I recommend anyone wanting to buy an R or a new car for that matter, to watch this video. Not only does it show you the break down (most just sign and can’t even understand the jibber jabber) but it also shows you that No-one should be financing 99% of the car value. As it’s a depreciating asset. Great share , liked for a solid video!
You got a great deal. My dealer wanted $10K over for a 2023 Golf R. Also my trade- 8:56 in was a 2019 Golf R with 5800 miles. They offered me $29K trade-in. The new car was like $58K-$29K or close to my Golf R and $30k to get a 2023 Golf R. Of course I walked out. I went to BMW and they offered me $39K for my Golf R and took $2K off the MSRP of a 2024 M2 that I built and ordered. I waited 2 months and got my M2 for my Golf R and $30k…almost exactly as VW wanted for the 2023 Golf R. In Oregon, there’s no sales tax except .5% on new cars and bikes. The dealer paid the sales tax as part of the deal. I got a great deal because it was my 9th new BMW from them over the past 30 years. All but 2 of the 9 cars were M cars…mostly M3’s (E36, E46, and E92’s), one E39 M5, and now a G87 M2. I will probably go back a try to buy a 2026 Golf R, which should be the last year of Golf R’s before they go electric. In 2025, the haptic buttons are gone from the steering wheel and the infotainment screen will be newer and bigger and faster with illuminated volume and temp controls finally. I do love the M2 though. Keep up the great videos!
Just to make a comparison, i bought a almost full option 2023 R in Belgium europe two months ago. Only options missing is akrapovic exhaust and winter module. MSRP was 71300 euro, i negotiated in the end to 61000 euro + 1 year extra full warranty. I also traded in my peugeot 308 2020 for 17000 euro. So i paid 44000euro for a 71000 msrp car. Was really happy with the deal i got. Totally different situation here i see, interesting video.
I just put a deposit on a white golf r that was already in production. It has the same add ons but they will not let me drop any of them including the mats. No dealer mark up. Mine will be a lease through my company which makes sense because I can write a substantial portion off on my taxes.
Well said with the written points. Do the rough math and the understand how finance works before you get to the dealership. I always finance even if I have to refinance or plan to pay it off Immediately. If it’s in the ballpark then execute the plan. And be happy with it. This is about relationship building
Hey man you got a good deal I paid above MSRP. They had all black 20th anniversary arrive on June 1 and I came back a couple days later at 8:30am to maybe work a deal. I was between golf R and RS3 I would have to order the RS3 6-8months. Long story short I arrived at the dealer basically when they opened. And started talking with the sales manager directly instead Since he was the only one there at the time. He made me aware of a older couple driving down to strike a deal at 9:00am, the older couple apparently did not come to agreement and decided to go to a different dealer with golf R arriving. They did not make the deal on that one either. They Called to make apt to come Saturday 9am. Literally as they were pulling up in a late model Porsche, I was outside with the manager talking and looking over the car. Manager-“Hey, let’s go inside and see if we can make this happen” I’m extremely happy with my decision. I love the car. I never pay over MSRP but I also knew I would have to order or travel to make that happen. It was a spontaneous decision to even go look on June 1. I absolutely love the car + 20th anniversary I think they are only producing 1800 for North America.
Nice breakdown. I’m a VW/Audi salesman at a dealership here in the states. Everything looks right. I also picked up a 20th edition R. Everything is super similar to my situation even as a salesman. Everything looks correct! #twins! Also everything you mentioned about “how” is 100%. Correct. So great to hear this from a consumer.
Thanks for sharing! You broke things down really well. Got my 2023 GTI MK8 S model for MSRP last month and couldn’t be happier. I negotiated with the manager and sales guy for like 3 hours and we worked things out respectfully. They wanted 7500 over originally. I traded in a 2022 Mazda CX-30 Turbo and when it was all said and done the sales guy was talking to me and was like “your trade in is a big reason you got this deal” which makes a lot of sense looking back at it.
Good gosh where do you live where they would charge you 7500 over msrp for an S? I ordered an S and got msrp without any haggling. They also were willing to do a 40th for msrp.
@@basslover352San Francisco Bay Area, cost of living is really expensive here so I suppose they try and take advantage of that. But I’m also hearing of markups all over the place so who knows. I did find an SE near me from a dealer that was offering 1k under msrp but I wanted an S. That info was actually part of what I used to negotiate for the S from this dealership. Also I’m pretty sure if you order and wait for the car it will always be msrp. This was me just walking into dealerships and see what they go for off the lot.
