intent for it to be viewed by someone and be reacted to, there was no point of this comment, everything was already in the video
Arvind, I think your opinions are valid, but even though I recognize the rights of chickens, fish, etc. to live, I recognize my cat’s right to live too, and whenever I get to make the call who lives, I’ll choose the one who is like a son to me, who sleeps next to me every night, every time. I am very against animal breeding and very pro spaying and neutering. That’s how I’ve been fighting for the animals we feed to our carnivorous pets, rather than make anyone starve, which is a horrible fate.
Thank you for starting this difficult discussion. Because of other comments, I will be looking into vegan cat food tonight! ❤🐈⬛🌱
What you said in this video is quite controversial and it takes guts to be able to speak something like that. I completely agree with what you said but someone may point out that you are being speciesist by not rescuing or fostering a cat. The answer is right there in this video but people may still do so. Nevertheless, kudos to you!
If he is rescuing that cat then ultimately he has to feed the cat and for that feeding he has to kill 100s of chickens or other animals.
So if he is just not interfering he is not saving the cat but on the other hand he is saving lots of chickens which the cat will feed on..he is not participating because if he does he is creating more violence out of human consciousness..in wild if a lion kills a deer you will not interfere saying it is wild..likewise you dont have to interfere everywhere specially for the animal that you feel is more superior than other animals.
P.s From Arvinds pov he can save the cat if he dosnt need to foster it. Then after saving the cat. The cat stands on its own feet and kills other animals for its survival then its well n good..but he wont kill anyone
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@RakeshXyoutube your equations are very simplistic..In real life its a bit complex..as in one of your equation you have equated human flesh as equal to that of other non human animals ..which can be wrong as humans posses a certain level of consciousness which other animals lack..so they should be always given the most priority.
@@GirlCanGameYt watt 😂😂😂
@@GirlCanGameYt other animals have consciousness too not plants have consciousness, only plants and mushroom don't have complex animals have consciousness
Partially agree to you
But if i were to find a injured cat on road side or in street, that is obviously because its stray cat, and i if i could i would help that cat and leave her back because come on it can survive on its on once it got better
but cats can thrive on a vegan diet if their nutritional requirements are met, right? i.e. taurine, arginine, arachidonic acid etc. can be fed as supplements?
I do agree from an availability/financial point of view that it might be difficult to get it or vegan cat food as well... but still..
I am against domestication of animals.
Depends on what kind of domesticator are you
There are also special vegan feeds for cara with all necessary nutrients. That would be the best option
The only option would be lab made meat and dairy.
I think Arvind you faltered here.. i think you too should research more on this...
According to my experience around street cats , they are living on breads , roti , other leftovers we are giving to them.
Leaving a grieving cat like that on street atleast my conscience will not allow that at all.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
-----------------------------------
Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
It's not hipocrisy if we kill other animals to feed one, considering that we have included one animal in our tribe, but not the other. It's the way of the wild, which humans tend to complicate with modern morality. Nevertheless, if a vegan choses to believe that it is hipocrisy, and keep a cat, they've made a bad choice, yes, but it's also bad if they chose to let a cat die on the street. That would be hipocrisy, if you claim to be an animal activist, aka selective activism. Not only that, it is more objectively beneficial to the society, including vegans, if the cat survives. If there is a cat that can be rescued, better rescue it, and give it to a shelter, or to someone who will take care of the cat, because, even if the vegan is against killing animals, it is more beneficial for the vegan to have a cat prowling the street, to unalive the rats who would otherwise plague their homes, and the homes of their loved ones.
He is not against saving the cat..he is against saving the cat on the cost of some other animal.
And it is hypocrisy if you are vegan and you are killing other animals to feed one.
Don't agree with Arvind on this... This is one of the most sensible and applicably encompassing question to ask...
Pets like cats are carnivores; dogs may be omnivores (but not sure they can have tofu for their protein intake :D ) These creatures coming from the animal shelter need to be rescued... Without being speciest; cats and dogs are mammalia with a brain and big pre-frontal cortices and hence can really feel pain as opposed to, say a cockroach. Big mammals perceive huge emotion and pain and starvation; think of an angry elephant for eg... We have the science to tell that!
