- Poor road surface: check - Primary position appropriate due to narrowing of road and roadworks: check - Sensible speed (including not too slow either): check Your cycling was textbook. The driver was a moron.
If I just saw the front view I would have made the wrong judgement about you. I am glad you had a rear view camera, which explained everything clearly. I cannot see that you did anything wrong here! Your positioning was spot on and you were very much aware of the traffic conditions. The car driver clearly has unresolved anger issues.
The driver needs to accept that you have every right to use the road as you did. The pot holes and dangerous road surfaces these days force you to ride further out than in the past. He still couldn’t overtake safely with that oncoming traffic. He just doesn’t know his Highway Code does he 🙈
It was obvious that you're another bell end cyclist who is out to antagonise motorists for the sake of a cheap toutube clip. Your line around the roundabouts was attrocious
Hope you reported this selfish driver to the police so that at least a record will be made against the vehicle... clearly this entitled selfish person will do it again to someone else or maybe doing something worse. And if that happens, having prior history things may be different for him. Textbook cycling.
P.S. Where i live (Cheshire), vehicle intelligence like this is shared with insurers. So even if police just send them a letter, still worth it in my opinion.
If I was you I would have enjoyed knowing he’s getting more and more frustrated behind you. What a clown haha. You did absolutely nothing wrong! Perfect cycling.
There is a lot of anti-cycling hatred where I live, and I have had a lot of unprovoked abuse, objects thrown at me from passing cars, and cars crossing over onto my side of the road to deliberately drive at me. Car-drivers don't want Cyclists to ride on the road, they complain if we ride on the path, and complain even louder when cycle-lanes are installed. Make your minds up - what do you want?
@@Tailspin80 I live in Norfolk at the moment, near Norwich; which is possibly one of the least cycle-friendly places I have ever cycled. Here, they still think that painting a picture of a bicycle on an existing footpath somehow makes it a bike-lane, except it doesn't. I have cycled all over this country, Europe, and New Zealand, so this is based on my own experiences and observations.
@@Teapot-Dave I live in Herts between Rickmansworth and Amersham. Most drivers are well behaved although it depends on when you ride. Go out on a Monday morning and people are in a real rush, particularly builders vans etc. Weekend is much better.
@@Tailspin80 The daily school run can be fraught with problems too; plenty of short-tempers on show there. When my son was younger, I used to take him to school on my bike with a child-saddle fixed to my crossbar. I could ride right up to the school through the staff car-park, drop him off and be on my way home again before most of the car-people had even parked. Most of them lived within easy walking distance to the school, but they still drove there and back every day. Seemingly they are unable to consider bicycles as a viable option for uncluttering the streets; and therein lies a microcosm of a much bigger problem.
Only a couple of days ago I had some tw@t in a car behind me, blasting his hooter at me for going straight ahead at a traffic-island, when he wanted to overtake me to turn left. The standard of driving in this country is absolutely appalling, and I honestly believe that a driving-licence should only be valid for ten-years, and then when the photo I.D needs to be updated, everyone should have to take another driving-test before their new licence is issued.
@@Teapot-Dave I virtually have already.ordinarily the wife drives me everywhere but when she is unavailable I taxi it for cash.cheaper than motoring costs.
I don't engage with these clowns and I get a lot of them, you handled it well, why don;'t report it to the local plod as you have the footage a letter or a chat normally addresses the issue. ~Trooper
@@trooperthatsall5250 No point in reporting to police. I used to. But then found out that they don't prosecute many motorists at all. They mainly dish out warning letters. So I don't see rhe point anymore. I would have ignored him, but just thought some simple 'no' responses would help. He can't go around thinking he can just tell cyclists to get out of his way. Thanks for your reply.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire understood, there is a change coming and I know that insurance companies now take in metrics from the Police reports, there is a check box now that asks are you happy to share the footage on. Ride Safe ~Trooper
@CyclingSouthLincolnshire I get why you said you didn't report it but for the sake of a few minutes reporting it, it's not much time and the police could have surprised you by taking action, because they haven't in the past doesn't mean they won't in the future. that's my logic.