Congratulations on your new car! I enjoyed your detailed breakdown of the 20th AE DSG. I've been looking for one myself for about a month, and it's been quite frustrating. However, I'm not giving up yet.
When Covid-19 started I got my gti for 6000 grand under msrp and they were just starting to put 4 grand over msrp I got lucky 🍀 but they closed there store and my car that I bought was stuck there in limbo lol 😂 for 4 months and now I am almost 😅 out of warranty and looking 👀 at the golf r but I won’t buy a car with a mark up ⬆️ 😂
You said it! If you're happy with the deal, you did good! Even if someone is paying over MSRP, their individual circumstances impact their decision. Make a deal you're OK with and enjoy the new ride. Congrats, bro!!!
Well, that 3rd year / 30k service you paid $165 for, you would pay a lot more if you pay for it separately at the dealership for the 30k service. So, that is a good value that was added. I believe the 30k service is a hefty one for the Golf GTi / R's.
@@keithdillon2792 yup, it is whatever. But I think paying 165 is no doubt worth it up front. My dealership even has a separate 30k service plan to pay separately for $299. Which they say saves owners hundreds if paid for on its own.
Thanks for this video. I’m in Florida and dealers want 10k over msrp for new ones. And there’s a white 20th anny for 53k but has 2k miles. If you’re comfortable sharing, what credit score should you have before purchasing an R?
@@JVette01 I appreciate you. I’m 22 and thinking about selling my mk6 and getting the 8R. Do you think it’s possible to get around msrp for the used 20th anniversary model? They said they’d give me a good deal but I haven’t gone in to speak with anyone yet
seems like possibly he paid 1.5% extra in interest ( TBF he seems to be a few of the people responsiblily paying shit down so very minor) and possibly 2.5k ish in trade in loss. id say he paid like 3k over kinda for a ballpark. in this market he worked it well. good deal overall todays market.
Being reasonable would be to just keep your GTI and save money so you can retire someday. Hope you don't get a nail in one of your tires driving through a construction area.
I live in a neighborhood with construction… can’t help it haha. You’re right, buying a car 99% of the time is NOT a good investment. However, given I don’t spend money on anything else, cars are my passion so it’s worth it to me.
Thats a good deal, and i would say its a lot of car for the money, and since you had that trade offer it was even more of a deal. If i ever wanted to daily drive a hot hatch it would be the golf r, awd and good amount of tech in my opinion, i mean even for msrp is a lot of car ,i wont say you didnt pay msrp and even if you did its still a better car than lets say a type r fl5 witch is fwd.
The new normal is to negotiate markups and accessories so you don’t ask for money off the actual price of the care. Moving the goal post on the uniformed lol. Even under MSRP theirs no money lost.
I would have bought a JCW Mini Cooper convertible instead in Rebel Green with Tan interior. It seats four people, you can drop the top and it handles like a go-kart. No way would I spend that kind of money on a boring four door hardtop.
I’m not sure what you drive but I’m sure I probably would’ve bought something else for the money too. Everyone has different tastes. Thanks for your input.
Really - It's a Golf R. I waited 1.5 years for my 2023 and there is nothing the 20th Edition offer in HP and less one sun roof. Price should not be a discussion - Traded in my 2018 GTI Autoban and no complaints from my dealership - Financing a Golf R? NO! - Get it or not. - Your video was fine but having to wait for 1.5 years with a deposit given; JUST buy it!
@@JVette01it matters when they go to trade it in. Miraculously its not worth the 15k over anymore lol. Now it’s worth less than MSRP and that money is gone. Just terrible advice and it’s why people are stuck in their cars. Theirs no reason for the markup. Markups are not reasonable…
You’re missing the point.. Buying any new car is “not a good financial decision.” What I was saying is if you can afford it and you’re happy with your deal, that’s all that matters.
@JVette01 most people buying a 45k car can't afford it. So it's just dumb to throw away 15k. I get it as long as they're happy. That's just dumb imo negotiate like ypu did. Dealers earned the crappy treatment from customers.
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I recommend anyone wanting to buy an R or a new car for that matter, to watch this video.
