LASS Vs Hollywood Strings (General Comparison)
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2011
- Here is my first of a few planned videos comparing Audiobro's La Scoring Strings with East West's Hollywood Strings.
This video takes a look at the loading times, memory use and general overview about what comes with each.
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When you're ABing you really need to match volume level. People generally prefer the louder of two similar sounds. This is why level matching is so important when applying compression to tracks or a mix. Thanks for the vid.
Daniel, thanks for making such a great comparison video. Love your channel!
Great videos! I started with the 1h cinebrass video and I'm going through them all now and enjoying every minute. I've been making electronic music for many years but I'm also making more game music now with orchestral stuff. I've got the EWSOG library but I'm considering additional strings and brass so this is worth gold to me. Not only that, your methods to present the content gives teaches me a LOT about the compositions so I'm really thankful that you present it in the way you do.
Thanks for this awesome review. It is very helpful and informative. I really appreciate the time and effort you took to share this with us!
This is awesome man!
Your compositions hhave always been great, and seeing this is really helpful.
Thanks!
What a great video! Thanks so much for sharing this so clearly and well explained.
That legato patch in Hollywood strings may have taken a year or so to load up but it was certainly worth the wait.
Slap those libraries onto an SSD and it's magic. Loads quite quickly!
Daniel! this is a great video! Thanks!
Well done, this is a great comparison! I'm in the market for one of these two VI's, this was very helpful
Just like to add amongst the bizarre cavil, thanks for the videos. I really enjoy them. Thorough and interesting to see them being used in real life. I've actually already made 2 purchases based on you videos. Gained one more subscriber. Metal Gear Solid brought me here ;)
LASS sounds good when I use a multiband compressor (I limit the highs on the violins to lessen the harshness/ "sandy-ness"). I just love its out of tune effect since it makes it sound like the real thing. It reminds me of my high school's string ensemble I used to be with.
I prefer dry samples then put tube compressor and reverb later during mixing process.
note: This is a novice speaking. I started using these only a few months ago.
You'll want to use sordino strings if you want it to be less harsh. You can even combine sordino and non-sordino, something I personally love doing.
Solid solid review!! Thanks Daz
Daniel, great work, thanks a lot for the video. I'm working in film music and I'm going to buy a string library soon, I haven't decided yet but I wanted to ask you what do you feel about Cinematic Strings? have you had the chance to use it? and at the end of all, wich is your favorite string library?
I like that LASS is pretty dry so I can add my own reverb, whereas Hollywood Strings (and EastWest's previous entry, Symphonic Orchestra) are recorded with the hall's reverb -- which may or may not blend well with other instrument libraries.
East West just reopened their educational deal for students! If you've been waiting for a sale, IT'S HAPPENING NOW! $399 for the whole collection! insane(you'll need a student ID)
Thank for doing this. very helpful. btw what was the "mask acoustic" reverb that you were using? I couldn't seem to find it online.
This is EXCELLENT. Thank you very much!
Very good comparison! You should do more of these videos.
This deserves to go viral man.. 5 Stars
One of the positives with this library [EW Hollywood Strings] is that it gives you time to be with yourself. You know, you could write a poem, get a cup of coffee... perhaps contemplate your purchase... =)
very good video this is the first time I say thanks for a video like this because almost all are boring but you're cool thanks dude!
I think what makes the LASS library so unique is that they're NOT using the auto tune thing, that way all chords and harmonics sound so much more authentic and even more beautiful because it's not perfectly in tune. I'm using LASS Lite and I'm totally happy with it, there are some notes that are bit worse out of tune but you can fix all these single notes with the tune corrector in the interface.
I have both and I gotta ask. Does Kontakt take long to show up when you first drop one on a track in Ableton? Mine seems to be taking 10 to 12 seconds for the player to show.
this video was amazing thx so much brother. super considerate !!!
eagerly waiting for part 2 , staccato pizzicato marcato etc.
This is really some neat review , but u didn't mention the three mic positions which HS offers, does this really makes a difference when compared to other libraries ?