@@craigambrose4375 I thought it was 12mph. Anyhow, you are right, but nobody cares. I've had loads of close passes over a solid white line along this section of road. Drivers moan about cyclists, but completely fail to follow the rules themselves.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire 129 Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
You did nothing wrong, I'd have taken the lane as there was no room for him to overtake anyway. In my experience, drivers who shout at you from the car never get out if you confront them. They usually develop a deep interest in something on their dashboard.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire As a fellow Lincolnshire cyclist, I'd very much appreciate if you did report this. A warning letter is much better than nothing.
@@MrManningata Yes. Had one before. Why do you say that? Are you implying that cyclists shouldn't use the road? When the new lane is open, it will probably be better to use the road due to the lack of safety features and increased lanes at the crossing points.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire quite the opposite - cyclists shouldn't have to share with cars. I think Lincolnshire needs a lot more bike lanes, and the ones shoehorned in around Lincoln are quite poor. New bespoke cycle lanes are what's needed. Interesting to see your opinion on crossing points, we have to see how it works out when it's open.
@@MrManningata unfortunately, I do believe there will be a collision at the crossing points involving a cyclist or pedestrian. LCC Highways haven't placed anything other than tactile paving there. They should have built the footbridge that was in the original plans. And if not that, put some signals on the crossings. They didn't do that because it was too expensive and would affect traffic flow, apparently.
I am not a cyclist and some annoy me but , it was not a nice road surface and anyway there was at no time sufficient room for him to overtake you safely . However, at the roundabout you could have moved left to allow him to come alongside and accelerate ahead.
The roundabout has a lot of HGVs using it, including one waiting to join at the next entrance point, as well as all the cones, etc, from the roadworks. The last thing you want to be doing as a cyclist is keeping left around the edge of the roundabout where you will be least visible. As both a cyclist and a car driver, I would be planning to take up a position behind the cyclist around the roundabout, as I know the cyclist is there but other vehicles may not so I can screen and protect them from anything behind. I can do my overtaking after the roundabout at a time and place when it is safe to do so.
@ronmarking3776 - On a trip to Spain, a cyclist in our group was riding alone, came to a roundabout, and moved to the outside as you suggest. He needed to take the SECOND exit. A car entered at speed behind him, assumed that because he was on the outside he would be taking the FIRST exit, and decided to pass him in the roundabout. Collision!! This is one of the reasons why vehicles should not pass in a roundabout, and cyclists should not take the outer lane unless they are making the next exit.
So, I was behind a group of three cyclists on a single-track road with passing places. There are many roads like that where I live. Do you think that they thought of letting me pass? They positioned perfectly to avoid letting me pass, even glancing backwards at the passing areas. I wish I felt as self-righteous and perfect as you seem to be and agreed that they have a "right" to do that. And I cycle, too, on road bikes and mountain bikes. I'd consider it good manners to let someone pass even if I feel "in the right" to block them. You have no idea what the other person's needs or urgency is. Get real. As someone else pointed out, you hogged the roundabout when you could have easily gone wide on the outside.
@robinrother1799 - Depends. What was the speed limit on this single track? How fast were the 3 cyclists going? Was there a downhill ahead where the cyclists might go much faster (remember speed limit doesn't apply to bicycles)? Personally if a car is behind me approaching the bottom of a steep uphill or a curvy stretch, I'll pull aside rather than have them chewing on my butt. Much more peaceful. But if they're going to be holding me up, I won't pull over.
Cyclist seem to really enjoy testing the FAFO game. And in this day and age? With all the mentally ill out and about? Bold my guy. Hell, even this video; If that guy was a psycho, he could have just gave you a tap at the 1:40 mark of the video and it would be lights out. You may have had the right to the road, but you'd be right and six feet under. Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. Don't learn this the hard way.
You could show some respect for other road users and let faster vehicles pass you instead of being a selfish road hog! Your sort of cycling gets responsible cyclists a bad name!!