Not only does it show you the break down (most just sign and can’t even understand the jibber jabber) but it also shows you that No-one should be financing 99% of the car value. As it’s a depreciating asset.
Great share , liked for a solid video!
Thank you!
You got a great deal. My dealer wanted $10K over for a 2023 Golf R. Also my trade- 8:56 in was a 2019 Golf R with 5800 miles. They offered me $29K trade-in. The new car was like $58K-$29K or close to my Golf R and $30k to get a 2023 Golf R. Of course I walked out. I went to BMW and they offered me $39K for my Golf R and took $2K off the MSRP of a 2024 M2 that I built and ordered. I waited 2 months and got my M2 for my Golf R and $30k…almost exactly as VW wanted for the 2023 Golf R. In Oregon, there’s no sales tax except .5% on new cars and bikes. The dealer paid the sales tax as part of the deal. I got a great deal because it was my 9th new BMW from them over the past 30 years. All but 2 of the 9 cars were M cars…mostly M3’s (E36, E46, and E92’s), one E39 M5, and now a G87 M2. I will probably go back a try to buy a 2026 Golf R, which should be the last year of Golf R’s before they go electric. In 2025, the haptic buttons are gone from the steering wheel and the infotainment screen will be newer and bigger and faster with illuminated volume and temp controls finally. I do love the M2 though.
Keep up the great videos!
Great choice! I also have a G87 M2. You got a better deal than I did on the M2
Just to make a comparison, i bought a almost full option 2023 R in Belgium europe two months ago. Only options missing is akrapovic exhaust and winter module. MSRP was 71300 euro, i negotiated in the end to 61000 euro + 1 year extra full warranty. I also traded in my peugeot 308 2020 for 17000 euro. So i paid 44000euro for a 71000 msrp car. Was really happy with the deal i got. Totally different situation here i see, interesting video.
Thanks for sharing!
I just put a deposit on a white golf r that was already in production. It has the same add ons but they will not let me drop any of them including the mats. No dealer mark up. Mine will be a lease through my company which makes sense because I can write a substantial portion off on my taxes.
Well said with the written points. Do the rough math and the understand how finance works before you get to the dealership. I always finance even if I have to refinance or plan to pay it off Immediately. If it’s in the ballpark then execute the plan. And be happy with it. This is about relationship building
Hey man you got a good deal I paid above MSRP.
They had all black 20th anniversary arrive on June 1 and I came back a couple days later at 8:30am to maybe work a deal.
I was between golf R and RS3 I would have to order the RS3 6-8months.
Long story short I arrived at the dealer basically when they opened.
And started talking with the sales manager directly instead Since he was the only one there at the time.
He made me aware of a older couple driving down to strike a deal at 9:00am, the older couple apparently did not come to agreement and decided to go to a different dealer with golf R arriving.
They did not make the deal on that one either.
They Called to make apt to come Saturday 9am.
Literally as they were pulling up in a late model Porsche, I was outside with the manager talking and looking over the car.
Manager-“Hey, let’s go inside and see if we can make this happen”
I’m extremely happy with my decision. I love the car.
I never pay over MSRP but I also knew I would have to order or travel to make that happen.
It was a spontaneous decision to even go look on June 1.
I absolutely love the car + 20th anniversary I think they are only producing 1800 for North America.
Thank you for the support! I appreciate you sharing your story.
I got my MK8 R, DSG for MSRP back in February of 2022
Great video congrats on the R I basically did the same but traded in a jeep wrangler. And I got my blue R 20 ! Love it !!!
Congrats!!
Thanks for the video, I am thinking about getting a regular Golf R. Hopefully I can order one and just wait.
Nice breakdown. I’m a VW/Audi salesman at a dealership here in the states. Everything looks right. I also picked up a 20th edition R. Everything is super similar to my situation even as a salesman. Everything looks correct! #twins! Also everything you mentioned about “how” is 100%. Correct. So great to hear this from a consumer.
Absolutely! Congrats on your R!
@@JVette01 you too man!! Thanks! We have the EXACT same spec down to the dollar lol.