Great video man, Thank you so much for taking your time to do this. I've been dying to get my hands on HS for some time now, I was under the impression it was the perfect solution to otherwise 'twangy and electronic' sounding string packages.I wanted something user friendly that required as little actual programming as possible. Now after watching this i realise that symphobia covers the most part and although debatably warmer sounding, LASS is def more than capable+better value. Thanks again
Thanks for your generous effort in this comparison. What sequencer did you use and why?
Hey Daniel. Thanks for putting this up. Appreciate it was a good few years ago, but always good to go through stuff like this. Daniel just wondering what your thoughts are to the new East West Composer Cloud? I have bought into the monthly one to see how it all goes. I have found some libraries a bit pointless like the Scoring Tools.
@allvange I am sorry if it wasnt clear. I think HS has a more 'premixed' sound and sounds great with Symphobia but when you have a fully orchestrated track the difference would be so minimal it would make more sense to use the patches that take up the least amount of processing power.
very good comparison made thanks a lot man..!
Thank you for doing this! I'm in the process of choosing between LASS and Hollywood Strings. Now that you've had both for some time, which library do you find yourself turning to the most?
bro u rock! was really excited about gettin hollywood strings after lovin EW orchestra gold play! i discovered symphobia thanks to u and boy does it sound amazin! listen to my EW composition i did for "redmeption" got a few thousand views on it! but man u r some talented geeza!:) loving ur videos watched alot them tonite n ur london trip!:) all the best dude!;)
Y'learn su'm new every day. Thanks for this. :-)
Is it possible to buy these sounds and import them to a synthesizer like korg kronos?
Excuse my ignorance... (I'm looking into getting string samples) but, seems to me that just by using Symphobia it would be enough?
Or what am I missing?
Great review!
great tutorial. Congrats and thanks a million. Cheers
Hahaha, hilarious video. Love it. Thanks for the comparisons.
Great Video Daniel ! thanks man!
Hello Daniel and all other peeps!
Thanks alot for your great videos. I have a question: What is your
routing? Don't you have several outputs from your Kontakt 5? Where do
you do the mixing? You see, my problem is that I've got one channel with
MIDI that goes to the Kontakt 5, and from there I have a specific
output that a specific audio track can take audio from. So for example,
when I play something on a trumpet, it first reads the MIDI from the
trumpet MIDI track, sends that to the Kontakt 5 track, the Kontakt 5
sends audio via a specific output to the trumpet audio track. This is
great because it gives me lots of control and makes it easy to mix. The
issue is however when I try to solo the trumpet. If I solo the MIDI
track only, no sound is coming out. Same happens if I solo the audio
track only as well. I have to solo them both for it to work! This is a
big problem, and I can't find a way to solve it! Do you have any ideas?
Should I maybe change my routing? How do you route your signals? Do you
mix in Kontakt?
Best regards // Elias
Hey Daniel, which String Library do you recommend for an organic / realistic sound and the "best" price/performance ratio? The East West stuff is on sale but I don't like the play engine...
I am perplexed reading some stupid posts criticizing what you Daniel make, some Mr. Nobody criticizes you because some HD issue without any respect whatsoever on what you do and what makes you such a professional programmer with a heavy portfolio to rely on. I don't know if you are an accomplished real composer or even a full developed keyboard player but for sure, and for what I see on your well dedicated-detailed videos and demos, you do know what in the hell is that you do, for your clients and for yourself. KUDOS on that and keep doing what you do, no doubt, you are in the right track.!!!!
Excellent,,, I have a question and hope that you all can help me.. I have been hearing and reading.. that the Play engine since they did the upgrade to 3.0 still has many issues and such.. also heard that East/west support staff is really less then satisfactory about getting back to there customers. they dont even show a phone number. I was really thinking of buying the brass and string libraries from HOllywood.. but after reading about there service, and the play engine.am confused? thoughts
For scoring games/movies, which one would any of you prefer?
Kinda torn between these two
What would you recommend for other orchestral instruments? i know that the legato brass in Symphobia is pretty hot, but woodwinds and solo instruments?
you have a lot of emotions when you play, that is beautiful.
Daniel, I love the song you played there, between 7:09- 7:20. What is the name of that piece?