Based on the situation, if no one else can really take them; give them the kindness they deserve... Make an informed choice with balance; LEAVE YOUR FIXED RULES, PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHIES. Veganism is not a religion, but PRACTICING EMPATHY AND KINDNESS IS UNIVERSAL.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
-----------------------------------
Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@RakeshXyoutube No one asked you to eat a cat or a hen or a dog or a human as is... You're not born into some world of Platonic ideals...
Tomorrow if a creature; say a dog or cat need care, are neglected and just happened to you (a diseased dog or a diseased cat in the street; or a limping dog or a blind cat and is starving on the street or one in the animal shelter needing rescue); exercise your empathy (which will come naturally; so no need to block it) and give it the care it deserves... If a situation compels intervention you have every right to intervene;
No need to act all high and mighty with your ego massaging ideals. Things like "Vegan Philosophy" are only useful when they are righteous.
Fantastic ❤
I'm a vegan.i have a cat.but iam bound to feed it whiskas.she cant survive without that feed😢.she is habituated to that food.she doesn't eat any food other than that.what is the solution for that.she literally can't hunt and eat rats n other stuff.i did a mistake 7years ago by feeding whiskas to my cat.now she became habituated to that food.whats the solution now?
King shibhi saved a pigeon by sacrificing his own flesh
Wow wow excellent very true 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
For those comparing cats to humans, please don’t forget that cats are obligate carnivores. We are not. This is why it is ok for them to kill and eat and not for us, because we have a choice they don’t.
Yeah I and millions of people made a choice to eat meat.. It's our wish.. Don't force your as$ hole agenda on us.. You be a vegan, absolutely fine.. We won't interfere..
There needs to be more research on cats on a plant-based diet. Please rescue animals over buying from a breeder. Adopt don't shop
it has been done though. there are a few vegan cat foods now. all cats really need is the taurine, and in 'normal' cat food manufacturing process the taurine is broken down due to the heat inherent in the process so it has to be re-added at the end anyway.
Vegan Cat food is an option for some cats but I have found that many pets are picky about the food they eat. The options for having companion animals becomes even more challenging for us.
They are picky about their food because they are being pampered and spoilt at the expense of the lives of other animals. they would not be picky if they had to go hungry for a while. Rats want to live just as much as cats. Please stop persecuting rats. Leave them alone.💕
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
-----------------------------------
Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@@berniv7375 I agree the main reason why street dogs even eat roti or chappati or bread is cuz we led them to cooperate , no way they could have even taste that if we didn't put them in that scenario
I'm from Pune. Didn't know how to attend this session. How do we ?
1:42 thats is totally against of nature
1:42 technically your right but it may sound bad to others only if theu think critically
If u don't like non veg..u don't eat.. don't preach others..
The answer is, it's just like saying if you don't like trafficking kids don't do it don't preach others. Think about it and if you want you can reply back. ❤
If you have a answer just do it. Don't make up your own to defend veganism. He asked a very valid question. Cats can be vegan too
How?
@@ManuKumar-xs4jf By creating cat food adding taurine and other essential nutrients.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
-----------------------------------
Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
Vegan doctors shouldn't save non vegan humans and animals?
Yes… vegans don’t invest in non-vegan companies 😂…
Vegans invest only in ethical vegan companies & get scammed😂
@@jaybolt100it seems your mental illness is getting worse.
Did you take drugs prescribed by your psychiatrist?
@@jaybolt100 Another fool we have found who is taught to mock rather than participate in active and genuine debate.
When it comes to doctors, the way of eating is a personal choice of that particular person.
Doctor is a profession. It is taught to never discriminate the patient.
But, circumstances can lead to this action also which is stated by you.
If a human is cannibal and is hurt and needs help, why would a doctor help him, as he know that after the recovery, that cannibal will eat the doctor for food himself.
Thers a difference between humans and non human animals. Arvind has alredy clarified this in pre iois videos..human should be given 1st priority because he has the ability to think..and change himslef for betterment nomatter he is vegan or non vegan
But in the similar way, I am just asking not opposing....
