Tyler you save many people much confusion with your videos, this one is exceptional , the wole shotshell reloading game is a little more confusng than it was in 1981. Yes I am going to be 68 feel great and still love the shooting hobbies. Thankyou one of the best presentation for people who are confused by the vast array of hulls out there.
You guys are so awesome. I love this channel. Such clear sensible descriptions and explanations on the WHY things are. Amazing combination of clarity humbleness and wisdom. Thank you.
Excellent video. I've reloaded thousands of rounds of pistol ammo. But, never any shotshells. This is very detailed and easy to understand information. Thank you.
Great video! You cover the three legs of the stool, hulls, wads and powder, more completely than any presentation I've seen on UA-cam. I will definitely share this with anyone I find who wants to start reloading. It answers so many questions that make people reluctant to try this awesome hobby.
Great work & info for a beginner like myself. 12ga is probably the easiest reloads, that's why I respect you and your brothers for the content you share to the world.
I've always used only high brass base hulls for buckshot loading, because most of the factory buckshot ammo I've seen are high brass base.. I know your the real deal because I saw a Lee perfect powder thrower on your bench. That is a set it and forget it powder measure. I used to check every 10th charge but with that one it's a waste of time, it doesn't change and likes all of the powders I use. Thanks for the informative post!
Amazing breakdown on the hulls, seriously 👌. The hull confusion has always been what i was apprehensive about. My buddy always says no no you can load any of them but when i am reading it in print its easy to not feel confident. Im the kinda guy I dont like goin into things just willy nilly, i need to know exactly what im doing n understand why. You do good tutorial form content, thank you brother 💪🇺🇲🥜
i will do a couple more tonight but not crimp all the way down and set them on the shelf and see if they start to come open,every thing i have is just like you have in the video,same loader and hull hmm,beginner error no big deal gotta start some where,thanks for all your help and great video's i forgot to tell you but you crack us up,i know your not trying to be funny but you are haha.ttyl
Owsome lecture brother I will like to start reloading shotgun now I like oobuck and slugs it's all I'm interested thank you for the info. Will be talking to you soon
I had a few once fired Fiocchi clear hulls with deformed crimp sections that were not really suitable to fold crimp again, so I trimmed them down to 2.5". I loaded them similar to what you did with the first round you loaded: Cheddite primer, 18grs of Promo(Red Dot), green SSW with petals removed, .125" 12GA nitro card, 9 pellets of Hornady .330" 00-buck stacked by three, and a BPI .045" 12GA overshot card. It lined up just right for a roll crimp. 18grs is probably a little light, but it is what I normally use in my 1-1/8oz. clay loads, but I think it will do for some low-recoil "tactical" style buck loads.
This weekend I blew through 20 lbs making 7/8 Lee slugs. Then made one mold of 00 bucks to have some to twist them apart. Out of the three methods I know of. Twisting is the cleanest, But most time-consuming. Definitely, an excellent way to get them apart.
This is exactly the info I've been looking for as a reloading newbie. One question is, why did you say not to use magnum primers? I'm not sure what the reasons are? Great video Thanks! 👍👍
Got a question!I'm wanting to start loading some tss for waterfowl.All loads currently have high fps hence you have to use an open choke at 40 yards.im in GA and Woodies ain't 40 yds so will slowing fps down solve this so I can choke accordingly like I do with steel and bismuth in a 20 ga.thank you so much and congrats on your baby.
I wouldn’t think tss needs open chokes for high velocity man but it also doesn’t need to be loaded super fast. 1200 fps should be plenty inside 40 yards.
Tyler, loved all your videos and the info I collected through the years. Can you help me with some info on how to assemble a load having a Winchwster WSF powder, A fiocchi FCFWA12H24B wad, new primed clear fiocchi Hull and using #0 or #00 buck. Thank you
If you buy ready made Win 00 buckshot pellets, you can use 9 pellets using the Claybuster yellow 36gm wads with pettles on, & with no cover shot card. Look like new in my Lee Load all, Win compression formed cases.
Great videos , but is their a reason why you use The Loadall two and not Mec loaders ? They are usually considered industry standards and very durable !
The end result is exactly the same, I can load 8 different gauges with just 1 press, it needs no adjustments, is 1/4 the cost, and I prefer their simplicity. I have used mecs before there’s nothing wrong with them I just prefer the Lee presses.
Herco also is gd for heavy loads/magnum, also the IMR BLUE, longshot works gd in my 1 1/4 oz loads in 16 gauge and 1 1/8., ive also used Bullseye in 12 g loads. 1oz field loads, small dose of it goes a ways, performed great
Thanks.im trying to load slower fps because everything loaded online right now you have to shoot skeet and imp cyl at 40yds and it's still super tight but it's at 1550 fps.thats too tight for decoying Woodies in Ga in the swamp.talking to my buddy at compnchoke,he thinks slowing it down will fix it without having to mix in steel.
