Quality Tool Making Using Recycled Junk! - Part 2- MSFN
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2018
- Lots of Quality Lathe Machining Footage in this 2 Part Video Series!
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Machining a one-off tool for my brother on the Atlas 12” Commercial Lathe. Lots of machining and my thought process to complete the job…hope you enjoy! Please subscribe and click the notifications “bell” to get notified of newly released videos. Thanks for Watching!
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Awesome, great job
Nice work there Richard. I am sure you brother will be proud to have a tool he get to see you make. Also, he will appreciate it more when he sees how much work went into it.
Thanks Glenn, he received it today...was very happy with it. Was glad to make it for him :)
Admit it, Richard. Your brother is a vampire/werewolf slayer. That tip is made of silver.
I sure enjoyed , Just what I do , Making somthin from nuthin .. AWESOME !
Glad you liked! Thanks ~ Richard
I really enjoyed watching this, there is something really satisfying watching something been made from scrap, well done.
Thanks friend!, consider subscribing 😊
I already have! have a great day from the UK.
That's a nice looking knurl!
Thanks! I doubt my brother will appreciate the complexities of knurling tho! LOL
Well done Richard, thanks. Richard
Hope you enjoyed it, thanks ~ Richard 😊
Real nice
Hey....Thanks!
Very nice I like when you made the knurled part as well as when you cut the threads they say that you can use a mini metal lathe that I have that you can use to make your own screws
Most mini lathes can do thread cutting...its very satisfying to cut a nice thread ~ Richard
sweet. thank you nice video.
Thanks Ray
The words every guy that works with his hands.....if I ever get a bigger shop. I'll tell you what will happen. You will get said shop and a couple years later.....you start in with the if I ever get a bigger shop again. Lol that's what happened to me. Start with a small single bay. Now I have a 3 bay and attic that I rotate tools whether wood metal or what not. It's never ending. Lmao
LMAO! :)
Nice job on the knurling. Iam going to make a knurling tool like your’s. I have the push one. But like everbody else I don’t t like like the push knurling tool. Thanks for the video’s.
Thanks Barry, glad you like them :)
thats why you need metal soft jaws too. to hold weird stuff. good job man
I have 3 sets of bolt on aluminum soft jaws made for that chuck but wasnt gonna waste a set for a one-off part. Thanks Bob ~ Richard
You should consider a camera like mine, saw your SJ cam fiasco :(
The threaded rod or bolt material could either be quenched and tempered medium carbon steel , or Q&T 4140. You can’t harden a 4130 alloy very good, only 0.3% carbon. Hope that helps.
“Chips are hot” lol ...not the mention a foot long! ... maybe grind a chip breaker into that tool that suits your speed&feed. Good vid cheers.
Lmao! I had it on the higjest feed rate possible and still couldnt break a chip with that stuff....was a fun project. The viewers seem to like it too :)
yes its hard this is a tread bar the steel f114 but its tread rolling and that have very much tension in the bar , good video and a good work
Win, Win, TFS, G :)
You bet!
That's a nice bundle of pot scrubbers you turned up.
or crappy compression springs 🤔
TheDistur I was thinking good spirals for some Damascus steel. Mixed with the chips from the stainless from a few videos ago
Stuff in the chip pan gets contaminated by dis-similar metals. The only person I know who starts off with a 100% clean machine each time is Stefan Gotteswinter
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin oh I understand that. If they was clean tho......... be some gorgeous canister Damascus.
Checked on the price of 1018 hot/cold rolled at the Metals Supermarket in Knoxville, TN this morning, cold rolled 1018 went up $0.85/lb this morning!!! With those prices we're all going to be MSFN!! I can see home shop machinist in back alleys making a deal for some steel!! lol
The scrapyard gave it to me free so was happy about it. I am always looking for junk I can use, spending $ gives me a rash! 😊
It gives me bruises,........ when my wife finds out. LOL
LOL!!
Are you sure your brother isn't a vampire slayer? Either way, thoroughly enjoyed watching you make this tool.
Blue color in the point lose the hardened , the best color for the revenue is gold .
Tank for give you experience .
Agree, surface speed was a bit high at the larger diameters
good job man grand pa gordon CANADA
Thanks Gordon!, greatly appreciated 😊
Could be 4340 or EN25, they are often used for gears and screws where they are under continuous stresses.
Thanks, Its the bad thing about mystery steel....you may love it....but never know what it actually is 😖
Another good one.You queried what the steel was in the "bolt". You didn't say what it was used for but by the way it machined and looked could be 4140. Tough stuff.
No idea what it came from, I dug them out of the dirt at the scrap yard. It machines like large grade 8 bolt. Its very hard, but love machining it
If its 4140....I like it. It was a long machine screw, not a bolt
Hey Rich. Nice "Hole Punch??" I have a couple of newbie questions. When you were knurling it looked like you were not running on the centerline of the part as you knurled. Was this the case and why? Or was I fooled by the camera angle? Second, when you hardened and quenched the tip, I am guessing that you got a pretty good amount of heat in the end of the tool too. When you quenched it did the body of the tool harden up any indicating a carbon content?
