I tried last week a 200m in a wetsuit. I've done it in 2:03 in a 25m pool. I usually do it in 2:21 and my fastest without it, was 2:13 swimsuit. The start was in the water.
Much faster. It's like swimming with a pull buoy. Not having much body fat makes the distinction even more pronounced. That said, I try and do most of my training without one in order to build proper technique.
High end wetsuits for open water swimmers have less buoyancy than those made for triathletes, which are specifically designed to give you the wetsuit edge. Different thicknesses over parts of the wetsuit. It has more to do with design than cost. A cheap Tyr cat 1 gives you more economy than a $500 Orca open water wetsuit. Purists vs triathletes.
I've been racing triathlons for 36 years and have used many different wetsuits, and also track my times accurately. In my experience a top-end wetsuit can make you 8-10 seconds/100 meters faster, regardless of distance. That applies for my swimming speed, so at the same effort I would swim 1:24/100 instead of 1:34/100 when doing a 1000 m, or a 1:12 instead of a 1:22 for a fast 100 m. Also it reduces my number of strokes / length from about 43 to 40. For a faster swimmer it means less. A tri suit is about 3 s/100m faster than swimming trunks.
@@gtn Test a long distance pool swim with the Form goggles and one without. Will the possibility to monitor metrics during a swim, such as pace, give an advantage over swim by feel?
Great video. However, I think this difference is due to James being a great swimmer and having the right body position. Wouldn't the average triathlete make more of a difference?
I'm a crap swimmer and it makes a massive difference to me, both in pace but also how long I can hold that for, as James admits. Can relatively comfortably do the 3.8km in a wetsuit but wouldn't dream of it without.
I'm way slower than James (around 2:50/200m) but what I've noticed is that swimming with a buoy (I never tried a wetsuit, but I suppose the principle is similar) makes me WAY faster over longer distances than short. Over 200m max effort, I'm pretty sure the no-buoy swim will be faster, while 400m and up the buoy will be faster. For me it has to do with how much effort I put in my legs. A stronger kick tens to also help your body position. Would be interested to see James try the same thing over 800m (maybe not on the same day).
Nice test! Just the extrapolation to the Ironman distance fell a bit short: 3.8 km are 19 times 200 m, not 16, and the gain would be 254.6 sec, which is 4 min 14.6 sec
I’ve always thought the difference to be greater than that for longer distances. May depend on the individual as well, and the scale for longer distances may not be linear as compared to a relative sprint. (Yes a 200 is just ever so slightly off a sprint for those in great shape)
The difference in the performance advantage varies so much between people - for those of us with poor form and sinky legs, it's a ridiculously huge difference. And, I don't think fast efforts are a good test - it won't have as much impact when you're sprinting vs longer triathlon distance swims.
I've asked this in the 2 triathlon clubs I'm in and everyone agrees: stay away from the top tier wetstuit until you are a VERY good swimmer. Mid-range is more than fine if you're a beginner / intermediate swimmer. My fiercest rival is kinda wishing for me to go for top tier, so that I will lose money AND time in the race :|
High end wetsuits are more flexible ,more comfortable ,more stretchable , for average swimmer they are not faster, as they do not have higher buoyancy compare to for example mid of the range.High end are made for elite swimmers that do not need extra buoyancy and have better neoprene Yamamoto 39,40,41 with thinner parts around arms,neck wrist,….
Great video, wetsuit is faster. Another great question is temperature regulation. Can James do swims and measure his core body temperature and compare the difference? Although he might not like taking the temperature haha
Wetsuit also heats your body in open water. But what about wearing wetsuit if the water is warm? It becomes a problem I guess, cause it’s harder to move when you’re too heated up. Or it’s not?
You get to pull the wetsuit down to your waist while running to T1, so the time cost to remove is typically 10-15sec. Given the 6-10sec/100m that a wetsuit is worth (non-FOP swimmers will get a larger benefit, as their non-wetsuit body position is typically poorer), even a 750m sprint swim is well worth using a wetsuit for. We have a super sprint in my area with a 400m swim, and even at that distance a wetsuit is faster.
How much faster do you feel when you wear a wetsuit? 🩲
it's been a month and there's almost 1 million subscribers, and no one who wears a wetsuit to come here and comment? 🤦
I tried last week a 200m in a wetsuit. I've done it in 2:03 in a 25m pool. I usually do it in 2:21 and my fastest without it, was 2:13 swimsuit.
The start was in the water.
Much faster. It's like swimming with a pull buoy. Not having much body fat makes the distinction even more pronounced. That said, I try and do most of my training without one in order to build proper technique.
Do a test with a elite swimmer and an average swimmer, with both top of the line wetsuit and a budget wetsuit. That’s the test we all want to see.
Yes please
Also compare a good tech suit vs a wetsuit.
For average swimmer difference will be greater ( from my own tests)at least double per 100 than James.