@@jerrytaylor78 Bearing in mind the fact that other drivers were able to pass me absolutely fine, the fact that the moron in the video didn't catch up with me until we were around a roadwork area, and the fact that I didn't do anything wrong, I'd love to know how you would have done it differently. It will probably involve riding in secondary all of the time, or stepping onto the pavement out of of way. 😅 Just because you have been a cyclist for fifty years means absolutely nothing. I guess you are lucky you never had to share a road with this driver. The fact that you have even questioned what I did indicates you've probably been a poor cyclist for fifty years. Fancy learning something? One final point- I didn't cause this road rage. It was the driver creating the problem.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire Agree with your cycling and your post. Funny, I'm 78, still cycle on the road, began as a child probably before I was 10. But not too old to change. Recently I've been taking primary more (as a result of UK YT videos) and find it really works. Fewer people stuffing past me going into blind corners and crests. Root of the problem is that vehicles, especially cars, have gotten wider but lanes have not. Even my modest Toyota is 7' wide, making side by side sketchy in the typical 12' lane.
Jerry, I'm pretty sure the Highway Code says when taking primary position allow faster cars to pass "If it is safe to do so". That lane was narrow due to roadworks and he was approaching a junction at a roundabout therefore it was not safe for the cyclist to do so.
The car driver is wrong but I feel you are also wrong and endangering yourself by cutting straight across islands where there is obviously 2 lanes and therefore room for two vehicles. Cars do the same and are also wrong.
If you’re talking about 0:45 I disagree. It’s a one lane entry, one lane exit and no lane markings on the roundabout. You’re suggesting the cyclist moves across so that the car can accelerate hard and squeeze in before the exit. No thanks.
@@adriannettleship I agree on a roundabout with two or three lanes, even where they are not marked but implied. It really annoys me when you are going round in your lane and someone just straight lines the roundabout forcing you to brake or collide. But at 0:45 this wasn’t the situation. The roundabout layout was a mess with no obvious lanes and only one lane in and out. Better to take primary position on the bike and go through it quickly to prevent a dangerous pass IMO. Also the cyclist more or less keeps up with traffic and is soon behind the learner again.
Maybe both you and the driver think the cycle lane under construction is ready to be used. Clearly not the case as the surface is hardcore and manhole covers are sticking up from it.
@@charleswrigley Oh boo-hoo, poor you. It must be so annoying for you that there are so many cyclists and other road-users out there ruining your journey.
Looks like you were in the centre of the road at times primary was not needed such as from 03:05 to 03:19. The fact a second driver was telling you this after the first went on his way seems to confirm this. In this case, the beeps were because you were hogging the road when you didnt need to , not just because you were on the road. Alot of commenters who I asume are cyclists, say your positioning is perfect which I would disregard as they always take the side of the cyclists and hate motorists, a cyclist can do no wrong to them. By the way , I am an advanced driver and motorbike rider, but my main transport is the bicycle as just as much fun and keeps you fit.. I have been beeped at myself on the bicycle though while riding perfectly, which I find amusing and forcefully pulled over once, the later driver being prosecuted by the police.
Are you serious? The front view is at the beginning of the video, the clip from the back view is the same incident, just only the back camera! And sorry, but the timestamp you posted shows clearly there is not enough room to overtake safely, even if he was hitting the curb, as there was oncoming traffic.
On approach to the 1st roundabout - Rule 129: Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. After the 1st roundabout - Rule 130: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right. If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so. If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency. Cyclist was also approaching a works area which reduced the available lane width. By maintaining primary on approach it reduces the risk of a dodgy overtake in the coned section. Also primary position is called primary because it's primary, as in, where a cyclist should be. They may move into secondary when they deem it's safe to do so. But you're an advanced driver so you knew all that already.
You think he stayed in primary for a whole 14 seconds too long? So therefore you think 14 seconds is long enough to perform an overtake over cross hatches with roadworks on the left and oncoming vehicles? The car is also nowhere near close enough at that point either. Advanced driver? Seriously?
Now look at it from the front camera at 0:45. It’s one lane in, one lane out and a short stretch without lane markings on the roundabout itself. You really want that loony trying to squeeze past you there???! Entry to exit was 8 seconds. Not a lot of time for the car to accelerate, pass safely 1.5m away and get back in for the exit.
Another cyclist who has no highway code manners. Why did he wrongly assume he could ride in the middle of the road? Luckily in my area cyclists know how to behave and don't have issues with car drivers. I think the cyclist needs to stop being selfish and blend in with other road users.
