Muhammad DIDN'T receive the Qur'an? Here's why! (#2)
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- Did the Qur'an come from Muhammad?
Absolutely NOT! It looks like the Qur'an did not come from Muhammad at all.
In fact the very earliest Qur'ans which have been handed down through the centuries were first written down in the 8th century, and continued to proliferate for another 200 years, until in the 10th to 15th centuries they finally chose a total of 30 different Qur'ans from amongst hundreds which existed in the Muslim world at that time.
No wonder they finally had to pick just one amongst them, the Hafs text, in 1924, and throw out the other 29, so that they could have just one official Qur'an.
But that was chosen less than 100 years ago by a man who lived 1400 years after Muhammad, and thus never knew him or heard what he said. What's more, the version he picked was written by another man in 794 AD, which is 144 years after Muhammad, and lived in Kufa, Iraq, nowhere near where Muhammad lived.
So much for believing that the Qur'an was an eternal and un-created book, revealed to just one man, which Muslims still claim was compiled in just 22 years.
It turns out that for all of these centuries we have been told a lie.
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This is an eye opener! Thank you brothers in Christ! I still have relatives who are die hard Muslims, and i am praying they will one day come to Jesus. ❤
@sattaurnikki ....
Don't worry about your relatives. They are already in the right path. Don't mislead them to join you in suffering the scorching heat of the fire in Hell. -09-28-23
no need, he is closer to jesus than you are
Muslims, all over world, love jesus, and to be muslim, should believe jesus, how they can come back to jesus😂
@@defenderoftruth3212 but Allah (PBUH) and his partner is not the right path my precious Abdul.
Thank you Jay Smith for your dedication in this field 👌👍❤️🙏
Christian Fellows;
Did Jesus said I died on cross?
__ Did Jesus said I am God ?
__ Did Jesus said worship me ?
__ Did Jesus said I am the last Prophet ?
__ Did Jesus said eat pork and disobey God, since God declared Pig a dirty animal, and commanded not to consume it?
__ Did Jesus said do not circumcise ?
__ Did Jesus said do not worship God, but me?
What do you follow from Jesus?
These Guys does not know their own Bible and trying to comment on Quran, and Islam. What a Joke.
In Entire New Testament Jesus never ever claim to be God, but they are determined to accuse Jesus, what Jesus never claim.
Shame on them.
Yes his field is sniffing buts of Muslims. Since last 20 plus years he is doing this, and you know what he gets. Bad smell of shit only.
He did spent his life to learn Religion. Wasted all his life, he failed when he was young, and still he got defeated by young Mohammed Hijab in UK.
I feel sad for his failures.
@romatua simanjuntak
Peace be with you and your family;
I am honored, when you said I am student of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat ( r.a.).
What faith you think you follow other then Islam, lets discuss God and Godhood according to your own Scriptures. I promise, I will not refer any thing from Quran unless you convince it is The Truth, and want to learn.
So what faith you think you follow if other then Islam?
I am waiting my dear.
@romatua simanjuntak
Pasting again just in case you missed earlier.
@romatua simanjuntak
Peace be with you and your family;
I am honored, when you said I am student of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat ( r.a.).
What faith you think you follow other then Islam, lets discuss God and Godhood according to your own Scriptures. I promise, I will not refer any thing from Quran unless you convince it is The Truth, and want to learn.
So what faith you think you follow if other then Islam?
I am waiting my dear.
God bless you guys! You are knocking it out of the park, every single time. Another brilliant presentation.
Sneaker's Corner
Dr. Jay Smith and Al Fadi are Embarrassing
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@@mdesyeticamat2235 You are kidding me, right? Farid is a joke.
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@ FACT: JAY SMITH RUNS AWAY FROM DEBATE CHALLENGES
Two Sundays ago, prominent Muslim debaters, Br. Zakir Hussain and Br. Ayaz Uddin, met Jay Smith at Hyde Park and challenged him to two debates. Smith refused to debate on the topic whether Jesus is God or not, his reasoning as he states is that it’s clearly obvious and thus not debatable. Well, can’t Brs. Zakir and Ayaz reply the same, that the Prophet’s prophethood is obvious and thus, not debatable?
I find it very odd, that Jay Smith, religiously goes to Hyde Park to debate about Islam & Christianity, and when challenged with an actual debate, he refuses to do so. What is the point of screaming at people every Sunday, and boasting about your debate skills, if you’re refusing to debate on a stage, for a scheduled and moderated debate?
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1. Jay Smith Runs Away From Zakir Hussain's Debate Challenge [Enable CC/ Subtitles]
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2. Jay Smith Runs Away from Zakir Hussains Second Debate Challenge! [Enable CC/ Subtitles]
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What is Jay afraid of? Why is he running from Muslims? Can any Christian tell us?
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@ FACT: JAY SMITH’S RUNNING SCARED AFTER UNFORESEEN DISASTER
Jay Smith’s claims during his debate with Dr. Shabir about the Qur’an have seemed to cause more trouble than he initially thought they would. See, during the debate, he claimed to have introduced new research by a colleague of his, Dan Brubaker, based on Dan’s thesis on changes in the (manuscripts of the) Qur’an. Jay had stated that Dan’s thesis would not be published until next year and so Muslims would not have been aware of its contents. However, the University that Dan Brubaker submitted his thesis through, Rice University, made his thesis available publicly. Jay, nor Dan seemed to have known this, which is why Jay assumed Muslims would have to wait one full year before they would be able to read Dan’s thesis and respond to the claims in it. Which also meant Muslims would have to wait one full year to respond to Jay’s claims based on Dan’s thesis which he made during the debate.