Should we only rescue a vegan person in a life-death scenario?
It depends on once personal morals ! If you ask me personally I would say 'not necessarily' because of the fact that a person could be non-vegan just because of social conditioning, I wish he/she should be given a choice to reconsider their morals and show the same in actions
Oh thats weird Arvind, I didnt see that coming at all as a vegan and a huge admirer of yours. I am not sure how to think about it eventhough you make sense. You could be surprised cats could go vegan too?
Cats can be vegan if they are trained from birth
Sir but you are normalizing the pain of cat, only because that it Is a carnivore.. You were telling humans are not responsible for that cat's death. So when such times you are ready to leave all carnivore to death only because you are not responsible but you are victim..
Cat can eat wheat biscuit and roti like stuff they all drink milk ..
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I have two cats and i eat fully plant based , the cats eat about 60 percent plants . ive been transitioning to a vegan formula one called evolution diet and two benevo. The bulk dry kibble is a good price , but the wet food is very pricey. I still buy dry fish and some wet food with meat , it is an ethical dilemma .
yes I can understand your dilemma.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
Leave this guy in jungle and ask him to train animals to be vegan, then he will understand how the world actually works. Not humans only live on earth.
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So should India save tigers or should we let them die just because they will consume other organisms
In veganism, only herbivore animals should be rescued…
In veganism, carnivores like cat, tiger, leopards should not be rescued
I don't agree this time. It is like saying that I won't save tigers because they are carnivores. Unfortunately they are built that way and we need them. It's not the animal's fault
What about the animals that will suffer. Why does the tigers life matter more than 50 deers?
@bb9a Bro it does. We have a save tiger project especially for it. Madhya pradesh had more deer population hence we had to put some cheetahs there to balance the population. That's nature.
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
There is good vegan cat food available.
Seriously? Which brand?
Its available(ami/benovo vegan cat food) but its way too expensive, just avoid cats
@@Piyush_jain_9i understand what u r trying to say but i do hav a cat from past 7 years and it has been attached to us. I cant abandon it just like that. If there are vegan options i myt as well try that
@@amoghaithal516Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they need nutrients found in meat. While vegan cat food exists, it doesn't change their biological needs. Many vets warn that a vegan diet can cause serious health issues for cats.
@@NinadRb-t4r do you honestly think that the people making vegan cat food didn't do the hard work and research? just think for a few seconds!!!!! FFS.
Anyway, cats need taurine. taurine is mostly destroyed in the 'normal' cat food making process anyway due to heat, so it gets added back at the end.
People who have good heart and help stray cats and dogs are already very low and you are trying to reducing it.
rice and lentils
Just because the cat is going to kill more lives so I won't save it makes no sense,we must do all in our capacity to help ,what happens after the cat is saved is not under our control
No, it doesn't make sense!
I agree with the first conclusion - Don't kill any animal to save a predator!
And I absolutely DISAGREE with "let predators do what they do"!
First - the Reduction of Suffering is a Good argument! This ONE predator will kill MANY sentient beings in its life! And if it Dies, then a lot of suffering will be prevented!
And it makes sense in a human context too. Let say a Mentally challenged human attacks and kills other (mentally challenged) humans. Is it a good thing to Stop him, even if we have to kill him? Yes, it is.
That would be the case with predators - Remove them in Any Way possible! And why do you think, we can't do anything! We can do A LOT actually! And we should!
Then we will control the population of Herbivores! We can do that too!
So, yes, we Must step into the nature!
And of course, save the chickens and pigeons from cats in the civilization!
And no, we can not say in all cases, that if a human Doesn't help, he\she is not a Bad human!
If a (small) child is drowning in a little pond (50 centimeters), and you Don't Help, then you are DEFINITELY a Very BAD Person!