The rear view beginning at 2:22 seems to suggest that you were out quite far from the kerb, but it's too difficult to tell, really, and the front view doesn't make it clear. But given the state of the roads, you may have been cautious of the gutter area. I go much slower than you, so I cycle on the path. It's just not worth losing your life over, really. When I come across a walker, I either slow right down to almost nothing, or briefly go onto the road if there are no vehicles. I'm 65 and this method has kept me here!
Not a dig at you, just facts relevant to the discord. It’s highly advised that on narrower roads cyclists take the primary position to further discourage unsafe overtakes. Lets do some maths:- Cyclist should be approx 50cm out in the road. Allow a further 20cm for the body, then the 1.5m clearance required in the Highway Code, and you have 2.1m out from the kerb for the car to pass safely; that’s well over the right side of the road. Many drivers will close the 1.5m down to less than 0.5 to not be so far over. That, right there, is Why it’s advised to take Primary Position, i.e. further out than 50cm.
We all have to decide for ourselves how we cycle. Personally, I feel less safe riding on a shared pedestrian/cycle footway than riding in the road. You take your life in your hands at every side-street and every driveway. I'm 73 and cycle 15 miles [purely for leisure] most days.
Not at all! Just a bit of patience and courtesy to others who share the roads would be nice. Would this ignorant impatient driver beep and shout at a bus or lorry or police car that was in front of him? I very much doubt it. No-one owns the road, but cyclists have to ride defensively to protect themselves as they are much more vulnerable than those in their insulated tin boxes.
@@frankhooper7871 the cyclist was determined to stop the car from passing. That, to me, is being pedantic and more likely to get himself into a lot of unnecessary pain
- Poor road surface: check
- Primary position appropriate due to narrowing of road and roadworks: check
- Sensible speed (including not too slow either): check
Your cycling was textbook. The driver was a moron.
@@Haze1434 Thanks.
If I just saw the front view I would have made the wrong judgement about you. I am glad you had a rear view camera, which explained everything clearly. I cannot see that you did anything wrong here! Your positioning was spot on and you were very much aware of the traffic conditions. The car driver clearly has unresolved anger issues.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
The driver needs to accept that you have every right to use the road as you did. The pot holes and dangerous road surfaces these days force you to ride further out than in the past. He still couldn’t overtake safely with that oncoming traffic. He just doesn’t know his Highway Code does he 🙈
Road positioning was perfect. Good speed too. Pathetic aren't they?
@@godofcycling Indeed. 😀
It was obvious that you're another bell end cyclist who is out to antagonise motorists for the sake of a cheap toutube clip. Your line around the roundabouts was attrocious
Hope you reported this selfish driver to the police so that at least a record will be made against the vehicle... clearly this entitled selfish person will do it again to someone else or maybe doing something worse. And if that happens, having prior history things may be different for him.
Textbook cycling.
P.S. Where i live (Cheshire), vehicle intelligence like this is shared with insurers. So even if police just send them a letter, still worth it in my opinion.
@@jsva8661 Thanks. I wasn't going to, but based on the comments I have had, I think it's a good idea.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshiremight want to put the video as “private” until you know the outcome.
If I was you I would have enjoyed knowing he’s getting more and more frustrated behind you. What a clown haha. You did absolutely nothing wrong! Perfect cycling.
Only downside to that is if they drive into you. I'd rather avoid that. 😂
He would be the same guy who would moan at you for being on the path too 🙄🤣
I agree ,
Probably annoyed because your bike is worth more than his cr*pot old car 😏
@@pootlingalong8928 😄
There is a lot of anti-cycling hatred where I live, and I have had a lot of unprovoked abuse, objects thrown at me from passing cars, and cars crossing over onto my side of the road to deliberately drive at me.
Car-drivers don't want Cyclists to ride on the road, they complain if we ride on the path, and complain even louder when cycle-lanes are installed.
Make your minds up - what do you want?
Where do you cycle? Drivers are fairly considerate where I cycle and give you space etc. Not all - there are always a few idiots but most are ok.
@@Tailspin80 I live in Norfolk at the moment, near Norwich; which is possibly one of the least cycle-friendly places I have ever cycled.
Here, they still think that painting a picture of a bicycle on an existing footpath somehow makes it a bike-lane, except it doesn't.