Unfortunately for both Dan and Jay, we got our hands on the thesis quite some time ago and already picked it apart. So when Jay was on the stage during his debate with Dr. Shabir, and he assumed that Muslims would have no idea of what he was saying or what the thesis contained, he made some pretty silly claims to bolster his bravado. Jay has now run into a major problem. After I posted that we had possession of Dan’s thesis and proved this with the thesis’ cover image, the University removed the thesis and it is no longer available. So we have a few questions that need to be answered:
1. Why was the thesis removed after my article was published?
2. Did Jay ask Dan to ask the University to remove it?
3. Why would Dan suddenly request for the University to remove the thesis?
4. Dan did not request the University to remove the thesis after the debate, so why the day after my article?
5. Did Dan give Jay the entire thesis or just a few photos?
6. If Dan did give Jay the entire thesis, why did Jay only claim to have taken a few photos?
7. If Jay did read Dan’s thesis, is he aware that he openly contradicts what Dan states?
8. Is Dan aware that Jay claimed things of Dan’s thesis that do not exist within it?
9. Why has the University removed the thesis?
10. Who requested the thesis be removed?
For those who’d like to see where Dan’s thesis was once available and now is miraculously removed from the University’s page, please see our Brother Ahmed’s accessing of it:
1islam.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/cc-2014-riceuniversity.jpg?w=694&h=173
This article has been sent to Jay Smith. Will he respond to the questions, or does he realise he’s in a bit of a conundrum? Has Jay been put in an awkward position? Its sudden removal is quite telling. Jay does have reason to be concerned, why else would it be removed? Why else would Jay have Dan request the University to remove it? Jay knows that he’s screwed up big time and the fun is only just starting!
See! More on Jay Smith:
JAY SMITH CONCEDES HE ISN’T FAMILIAR WITH THE SOURCES USED
callingchristians.com/2014/10/03/jay-smith-concedes-he-isnt-familiar-with-the-sources-used/
UPDATE ON THE PAPER, “RESPONSE TO JAY SMITH’S MISTAKES”
callingchristians.com/2014/10/09/update-on-the-paper-response-to-jay-smiths-mistakes/
JAY SMITH’S STORY DOES NOT ADD UP
callingchristians.com/2014/11/18/jay-smiths-story-does-not-add-up/
DEBATE REVIEW: JAY SMITH AND YUSUF ISMAIL - THE BIBLICAL AND QURANIC APPROACH TO PEACE & VIOLENCE
callingchristians.com/2015/08/09/debate-review-jay-smith-and-yusuf-islam-the-biblical-and-quranic-approach-to-peace-violence/
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@ FACT: A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF JAY SMITH'S [PfanderFilms] MISTAKES ABOUT THE QUR'AN
• Analysis Of Jay Smith’s Allegations About The Qur’an
MISTAKE #1:
“One of the problem’s that we’ve had is that we’ve not really been able to look at the Qur’an.” - 18:22.
At the very beginning of his presentation, Jay Smith attempts to falsely establish a conspiratorial narrative in which he claims that the Islamic world has been trying to prevent academic research of the Qur’an’s extant4 manuscripts. This however, cannot be more than furthest from the truth. It is universally known that the greatest Orientalist attempt at studying the Qur’anic manuscripts was undertaken by the Germans in the 20th century in which 15, 000+ photographs were taken of Qur’anic manuscripts located worldwide, unimpeded by the Muslim world. Consequent to this, the infamous history of the hiding of these photographs by Orientalists themselves, is recorded as follows:
“As a preliminary result there was finally gathered a comprehensible mass of material stored with Bergstrasser in Munich, not the least a collection of about 15,000 photographs of folios of very old Koran codices from all over the world. As the one who inherited the task of continuing after World War 2 the work of his teacher Bergstrasser (d. 1933) and of Arthur Jeffery, and meanwhile as the successor to the chair of Bergstrasser in Munich, Spitaler spread the rumor that these materials had perished in the bomb attacks on Munich in the last months of World War 2. Still further, in a note from 1972 in a publication of his (see Rudi Paret [ed.], Der Koran, Darmstadt 1975, p.413) Spitaler fostered this rumor. But now in the ending 1990s it comes out that he was in possession of these approximately 15,000 photographs all the time since 1945, obviously to keep everybody else aloof from them in order to reserve exclusively to himself the right and possibility of exploiting them in the hope of producing something outstanding in Koran scholarship - what in the end he was obviously incapable of achieving. Such behaviour is well known in the history of scholarship as characteristic of mediocre scholars who never develop a sense of unselfish scholarship as mere search for truth but are oriented solely on their own personal career and questionable fame.” - “A Challenge to Islam for Reformation by Gunter Luling, Preface, XXI.”
At this point, the quote that Jay uses at the timestamp of 18:29 is from Shaykh Muhammad Mustafa al-’Azami’s, “The History of the Qur’an: From Revelation to Compilation”, p. 315. As will become quite apparent, Jay’s modus operandi from this point onward is to mention the name of an author and to provide some apparent information4 based on these author’s works5, which when examined in relation to what he has claimed, there appears to be a consistent pattern of inventing conclusions, misrepresenting the research done or by manufacturing information outright.
4. While making his claims, Jay presents a bundle of papers grasped in his hands in which he states that the information from the authors he is appealing to, is contained within that bundle. However, not once does he give a citation from that bundle of papers. What is perplexing is that he ad libs his way through most of his presentation and never references a single quote from that bundle of papers. If anyone can provide an instance in which he cites a book by Dr. Deroche and gives a page number, I’ll be amazed. He attempts to convince the crowd that he has done his research by waving this bundle of papers around, but surprisingly he can’t give a single complete book, journal or thesis reference!
5. The literature of the authors he mentions by name, patently disagrees with his claims. One has to ask, has he actually read these works or not?
MISTAKE #2:
“Now up till a few years ago there was not much we could do about this claim, there was not much we Christians could do or anybody else because we were not given access to these manuscripts. We could go to the Topkapi Manuscripts, which is the one there in Istanbul, the one which most Muslims would look at as their standard. We couldn’t go to the Samarkand which was in Tashkent, we couldn’t go to the Husseini Manuscripts which was in Cairo.” - 19:48.
I (the author) am quite surprised that he claims Christians were not given access to these manuscripts with the exception of up until a few years ago. This is odd, considering that one of the foremost works on the Husseini Manuscripts in which four folios were published was by Bernhard Mortiz in the year 19056. It is perhaps Jay’s intention to bolster the validity of his conspiratorial idea7, by claiming that Christians were denied access to the Cairo manuscripts for religious purposes. He fails to mention however, that the restriction was due to a major political fallout8 in the years following the British Occupation of Egypt from 1882 to 1953.
His claims about the manuscripts from Samarqand are perhaps even more deceitful. The Samarqand manuscripts were studied extensively in Russia, not Uzbekistan, but in the city of St. Petersburg in 1891 by the Russian Orientalist A. Shebunin. The facsimile edition of the manuscripts was published by the Orientalist S. Pissareff in 1905, also from St. Petersburg in Russia. Dr. Saifullah documents9 that many folios from the codex have appeared in various auctions in the Western world. They appeared in America in the 1940’s, and were also auctioned off in London in 1992, 1993 and
6. See, Bernhard Moritz’s, “Arabic Palaeography: A Collection of Arabic Texts From the First Century of the Hidjra Till the Year 1000”, 1905.