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
question: if you had a gun , and came across a tiger about to kill 2 baby deer, would you kill the tiger, and save two lives or would you do nothing and save one life(the tiger's) , because according to your logic, killing the tiger would be more ethical. (assuming that the tiger is starving and if it does not eat the 2 deer, it will die). You had also said that if you came across a dying cat , you would not rescue it, probably because you were worried about it going and killing other animals. Now apply it to humans, according to your logic, the tending of an army doctor to an injured soldier would be unethical, because he might go and kill enemy soldiers,(assume that the soldier was defending his countries, border). If you were a children's doctor ,according to your logic , it would be unethical to treat a dying or sick child, because he might end up being a serial killer one day. what has the cat ever done to you bro, if you have to power to heal a sick and innocent cat, why would you not do so? According to your logic, if you were a doctor, and one day decided to be a vegan, you would not treat an injured mma fighter,boxer,kickboxer etc... just because the might go hurt somebody after getting healed
I think veganism should be for humans
Rest other animals are the part food chain
Cats being bought tinned flesh from the supermarket is not part of the food chain.
@ but indoor cats are vulnerable to outside world. No harm in giving food to animals who can get it on their own sometimes
@@Tectme_itsaadi But there is harm in giving them "food" if that "food" consists of dead animal parts. Literal harm, the animals have literally been killed. Also no cat is naturally an "indoor" cat. Cats should not be made to stay indoors.
Oh i had the same question because I have cat . And I also want to become vegan
Yes. I feed my dog idli and chutney 😅
i have dog and it's 9 year old you don't believe me he only eat roti wheat roti 4to 5 in morning and 5 to 6 at night and he is totally healthy he ran he to everything
Sir, you believe utilitarianism.
No, he doesn't but I can see why you would think that
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
I have 4 stray cats, 2 cats in home and other 2 I feed. So didn't get the logic from the answer. I won't help and leave the cat to die, only because it eats meat. We humans can only change our diet because we decide what to eat and not to. But we can't change the food chain. There are many living beings which are not vegetarian. Does that mean A vegan should not help. Many people are working on saving animals from extinction. I think those people are not vegan or both the animals and persons are Vegan. Didn't expect that reply from you. Please correct me if wrong.
Arvind,cats are not obligate carnivores.
Studies and research have proven this,they can be very healthy and thrive on a well balanced plant diet.
It is all about the nutrients not the ingredients.
If you had access to vegan cat food would you still let the cat die ?
Let's Assume
A Cat = A Hen ( as we look both are same and with vegan perspective) ......eq-1
Eating a Cat = Eating a Hen ......eq-2
Giving cat / dog / human flesh to other animals = giving hen / fish flesh to dogs and cats ......eq -3
Rescuing A cat = Rescuing A Shark ( both are obligate Carnivorous).....eq-4
Buying Other Animals flesh for Cats / Dogs = Buying Cat / Dog flesh for A rescued Shark ....eq-5
From the above 5 eq.
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Human cause Cruelty >>>>> Natural cruelty ( 98 persent cruelty are because of humans ,so we should first figure out human cause )
Saving More Animals >>>>> Saving one Animal
(only For One Animal Don't kill multiple Animals Don't be a part of it )
Seeing 1000 Animals slaughtering in the front ( because of human ) but going to rescue a injured Cat ( which is naturally harmed ) ((Biggest Hipocrissy))
@RakeshXyoutube you are misunderstanding my question.
Please re-read and forget the assumption that cats are obligate carnivores, they are not.
@@jjradV right but it's better think again people will not understand that ,that's the fact because I found 90 persent or more vegans buying meat for their pets sad but truth
I found 90 persent of vegan buying meats for their pets they don't understand what I say better
I used to appreciate your views in most clips, but today with cat issue you went down.
Pls answer me, will you let your child to die and not vaccinate or cure them. By these two, you are killing bacteria or virus which is also another life. Another example, if a wild dog is hungry, and attacks your child to fill its hunger. What you will do ?. Stop the dog and allow it to die of hunger or allow it to munch on your child.
I unsubscribed this channel. If you hate cats, you can't truly love anyone. If you're comfortable in watching a cat's death, you're not an animal activist. I raised my four cats by feeding them only milk, milk rice, and occasional treats. This is the first time I've ever hated a vegan.
P.S. I'm vegetarian and very rarely consume dairy products.