Thanks, this video was very helpful, i been waiting to hear the difference clearlly, overall i think i prefer LASS because of the memory and the fact it runs within Kontakt, i too have 6GB ram and when running around 80-100 tracks for my projects, Play takes up way too much memory, and loading times are poor, though soundwise, both sound very professional.. i swear everytime i watch your video's though, you inspire me to go and compose straight away, great stuff man, thanks again.
if you had to pick one which would you go with? and do you know if any of these programs are a major upgrade compared to Kontakt 4's classical collection, which is what I have now?
@Xtra999 I used to use convolution reverb when I started and it sounded great, but my system was low end so I went looking for an algo...ArtsAcocustic sounds amazing to me so I have never felt I needed to change back now I have a stronger system.
great review. thanks alot!
@dazexus
oooooo your a composer :D i also wanna be one ^^ / pianis/ conducter
but how long did it take to get al thaat software o.O ??
and is it the best to use a imac for that kinda software ??
i now use sibelius 6, but it souns soo fake :(
You've definitely got me interested in this. Is there any trial version?
I, for one, enjoyed your ramblings.
I have lass, but even across my laptop speakers, i could hear a beauty in the Hollywood strings, a character that moved me more. That said, i love my lass.
la scoring strings combined with symphobia=eargasm...Plus Less Ram Without Suffering In Brightness Or Color...Just Great Can't Wait To Get My Hands On It...Great review Bro!
The way you said "default" made my right testicle tingle.
how expensive were these two vst instruments? And where did you get them.. Thanks
Awesome Video.. love your music a lot
"Plenty of time to be by yourself, you can write a poem"... Hahaha! Thanks for the upload!
Can please someone help me. I don't know where else i can ask that question. I am considering to purchase one of LAAS products bit i cannot access Audiobro oficial website. I tried it from different devices. It's not loading. Can it be for some reason that i don't have access to the website in my country? And if so then why?
How do you compare Vienna Symphonic Library with these three?
I have EWQLSO Platinum - The similar patches load almost instantly, but I have 32gb of ram and a fast processor and it's 2015.
What are your thoughts on EWQL Symphony Orchestra verses Hollywood strings, brass, woodwinds, other than the extra articulations?
+Timothy Mathews Sound and more realistic sound.
What are the load times like when using an SSD?
I am using a Samsung 850 Evo and the thing flies. Best purchase I have ever made.
+Jono not Bono Basically no loading time, less than a second I would say.
Thank you for the vid! Had a hard time choosing which one to buy...
Daniel,
Are LASS and EWHS both loaded on internal hdd or external? I have EWQL on external drive on a mac and it is very slow to load samples. You could try a thunderbolt drive to speed up the loading time. Thanks for the video...
very informative and useful video. thanks for pointing out your systems specs as that is very important in making a decision of which these expensive vst's to buy. I personally preferred symphobia. thanks.
I have much more ram than you on my PC.. (16 gigs) and I am having a problem with LA scoring strings where when using the large combis the sustained notes are cutting off abruptly, and when I cut down the number of parts playing it seems to fix it. I need to be able to use these large combis to get the sound I desire. I wonder what is causing the script to cut off the notes. It happens on the divisi legato multis.
What about mic positions? Is it different with Hollywood strings? Do you have those differences with LASS or is it valuable at all? Cause I m considering buying the gold edition, which will be much easier on my PC...
Doesn't Kontakt stream the sounds straight from the hard drive (but loads some sounds to RAM)? Where as Play loads everything to RAM? That's why the difference in load size. Correct me if I'm wrong.
how are you controlling the mod wheel whilst playing what seems to be 2 handed phrases?
Could it be that Kontakt / LASS uses more DFD (direct from disk) streaming and hence loads faster and requires less RAM, or is PLAY simply known to be very slow?
Contemplating the purchase of Eastwest is probably what I would do, cheers for the heads up man!
what would you suggest give the most real organic sounding strings, not nessecarily out of just these two but out of everything
What are the specs of the system you use in this video? I'm interested in comparing our systems to see if I could effectively run EWQL Hollywood Strings.
