I'm lined out to make a few of these tools on Thursday. I'll have a couple extra hands and a 450lb Beaudry power hammer to coax that stubborn S7 to play nice so it ought to be a hoot. Thanks for sharing this great idea with us John. This is going to be a much nicer system than having to find room for all the extra handles. My treadle hammer project is coming to a successful conclusion. Thanks for all of your help. I'm curious to see what your spring tools would look like to forge that reduced section. I think that I have a pretty good idea---but you surprise me regularly. Our Mullen weeds are growing nicely--over the 6' mark and going...
Absolutely. Efficient and accurate forging isn't just about hammer blows, proper handling and positioning of the workpiece makes up a big part of the process.
John first I want to say that I enjoy all of your videos especially the tool making tutorial videos.I am in the process of setting up my shop in order to help veterans get started in Blacksmithing' In Montana we have a veteran suicide rate 3 times higher than the national average and we have found that getting then started in Blacksmithing is very helpful. You are a great teacher and I want to thank you for all that you do for the Blacksmithing community. The Deacon James Jones Black Hand Forge.
Your timing on this video is spot on, John. I am welding the anvil, which I completed last night, under the hammer of my new treadle hammer today. The tooling system that you have described looks like it would be a really smart way to go. This is a great video! Thanks again.
So glad you also mentioned about other steels the to small shop would find easier to work with and have similar results . Argee with save space in tiny Forge- shed as I have . I did have a ideal to get the system working but I need to get the information about the steel to get. Thanks for showing and teaching Sir
I so appreciate your tool making videos. The process is fascinating and there's something to be said about making your own tools. My grandfather made countless tools. He was a southpaw, and most tools were not working, so he made his own.
Hello John Thanks for the Video Thanks that i can learn from you in this way because to take a Claas at your shop and see you in Person is in this times impossible But this Chaos will quit some day And then i travel to the US and i have a journey target ☝️😏 Stay save and well Best Wishes from Germany Yours Frank
Hi John It seems you have a lot of followers in Germany. So like Frank wrote, I also can learn a lot from you and see intresting skills. Thanx a lot and stay save. Greetings form Germany Thomas
Hi John,I finally built a treadle hammer,with the same basic design that Big dog forge used to build his new one ,with some tooling I think it will be pretty handy.Thanks.
I marvel at your ability to rotate the tongs while keeping them tight. You must have had a thousand hours of practice. Do you have any an ideas to make an appliance to practice with when you are not at the forge?
Just grab a pair of tongs and put some material in them then sit and watch UA-cam videos while rotating the tongs around in your hand. But really its just a matter of time at the anvil. Using tong clips would help
Really nice presentation for this set of Tongs and the tooling one can make to go w them. Thanks for sharing. Lol got you in the spot light now lololol heck a couple of them. 🙏 Blessings abundant sirSir Crawford out ⚒️🧙♂️
great video!! If only I had a treadle hammer when drawing out 1'' round high carbon steel it will wear you out thankfully im young and can handle the load
Hi JOHN I have been thinking of building a treadle hammer for some time now I Have looked at so many different types , but I think the one you have is the one i want . I Have found the planes on the Abana store wear you said they would be they only charge 15 dollars + PH so looks like i am going to be busy building the hammer as soon as I receive the planes.
This may sound like a silly question from a fellow smith who's been doing this as a hobbyist for over 30 years, but... What's the most likey problem if you quench too far above critical. I've never had problems with quenching after a long slow heat up too not quite welding heat. But anything I can do to make my tools a better product I'll happy too do. My specialty is making special tools for industrial mechanics.
Have you ever considered placing a pallet or similar item on the floor next to the anvil to "put the work" at a better work height? You seem to hammer more strenuously when using the smithin' magician.
The anvil height is ideal for anvil work. While this does put the Smithin magician at a higher point than might be ideal it isn't a big issue. A palate to stand on would create a trip hazard as well as be something that was in the way 95% of the time. Some people have the guillotine tools mounted on a separate stand
Great idea. I'd be happier if I could find something like this in Australia. The ONLY thing that I would have a question on (and really, only time will tell) is how long will the space you've created for the tongs in the tool last (obviously depending on how much you use them) with wear and tear? I guess I'm wondering about mushrooming and squashing. My experience with that tool steel is very limited.
nice vid. thanks for sharing. instead of the long reduced area, perhaps three grooves in the right places using a fuller? seems like less work and would require less specialized tools. just a thought, keep up the great work and thanks again for the channel.
Could you make a spring tool to shape the groove for the power hammer? I use one for my machine, but my tong tools always have a square hold so it is much simpler to achieve than round.