@@vagdude6397 That awesome haha. It truly is an amazing car. Subscribe and stay tuned for all the Golf R videos! :)
You also got that dealership discount 😉
Thanks for sharing! You broke things down really well. Got my 2023 GTI MK8 S model for MSRP last month and couldn’t be happier. I negotiated with the manager and sales guy for like 3 hours and we worked things out respectfully. They wanted 7500 over originally. I traded in a 2022 Mazda CX-30 Turbo and when it was all said and done the sales guy was talking to me and was like “your trade in is a big reason you got this deal” which makes a lot of sense looking back at it.
Nice work!
Good gosh where do you live where they would charge you 7500 over msrp for an S? I ordered an S and got msrp without any haggling. They also were willing to do a 40th for msrp.
@@basslover352San Francisco Bay Area, cost of living is really expensive here so I suppose they try and take advantage of that. But I’m also hearing of markups all over the place so who knows.
I did find an SE near me from a dealer that was offering 1k under msrp but I wanted an S. That info was actually part of what I used to negotiate for the S from this dealership.
Also I’m pretty sure if you order and wait for the car it will always be msrp. This was me just walking into dealerships and see what they go for off the lot.
@@dpsfit San Francisco makes sense lol. I've still heard of getting MSRP in Cali but gotta shop around a bit more.
Congratulations on your new car! I enjoyed your detailed breakdown of the 20th AE DSG. I've been looking for one myself for about a month, and it's been quite frustrating. However, I'm not giving up yet.
Thanks!
Well done video bro!!!! 😎
When Covid-19 started I got my gti for 6000 grand under msrp and they were just starting to put 4 grand over msrp I got lucky 🍀 but they closed there store and my car that I bought was stuck there in limbo lol 😂 for 4 months and now I am almost 😅 out of warranty and looking 👀 at the golf r but I won’t buy a car with a mark up ⬆️ 😂
Nice!
You said it! If you're happy with the deal, you did good! Even if someone is paying over MSRP, their individual circumstances impact their decision. Make a deal you're OK with and enjoy the new ride. Congrats, bro!!!
Absolutely! Thank you’
As a person who's sold cars, this guy is pretty much stating facts. I'll be getting my 2024 at the end of December.
Congrats!
Well, that 3rd year / 30k service you paid $165 for, you would pay a lot more if you pay for it separately at the dealership for the 30k service. So, that is a good value that was added. I believe the 30k service is a hefty one for the Golf GTi / R's.
Thanks for letting me know!
Pretty sure the 30k is just oil and filters.
@@keithdillon2792 actually, I don't think so. It's a service that runs about $5-600 on its own for the MK8 R at least.
Don't think you are right. But whatever.
@@keithdillon2792 yup, it is whatever. But I think paying 165 is no doubt worth it up front. My dealership even has a separate 30k service plan to pay separately for $299. Which they say saves owners hundreds if paid for on its own.
Did you laminate the window sticker or did they do it for you??? How did you do it? =D
It came that way 👍
I paid $35,230 for a 2023 40th DSG GTI ( basically sticker except for Monster mats added by factory) ....
Thanks for this video. I’m in Florida and dealers want 10k over msrp for new ones. And there’s a white 20th anny for 53k but has 2k miles.
If you’re comfortable sharing, what credit score should you have before purchasing an R?
I'd recommend 670+ but obviously people with lower scores can still get approved depending on down payment, income, credit history, etc.
@@JVette01 I appreciate you. I’m 22 and thinking about selling my mk6 and getting the 8R. Do you think it’s possible to get around msrp for the used 20th anniversary model?
They said they’d give me a good deal but I haven’t gone in to speak with anyone yet
Doesn’t hurt to try. Worst they can say is no
Well said! Great information.
I don’t believe you got it for MSRP
Arizona is selling at msrp 🤷♂️ before I bought mine yesterday I was looking at some in CA and they're doing a 10k markup. NV was doing 5k...
You don’t have to believe me but I did.
seems like possibly he paid 1.5% extra in interest ( TBF he seems to be a few of the people responsiblily paying shit down so very minor) and possibly 2.5k ish in trade in loss. id say he paid like 3k over kinda for a ballpark. in this market he worked it well. good deal overall todays market.
The trade was worth between 26-28 if I sold it elsewhere, so the tax savings made up for it
Here in Florida they are selling 7k above MSRP
Looks great on what you did, I got my finance at 3.95 %.
That’s nice! If I had a super low rate I may wait longer to pay it off but I’m gonna pay off quick since it’s 8%
❤👏👏👍👌🏻🇬🇧 Very clear straight to the point and subscribe 🧐
Do golf r's hold their value?