7. His conspiracy theory, as previously stated is that the Islamic world hid the manuscripts from Christians so that they would not be able to examine them. This despite the Christian-Orientalist world having had access to them and publishing works about those manuscripts, as well as taking photographs of them since the 19th century.
8. I could be wrong, but according to history, the natives of a militarily occupied nation may not necessarily be enthusiastic to cooperate with their colonial masters. If Jay is willing to explain how the British military occupation of Egypt did not contribute to the lack of cooperation between the native Egyptians and their colonial occupiers, I’d be willing to give him the time he needs to justify his reasoning, however long or impossible that may be.
9. See, Dr. Saifullah’s history of the manuscript with full citations in his article, “The Qur’an of ‘Uthman at Tashkent (Samarqand)”.
MISTAKE #3:
“It is those 6 manuscripts that I’m going to zero in on, it is those manuscripts that we’ve finally, finally had Muslims look at.” - 20:46.
Does he mean the extensive codifying/ cataloguing of them which has already been done for some time now, or does he mean the studying and examining of them? It’s obvious the former was done, otherwise how were the other books in Mistake #2 compiled? If he means the latter, then that already has been done for quite some time by Muslim scholars. One such work is Mu’gam al-Qira’at al-Qur’anniya by Ahmad Muhtar Umar and Abd al - al Salim Mukarram which has gone through two editions in Kuwait and at least one printing in Iran. There was also Mu’gam al - Qira’at by Abd al Latif Muhammad Hatib published in Syria10.
Jay then proceeds to refer to Dr. Tayyar Altıkulaç and Dr. Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu whom he mentions here but never references once during his entire opening statement. We must ask if he has ever read any of their works or is he simply mentioning their names as an appeal to authority11, he also foregoes another scholar’s work published since 197212.
1. See, Arabica 57 (2010), p. 415 for more information and full citations as provided by Dr. Sadeghi. It’s interesting that Smith appeals to Dr. Sadeghi later in the debate, he even mentions that he’s read Dr. Sadeghi’s works. If he has indeed read Dr. Sadeghi’s published works, how can he possibly not know of the studies done by Muslim scholars on those manuscript collections which Dr. Sadeghi references and mentions by name numerous times in his journal publication?
2. Jay Smith frequently mentions the names of these two Muslim Turkish scholars, but not once does he quote them or give a single citation from them. There is one point later in the debate in which he references the number 93 from Dr. Deroche’s work but gives his own analysis and draws his own conclusions, which contradicts Dr. Deroche’s own conclusions.
3. See, S. al-Munajjid’s, “Dirasat fi Tareekh al-Khatt al-’Arabi Mundhu Bidayatihi ila Nihayat al-’Asr al-Umawi”, 1972. ...more
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To read the whole contents of this quite an extremely, lengthy article, click on the link below:
thedebateinitiative.com/2015/07/08/a-critical-analysis-of-jay-smiths-mistakes-about-the-quran-2/
Thank you I learned so much from your lectures. God bless you.
Psalms 20: 1-4
Christian Preachers vs Muslims;
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(watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
Confident prediction: someone is going to pipe up in the comments saying "Jay is stupid. The Quran was revealed in 7 dialects. That's all he's talking about and we all know that."
Pre-emptive response: however many versions Mohammed had, Uthman is supposed to have allowed only ONE version to exist. EITHER the story about Uthman is false (in which case Islam is in trouble) OR all the variants we now find came into existence after Uthman (in which case the Quran has not been perfectly preserved and Islam is in trouble).
Why let a little “shaky story” get in the way of a good echo chamber
If these discoveries were made about Christianity it would be splashed across all the newspapers all over the world and the news cycle would be ceaseless - but everything you discover about this religion barely causes a tiny little ripple. Extraordinary
You would have atrocities like Charlie Hebdo all around the world. They can't handle the truth.
@@mindscape1621 I hope so. Let it be.
@mysotiras6
'It is willing to tolerate a criminal like Muhammad...'
Really? How could you 'lie' against such the so-called 'greatest figure' on earth? Let's hear it.
@@mdesyeticamat2235 How is He the so-called 'Greatest Figure' on earth?
Care to explain?
God bless you :)
Because they all fake and lies. They r just filled with enmosity and emotions. No facts.
Wonderful research. Thank you Dr Jay and Al Fadi .
You gentlemen have a treasure trove of knowledge in the volume of your presentations.
Thank you kindly Brother for your dedication to the Lord
Jay has a video from 2016
"Examining the Newest Historical Research on Islam and the Earliest Quranic Manuscripts - Jay Smith"
About 1hour long, it is on the channel FOCLOnline
At the end of this video he talks about early manuscripts (in museums) and how they are examined- I wish we can get an upated version of this segment :)
Christian Preachers vs Muslims;
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(watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
From the Philippines
- 🤩 THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK, MR. AL FAHDI & DR. JAY S.👍
Watched all the videos , on cira...refreshing them again...👍
I'm waiting for the 21st century edition by Dr Yasir Qadhi , filling the holes in the narrative.
bob fisher
FACT: YASIR QADHI
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Does Yasir Qadhi Reject The Hudud?
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Yasir Qadhi & LGBT
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Christian Preachers vs Muslims;
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(watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
🧒👍Wow awesome info
I'd like to see Jay and Al Fadi do a video on the Al Aqsa mosque ( not the the Dome of Rock). This mosque wasn't built when Muhammad went on his alleged night journey.
Thank you for all the work your doing, excellent presentations and making this kind of information accessible to lay people.
There was no night journey .. it was copied from zaroastrian
God bless Jay and Al Fadi.🙏🙏💕💕
Nailed it
Yeah, he got nailed all right.
Edit: I kinda agree that the qurans that muslims are reading are from the 12th, 14th century and 1924.But not from the 7th century and the hafs one is pretty interesting because hafs was a student!. I saw one manuscript which I think was in the 7th century probably pre islamic that had red dots and some didn't had dots. The arabic letters were pretty big. Much love Jay and Alfadi keep exposing the truth!✝️
When was the earliest complete Koran compiled, with all 114 Suras?? How old is the oldest manuscript??
Amen...so that souls may be saved...and none of the muslims should perish.