John, what is the metal in your guillotine tool? The S7 tool steel is hot and air hardening when it cools, but I notice the tools in the guillotine do not tend to heat up and keep their shape.
where can i get the s7 stock? no one will sell to me and local steel providers do not stock this, even though they supply many machine shops and are really friendly cool people i've known since childhood. they just don't go out their way for any man no matter who ya are unless they stand to make a pile of money. also i cannot find h13. not even online. i get the run around with sales reps.
You can case harden. That adds a thin layer of higher carbon that improves wear resistance. Great for swages and fullers, but if used for cutting tools you grind through when you sharpen and lose any benefit.
I saw a couple videos where guys claimed they did it, I can't personally vouch for it but the channels are well known. Green Beetle, making the "french fry knife" and a Viking spearhead video by That Works.
This is fantastic, but where is that video on tips and tricks to using tongs. The first thing everyone must learn is how to manipulate a pair of tongs as well as learn the hammer control.
Great Video John, BTW the Boone Tongs are on sale for the next 2 Days for $27 each, get them here www.blacksmithsupply.com/Boone-Claw-Tongs_p_34.html
Thanks, I'll pin this comment to the top so people can find it
A bonus of the pliers- handle system is that every tool is both a cross tool and a handle in line tool.
Absolutely should ave mentioned that.
I'm lined out to make a few of these tools on Thursday. I'll have a couple extra hands and a 450lb Beaudry power hammer to coax that stubborn S7 to play nice so it ought to be a hoot. Thanks for sharing this great idea with us John. This is going to be a much nicer system than having to find room for all the extra handles. My treadle hammer project is coming to a successful conclusion. Thanks for all of your help. I'm curious to see what your spring tools would look like to forge that reduced section. I think that I have a pretty good idea---but you surprise me regularly. Our Mullen weeds are growing nicely--over the 6' mark and going...
I love the tool building videos. I became fixated on your left hand and the turning technique you use.
That is something I rarely think about. I suppose i should try setting up a camera just to catch the hand movements occasionally
Absolutely. Efficient and accurate forging isn't just about hammer blows, proper handling and positioning of the workpiece makes up a big part of the process.
John first I want to say that I enjoy all of your videos especially the tool making tutorial videos.I am in the process of setting up my shop in order to help veterans get started in Blacksmithing' In Montana we have a veteran suicide rate 3 times higher than the national average and we have found that getting then started in Blacksmithing is very helpful. You are a great teacher and I want to thank you for all that you do for the Blacksmithing community. The Deacon James Jones Black Hand Forge.
Wonderful John, thanks for sharing
Good fun. Thanks for the chat.
Great video, I just pulled the trigger on a treadle hammer. I look forward to more treadle hammer videos. Keep up the good work teacher. Semper Fi
Thank you for your service Devil Dog. Semper Fi Brother.
Love your videos they are educational and entertaining
Thanks
Your timing on this video is spot on, John. I am welding the anvil, which I completed last night, under the hammer of my new treadle hammer today. The tooling system that you have described looks like it would be a really smart way to go. This is a great video! Thanks again.
So glad you also mentioned about other steels the to small shop would find easier to work with and have similar results
. Argee with save space in tiny Forge- shed as I have
. I did have a ideal to get the system working but I need to get the information about the steel to get.
Thanks for showing and teaching Sir
I so appreciate your tool making videos. The process is fascinating and there's something to be said about making your own tools.
My grandfather made countless tools. He was a southpaw, and most tools were not working, so he made his own.
Hello John
Thanks for the Video
Thanks that i can learn from you in this way because to take a Claas at your shop and see you in Person is in this times impossible
But this Chaos will quit some day
And then i travel to the US and i have a journey target ☝️😏
Stay save and well
Best Wishes from Germany
Yours Frank
Hi John
It seems you have a lot of followers in Germany. So like Frank wrote, I also can learn a lot from you and see intresting skills.
Thanx a lot and stay save.
Greetings form Germany
Thomas
Thank you for watching. I am glad the videos appeal to more blacksmiths around the world.
Those are nice treadle hammer tools, and I think those tongs are really neat, I have never seen tongs like that before.
Hi John,I finally built a treadle hammer,with the same basic design that Big dog forge used to build his new one ,with some tooling I think it will be pretty handy.Thanks.
A lot of work into a simple tool.
JIM
👍👍 Great video John. Tools for tools awesome work. Thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
Thanks for watching!
I marvel at your ability to rotate the tongs while keeping them tight. You must have had a thousand hours of practice. Do you have any an ideas to make an appliance to practice with when you are not at the forge?
Peter Venderé. Yep, Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book about how it takes 10,000 hours of practice to be the best at most things.
Just grab a pair of tongs and put some material in them then sit and watch UA-cam videos while rotating the tongs around in your hand. But really its just a matter of time at the anvil. Using tong clips would help
Really nice presentation for this set of Tongs and the tooling one can make to go w them. Thanks for sharing. Lol got you in the spot light now lololol heck a couple of them.