I have cycled all over this country, Europe, and New Zealand, so this is based on my own experiences and observations.
@@Teapot-Dave I live in Herts between Rickmansworth and Amersham. Most drivers are well behaved although it depends on when you ride. Go out on a Monday morning and people are in a real rush, particularly builders vans etc. Weekend is much better.
@@Tailspin80 The daily school run can be fraught with problems too; plenty of short-tempers on show there.
When my son was younger, I used to take him to school on my bike with a child-saddle fixed to my crossbar. I could ride right up to the school through the staff car-park, drop him off and be on my way home again before most of the car-people had even parked.
Most of them lived within easy walking distance to the school, but they still drove there and back every day. Seemingly they are unable to consider bicycles as a viable option for uncluttering the streets; and therein lies a microcosm of a much bigger problem.
Only a couple of days ago I had some tw@t in a car behind me, blasting his hooter at me for going straight ahead at a traffic-island, when he wanted to overtake me to turn left.
The standard of driving in this country is absolutely appalling, and I honestly believe that a driving-licence should only be valid for ten-years, and then when the photo I.D needs to be updated, everyone should have to take another driving-test before their new licence is issued.
I agree. Should have a compulsory refresher or re test after 10 years.
Sod off😂 I'll end up having to take the bus.😢
@@alarmactionukalarmactionuk893 Better surrender your licence now then.
@@Teapot-Dave I virtually have already.ordinarily the wife drives me everywhere but when she is unavailable I taxi it for cash.cheaper than motoring costs.
So many car drivers telling cyclists how to cycle having never done it
Two fingers! Angry man.
Big bully in a crap car, pathetic.
I don't engage with these clowns and I get a lot of them, you handled it well, why don;'t report it to the local plod as you have the footage a letter or a chat normally addresses the issue. ~Trooper
@@trooperthatsall5250 No point in reporting to police. I used to. But then found out that they don't prosecute many motorists at all. They mainly dish out warning letters. So I don't see rhe point anymore. I would have ignored him, but just thought some simple 'no' responses would help. He can't go around thinking he can just tell cyclists to get out of his way. Thanks for your reply.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire understood, there is a change coming and I know that insurance companies now take in metrics from the Police reports, there is a check box now that asks are you happy to share the footage on. Ride Safe ~Trooper
@@trooperthatsall5250 Interesting. Thanks for letting me know.
@CyclingSouthLincolnshire I get why you said you didn't report it but for the sake of a few minutes reporting it, it's not much time and the police could have surprised you by taking action, because they haven't in the past doesn't mean they won't in the future. that's my logic.
Why not use the conjoined cycle and footpath that was clearly marked with a sign on a lamppost then frikkin simples ain't
Chubby kia driver needs to be off the road
I’d be pissed off at everyone as well if I had to drive around in a Kia Sedona 😅😅😅
Aha,.. fairly typical of Kia owners to get angry easily and take it out on others as they have the regrest of buying a Kia hanging over them....
KIA=keep it away.
That’s why I never go out without my cameras fully charged
Fact : Solid White line means if the cyclist is going faster than 10mph, legally you can't overtake them.
@@craigambrose4375 I thought it was 12mph. Anyhow, you are right, but nobody cares. I've had loads of close passes over a solid white line along this section of road. Drivers moan about cyclists, but completely fail to follow the rules themselves.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire 129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
@@craigambrose4375 Well, I'm easily going faster than 10mph when they do it. 😁
You did nothing wrong, I'd have taken the lane as there was no room for him to overtake anyway. In my experience, drivers who shout at you from the car never get out if you confront them. They usually develop a deep interest in something on their dashboard.
As usual he would have gotten absolutely nowhere as well.
Cycling on the roads these days is a dangerous sport 🫣
@@trekshogun Indeed. Because of poor driving. I wasn't even cycling for sport that day. Has gone into town to run some errands.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire I tend to stick to mostly country roads these days 👍 stay safe out there !
I would suggest you send that footage to the police, you’ll get a visit,in no time
@@badgical640 No point. I've reported in the past and they mostly send out warning letters. I seriously doubt they would bother visiting this driver.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire As a fellow Lincolnshire cyclist, I'd very much appreciate if you did report this. A warning letter is much better than nothing.