Another interesting point, Hafs was a known scammer, he was notorious for stealing books and plagiarizing them. That was the reason why all of his hadiths were rejected. Nothing coming from him was to be trusted. Do you suppose that might be one of the reasons for all the plagiarism in the Quran? That Hafs wasn't just the transmitter, but he plagairized those earlier stories, put them in the Quran, and then put his name on it to make money?
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@@user-vw1qn1er1l I neither know Hafs nor his story but I believe one can understand why he stole and plagiarized books. He was a transmitter of the Qur'an. He had to ingest it fully and recite it the same way. He was not supposed to alter that book and was praised for it. If it is that good, why not doing the same thing with other books? Worse, the way I understand one is supposed to read the Qur'an is to carefully avoid asking questions about it, avoid trying to understand it and carefully fill oneself with the holy scripture while evacuating any personal thought about it. Anything going that way is considered good and desirable. Anything he met going in that same direction was then accepted first and without thinking about it. It confirmed the holy book why refusing to believe in it?
If he was chosen because he was the most popular of the transmitters, I consider it means he was accepted at his time. That goes in the direction of my idea.
None of this proves anything but his work is the chosen one, the unaltered version of the Qur'an is his. I bet there exists texts praising him. Remember I do not know Hafs.
Dr. Jay and Al Fadi, both of you have done tremendous job. God bless both of you
I still can't get over that Star Wars-style intro.
A long time ago, in a fantasy world far, far away, there lived a man called Muhammad.
😁😂😁😂
God bless you for such deep research
There is an old medieval play that circulated around Europe during the time of the Islamic assault on Spain and Europe. It was produce a troupe medieval actors that were all midgets. The main character was Mohammed and the rest were his follower
In the play there is a scene Mohammed gets the first Koran. He goes up to a midget actor and instruct him to bend down. Mohammed then reaches in the actors rear end and pulls out a Koran. As I watch your video it seems no one knows where Mohammed got his Koran. Hence the medieval play is as good an explanation as any.
How did you hear about this?
Hey John. Maybe Momo got it while he had fits? See what these two ex-Muslim podcasters revealed about an epileptic prophet who might have seizers which explains the gobblish way the Quar'an was compiled. Check these podcasts on here #epilepticprophet
@@jonahtisamphd.6101 love your comments
@@jonahtisamphd.6101 What's the name of that play? There's a theory that rye bread during the Dark and Middle ages caused hallucinations as a result of a mould that grew on it. If you ate the mouldy bread, you'd be consuming a form of Ergometrine which is a drug that has been used during childbirth - one of the side effects of this drug can be hallucinations. Has anyone studied the diet of C7 Middle Easterners to see if this was likely?
Awsome work. Just the facts needed.
Assuming Jesus was who Christians say he is; it’s interesting to note, and worth noting, that he chose to not leave us documents that he himself had written. Logically we initially think and wish that he had. But in Islam, which has chosen to follow this strategy, we can see the problems that run with this. For starters, it can end up with humans worshiping every grammatical mark as if it were God himself. But the mega-meta issue is that it immediately begins to chisel away at free-will that we know God created us with. There’s plenty in the Judeo-Christian text to suggest that God purposely created us; that he purposely gave us free will, which also created metaphysical/theological problems for us, for which Christ then is the fix. That all fits. But we also know that what logic is to humans, and we like logic, paradox appears to be for God. Jesus came and he taught, but he delegated, he left it to us to write the book of his teachings - and some how it has turned out to be much better than if he had sate down and wrote it himself. Among other things, Jesus was much more concerned about our intent than in our meeting every letter of the law, he didn’t want us worshipping every grammatical mark of a text - this was some of the problem with the approach of the Old Testament, which is one reason why Jesus said “I came to fulfill the law.” Nobody else could fulfill the law, and by focusing on acts instead of intent, it got people away from dealing with people’s intent which he saw as much more important. Again, this is about how we manifest the free will that he gave us - he gave it to us because he thought it was important that we have it - how often to religious people try to give back to God the free will that God gave us? Free-will and our coming to God via our own volition, we love him by our own volition - that is the divine paradox he wanted of us. The Muslims can’t deal with divine paradox too well. “How can there be a three in one God?”, and how can a book written by humans be the word of God and not become corrupted along the way by humans? But now we know the paradox - the Bible was preserved by a pre-modern form of what today we call “block-chain” technology. The “block’ is the “data”, the data gets copied and distributed across a number of nodes, if one of those nodes “becomes” corrupted, it is fixed by way of comparison with the vast number of other recordings in the chain of distribution. This is the paradox: in their desire for certainty in their document Islam has failed to have a certain document, while Christianity in its looser approach and without emphasis in absolute divine certainty has nevertheless arrived with a much more trust worthy document. One of Islam's real problems is its obtuseness to free will. In many respects it tries to negate it, to use coercion to bring us to God, as if giving us free-will was a mistake God made and is trying to take back.
It is extremely important that the Koran be disproven as being reliable and trust worthy document. That is because of the way Islamic Jurisprudence works. The book + the jurisprudence is the source of terrorism and violence today. The book says to follow the example of the prophet. The prophet was a thief, (see John 10:10 says about thieves), an enslaver, a rapist, a murderer, a torturer and committed genocide against Jews. This is the source of so much of our strife today. Disprove the book and the authority of Mohammed over so many of today's muslims is destroyed and with it, the impulse to commit terrorism.
I'm Christian but not very orthodox and not much for proselytizing. I tend to think everyone has heard of Jesus and like the prodigal son, has to pursue their free will and hopefully find their way back to God, (that part I do pray for). But I don't have problems with people being Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, whatever - because they can find their way in peace as their free will takes them (just like the prodigal son). I do have a problem with Islam because of the terrorism, because of where it takes people, because of its deliberately anti-Christ, anti-free will, love, truth, etc... I wish it to not exist and free the 1.8 billion people trapped inside of it. So, if the Koran is proved as definitively false, it would be a great liberation for all of mankind. The anti-truth part suggests that Islam is probably not going to survive the internet age. As this comes to be realized people will fall away from Islam in increasing numbers.