You know me, always the guy with all the dumb questions. My next YT Shop student video will be a captive nut. This way I get some threading, tapping, knurling experience. I have the 12L14 for it but am waiting on some thread wires. This is academic for me so will be trying my hand at threading by the book for a class 2a fit. If I don't make it, no worries since it is a toy I am making but might as well try.
I like your knurling tool. I have the bump type so will see how it goes. Hopefully well as long as it is supported. However, i think the scissor type you have would be superior.
Thanks for sharing Richard. Always looking forward to seeing your videos. Hopefully I will have another up soon.
Joe
or Worlds largest Center Punch...LOL Yep, just an overbuilt tool to make round holes in steel drums (long & funny story) The knurling tool may have not been at the apex of the bar but I could tell from the pressure when moving it in with the cross slide I was gonna get a good result so let it roll....if you make adjustments "mid-knurl" you will regret it. Get a scissor type....you will be much happier with the results and not bend your thinner work. The oxy set makes short work of heat treating small parts, I was only concerned with the tip....the other steel is a mystery steel so no idea on carbon content but it is HARD STUFF! Threading is easy peasy, was one of the first things I learned to do. Look forward to your next video ~ Richard
Im in the UK, looks like EN19T or possibly EN24T to me the way the swarf is forming and the finish.
Whatever it was...I liked it :)
Interesting and good to see / read the reasoning behind it all. Hate seeing big bits of steel going to waste too. But Heh, what about ALL THAT Threadlocking product? - U got shares in it ? Thawt one used 1 or 2 drops on a part !
Thanks! I was shipping it 1200 miles away and wanted to make sure it never came apart 😊
Oh you're kidding LOL LOL LOL ! .... more likely u wer trying to gift some free Threadlocker ! haha - would it seal at all?
machines like 4140. most of the hard spots in threaded stock come from work hardening from torque and tension from fasteners being tightened on it . pretty cool tool .
Thanks Robb, the metal was nice to work with :)
Looks like a b7 stud which is heat treated 4140
Thanks Graham, was nice to turn whatever it was
Probably prehard 4140. It turns pretty nicely.
Turned great...loved it. Many people saying 4140..or EU equivalent
Hope you liked the tool and video, I appreciate ya watchin ~ Richard
I always thought that was a 4130 or 4140 type of steel. Machines a little like it.
Wish I knew :)
Is there a reason you didn't make it in 1 piece? Maybe bed length? You almost stopped my heart when you gripped on the knurled finish. Looks really pretty now it's finished. Ask your brother to film him using it perhaps. You can pretty much guarantee that steel is 4140. Excellent job Richard. 👏👍 David.
Thanks David! The main reason why I made it in 2 pieces was spindle bore size and the long stickout a one piece design would entail. I needed to put a center in it for the live center....and I didnt think using my steady rest on a threaded surface would go real well and damage my brass fingers. Ha, yes...gripping the knurl I wasnt crazy about but since he wasnt paying me I figured whats a couple machining marks between brothers. 😎 But the knurl wasnt really damaged. Its just for punching holes in 55 gal drums. The mystery metal was nice to work with...thanks for your support David.~ Richard
Nicest prison shank I've ever seen! Slip it into a sub sandwich, hidden under the bologna and the guards will never see it.
😎
8.8 grade screws are made of 42CrMo4 or 1.7225, harder ones, i.g 10.9 and higher are made of 34CrNiMo6
Thanks for the input! Never worked with large screws before ~ Richard
42crm04 are the same as 4140 in usa ,here in croatia is another name for same steel 4732....can be hardened or not....any armory are made from that stuff ,and motor crankshaft....one of best steel there is....even for use as tool steel...if not tempered ,have around 65 rokwell .high tension steel
Whatever that steel was I really liked working with it. Greetings from USA machinist :)
Allthread is make from all kinds of weird alloys I've found, I've had very mixed results on the machinability. But it is a great, cheap (as here sometimes even free) material to use. My little hobby lathe has 550 watts of power and if I turn the RPM's down with a CCMT insert I have no problem with a pretty deep cut, granted the feed is not great but I've cut 5/32nd just fine once I've cleaned up the threads (interrupted cuts suck). It's not gonna leave a nice finish but if I turn my RPM down to like 125-200 range I have no fear about dialing in 5/64, and if it seems easily machinable I dial it up to 5/32 if I just wanna remove tons off the OD.
The stuff machined great once I got rid of the threads, I dont have back gears functioning on this lathe :( Thanks for checking out my videos! ~ Richard
If your default feed is around 4 thou per revolution which I think it is for most small hobby lathes like mine you should be pretty safe to go pretty deep, pretty surprised at how well these little CCMT inserts work on low power small lathes, assuming you can at least change the belts for different RPMs
My smallest feed rate is .0042/rev, highest about .009. I can change speeds from 285 rpm - 2000 rpm on my Atlas
you need to do one on your shop compressor when you get a new one take the old one out into the woods and blow it up with some amex or tnt or rdx now that would be very satisfying to see lol.