13:16 You made me laugh pretty hard there buddy ;D
Great comparison, thanx for doing this. Since my use would be for my own music (I don't score for other people, work under time constraints, manage giant projects, etc) the similarity in the libraries is actually a plus. I would expect that LASS and HS would both benefit from the personal tweeking we'd all apply in mixing, so by the time that's done either one would sound great. The load time does seem to be a deterrent, especially at the EW price. I'm confident that the LASS would suffice.
Are you using the 24-bit samples? If so, try the 16 and that might solve the problem
Thanks for the video. I am in the market for a realistic string software. What I noticed is that Hollywood Strings sounds more realistic because of the "lag-time" between the notes. I don't mind the longer load times. This has helped me make a decision. Thanks again.
I know it's not really what this video was about...but Symphobia was actually quite stunning. Beautiful ensemble sounds! What can't performance synths get this right?
And by the way, thanks SO much for making these videos! It's really great to get to hear so many virtual instrument packs and sample libraries used in an actual performance/scoring setting.
For the benefit of those unsure of East West, I have purchased CCC2, and am using Play 4. Thank God everything is working fine. I am using Windows, on a dell Inspiron 660, with 8 gb of RAM. Loading times are actually pretty fast. However i can't use the "Powerful System" patches in Hollywood Strings. Way too much for my pc. However the more basic patches work fine, and sound great.
I just ordered HS Diamond and will be receiving it next week....I pray my system will be able to handle such a large library....Thanks Daniel for a good presentation bro...I hope I can contact you if I have issues with my system...
do all those VST's come with kontakt? thanks a bunch
Thanks great Video
Damn i love this guy and his tutorials!! Wish he would follow a music producer back.
thanks for sharing this video ;)
The reason the kontakt patches seem to take up less memory is because you have Kontakt set to load a small percentage of each sample, in the "Instrument preload buffer size" in the preferences. Try disabling this option and you will see a significant increase in memory being taken up by the very same patch.
This is for those who make use of the KMS but don't want to load full samples to it. The first few kB of the sample is loaded into memory and once triggered, the rest is streamed from disk.
The thing is La strings are a $1000, and the entire Complete Composers Collection from East West is $800, including Hollywood Brass, Hollywood Woodwinds, and other stuff.
***** And students (like me!) get half off. $399 for the collection! And ofcourse I bought practically every library except fab four, so it came out to like $915.
***** don't forget the extra $50 for an iLok and an extra $100 a year for the iLok subscription, which East/West has on all their software!
bonsushi Really!? I already had an Ilok from when I bought pro tools, and I didn't hear of any subscription.
***** There's no subscription fee. That is through the iLok company and you don't have to get it. Plus right now HS is half off for everyone. (399 for the diamond version)
Will there ever be a part 2?
Thank you Daniel for this video, very useful. Indeed HS are very large patches to load (and to think that you just loaded the patches with the default mics) ! :-) As you know, If you want to load all the four mics, your beard grows during the wait but, on the other hand, the final sound is great.
you have some of these samples and VSTS link to get me through?
What program are you using broham? and the VST?
You have a very comfortable and honest approach while being technical. Nicely done.
Personally, I chose Symphobia in the first place, followed by LASS. And last Hollywood Strings.
By the way, thank you very much to dazexus who has done a very good review. Your review is very helpful for the composer to decide, which one is most appropriate library for them. I personally appreciate your efforts. Thanks again.
Hey Daniel,
How's your buffer size set?
did Hollywoods Strings PLAY system get any better since you made this video? I love the sound but scared of PLAY.... What do you think Daniel?
It's very helpful I see difference between HS and LASS
Hey, how has Play been working since the upgrade to Play 3? I've noticed a lot of improvement, so if you've given up on it try upgrading first before completely putting it away.
Very very helpful!! Could you do a video comparing Hollywood Brass and Cinebrass, if you haven't already?
Thanks for the video review. HS sounds the best to my ears, but I agree that the load time is not to encouraging.
Hello Daniel
Do you know if the Play's engine issues have been worked out already? What do you think of the Hollywood libraries coming on an usb3 SSD nowadays?
They do? I recently bought one and it was a normal HD.....shit did i miss something? :\
They did advertise the libraries as coming on an usb-3 SSD, however apparently they're running out of physical inventory (going for a download-only business model now, it seems)