Those who are in false religions “can find their way in peace”......🥴😳....can find their way WHERE? To Hell, if their death precedes their discovery of the Truth (Jesus Christ). I know we all fail in many things (James 3:2-3), but I would have to say that taking a blasé attitude to the fate of unbelievers is actually disobedience to the Great Commission as given by Jesus in Matthew 28:19-20. Surely scripture says ‘Let the redeemed of the Lord SAY SO’ (Psalm 107:2). We can’t all be world-shaking evangelists (I’m not 😩), but we should be trying to reach as many people as we possibly can, especially since we are so close to the end. Shalom in Christ ✝️ , Tom
@@tomobrien5795 “I know my sheep and my sheep know me.”
@@kaneinkansas Hyper-Calvinism, eh? 🥴
@@tomobrien5795 No, or I'm not sure about that. I defer to the parable of the Prodigal Son.
God gives us free will. He doesn't interfere. He wants us to come to him by our own volition. Much of the Gospels we are encouraged to seek the truth, Jesus even teaches us how to do that, what it looks like, what to be weary of, that sort of thing. He gave us free will, then set us free, and hopes we will come to him through our own volition. The Prodigal Son is all of our's biographies told from God's perspective.
God gave us enough free will to not choose him, and that's what we did. But out of his love for us, he doesn't want that for us, so in Christ he provides a way back to him WITHOUT US LOSING OUR FREE WILL. That perspective is explained here by an Orthodox Priest talking to an Evangelical Pastor (ua-cam.com/video/LTA8jbsm_XI/v-deo.html) Most of the theology discussion starts at about 18:30 mark.
What it suggests to me, is FREE WILL is the premier concept. God could have made us without free will in regard to him, and we would never not choose him, we would never have been be-damned, and then Jesus would not have had to have come and suffer his passion. So all of that suffering on his part is so we could be who and what we are WITH free will.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a theologian, I'm not over-religious, I don't have the bible memorized or anything like that, I just find concept and ideas to be interesting things to ponder (which is why I like to watch an Orthodox Priest have a discussion with an Evangelical Pastor), so I hope you will find no offense in this.
It seems possible to me, though I don't know whether or not he would do it, that God can love a man who was very honest, very loving, very well meaning but did not find his way to Christianity, it is up to God whether or not to save him, to be with him into eternity. Presumably that is what he did the 2nd day after he was crucified, something about descending into hell and freeing up all the good people that past away - but I don't know about that, but I think I've heard people describe that before. God can love someone who was honest, loving, caring and who sought the truth but didn't find his way all the way back to him, but in failing did so honestly, earnestly and in the pursuit of good will and truth - or so it would seem to me. Conceptually, God can do whatever he wants to do.
Brother Jesus was focus on both the act and the intent. He fulfilled the law by coming and taking up the sacrifice for sin. But he preached not to rebel nor teach to rebel against the law
Thank you for exposing lies and revealing truth again! God bless you guys!
This is really great work guys!!
More great work;
Christian Preachers vs Muslims;
ua-cam.com/video/10O-qCE146c/v-deo.html
(watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
Yeah, do a research on the Bible too...
@@MrMohdanuar9134 done. It has been tried, it has been weighed and it has been found adequate.
Dr. Jay & Dr.Fadi thank you for your sincere tireless and exhausting research on koran GBY both .
Deepak Rebentisch
Dr. Jay Smith and Al Fadi are Embarrassing
ua-cam.com/video/a3gPpl-ixPU/v-deo.html
"When the Prophet (ﷺ) became seriously ill and his disease became aggravated he asked for permission from his wives to be nursed in my house and he was allowed. He came out with the help of two men and his legs were dragging on the ground. Sahih Bukhari 665.
Why did allah kill muhammad with diesease?
It was supposed to be the effects of a caustic poison put in a meal by a Jewish woman. All the male members of her family had been killed by Mohammed's command and she offered to cook for him, he agreed. It took 2 years to kill him, and he suffered the whole time.
Because Allah has no power.
@@chrishoff402 I owe that Jeשish woman a beer.
Mohammed said ", I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison" ironically it states that if Mohammed is a false prophet he will die of having his aorta being cut.
@@hetrodoxly1203 his only correct prophecy
Bravo Al Fadi & Jay... Thank you❤🌹🙏
Good tidings to all
The Quran is not from the god of the BIBLE.
REVELATION 22:18-19;
GALATIANS 1:6-9.
Thank you very much brothers in Christ. I extremely appreciate this masterpiece 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Excellent video, exposing Islam
The amount of truth and facts that these series on mohammed and islam is staggering; I love sharing the truth with my muslim friends at work. The book and the man; Jesus and the Bible wins all the time! 🙏🏼✝️⛪️👍🏻
We should tell the truth of Gospel
Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ reigns and will always come tops. Believers don't have to lie or kill for His sake. He fights His own battles and ours too.
Dear@@davidbassey693 :
Yes! A spiritual JIHAD against what cannot be defeated by Assaulting Caravans, nor by besieging cities to kindle fires, neither by killing brave idols and NON believers, but by Blessing and Obeying JESUS:
"FORGIVE TO BE FORGIVEN" 💞=💞
* So NO need of naive suiciders expecting 72 virgins... 💥
Bye bye Armies of JIHAD forever! 🌐🕊️🆚🐪🤺
Christianity is a fraud as well... it's a wonderful story... meant to teach us right from wrong... Now it's all about power and controlling people. The Catholic Church is a multi billion dollar business now.
Dear@@kevinkarbonik2928 : JESUS is NOT the founder of the "Den of Thieves Inc." 💰🐪🤺
Even an Atheist can observe JESUS' teachings about respect to the Sovereign State, charisma & brotherhood, all the opposite of The Armies of JIHAD commiting TREASON for a Political System of religious SUPREMACISM.
wgt
Great job myth bursting.
Quran is not for disbelievers of God Almighty. Quran is not for Pagans, especially Christians and Hindus. To understand Quran, one has to be God fearing, and True follower of Jesus The Christ.Sam was running around and did not face Sheikh, now on back of Sheikh started barking like a coward.
The other two were like chicken when faced Sheikh.
Mark 14:62; " Son of man sitting on the right hand side of The Mighty One"
Who is this son of man?
Who is this The Mighty one?
@@abbasbeig3943 give CP a call.
@@abbasbeig3943 So basically, ignore the facts, just have faith. Gotcha.
@@abbasbeig3943 You pay lip service to loving a living Jesus in heaven but you reverence dead Mohammed more.
@@abbasbeig3943 You condemn mark 14:62, but forget that the quran affirms this same verse.
quran says that allah took Jesus bodily to heaven and that He(Jesus) will be coming back in the last days to defeat Satan.