Random question. If a person were to take a 1-1/4 ounce max dram load and reload it with 1 ounce of shot would I maybe see a decent boost in velocity over a 1 ounce skeet load? I ask this because I'm making wax slugs and for whatever reason the 1.25 ounce loads are tumbling immediately in flight giving something like a 2 foot group at 25 yards while the skeet loads are making a single ragged hole. I already tried it and found it to be accurate but with identical recoil leading me to believe it's not really any faster. I'm tempted to work up my own loads with some blue dot but most of my interest here lies in off the shelf SHTF aspect of it. You know, just for S&G.
Mike: Question rather than comment. I've been loading for over 60 years but haven't done shotshells for decades and a lot of things have changed. I'll be loading for a KS12TS for defense. The components I have, and would like to use without acquiring others, are Alliant Blue Dot, Remington 2 3/4" unibody hulls (they're labeled SureFire), Winchester AA wads. An odd combo, I know, but this is what I have. I'll use #1 buck. What would be a reasonable charge of Blue Dot for a stout but not hazardous defense load? Also are the AA wads usable with this combo? If you decline an answer, I'll understand completely but I thought it worth a shot. Thanks a bunch!!
Those hulls are tapered and any load data for tapered hulls may be used, but not sure of the exact wad you have. Winchester made a bunch of AA wads for varying payload weights. Actually not an odd combo at all. I’d go to alliants website for blue dot powder and find a load using a Remington gun club or sts hull with the wad you have and load by the payload weight. 10 pellets of #1 buckshot is right at 1 ounce, 12 is in between 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 ounces so 1 1/4 ounce data should be used. 15 pellets is 1 3/8 ounces.
The overall length of the wad is 1.854. The internal depth of the cup is .791". The label on the bag says Winchester WAA12. Also; would I need to trim the petals?
The waa12 wad is for 1 1/8 ounce loads, no need to trim the wad that’s only necessary for 00 buck stacked by 3’s. You should be able to load 12 pellets of #1 buck in those wads you have. Blue dot is a magnum powder, so for lighter loads like those the velocity is going to really high. 1400 fps or more. Not exactly ideal for home defense but it’ll works if it’s all you got.
I'm far enough out in the country that it shouldn't be an issue. Wads are cheap enough that I should be able to get some that would work for 1 1/4 oz. What would you recommend for those Remington cases? @@theshotgunscientists
@@miltonhall7078 claybuster cb1138-12 wads. They should be perfect for what you wanna do. They are the short red wads meant for heavy loads with bulky powder like blue dot.
Appreciate the video. Do you think now is a decent time for someone inexperienced to try to get into reloading? I heard some materials were getting bought up by panic buyers so I'm a bit wary of diving into it.
That situation was over about a year ago, nearly everything is back in stock. Hardest thing to find is blue dot and steel powders but those are the only two that aren’t always available currently. The problem right now is everything being about 20% more expensive than it was before 2020. It’ll go down though. Prices aren’t terrible so I’d say yeah get into if you can, still saving a ton of money loading buckshot, slugs, and any gauge besides 12 and 20.
Magic bud video bug AGAIN - You realy do help us beginners get started. - - I am wondering how much/many grains of Longshot you would use in a 3 inch shell with 15 pellets/bölls ?
It depends on what payload weight you want and how fast you want it to be. Slow burning powder is for heady magnum loads or high velocity standard loads.
@@theshotgunscientists Because the barrel could be damaged otherwise, with the heavy loads in combination with fast burning, right? But then one needs a longer barrel, in order to make sure that the slow burning powder is actually burned and not wasted. Correct?
@@Detvanliga Not really, fast powder is meant for lighter or standard loads up to 1 1/8 ounces. You’d still see reduced speed with a shorter barrel. If the data is listed at 1200 fps you might only see 1125 fps with an 18” barrel.
Can you give me any advice about reloading 2 9/16 inch shells, I have a model 12 16 guage and a model 1897 16 that I would love to hunt with but can't find any shells , what do you recommend on how to get started reloading?? What gear do I need and where to get it ?? Thank you
Just load 2.5”. Get 2 3/4” hulls from bpi and a hull trimmer from Gary caskey and trim them to 2.5” or 2 9/16”. My email is in my bio if you want me to send Gary’s contact info. I also have tons of tested 2.5” data if you want it.