🙏 Blessings abundant sirSir
Crawford out ⚒️🧙♂️
great video!! If only I had a treadle hammer when drawing out 1'' round high carbon steel it will wear you out thankfully im young and can handle the load
Cool video thanks for the inspiration I hope to have a UA-cam channel like yours one day
UA-cam is a long journey, but if you stick with it it will build on itself
@@BlackBearForge thank you for the knowledge
That is handy
Hi JOHN I have been thinking of building a treadle hammer for some time now
I Have looked at so many different types , but I think the one you have is the one i want
. I Have found the planes on the Abana store wear you said they would be
they only charge 15 dollars + PH so looks like i am going to be busy building the hammer
as soon as I receive the planes.
When I grow up, I want a treadle hammer.
This may sound like a silly question from a fellow smith who's been doing this as a hobbyist for over 30 years, but... What's the most likey problem if you quench too far above critical. I've never had problems with quenching after a long slow heat up too not quite welding heat. But anything I can do to make my tools a better product I'll happy too do.
My specialty is making special tools for industrial mechanics.
over heating can result in grain growth withing the steel which greatly increases the risk of cracking.
Nice tongs, could you show us a bit closer one time would like to make some like that.
I'm thinking the narrowed band/whachamacallit could also be done with a press, alt. fly press if you have a suitable set of dies.
Lots of ways to approach the problem with the right tooling
Have you ever considered placing a pallet or similar item on the floor next to the anvil to "put the work" at a better work height? You seem to hammer more strenuously when using the smithin' magician.
I heard John, Said long ago as he doesn't have to bend over and finds his height best for him.
The anvil height is ideal for anvil work. While this does put the Smithin magician at a higher point than might be ideal it isn't a big issue. A palate to stand on would create a trip hazard as well as be something that was in the way 95% of the time. Some people have the guillotine tools mounted on a separate stand
@@BlackBearForge That all makes sense. Thx
Great idea. I'd be happier if I could find something like this in Australia. The ONLY thing that I would have a question on (and really, only time will tell) is how long will the space you've created for the tongs in the tool last (obviously depending on how much you use them) with wear and tear? I guess I'm wondering about mushrooming and squashing. My experience with that tool steel is very limited.
As you say, only time will tell. But I have seen other people using similar systems and have never heard them complain that they had become shorter.
nice vid. thanks for sharing.
instead of the long reduced area, perhaps three grooves in the right places using a fuller? seems like less work and would require less specialized tools. just a thought, keep up the great work and thanks again for the channel.
@Anifco67 great point. yes, one groove for the middle tine should be the simplest answer.....
Could you make a spring tool to shape the groove for the power hammer? I use one for my machine, but my tong tools always have a square hold so it is much simpler to achieve than round.
Hey John, I have learned a great deal from your videos and really enjoy them. Where do you get your vermiculite ? Thanks!
Garden supply stores usually have it. Although the last batch was actually used as packing material for a gallon jug of liquid.
I am Arshad owner mtc related with tongs business
Hail hole from last summer... Didn't fix it because the bees wouldn't have a way in... 😆!
Don't fix it because I plan to get rid of the skylights completely.
Would the guillotine tool work better if it were not allowed to bounce in the hardy?
you need a stop system for your guilotine
John, what is the metal in your guillotine tool? The S7 tool steel is hot and air hardening when it cools, but I notice the tools in the guillotine do not tend to heat up and keep their shape.
I have dies from S7, O1 and 4140. Most are 4140
@@BlackBearForge thank you.
where can i get the s7 stock? no one will sell to me and local steel providers do not stock this, even though they supply many machine shops and are really friendly cool people i've known since childhood. they just don't go out their way for any man no matter who ya are unless they stand to make a pile of money. also i cannot find h13. not even online. i get the run around with sales reps.
if you could direct me to a supplier email me @ homemaintenancebymm@gmail.com
i would be so grateful
I generally buy from McMaster Carr www.mcmaster.com/grade-s7-tool-steel But sometime you can find it on Ebay as well
Is there a way to turn low carbon steel into high carbon steel?
You can case harden. That adds a thin layer of higher carbon that improves wear resistance. Great for swages and fullers, but if used for cutting tools you grind through when you sharpen and lose any benefit.
I saw a couple videos where guys claimed they did it, I can't personally vouch for it but the channels are well known. Green Beetle, making the "french fry knife" and a Viking spearhead video by That Works.
This is fantastic, but where is that video on tips and tricks to using tongs. The first thing everyone must learn is how to manipulate a pair of tongs as well as learn the hammer control.
For a novice, what is the difference between a butcher and a guillotine tool?
A guillotine tool is really just a guide system for a variety of tools. Fullers, swages and butchers being common.