You have just committed blasphemy, so be careful or you might just be stoned to dead or beheaded according to your quran.
thank you Al Fadi and Jay...may God bless you both abundantly
Hello Jay do you have a plan for a book coming out on all this material together? That would be amazing (but a lot of work)
Wonderful, Al Fadi and Jay Smith 👏
all is fiction stories of abduls..!!
Well,
their false prophet loved
tall tales too.
Thank you for standing up to Islam
This is going to give the muslims a headache trying to explain it all away, at least in a way that makes sense. They can't and will not, they will just ignore it.
God Bless you guys, great job!!!...the evangelical
God bless you Both my Brothers in Christ!
Christian Preachers vs Muslims;
ua-cam.com/video/10O-qCE146c/v-deo.html
(watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
This is not new news. Mohammad asked his cleric about how to word the Quran. That alone should be enough for Muslims to know that Allah didn't reveal it to Mohammad.
Can you give a precise reference for that please?
@@carlgrove8793 I would refer you to the scholar that runs the website Center for the Study of Political Islam.
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
(2) - وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَآمَنُوا بِمَا نُزِّلَ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَهُوَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّهِمْ ۙ كَفَّرَ عَنْهُمْ سَيِّئَاتِهِمْ وَأَصْلَحَ بَالَهُمْ
And those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what has been sent down upon Muhammad - and it is the truth from their Lord - He will remove from them their misdeeds and amend their condition.
(3) - ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اتَّبَعُوا الْبَاطِلَ وَأَنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّبَعُوا الْحَقَّ مِنْ رَبِّهِمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ لِلنَّاسِ أَمْثَالَهُمْ
That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, and those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah present to the people their comparisons.
But, but, but... It's perfectly preserved!
Nuff Said!
No time for that because he was sooo busy with his many wives
U mean flying donkey and men an boys
And when Mo couldnt get his pecker up he would blame Jews lmao
Nixon makunga
You know what! You should be informed and realized that you are 'lying' against such the so-called 'greatest figure' on earth.
No need to be crass. This is a very sensitive subject and as a muslim it’s difficult enough to listen to these presentations with an open mind. Your ignorant comments provide no compassion or assistance to realizing truths that are very hard hitting for muslims. If you don’t have anything productive to say maybe you should hold your tongue instead, please for peace sake
do give the One n Only Living GOD Time (HIS kingdom comes HIS will be done on earth as IT IS in heaven) to expose the fake from the TRUTH.
I am amazed by the meaning of the versus the speaker showed when he opened the book at minute 9:51. I was able to see from verse 74 to verse 89. The meaning of these versus is the perfect answer to the non sense both men are debating. I sincerely advise both men and all readers to go read the translation of these versus of Al-zukhruf chapter (The Decoration). These versus are truly the perfect answer to what these two men are claiming. Isn’t this a miracle by itself?
Dr. Jays little book(Quran) is so cute.
Speakers- and Sneakers -corner meeting = Powerful knowledge. Thank you all
As Christians we are by nature tolerant, but does not mean that we should not fight back against untruths and tyranny.
So Mohammad story of flying horse to Jerusalem was made by someone else? I suspect the name of the horse was Bucephalus. .
At least Bucephalus and his rider existed and were recorded properly in history through documents and art.
Thanks guys.
Top work.
All new for me, you are communicating complex info at a very understandable level I think.
Staggering examination of the books these gentlemen are taking us on here.
After watching your video, I want you canonise my own book and start my own, new religion and become a rich, criminal-cult-prophet soon.
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The Prophet (PBUH) of Islam was never rich in worldly possessions. It is reported that he gave away every thing he received during day light hours before night fall. By today's standards he lived in poverty.
@@sidprice6214 Prove it with physical evidence and eyewitness accounts. First of all, your Qurans never say that Allah ever sent his words to anybody named Mohammed. Go check your facts first. Your Allah claims to have sent his word only to Moses and Jesus.
@@peacock69mcp Obviously you are not very knowledgeable in the Islamic historical tradition. One just has to look at the books of Hadeeth and Sira (eyewitness accounts) to see the narrations of scores of people who were witness to the Prophet's living conditions. In addition why don't you have a look at the house (physical evidence) he lived in - it wasn't exactly a palace - its there on the internet if only you can put your prejudice aside.
First we were talking about the Prophet's living conditions and physical possessions and now you open a completely new argument about what the Quran does or doesn't say. Why don't we settle the first matter before diving into your next argument. Go and read the Hadeeth and Sira and see for yourself what it says.
We Muslims were never told the truth. The liar was chosen by the Egyptian and the older texts were deleted to make it a book of lust and hatred. Can you find us the older verses.
older texts were much more violent about mohammad
This is incredible stuff.
We don't know if Al Heddad chose a previous version of Hafs or whether he mixed up the contents from the other 6 versions of Hafs that have been identified.
Great ongoing work on the non historicity of Mohammed's Quran. But it is not true to say any of the gospels were eye witness accounts. They are from unknown authors, supposedly written 40 to 70+ years after the timeline of the story but no complete copies for over 100 years (like the Quran) and they never claimed to be eye witnesses.
We do know that the Gospels were eye-witness accounts or accounts from eye-witnesses. We know John was from John through Polycarp for example. There were people in the church who knew the people who wrote the Gospels even though the authors didn't put their own names in the Gospels themselves. So we know the authorship through lines of discipleship.
@@oprophetisfake9482 Of course, the same argument can be made regarding the historical status of the Traditions of Mohammed, except that in those cases we do know the exact names of the witnesses.
@@carlgrove8793 In the traditions of Muhammad we know squat! Except that it is is very very very very doubtful that the Muhammad in them ever even existed. I suppose that you are joking about Al Bukhari etc 240 years of he said that he said that he said with completely unknown people in the isnaads. Even your Qur'an is from a known falsifier of isnaads from Kufa who didn't transmit the Qur'an of Aasim but instead produced his own different Arabic qira'at version of the Quran.
Oh sorry, did I say Hafs an Aasim? What I meant to say was a new version of Hafs an Aasim only produced by the university of Cairo in 1924 Egypt.
@@oprophetisfake9482 Interesting. I was just exchanging words with another anti Islam commentator, except that he was attacking Mohammed as a sex-mad warmonger. Now you say he never existed! How is it that the general consensus among scholars who have made Islam their special field is that he did exist and he wasn't the bloodthirsty maniac that some claim? The fact is that when you study this particular web site, which presents itself as an objective entity, you find it is in reality a Pro-Christianity propaganda machine. As someone who has no religious affiliations I can only recommend that you read what more even-handed writers have said about Mohammed -- Karen Armstrong's excellent biography is worth getting.