Im new to this the smokeless powder cannot be tightly compressed like black powder so i cannot compress it in the shell right it must have some free space, can the plastic wad compress the proper powder load or are there shoulders that stop it inside at proper depth
hows it going from texas here ,ive been watching your video's for a few months and i went to buy some ammo last night and got mad and said the hell with it,im going to do it myself,so i am going to keep watching your video's and hopefully learn ,any idea who would be a one stop shop to buy everything minus the loader im going to start off with 2 3/4 inch shells primed and go with a 9 pellet im guessing a hundred rounds of everything.i live in the woods and we have hogs tearing us up at night so i can get really close to them with a flashlight in some thick yopouns i will have to watch your video again and write everything down.like pellet weight and how many i can go with in my shells.thanks man,as soon as i hear from you im making a call alright.
Question. Can I take a factory target shell in 12 or 20 gauge that uses 7/8 oz of #8 shot and remove the #8 shot and replace it with 7/8 oz of whatever buckshot I have and be safe?
@@theshotgunscientists I will try that next time I am making them. Thanks for the idea. But dog clippers do an excellent job because it centers it self to the balls.
Hull not hole, but Winchester tapered hulls will have a tall basewad inside the hull that’s clearly visible, tapered hulls are usually smooth like no texture on the plastic. Remington gun club and game load hulls are the exception.
ok bro ive done a few and after you pre crimp it then you do the final crimp down do you squash it all the way down to where the top part comes down and contacts the bottom little metal piece that holds the hull,i wanna make sure im not over tightening it because it leaves a place on the side of mine where you can feel it with your finger,it goes in a bit on the side where the wad has the hole going thru it.kinda dips in a bit.did i over crimp it ?
You’re starting to buckle the hull, just put enough crimp on it to where it won’t open back up. Get a gaep bn2 crimp finisher and it’ll make factory looking crimps. Just need a hand drill.
Thank you for the video and your time! You make it easy to understand and follow. I'm curious if it's worth it to reload ourselves compared to buying from the manufacturers? How much was the total cost for that one shell? If I made my own ammo, approximately how much per shell for 12ga 2¾ 00 @ 1400fps and slug @ 1600fps? Thanks again!
It all just depends on how many pellets you want but for buckshot and birdshot the faster you push the velocity the more it spreads. Loading your own buckshot and slugs is a lot cheaper than buying factory ammo especially if you cast your own lead.
For the sake of simplicity could a guy limit himself to two powders and still be able to load both light and heavy field loads in the #5 - #7 shot range (1oz to around 1 1/2oz) as well as 9 pellet 00 Buck loads? If so ,what would those powders be?
Do you include the wad, overshot card and any felt or cork as part of the payload weight? If I have a 2-3/4 hull, mg42 hull, 10 stacked by 2 Remington 00 shot and 1 overshot card with 6 point crimp. The total for 10 00 shot, was and os card came to 1.336 oz. Im planning on using 1 3/8 shot data
I’ve got a bunch of rem gun club hulls, cbo118s, win 209 primers, and only powder I can find is longshot. Any experience with loading that sort of combo for 9 pellet #00?
@@theshotgunscientists wow that was fast! I checked the Hodgdon website but their info for longshot is minimal. Thanks for the response. New subscriber but will surely be a long time subscriber!
Lilgun can push 1.5oz to 2+ ounces in 12 gauge just fine... It gets a bad wrap, but it's pretty dang universal in 12 gauge. I've tested Lil'Gun in 12 gauge with 1.5oz with 48 grains (won't say the wad) and got 1425 FPS and 11k PSI. Like you said, its some crazy stuff. I love it.
When I bought my first pound of it I though it was gonna last months if not over a year, I thought it was only useful for 410. Now we’re going through it like crazy in all gauges.
There isn’t one. .410 powders are way too slow burning for anything larger than 28 gauge unless you want really heavy loads. In 20 gauge it’s good for loads 1 1/8 ounce to 1.5 ounces, in 16 gauge 1 3/8 to 1 3/4 ounces, 12 gauge 2 to 2.75 ounces and 10 gauge 2 3/8 to 3 ounces. For .410 get lil gun for anything else use longshot.