@@adambro5480 Okay. Will do. Didn't really think it worth it, but based on the comments, I'll give it a go.
You owe it to the rest of us to report dodgy driving @@CyclingSouthLincolnshire
Only single file, need patience and look for safe overtake
What a dog botherer. You stayed very calm. Kudos to you!
@@wellsee123 Thanks. 😁
Not a nice road to cycle on. I see the roads in Lincolnshire are just as poorly maintained as the roads in Suffolk.
They are rubbish. Cycle paths not much better either.
The driver managed to break almost all of the bullet points in Highway Code rule 147! I’d definitely upload it to the police.
There is just no accounting for some people... at least, that is what my mother used to tell me.
Springfields roundabout or thereabouts? You'll have your own cycle lane to use soon!
@@MrManningata Yes. Had one before. Why do you say that? Are you implying that cyclists shouldn't use the road? When the new lane is open, it will probably be better to use the road due to the lack of safety features and increased lanes at the crossing points.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire quite the opposite - cyclists shouldn't have to share with cars. I think Lincolnshire needs a lot more bike lanes, and the ones shoehorned in around Lincoln are quite poor. New bespoke cycle lanes are what's needed. Interesting to see your opinion on crossing points, we have to see how it works out when it's open.
@@MrManningata unfortunately, I do believe there will be a collision at the crossing points involving a cyclist or pedestrian. LCC Highways haven't placed anything other than tactile paving there. They should have built the footbridge that was in the original plans. And if not that, put some signals on the crossings. They didn't do that because it was too expensive and would affect traffic flow, apparently.
I am not a cyclist and some annoy me but , it was not a nice road surface and anyway there was at no time sufficient room for him to overtake you safely . However, at the roundabout you could have moved left to allow him to come alongside and accelerate ahead.
The roundabout has a lot of HGVs using it, including one waiting to join at the next entrance point, as well as all the cones, etc, from the roadworks. The last thing you want to be doing as a cyclist is keeping left around the edge of the roundabout where you will be least visible. As both a cyclist and a car driver, I would be planning to take up a position behind the cyclist around the roundabout, as I know the cyclist is there but other vehicles may not so I can screen and protect them from anything behind. I can do my overtaking after the roundabout at a time and place when it is safe to do so.
the cyclist had practically cleared the roundabout when the car entered it.
I am allowed to block traffic.😂😂
@ronmarking3776 - On a trip to Spain, a cyclist in our group was riding alone, came to a roundabout, and moved to the outside as you suggest. He needed to take the SECOND exit. A car entered at speed behind him, assumed that because he was on the outside he would be taking the FIRST exit, and decided to pass him in the roundabout. Collision!! This is one of the reasons why vehicles should not pass in a roundabout, and cyclists should not take the outer lane unless they are making the next exit.
So, I was behind a group of three cyclists on a single-track road with passing places. There are many roads like that where I live. Do you think that they thought of letting me pass? They positioned perfectly to avoid letting me pass, even glancing backwards at the passing areas. I wish I felt as self-righteous and perfect as you seem to be and agreed that they have a "right" to do that. And I cycle, too, on road bikes and mountain bikes. I'd consider it good manners to let someone pass even if I feel "in the right" to block them. You have no idea what the other person's needs or urgency is. Get real. As someone else pointed out, you hogged the roundabout when you could have easily gone wide on the outside.
Read the reply to why the cyclist was correct to stop where he did and not at the roundabout .
OK chap. 😂
@robinrother1799 - Depends. What was the speed limit on this single track? How fast were the 3 cyclists going? Was there a downhill ahead where the cyclists might go much faster (remember speed limit doesn't apply to bicycles)? Personally if a car is behind me approaching the bottom of a steep uphill or a curvy stretch, I'll pull aside rather than have them chewing on my butt. Much more peaceful. But if they're going to be holding me up, I won't pull over.