@@carlgrove8793 The fact is your so called scholars are all rabid pro Muslim apologists and not real scholars at all. The reason why real scholars see him as either a blood thirsty maniac or someone who never existed is the Muslim sources themselves. If you believe the Muslim sources and actually read hadiths for yourself you find that Muhammad is described in the Muslim sources as a blood thirsty maniac - sort of like the worst ever pirate of the sea. Whereas if you look at the late date of all the Muslim sources you see them all as unreliable in the first place and then scientific analysis of the Quran, the qiblas, the coins and what other sources say about the Arabs even sixty, seventy, a hundred years after Muhammad is supposed to have died and questions about whether Muhammad is a name to begin with you come to the conclusion that the Muslim Muhammad is for the most part a pure myth transposed from a different place and time.
What is the deal with Qurayshi dialect and Mecca/Medina, was it not Petra and what dialect was spoken in Petra?
If the oldest manuscripts are "rasms" are these even capable of expressing dialects? Did people in Mecca use the more developed south Arabic script?
What other contemporary or earlier documents other than the Quran exist, in rasms or better scripts?
If Uthman supposedly standardized the text in the Qurayshi dialect, and if he was only using "rasms", was dialectal distinction even possible?
If Uthmans texts were so definitive, why then are later "standardizations" produced?
If none of the Uthman codexes are preserved, did they even exist, or was it just folklore?
Likely some figure named, or later called Mohamed, must have existed, and rich folklore embellished his achievements.
Dissecting the Quran is like dissecting a turd, you know what it is even before you start, and the more you dig the worse it smells. Finding anything good in there is unlikely. Convincing people that miasma can be converted into something useful is fortuitous.
Wonder full job👏👏👏👏thank you🙏
Keep your gud work Fadi n Jay .....
Allah's book is very clear about
all things except which one
of the 30-over versions
is unquestionably the
legit one from him to you...
If you recite from
the wrong one, muslims,
what do you think would
happen to you ?
Don't get allah mad, now...
You know how
obssessive compulsive
he gets about the details.
You don't seem to understand the simple difference between what are considered different versions and different recitations. God wasted His time giving you a brain.
Koran never existed until Century after Muhhamed in fragments completed 2 centuries later all man made!
God bless you thank you for your heard work🙏🙏👍
May God bless Dr. Jay and live long.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ
The Word of God is not the Qur'an.
Jesus is The Temple that was destroyed and rebuilt in 3 days. He is the Lamb of God for the whole world, like Abels/Habils Lamb.
Trust in him and you will be saved.
You knowledge and understanding of Islam is under". O"
Svi ti tvoji pratioci koji ti se zahvalju nistu ni svjesni da ih vodiš u pakao .Tvoja velika mržnja prema Islamu je pomutila tvoj razum..Molim dragog Boga da vam da razum i da shvatite da niste u pravu i da vas , Bog spasi od paklene vatre.Bog je samo jedan za sve nas!
Sometimes you say muhammad didn't exist now you say he didn't receive quran
Are you confused?
I've always appreciated your work. But I always got lost in the 'name salad'. The power point charts help out immensely and to tell you the truth I'd be lost without them.
These Guys does not know their own Bible and trying to comment on Quran, and Islam. What a Joke.
In Entire New Testament Jesus never ever claim to be God, but they are determined to accuse Jesus, what Jesus never claim.
Shame on them.
read more and try to understand but not our Bible first your qurann and then you can compare with bible.
Christian Fellows;
Did Jesus said I died on cross?
__ Did Jesus said I am God ?
__ Did Jesus said worship me ?
__ Did Jesus said I am the last Prophet ?
__ Did Jesus said eat pork and disobey God, since God declared Pig a dirty animal, and commanded not to consume it?
__ Did Jesus said do not circumcise ?
__ Did Jesus said do not worship God, but me?
What do you follow from Jesus?
There are two different findings of manuscrips, both dating back to the VII. century, the Birmingham and the Sana'a manuscripts. Those can qualify as the Uthman canonization.
You mention Baghdad, Damascus, and other places north of Arabia. All these places have large Jewish populations with Hebrew writings about Abraham. Hmmm. Kinda coincidental.
How do your excellent points align with the throroughly attested times/events of the Arab conquests? Please do an episode specific to world events versus development of Islam. What were the conquerors using for scripture and justification?
The contemporary of Muhammad knew from the first day that the words he was speaking is not Mecca dialect but of bedouin. The book is a repetition of books starting from the creation, Adam and Eve. Each book is of different style dating the oldest to be two centuries old bedouin dialect, which in last version of Quran is classified in chronological order from latest to the oldest. Most of these books start with a strange announcement "We are the people of Israel" says the voice . This phrase is totally neglected by the muslims as it contradicts the belief that Allah spoke directly to the prophet. The reality as early scholars understood, Allah gave his massage throughout two centuries to the Israelits who escaped from Qumran chased by the Romans, and they communicate to Muhammad the massage. By this, the prophets of Islam are the Israelits and not Muhammad who simply was postman.
Interesting but my only problem is use the same Methodology to look at your own beliefs system you’ll find it enlightening
*Al-Kindi expressed himself clearly in the 9th century when he wrote that the Quran had been pieced together from different histories by a number of authors. What’s more he regarded this as common knowledge at the time! Centuries later #Khaldun claimed that the tradition had been created specifically for the Umayyads and Abbasids, but not for the Shi’ites or Karjites!!
* Abū Yūsuf Yaʻqūb ibn ʼIsḥāq aṣ-Ṣabbāḥ al-Kindī was an Arab Muslim polymath active as a philosopher, mathematician, physician, and music theorist. Al-Kindi was the first of the Islamic peripatetic philosophers, and is hailed as the "father of Arab philosophy". Al-Kindi was born in Kufa and educated in Baghdad.
# Ibn Khaldun was an Arab sociologist, philosopher, and historian widely acknowledged to be one of the greatest social scientists of the Middle Ages, and considered by many to be the father of historiography, sociology, economics, and demography studies.