I like your videos very informative I do have a question I’m using brand new 2 3/4 Fiocchi primed hulls, longshot powder, BRP-12 brush wads, and #00 super buck I would like to stack 9 pellets by 3s how many grains of powder do I use I was thinking 27grn. But not sure since I can’t find load data for this setup
I have a question on the Longshot powder could u use that to just make a rifle slug factory wise just like the winchester super X rifle 1oz slug at 1600fps. I was thinking of getting into reloading after about 6months to 1year after I shoot off my new to the game of 12g shotgun and start reusing my shells. Thanks
@@theshotgunscientists nice. I like the sound of 2k fps.. but 1600 factory stock already dose a good kicking lol. Specially those bucks/deer.. ya because I'm a rifle 308 type of a guy or pistol and never knew about reloading with all my years but when I went to a old timers house and he had a crap load of rifle and pistol empty shells he told me about it and plus his no-good casings he brings to the metal recycling to get money back and I never knew why and then found out the 411 and since shotguns are easy and I just purchased a shotgun I was like sounds like a good investment Specially if I'll shoot say 200rounds a month then after that 6months to a year you know. Buy a lee load with a thing of powder a 500 bag of wads and circle wads and primers with say a small bag of 00,bird,slugs to start off and save money in the long run because a box of 25rd slugs are running about 25$ a box when right there is a supply of say wads so in reality 6months of if I but 100$ or even 50$ of shells a month i would of already invested 300$ to 600$ when that amount can get you how much rounds if you just order the components with 300$/600$ worth of goodies
Love what you young men do. You make it easy for this old Kentuckian to load buck. Thanks again
We’re from Kentucky too
Tyler you save many people much confusion with your videos, this one is exceptional , the wole shotshell reloading game is a little more confusng than it was in 1981. Yes I am going to be 68 feel great and still love the shooting hobbies. Thankyou one of the best presentation for people who are confused by the vast array of hulls out there.
Thanks man
You guys are so awesome. I love this channel. Such clear sensible descriptions and explanations on the WHY things are. Amazing combination of clarity humbleness and wisdom. Thank you.
Thanks we appreciate it
Man your channel is my go to for shotgun shell reloading. Especially buckshot.
Thanks man
Excellent video. I've reloaded thousands of rounds of pistol ammo. But, never any shotshells. This is very detailed and easy to understand information. Thank you.
Thanks man
Great tutorial! Really helpful info for us beginners! Thank you, Mike.
Appreciate it man
You, sir, are a walking encyclopedia. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all.
Thanks man
I'm so glad I found you guys on UA-cam what you guys are doing is right up my alley
Thanks man
That was a really nice presentation, Tyler. I wish I had seen that back when I was learning this stuff. Well done man👍
Thanks for watching man
Awesome. This is exactly the load I was searching for when I stumbled across your channel. Thank you!
Thanks for watching man
Thank you very much!
You are my new go to channel for shot shell reloading. Great Buck shot loading tutorial!
Thanks man
Great video! You cover the three legs of the stool, hulls, wads and powder, more completely than any presentation I've seen on UA-cam. I will definitely share this with anyone I find who wants to start reloading. It answers so many questions that make people reluctant to try this awesome hobby.
Thanks man
excellent video. Thank you very much. I am just getting back into reloading after 30 years away from it. I needed the refresher.
Thanks man.
thanks for this video. just started shotgun reloading. yall make it alot easier. keep em coming.
Great job on providing a lot of information very clearly. You have been helpful.
Thanks man
I’m just wanting to start RELOADING this looks like the perfect video for me. Thank you.
Thanks man
Great work & info for a beginner like myself. 12ga is probably the easiest reloads, that's why I respect you and your brothers for the content you share to the world.
Thanks man
Are these all 2 3/4 hulls?
@@1212skindog yep sure are
Another great video with a reliable old school load. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching man
I've always used only high brass base hulls for buckshot loading, because most of the factory buckshot ammo I've seen are high brass base.. I know your the real deal because I saw a Lee perfect powder thrower on your bench. That is a set it and forget it powder measure. I used to check every 10th charge but with that one it's a waste of time, it doesn't change and likes all of the powders I use. Thanks for the informative post!
Thanks man
Though I regret not watching this before throwing out a ton of Super Target hulls, now I know to keep them. Lots of great information in this video!
Thanks for watching!
perfect video man def made it real simple and got the job done !
Thanks
Amazing breakdown on the hulls, seriously 👌.
The hull confusion has always been what i was apprehensive about. My buddy always says no no you can load any of them but when i am reading it in print its easy to not feel confident. Im the kinda guy I dont like goin into things just willy nilly, i need to know exactly what im doing n understand why.
You do good tutorial form content, thank you brother 💪🇺🇲🥜
Thanks man.
Just fired my first reloads today. I wanted to drop by and thank you for your knowledge; you helped me get into this.
Thanks man appreciate it
Great tutorial. Got lucky in a trade and scored both longshot and hs6. Now I gotta get some 00 pellets.
I highly recommend casting your own man, I have some on eBay if you want them though. Guitarguy1995 is my eBay name.
i will do a couple more tonight but not crimp all the way down and set them on the shelf and see if they start to come open,every thing i have is just like you have in the video,same loader and hull hmm,beginner error no big deal gotta start some where,thanks for all your help and great video's i forgot to tell you but you crack us up,i know your not trying to be funny but you are haha.ttyl
Thanks lol
Excellent tutorial! Thank you Sir!
Thanks for watching man
Great video! Not sure how I missed this when it came out!! I usually see your vids as soon as they drop!!
Glad you enjoyed it man
Outstanding presentation!