Ridin the middle of the road , cars maybe beeping you to let you know they’re there, cyclist riding wide deliberately looking for conflict
@@bernardmcmahon351 OK dude. 😅
@bernardmcmahon351 do you really believe what you have written
@@alanwllms5172 yep, and more
@@stevedawson256 You think this horn usage was to let me know they were there? If so, why the longer horn usage just before I turned off the road? 😅🥰
Do you meaning cycling in the middle of the narrow lane ?
Cyclist seem to really enjoy testing the FAFO game. And in this day and age? With all the mentally ill out and about? Bold my guy.
Hell, even this video; If that guy was a psycho, he could have just gave you a tap at the 1:40 mark of the video and it would be lights out. You may have had the right to the road, but you'd be right and six feet under. Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. Don't learn this the hard way.
You could show some respect for other road users and let faster vehicles pass you instead of being a selfish road hog! Your sort of cycling gets responsible cyclists a bad name!!
Your comment is funny because you have no idea what you are talking about. 😂
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire I've been a cyclist for fifty years and have never been the cause of road rage.
@@jerrytaylor78 Bearing in mind the fact that other drivers were able to pass me absolutely fine, the fact that the moron in the video didn't catch up with me until we were around a roadwork area, and the fact that I didn't do anything wrong, I'd love to know how you would have done it differently. It will probably involve riding in secondary all of the time, or stepping onto the pavement out of of way. 😅 Just because you have been a cyclist for fifty years means absolutely nothing. I guess you are lucky you never had to share a road with this driver. The fact that you have even questioned what I did indicates you've probably been a poor cyclist for fifty years. Fancy learning something? One final point- I didn't cause this road rage. It was the driver creating the problem.
@@CyclingSouthLincolnshire Agree with your cycling and your post. Funny, I'm 78, still cycle on the road, began as a child probably before I was 10. But not too old to change. Recently I've been taking primary more (as a result of UK YT videos) and find it really works. Fewer people stuffing past me going into blind corners and crests. Root of the problem is that vehicles, especially cars, have gotten wider but lanes have not. Even my modest Toyota is 7' wide, making side by side sketchy in the typical 12' lane.
Jerry, I'm pretty sure the Highway Code says when taking primary position allow faster cars to pass "If it is safe to do so". That lane was narrow due to roadworks and he was approaching a junction at a roundabout therefore it was not safe for the cyclist to do so.
The car driver is wrong but I feel you are also wrong and endangering yourself by cutting straight across islands where there is obviously 2 lanes and therefore room for two vehicles. Cars do the same and are also wrong.
time stamp the two lanes
If you’re talking about 0:45 I disagree. It’s a one lane entry, one lane exit and no lane markings on the roundabout. You’re suggesting the cyclist moves across so that the car can accelerate hard and squeeze in before the exit. No thanks.
I was saying that he was putting himself in more danger by doing that, especially if it is a habit of his.
@@adriannettleship What, staying in the single lane that is not blocked off by cones? Where are these obvious two lanes, can you time stamp them?
@@adriannettleship I agree on a roundabout with two or three lanes, even where they are not marked but implied. It really annoys me when you are going round in your lane and someone just straight lines the roundabout forcing you to brake or collide. But at 0:45 this wasn’t the situation. The roundabout layout was a mess with no obvious lanes and only one lane in and out. Better to take primary position on the bike and go through it quickly to prevent a dangerous pass IMO. Also the cyclist more or less keeps up with traffic and is soon behind the learner again.
We shouldn't have to put up with cyclists not using cycle paths or conjoined cycle paths when they are there to be used
can you time stamp the cycle lane?
Maybe both you and the driver think the cycle lane under construction is ready to be used. Clearly not the case as the surface is hardcore and manhole covers are sticking up from it.
You think something behind a barrier is there to be used? 😂 It doesn't matter anyway because cycle path usage isn't mandatory.
@@charleswrigley Oh boo-hoo, poor you. It must be so annoying for you that there are so many cyclists and other road-users out there ruining your journey.
@@Teapot-Dave such a dick
Looks like you were in the centre of the road at times primary was not needed such as from 03:05 to 03:19. The fact a second driver was telling you this after the first went on his way seems to confirm this. In this case, the beeps were because you were hogging the road when you didnt need to , not just because you were on the road.
Alot of commenters who I asume are cyclists, say your positioning is perfect which I would disregard as they always take the side of the cyclists and hate motorists, a cyclist can do no wrong to them.