From where did the Bible come from, and to whom it was being sent to? Who was the sender, and who was the recipient? -09-11-23
According to Ibn Umar and Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, one chapter, Surah al-Ahzab had 200 verses in Muhammad’s time. Yet, once Uthman was finished only 73 verses remained, eliminating nearly 140 verses. This tradition is also confirmed by Ubay b. Kabb. (True Guidance, p. 61- citing Al-Suyuti’s al-Itqan fii ulum al-Qur'an on nasikh wa mansukh and Darwaza’s al-Qur'an Al-Majid)
I know this is over 2 years after this video was posted but I still have this question.
In muslim schools do they even teach the history of their people or do they just teach what the Qur'an teaches and nothing else?
I'm son of Mary
I was accused at a muslim table of being evil , they said they was good..read revelation explained what was happening
Revelation explained evil would try exactly what was said to this son
In the United Kingdom honest
Then I stood near a tree just observing
A soul stood next to this son
Saying I know who you are
I replied how do you know WHO I AM
They replied they was in the cross next to me
And they said I wasn't the thief
That's why Christ know Islam isn't of God of heaven
I'm white lion of Judah
AMEN
Hi Kind people
I would like to find all of your youtube videos about Muhammad. Can you collect them in one place please, in the sequence that are to be seen please. It is difficult , for me, to find them in the correcrt sequence. I am an old man , 76, and ..... thank you
regards
Mr Michael Carmicheal
Good luck with that.
Gospel accounts are NOT eye witness accounts. At best its hearsay. These guys should.know that.
But deliberately choose not to.
Looking up his backstory, I'm curious. Where did Al Fadi go to college and aquire his English skills? Not saying it's bad at all just he's from Saudi Arabia but sounds like one of my folks from Minnesota donchya know? Maybe Chicago?
Dr Jay is the king of speakers corner… he’s still going stronger when he visits England we listen the Christian’s are searching and he’s correct in what he’s saying I’m a historian and it’s 93% correct
Last time you said prophet mohammed never existed make your mind up
Quran revealed to Muhammad.Muhammad recited and memorized it .Then his companions wrote and memorized .Then followed by tabii, tabiin tabiin .Until today.
Quran revealed for 23 years, 10 years Mecca and 13 years in Medina. During caliph Abu Bakr, he compiled ,make a copy Quran for all verses .These collection or copy of Quran did by Zaid bin Tsabit and his friends.
. Abu Bakr asked Zaid to do to collect Quran which Muhammad's companion memorized it. This happened during Al Riddah in Abu Bakr era.
During Uthman,his make a new copy to make non Arabs can recite Quran ,Tajwid, symbols etc exactly. Many copies sent to others provinces .
This video doesn't prove that the Quran didn't come from Muhammed, It only proves that we lack historical evidence of when the first one was actually came to be, its not far fetched considering its been 1400 plus years.
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-20-23
What about this? i have only an academic interest in this discussion.
The Birmingham Quran manuscript is a parchment on which two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript are written. In 2015 the manuscript, which is held by the University of Birmingham,[1] was radiocarbon dated to between 568 and 645 CE (in the Islamic calendar, between 56 BH and 25 AH).[2][3] It is part of the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts, held by the university's Cadbury Research Library.[2]
The manuscript is written in ink on parchment, using an Arabic Hijazi script and is still clearly legible.[3] The leaves preserve parts of Surahs 18 (Al-Kahf) to 20 (Taha).[4] It was on display at the University of Birmingham in 2015 and then at Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery until 5 August 2016.[5] The Cadbury Research Library has carried out multispectral analysis of the manuscript and XRF analysis of the inks.[6]
This would add to some questions that they have proposed in other videos. The current Quran is written in a more modern Arabic. Muslims say that the current Quran is an unblemished transmission of the original but the Arabic in the current Quran was spoken 600 miles north of Mecca. The Meccans would have used the Hijazi script. So this would support their contention that the current Quran isn't a representation of the original but rather a translation of the original which means the standard narrative that Muslims give about the transmission of the Quran is false which effects their claim that the perfect transmission of the original text is proof of its Godly origins.
On the other hand, many of the discoveries they have found or have studied suggests much of Islam's evolution happened in the North and there really isn't any record of Mecca during the time of Mohammad. This manuscript, to me, would argue against their position since it is in the Quraishi Arabic dialect. This suggests that it did in fact come from there since the manuscript is so old.
What about the Birmingham manuscripts that goes back to 7th century????
Guys, I love the videos, but it is time to build a final theorem as to who Mohamed was, where he lived, was he real or imagined, etc. Time to lay down the cards.
Good info
@Cira International * Do you mean the Jewish Mashiaach when you say the Jewish Machmad?
Putting Khimar on your head, one do not become arab. So stop filling yourself and people.
Let us give me example of todays so call modern language “English”.
We have American English, British English, Australia English. All there 3 regions speak different dialects and expressions.
Now think of non English people pronunciation. Asian people.. Do they pronunciations same! dialects similar to American and British.?Answer is NO.
You may find different version written of Quran from earlier community is because of dialects. But it doesn’t mean that message and meaning is change.
Example. - Maalik vs Malik. There is little change in Pronunciation but the meaning remains same.
Quran is a book from Almighty Lord. Well protected with mathematical code.
The guy on the right needs to mellow...and let the guy on the left speak. Wow!
This is a good topic, but sooooooooooooooooooo much information is missing. What they are not saying: is the actual text different, meaning is the text completely different. If that's the case, it would mean Uthman changed the actual text and those who had memorize the Quran would now have to learn a completely text outside their qira'at. Had Uthman changed the text, the other companions of the Prophet would have considered him an apostate for such and rebelled against him. Furthermore, Islam is complete with two Quran & Sunnah (prophetic narration). They go hand and hand. If you are smart and understand not all of the companions were Saudi and spoke the same dialect of Arabic the Qira'at makes total sense. It's like you tell a Canadian, New Orleans Creole, A Bostonian, A Southern Gheece, Irish, and Londoner to memorize a 50 Cent song verbatim. Regardless of the text, it's going to sound different though the words remain the same. For ex: where I'm from I say Liberry, someone from the south will say Lyyybery, etc. Same word different sound. Let's not even start on the Bible, because scholarship concerning the validity of authorship alone deserves a college semester.
think you my brother Jay Smith
how can I get a copy of your presentation ?
Hello, is Salman Farsi a myth?
Quran says Quran is given upon Mohammad. You say no. Then you need to delete those sentence from Quran and name it other term.
no he did not exist only these two existed