Thanks man
great info, excellent video
Simply outstanding!👏👏👍 Would this load data be the same for 3 inch shots/slugs? Thanks👍
You’d have to add an x12x gas seal
Excellent scoop! 👍👍
Have you ever considered publishing a reloading manual?
Maybe one day
I'd buy it. This hairy sob has his shit together
@theshotgunscientists how about today brother
Owsome lecture brother I will like to start reloading shotgun now I like oobuck and slugs it's all I'm interested thank you for the info. Will be talking to you soon
What about crowd funding test for shot shells? I thought about setting one to to test more powders
I had a few once fired Fiocchi clear hulls with deformed crimp sections that were not really suitable to fold crimp again, so I trimmed them down to 2.5". I loaded them similar to what you did with the first round you loaded: Cheddite primer, 18grs of Promo(Red Dot), green SSW with petals removed, .125" 12GA nitro card, 9 pellets of Hornady .330" 00-buck stacked by three, and a BPI .045" 12GA overshot card. It lined up just right for a roll crimp. 18grs is probably a little light, but it is what I normally use in my 1-1/8oz. clay loads, but I think it will do for some low-recoil "tactical" style buck loads.
Sounds like a good load
Great information thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I was able to get about 6 good trap loads out of those super targets. Also loaded buckshot but never to failure. Point is, yes, they are reloadable.
Some people outright refuse to reload them claiming they can’t be
@@theshotgunscientists Bumble bees couldn't fly if they listened to "the experts".
thank you man
Thanks for watching
top shelf good information thank you
Thanks man
Appreciate the video nice pug shirt
Thanks man.
Thanks for this
Glad to do it
This weekend I blew through 20 lbs making 7/8 Lee slugs. Then made one mold of 00 bucks to have some to twist them apart. Out of the three methods I know of. Twisting is the cleanest, But most time-consuming. Definitely, an excellent way to get them apart.
Thank you sir❤
Thanks for watching
Awesome video,I picked up a bunch of info and tips.Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
That was great since subscribing I've watched 129 of your videos and have really enjoyed them i really want to start got to same my penny's.
Thanks for all the support man
Excellent! Just bravo! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is exactly the info I've been looking for as a reloading newbie.
One question is, why did you say not to use magnum primers? I'm not sure what the reasons are? Great video Thanks! 👍👍
Magnum primers create a lot more pressure. I was just saying not to use a magnum primer with this specific load. I use them all the time.
Got a question!I'm wanting to start loading some tss for waterfowl.All loads currently have high fps hence you have to use an open choke at 40 yards.im in GA and Woodies ain't 40 yds so will slowing fps down solve this so I can choke accordingly like I do with steel and bismuth in a 20 ga.thank you so much and congrats on your baby.
I wouldn’t think tss needs open chokes for high velocity man but it also doesn’t need to be loaded super fast. 1200 fps should be plenty inside 40 yards.
Great video
Thanks
I like this one
Awesome
Really helpful! Thank you sir 💪
Glad it was helpful!
To send the shortshell wad, against the powder, I use the repriming station, on my Lee loadall
Yep you can do that
Wow thank you for all the info there well dune :)
Thanks
CAN YOU DO A SHOW ON RELOADING BRASS 410 AND 12 GAUGE SHELLS?
I don’t have any I just have them in 32 gauge and 16 gauge
Tyler, loved all your videos and the info I collected through the years. Can you help me with some info on how to assemble a load having a Winchwster WSF powder, A fiocchi FCFWA12H24B wad, new primed clear fiocchi Hull and using #0 or #00 buck. Thank you
Go to hodgdons website plug in your components find a recipe and match the pellet weight to the shot weight listed.
I like the tutorial on the Hulls & Wads, You can do a whole other video on just that! 🤔🤔👍👍
Probably so
Hi there Good information happy day be safe god bless happy holidays to all.
See you next time.
Good Job great tutorial
Thanks man
If you buy ready made Win 00 buckshot pellets, you can use 9 pellets using the Claybuster yellow 36gm wads with pettles on, & with no cover shot card. Look like new in my Lee Load all, Win compression formed cases.
Probably .32 cal
@@theshotgunscientists not sure but the pellets are same size as factory loaded OO buck.
@@tinytedy They use .32 cal in their factory loads which isn’t bad stuff at all.
Enjoyed the video!
Thanks man
Great videos , but is their a reason why you use The Loadall two and not Mec loaders ?
They are usually considered industry standards and very durable !
The end result is exactly the same, I can load 8 different gauges with just 1 press, it needs no adjustments, is 1/4 the cost, and I prefer their simplicity. I have used mecs before there’s nothing wrong with them I just prefer the Lee presses.