Currently, they’re holding pretty well but obviously that’s subject to change
No VW hold value brotha
You broke down those costs very well.
Thank you
Being reasonable would be to just keep your GTI and save money so you can retire someday. Hope you don't get a nail in one of your tires driving through a construction area.
I live in a neighborhood with construction… can’t help it haha. You’re right, buying a car 99% of the time is NOT a good investment. However, given I don’t spend money on anything else, cars are my passion so it’s worth it to me.
Thats a good deal, and i would say its a lot of car for the money, and since you had that trade offer it was even more of a deal. If i ever wanted to daily drive a hot hatch it would be the golf r, awd and good amount of tech in my opinion, i mean even for msrp is a lot of car ,i wont say you didnt pay msrp and even if you did its still a better car than lets say a type r fl5 witch is fwd.
Thanks!
You should have gone 2024 Bmw 240i Xdrive for about 60K
Considered that car but it’s more expensive, worse resale value, and I can’t fit since they come with a mandatory sunroof.
You said your dealer was asking for $7,500 over but you got yours for MSRP?
Yes
The new normal is to negotiate markups and accessories so you don’t ask for money off the actual price of the care. Moving the goal post on the uniformed lol. Even under MSRP theirs no money lost.
Crazy interest rates pay cash or Novate lease
It’s almost paid off now. I don’t like paying interest. Just financed it with them to help them out and give me a better deal
I would have bought a JCW Mini Cooper convertible instead in Rebel Green with Tan interior. It seats four people, you can drop the top and it handles like a go-kart. No way would I spend that kind of money on a boring four door hardtop.
I’m not sure what you drive but I’m sure I probably would’ve bought something else for the money too. Everyone has different tastes. Thanks for your input.
The dealer i went to said they're going for 5k above.
Doesn’t hurt to offer MSRP to buy it now
Really - It's a Golf R. I waited 1.5 years for my 2023 and there is nothing the 20th Edition offer in HP and less one sun roof. Price should not be a discussion - Traded in my 2018 GTI Autoban and no complaints from my dealership - Financing a Golf R? NO! - Get it or not. - Your video was fine but having to wait for 1.5 years with a deposit given; JUST buy it!
if carmax will to pay 28k gti. Sell it then use the 28k for the down payment
Part of the reason I got the deal was because of a desirable trade-in
Refinance with a bank or credit union
If I were to finance for longer I would but I pay down my cars quickly so interest isn’t as big of a deal.
Btw I think you got robbed on the trade, I was offered 16k for my 2015 with 85k
You need to look at the whole deal. Maybe the car you were buying they could afford to eat into in order to show you a higher trade value.
459 isn’t bad
You got Ripped Off with 8% 72 months
Doesn’t matter it’s already paid off.
Hell of a car. You get what you pay for in this life.
Thank you!
I'm not sure how paying 15000 over the msrp is a good deal? No don't do that😮
The point was as long as you’re satisfied, it doesn’t matter
@@JVette01it matters when they go to trade it in. Miraculously its not worth the 15k over anymore lol. Now it’s worth less than MSRP and that money is gone. Just terrible advice and it’s why people are stuck in their cars. Theirs no reason for the markup. Markups are not reasonable…
You’re missing the point.. Buying any new car is “not a good financial decision.” What I was saying is if you can afford it and you’re happy with your deal, that’s all that matters.
@JVette01 most people buying a 45k car can't afford it. So it's just dumb to throw away 15k. I get it as long as they're happy. That's just dumb imo negotiate like ypu did. Dealers earned the crappy treatment from customers.
No one is forcing someone to buy a car. That’s all their decision.. you shouldn’t care how other people spend their money.
Why even make this video ? You literally got it for MSRP
There’s a lot more information in this video than just “I got it for MSRP” but thanks for watching
@@JVette01 mybad I must’ve been looking at something else. Thought the title said “did I get scammed”
@@GLA45Amg716get with the times buddy ⌛️🕰️
Man watch out for nails
I know! Haha so many
you DSG will broke ;) my 2023 GOLF R DSG Broke at 250km just 1 day after
Mines been working just fine, fingers crossed.
Glad to hear that bro.
Yeah ripped odff silly
:(