Would be interesting to see an Economy Wetsuit VS High End Wetsuit or maybe a Fullsuit vs Sleeveless. Nice Demostration GTN Team.. :)
How about this video 👉 ua-cam.com/video/BYvvBW_JXbE/v-deo.html
My $ 1000 Orcaa suit is no faster than my $300 orca suit. Definitely more comfortable, but no faster.
High end wetsuits for open water swimmers have less buoyancy than those made for triathletes, which are specifically designed to give you the wetsuit edge. Different thicknesses over parts of the wetsuit. It has more to do with design than cost. A cheap Tyr cat 1 gives you more economy than a $500 Orca open water wetsuit. Purists vs triathletes.
I've been racing triathlons for 36 years and have used many different wetsuits, and also track my times accurately. In my experience a top-end wetsuit can make you 8-10 seconds/100 meters faster, regardless of distance. That applies for my swimming speed, so at the same effort I would swim 1:24/100 instead of 1:34/100 when doing a 1000 m, or a 1:12 instead of a 1:22 for a fast 100 m. Also it reduces my number of strokes / length from about 43 to 40. For a faster swimmer it means less. A tri suit is about 3 s/100m faster than swimming trunks.
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@@gtn Test a long distance pool swim with the Form goggles and one without. Will the possibility to monitor metrics during a swim, such as pace, give an advantage over swim by feel?
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Great video. However, I think this difference is due to James being a great swimmer and having the right body position. Wouldn't the average triathlete make more of a difference?
I'm a crap swimmer and it makes a massive difference to me, both in pace but also how long I can hold that for, as James admits. Can relatively comfortably do the 3.8km in a wetsuit but wouldn't dream of it without.
I’m not as fast as James but still considered a strong swimmer. I get about a 10s/100m boost from a wetsuit in open saltwater.
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Thank you for the great test. I am astonished about the time difference.
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Another benefit is that sighting is easier in a wetsuit so you may end up swimming straighter and thus a shorter overall distance in the race.
I'm way slower than James (around 2:50/200m) but what I've noticed is that swimming with a buoy (I never tried a wetsuit, but I suppose the principle is similar) makes me WAY faster over longer distances than short. Over 200m max effort, I'm pretty sure the no-buoy swim will be faster, while 400m and up the buoy will be faster. For me it has to do with how much effort I put in my legs. A stronger kick tens to also help your body position.
Would be interested to see James try the same thing over 800m (maybe not on the same day).
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Nice test! Just the extrapolation to the Ironman distance fell a bit short: 3.8 km are 19 times 200 m, not 16, and the gain would be 254.6 sec, which is 4 min 14.6 sec
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I’ve always thought the difference to be greater than that for longer distances. May depend on the individual as well, and the scale for longer distances may not be linear as compared to a relative sprint. (Yes a 200 is just ever so slightly off a sprint for those in great shape)
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The difference in the performance advantage varies so much between people - for those of us with poor form and sinky legs, it's a ridiculously huge difference. And, I don't think fast efforts are a good test - it won't have as much impact when you're sprinting vs longer triathlon distance swims.
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Wow James, I'd like to post 2:38 as a slow 200m split (in a 50m pool) !
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Could you do a comparison between a top of the line wetsuit and an entry level wetsuit? Is it worth the price difference?
I've asked this in the 2 triathlon clubs I'm in and everyone agrees: stay away from the top tier wetstuit until you are a VERY good swimmer.
Mid-range is more than fine if you're a beginner / intermediate swimmer.
My fiercest rival is kinda wishing for me to go for top tier, so that I will lose money AND time in the race :|
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@@kjartankvindeslandelias6989 same as with bicycles, no need for high end bike if you're averaging 3W/kg
High end wetsuits are more flexible ,more comfortable ,more stretchable , for average swimmer they are not faster, as they do not have higher buoyancy compare to for example mid of the range.High end are made for elite swimmers that do not need extra buoyancy and have better neoprene Yamamoto 39,40,41 with thinner parts around arms,neck wrist,….
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Great video, wetsuit is faster. Another great question is temperature regulation. Can James do swims and measure his core body temperature and compare the difference? Although he might not like taking the temperature haha
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Wetsuit also heats your body in open water. But what about wearing wetsuit if the water is warm? It becomes a problem I guess, cause it’s harder to move when you’re too heated up. Or it’s not?
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have in consideration the time you willl use removing the wetsuit (for a sprint or olimpic distance maybe wont be necesary)
You get to pull the wetsuit down to your waist while running to T1, so the time cost to remove is typically 10-15sec. Given the 6-10sec/100m that a wetsuit is worth (non-FOP swimmers will get a larger benefit, as their non-wetsuit body position is typically poorer), even a 750m sprint swim is well worth using a wetsuit for.
We have a super sprint in my area with a 400m swim, and even at that distance a wetsuit is faster.