Herco also is gd for heavy loads/magnum, also the IMR BLUE, longshot works gd in my 1 1/4 oz loads in 16 gauge and 1 1/8., ive also used Bullseye in 12 g loads. 1oz field loads, small dose of it goes a ways, performed great
Herco hasn’t been on the shelf here in years, Imr blue is discontinued but josh has some lol.
@@theshotgunscientists i got 3/4lb herco. And 2 lbs of blue...same as steel...cant find anywheres here
Most excellent.
Thanks
Enjoyed this how to - wondering if you have a video using cardboard overcards rather the the plastic wads ?
We use them all the time
Thanks.im trying to load slower fps because everything loaded online right now you have to shoot skeet and imp cyl at 40yds and it's still super tight but it's at 1550 fps.thats too tight for decoying Woodies in Ga in the swamp.talking to my buddy at compnchoke,he thinks slowing it down will fix it without having to mix in steel.
Probably so
I've been using Hornady "32 cal" muzzle loader pellets since they're 0.31" and actually available unlike buck shot.
You can get any size buckshot you want from bpi in several different hardnesses and platings
Yes, I now have 16lbs of #0 on their way to me - thank you!@@theshotgunscientists
Great info...
Great stuff 👍
Thanks man
Love the pug 1 shirt
I got it when he first put them out years ago
Random question. If a person were to take a 1-1/4 ounce max dram load and reload it with 1 ounce of shot would I maybe see a decent boost in velocity over a 1 ounce skeet load?
I ask this because I'm making wax slugs and for whatever reason the 1.25 ounce loads are tumbling immediately in flight giving something like a 2 foot group at 25 yards while the skeet loads are making a single ragged hole. I already tried it and found it to be accurate but with identical recoil leading me to believe it's not really any faster.
I'm tempted to work up my own loads with some blue dot but most of my interest here lies in off the shelf SHTF aspect of it. You know, just for S&G.
Lightening the payload that much is probably causing erratic pressures and powder burns, and the longer shot column is probably a lot less stable.
Is that a Canadian flag on your shirt with you replacing the leaf?
Yes it is. It’s a 1puglife shirt who is a UA-camr I’ve been watching for 15 years.
I like that pug 1 pliance shirt, lol
I don't know if I missed it. But can you use straightwall wads in a tapered hull
No
Mike: Question rather than comment. I've been loading for over 60 years but haven't done shotshells for decades and a lot of things have changed. I'll be loading for a KS12TS for defense. The components I have, and would like to use without acquiring others, are Alliant Blue Dot, Remington 2 3/4" unibody hulls (they're labeled SureFire), Winchester AA wads. An odd combo, I know, but this is what I have. I'll use #1 buck. What would be a reasonable charge of Blue Dot for a stout but not hazardous defense load? Also are the AA wads usable with this combo? If you decline an answer, I'll understand completely but I thought it worth a shot. Thanks a bunch!!
Those hulls are tapered and any load data for tapered hulls may be used, but not sure of the exact wad you have. Winchester made a bunch of AA wads for varying payload weights. Actually not an odd combo at all. I’d go to alliants website for blue dot powder and find a load using a Remington gun club or sts hull with the wad you have and load by the payload weight. 10 pellets of #1 buckshot is right at 1 ounce, 12 is in between 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 ounces so 1 1/4 ounce data should be used. 15 pellets is 1 3/8 ounces.
3rd time watching... and each time while in the bathroom.
The overall length of the wad is 1.854. The internal depth of the cup is .791". The label on the bag says Winchester WAA12. Also; would I need to trim the petals?
The waa12 wad is for 1 1/8 ounce loads, no need to trim the wad that’s only necessary for 00 buck stacked by 3’s. You should be able to load 12 pellets of #1 buck in those wads you have. Blue dot is a magnum powder, so for lighter loads like those the velocity is going to really high. 1400 fps or more. Not exactly ideal for home defense but it’ll works if it’s all you got.
I'm far enough out in the country that it shouldn't be an issue. Wads are cheap enough that I should be able to get some that would work for 1 1/4 oz. What would you recommend for those Remington cases? @@theshotgunscientists
@@miltonhall7078 claybuster cb1138-12 wads. They should be perfect for what you wanna do. They are the short red wads meant for heavy loads with bulky powder like blue dot.
You've been extremely helpful. Thanks so very much !!!@@theshotgunscientists
Appreciate the video. Do you think now is a decent time for someone inexperienced to try to get into reloading? I heard some materials were getting bought up by panic buyers so I'm a bit wary of diving into it.
That situation was over about a year ago, nearly everything is back in stock. Hardest thing to find is blue dot and steel powders but those are the only two that aren’t always available currently. The problem right now is everything being about 20% more expensive than it was before 2020. It’ll go down though. Prices aren’t terrible so I’d say yeah get into if you can, still saving a ton of money loading buckshot, slugs, and any gauge besides 12 and 20.