Calling what I had a "compressor" is being very generous. I referred to it as a POS 😊
keep up the good work
I have had shafts with hard spots before
The few hard spots was strange, but managed through it :)
When you disengage the half nut and move the carriage to check knurl quality should you use the thread dial to makes sure it starts in same place or does it not matter?
The lathe was stopped the knurler was withdrawn from the work via the cross slide then was brought back towards the tail stock via the carriage the knurl was checked and the depth was adjusted and re-started . The only way to ensure starting directly on the same position on the work is to either have a DRO/indicator on the Z axis or check the threading dial. Or is it because the depth was adjusted it didn’t matter and he just went right over the first knurl and it didn’t matter where it started?
@@Misfits_mtb sorry, didnt re-watch the video prior to answering, I never used a DRO or calculate diameters when knurling, and never made a bad knurl yet thus far. In my experience the wheels find their home once re-engaged
@@MakinSumthinFromNuthin Thank you! I’m fairly new to machining and like hear other people’s thoughts and techniques. Great channel and content btw!
Awesome job sir. Did the original material by chance have the nuts on it still?
I actually have one screw with one nut attached. Slim chance it fits what you need tho
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin it's actually a very odd project. They don't have to "fit" or be reusable as a nut. They are to be part of part I'm going to make for a rat rod tractor project.
Ok, call me
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin will do after we leave the hospital. Should be around 1-1:30 ish if that is ok.
👍🏼
i have 2 36" lathes i want to trade 1 for a smaller one and get a much bigger one!
hi u r a great
Thanks for watching :)
There you go , picking on the old girl. Calling it a baby. Better talk nice to her or she will quit on you. Lol she saw you threw to the end. Better give her some oil tonight. Love your projects and good job. 2 videos in one night boy I feel lucky.
I want the threads gone in one pass! LOL
Lots of flex in that tool post eh? :-) Maybe a good scraping job would help to tighten it up.
Hi Brian, the biggest problem I have is the wonderful cost cutting dept of the Atlas Lathe Co.shipped the 1970's lathes with plastic gibs....total idiots. I hope they enjoyed the $6 they saved....nowadays Clausing doesnt even sell gibs thate are not plastic for the Atlas. Need me a Monarch 😉
Btw, what do you think a large machine screw like that is made from?
Normally grade 8 fasteners are a thru hardened medium carbon steel. I had never heard of plastic gibs that seams really cheap. A good Monarch is the way to go a series 62 or 612 would probably suite you well.
Funny I mention one and one turns up in my email today! I think I am being spied on! www.machinio.com/listings/27597370-1974-monarch-model-612-engine-lathe-1974-20-swing-78-centers-in-westland-mi?__ai=63459653&token=uLyIgIuzuQJYn5gGtlIrkfnyL9vUJn1YOL8FM77nkRlWpIATqr5-l5TLBntLW6SXi4oNXdUy9-OFNNBvMJH9V4_WAH9Q_sb9HUlk_UG0MF8&
I have machined some pretty large grade 8 bolts, this material was pretty similar as far as turning it....got three 20" pieces of this stuff free over at the scrapyard...nice material to work with. Also, Thanks for the link ~ Richard
Industrial centre punch?
Nahhh, much simpler...overbuilt tool to punch .800 holes into 55gal steel barrels :)
Vampires better run!!!! or, it is Roman tools, and Jesus better run.... LOL That is cool looking...
Thanks :)
609 Loktite is bearing retainer, it says so right on the label. You should have used Loktite red, permanent thread locker.
Yeahhhh, dont have any at the moment so my brother is stuck with 609. What number Red do you recommend for stuff such as this?
271
Thanks Alan!
@@MakinSumthinFromNuthinperson
4:50 Nice Freehand on that shoulder. - Your speed/feed/depth of cut are close to perfect. If the chips were breaking it would be. - What was the original use of the large bolt? - Why does your brother need a "big stabby thing?" - Nice job overall.
Thanks MP, That material didnt want to break a chip, no matter what I did....nice stuff tho. The large screw I got from the scrapyard so use was unknown. Oddly enough its use is to punch holes in 55 gallon drums :)
Empty, non-pressurized, drums, I hope.
Yep, not even a lid :)
your brother really is a vampire killer, right?
🤔
My thoughts exactly! Zombies beware!
gun barrels are made from 4140,then you know that this stuff is hard and high tension
Good info to know!, thanks!
What is it?
Its for punching holes in 55 gal drums
ask brudda fer a vid using it
Lol.....nahhh. Its just for punching ventilation holes in his burning barrel out in the yard. Major overkill but it will now let him retire his hatchet that just makes slits 😎
Hate the sight of "slits" do you ??
Hahah, good 'ol Steve! I was never so popular with my brothers until I got a Lathe 🤔
My brother has a motel over in Daytona Beach
Nice....Has been a long time since I been there....great place!
zombie killer