By the way , I am an advanced driver and motorbike rider, but my main transport is the bicycle as just as much fun and keeps you fit.. I have been beeped at myself on the bicycle though while riding perfectly, which I find amusing and forcefully pulled over once, the later driver being prosecuted by the police.
Are you serious? The front view is at the beginning of the video, the clip from the back view is the same incident, just only the back camera! And sorry, but the timestamp you posted shows clearly there is not enough room to overtake safely, even if he was hitting the curb, as there was oncoming traffic.
On approach to the 1st roundabout -
Rule 129: Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
After the 1st roundabout -
Rule 130: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right. If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so. If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Cyclist was also approaching a works area which reduced the available lane width. By maintaining primary on approach it reduces the risk of a dodgy overtake in the coned section. Also primary position is called primary because it's primary, as in, where a cyclist should be. They may move into secondary when they deem it's safe to do so.
But you're an advanced driver so you knew all that already.
You think he stayed in primary for a whole 14 seconds too long? So therefore you think 14 seconds is long enough to perform an overtake over cross hatches with roadworks on the left and oncoming vehicles? The car is also nowhere near close enough at that point either. Advanced driver? Seriously?
Now look at it from the front camera at 0:45. It’s one lane in, one lane out and a short stretch without lane markings on the roundabout itself. You really want that loony trying to squeeze past you there???! Entry to exit was 8 seconds. Not a lot of time for the car to accelerate, pass safely 1.5m away and get back in for the exit.
Another cyclist who has no highway code manners. Why did he wrongly assume he could ride in the middle of the road? Luckily in my area cyclists know how to behave and don't have issues with car drivers. I think the cyclist needs to stop being selfish and blend in with other road users.
@@aldwoolley Another clown comment by someone who quotes the highway code, but clearly hasn't read it. 😅
It's called primary position ? Try searching for that online.
The rear view beginning at 2:22 seems to suggest that you were out quite far from the kerb, but it's too difficult to tell, really, and the front view doesn't make it clear. But given the state of the roads, you may have been cautious of the gutter area. I go much slower than you, so I cycle on the path. It's just not worth losing your life over, really. When I come across a walker, I either slow right down to almost nothing, or briefly go onto the road if there are no vehicles. I'm 65 and this method has kept me here!
Not a dig at you, just facts relevant to the discord.
It’s highly advised that on narrower roads cyclists take the primary position to further discourage unsafe overtakes.
Lets do some maths:-
Cyclist should be approx 50cm out in the road. Allow a further 20cm for the body, then the 1.5m clearance required in the Highway Code, and you have 2.1m out from the kerb for the car to pass safely; that’s well over the right side of the road.
Many drivers will close the 1.5m down to less than 0.5 to not be so far over.
That, right there, is Why it’s advised to take Primary Position, i.e. further out than 50cm.
@@paulcollyer801 Indeed. 😀
We all have to decide for ourselves how we cycle. Personally, I feel less safe riding on a shared pedestrian/cycle footway than riding in the road. You take your life in your hands at every side-street and every driveway. I'm 73 and cycle 15 miles [purely for leisure] most days.
I hope you’re not trying to justify his actions and it’s illegal to cycle on the path even if you slow down
@@paulcollyer801 says some little know it all he doesn’t know what their talking about
Another mamil demanding that they have all the road to themselves.
Were you starved of oxygen at birth or something ? Nobody is "demanding" any such thing.
You mean unlike the pratt in the car behind with all the patience of a boiling kettle (and none of its usefulness)?
Not at all! Just a bit of patience and courtesy to others who share the roads would be nice. Would this ignorant impatient driver beep and shout at a bus or lorry or police car that was in front of him? I very much doubt it. No-one owns the road, but cyclists have to ride defensively to protect themselves as they are much more vulnerable than those in their insulated tin boxes.
Wait?!! The driver was a cyclist as well?!
@@frankhooper7871 the cyclist was determined to stop the car from passing. That, to me, is being pedantic and more likely to get himself into a lot of unnecessary pain
There where numerous sinages along the way but you choose to a be C&£T instead
The cyclist was deliberately taking up too much of the road
As required in the Highway Code.