Magic bud video bug AGAIN - You realy do help us beginners get started. - - I am wondering how much/many grains of Longshot you would use in a 3 inch shell with 15 pellets/bölls ?
27 grains
@@theshotgunscientists Thanks bud.
So, when do you chose fast burning vs slow burning powder?
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It depends on what payload weight you want and how fast you want it to be. Slow burning powder is for heady magnum loads or high velocity standard loads.
@@theshotgunscientists Because the barrel could be damaged otherwise, with the heavy loads in combination with fast burning, right? But then one needs a longer barrel, in order to make sure that the slow burning powder is actually burned and not wasted. Correct?
A longer barrel would get you more speed yes
@@theshotgunscientists but with faster powder I could get away with a shorter barrel, since it burns more quickly.
@@Detvanliga Not really, fast powder is meant for lighter or standard loads up to 1 1/8 ounces. You’d still see reduced speed with a shorter barrel. If the data is listed at 1200 fps you might only see 1125 fps with an 18” barrel.
Can you give me any advice about reloading 2 9/16 inch shells, I have a model 12 16 guage and a model 1897 16 that I would love to hunt with but can't find any shells , what do you recommend on how to get started reloading?? What gear do I need and where to get it ?? Thank you
Just load 2.5”. Get 2 3/4” hulls from bpi and a hull trimmer from Gary caskey and trim them to 2.5” or 2 9/16”. My email is in my bio if you want me to send Gary’s contact info. I also have tons of tested 2.5” data if you want it.
Im new to this the smokeless powder cannot be tightly compressed like black powder so i cannot compress it in the shell right it must have some free space, can the plastic wad compress the proper powder load or are there shoulders that stop it inside at proper depth
@@mikri9953 The wad seals the powder. It does compress but not like black powder.
hows it going from texas here ,ive been watching your video's for a few months and i went to buy some ammo last night and got mad and said the hell with it,im going to do it myself,so i am going to keep watching your video's and hopefully learn ,any idea who would be a one stop shop to buy everything minus the loader im going to start off with 2 3/4 inch shells primed and go with a 9 pellet im guessing a hundred rounds of everything.i live in the woods and we have hogs tearing us up at night so i can get really close to them with a flashlight in some thick yopouns i will have to watch your video again and write everything down.like pellet weight and how many i can go with in my shells.thanks man,as soon as i hear from you im making a call alright.
Ballistic products. You can get everything you need from them.
@@theshotgunscientists thanks man ttyl.
Great video. Where were you sourcing your components? Thans in advance.
Ballistic products
Question. Can I take a factory target shell in 12 or 20 gauge that uses 7/8 oz of #8 shot and remove the #8 shot and replace it with 7/8 oz of whatever buckshot I have and be safe?
Yep lead weight is lead weight no matter how it’s shaped
@@theshotgunscientists That is what I thought. Thanks.
Thinking about getting into reloading. Would like to have a chat with you, I have some questions
Email is in the bio on here
I use the lee 00 buck mold. What I learned is cutting them apart. Dog nail clippers far exceed a modified flush cutter.
I just twist them apart with two pairs of pliers. They come out as round as can be that way.
@@theshotgunscientists I will try that next time I am making them. Thanks for the idea. But dog clippers do an excellent job because it centers it self to the balls.
So how can you tell the tapered hole in the straight hole from the outside
Hull not hole, but Winchester tapered hulls will have a tall basewad inside the hull that’s clearly visible, tapered hulls are usually smooth like no texture on the plastic. Remington gun club and game load hulls are the exception.
ok bro ive done a few and after you pre crimp it then you do the final crimp down do you squash it all the way down to where the top part comes down and contacts the bottom little metal piece that holds the hull,i wanna make sure im not over tightening it because it leaves a place on the side of mine where you can feel it with your finger,it goes in a bit on the side where the wad has the hole going thru it.kinda dips in a bit.did i over crimp it ?
You’re starting to buckle the hull, just put enough crimp on it to where it won’t open back up. Get a gaep bn2 crimp finisher and it’ll make factory looking crimps. Just need a hand drill.
What about roll crimping?
That’s fine to do with any fold crimp data. Roll crimping produces less pressure than a fold.
Probably a silly question, but were you loading 2 3/4" or 3" shells with 00 Buck?
2 3/4” but I load for all shell lengths across 8 different gauges
@@theshotgunscientists Understood. Thank you for letting me know. I’m just starting out. This video helped a bunch
Thank you for the video and your time! You make it easy to understand and follow.
I'm curious if it's worth it to reload ourselves compared to buying from the manufacturers?
How much was the total cost for that one shell?
If I made my own ammo, approximately how much per shell for 12ga 2¾ 00 @ 1400fps and slug @ 1600fps?
Thanks again!
It all just depends on how many pellets you want but for buckshot and birdshot the faster you push the velocity the more it spreads. Loading your own buckshot and slugs is a lot cheaper than buying factory ammo especially if you cast your own lead.
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How much Longshot would you use as a replacement for the Red Dot? Preferably 1300fps vs 1200fps.
@@victorsutpheniii3374 I’d just use the data off the bottle man is really good
For the sake of simplicity could a guy limit himself to two powders and still be able to load both light and heavy field loads in the #5 - #7 shot range (1oz to around 1 1/2oz) as well as 9 pellet 00 Buck loads? If so ,what would those powders be?
Shot size or pellet size is completely irrelevant, it’s all about the payload weight. Green dot and longshot are the two best options.
@@theshotgunscientists Thank you for the recommendations. I will research those powders now.
@20:00 Don't tell the Borg.
What’s the borg? sorry.
Excellent video with great content.
Do you include the wad, overshot card and any felt or cork as part of the payload weight? If I have a 2-3/4 hull, mg42 hull, 10 stacked by 2 Remington 00 shot and 1 overshot card with 6 point crimp. The total for 10 00 shot, was and os card came to 1.336 oz. Im planning on using 1 3/8 shot data
You don’t include the wad or filler no.
@@theshotgunscientiststhank you!
Thanks for this video Mike! What do you think of the Nitro 100?
My name is Tyler actually lol but I’ve never seen that powder in person here.
@@theshotgunscientists Oh, sorry Tyler.
I’ve got a bunch of rem gun club hulls, cbo118s, win 209 primers, and only powder I can find is longshot. Any experience with loading that sort of combo for 9 pellet #00?
30 grains is plenty
@@theshotgunscientists wow that was fast! I checked the Hodgdon website but their info for longshot is minimal. Thanks for the response. New subscriber but will surely be a long time subscriber!
Lilgun can push 1.5oz to 2+ ounces in 12 gauge just fine... It gets a bad wrap, but it's pretty dang universal in 12 gauge.
I've tested Lil'Gun in 12 gauge with 1.5oz with 48 grains (won't say the wad) and got 1425 FPS and 11k PSI.
Like you said, its some crazy stuff. I love it.
When I bought my first pound of it I though it was gonna last months if not over a year, I thought it was only useful for 410. Now we’re going through it like crazy in all gauges.
I'm looking for 1 powder for both 410 and 12ga with 00, 000, and slugs. What 1 powder(s) will do both?
There isn’t one. .410 powders are way too slow burning for anything larger than 28 gauge unless you want really heavy loads. In 20 gauge it’s good for loads 1 1/8 ounce to 1.5 ounces, in 16 gauge 1 3/8 to 1 3/4 ounces, 12 gauge 2 to 2.75 ounces and 10 gauge 2 3/8 to 3 ounces. For .410 get lil gun for anything else use longshot.
So the Lee will resize the base ring on the steel gun club hulls?
95% of Shotshells made today have steel bases. They are just brass plated steel. There is no press made that can’t resize steel bases.
I like your videos very informative I do have a question I’m using brand new 2 3/4 Fiocchi primed hulls, longshot powder, BRP-12 brush wads, and #00 super buck I would like to stack 9 pellets by 3s how many grains of powder do I use I was thinking 27grn. But not sure since I can’t find load data for this setup
9 pellets is 1 1/8 ounces if you’re using .33 cal. I’d start at 30 grains.
@@theshotgunscientists thank you
I have a question on the Longshot powder could u use that to just make a rifle slug factory wise just like the winchester super X rifle 1oz slug at 1600fps. I was thinking of getting into reloading after about 6months to 1year after I shoot off my new to the game of 12g shotgun and start reusing my shells. Thanks
Yes you can easily. You can do a 7/8oz slug at 2000 fps too.
@@theshotgunscientists nice. I like the sound of 2k fps.. but 1600 factory stock already dose a good kicking lol. Specially those bucks/deer.. ya because I'm a rifle 308 type of a guy or pistol and never knew about reloading with all my years but when I went to a old timers house and he had a crap load of rifle and pistol empty shells he told me about it and plus his no-good casings he brings to the metal recycling to get money back and I never knew why and then found out the 411 and since shotguns are easy and I just purchased a shotgun I was like sounds like a good investment Specially if I'll shoot say 200rounds a month then after that 6months to a year you know. Buy a lee load with a thing of powder a 500 bag of wads and circle wads and primers with say a small bag of 00,bird,slugs to start off and save money in the long run because a box of 25rd slugs are running about 25$ a box when right there is a supply of say wads so in reality 6months of if I but 100$ or even 50$ of shells a month i would of already invested 300$ to 600$ when that amount can get you how much rounds if you just order the components with 300$/600$ worth of goodies