League's problem is NOT Gameplay | Reacting to The REAL Reasons For The Fall of League of Legends
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Another fun fact, the early league pick order was determined by ELO, so if you were last pick, you were the lowest rated player on the team. This was a great unintentional feature.
That sounds like a terrible feature. Not only does it punish someone for just not being as good, but then it also 9 times out of 10 puts your worst player on support. Might as well make a giant neon sign that tells the enemy team "Just target the support, they're the weakest link".
Thank god they removed that.
@@Max465 Yes, the worst player should definitely have priority and be expected to carry the game...
You may not want to admit it, but the roles do not have equal agency over the game, and giving the players in approximate order of skill their best chance to carry the game was a good unintentional feature.If all of the other players on the team are better than you at their best role, why should you force them onto the role with the least ability to impact the game to accommodate you.
Plus you could always request a swap, and while not guaranteed, people were often enough willing to try and accommodate. You got a fairly regular distribution of games and it was good that you didn't get to be so picky and actually learn the entire game instead of 1/5 of it.
Nah, no point in playing when the account you got 16 M7 champs on gets perma banned bc you curse out somebody inting in your games. You got a account so far and in half a dozen games of cursing at inters and trolls its all taken away is the reason. No point in trying to get an account to the point you were if you just have to sit there and take the trolls holding your games hostage and ruining the chance you have at winning a game. Bans are the reason people arent playing bc their main, secondary, and 3rd and 4th accounts are all banned now...
@@Shananiganeer how is support lowest impact
@@gtab This is solo queue, not a coordinated environment where vision and roaming are more valuable.
Honestly, I got more satisfaction in this game seeing that a toxic troll was punished by my report than promoting to gold for the first time
LMFAO
Same I felt nothing when I got Chal at wild rift but actually felt some semblance of happiness when a toxic leaver got banned.
tbh, that's a problem on your end
Every time I see the player feedback report pop up on my screen, I experience a sense of joy and accomplishment so intense it literally brings tears to my eyes. It's a beautiful thing.
Interesting to think that the rank 1 player would always be in control of picks/bans
my main question is why Riot still feel the need to pump out so many new champions now, they already have over 150, why not take it just a bit slower and focus on other things more, needing new champs each month is seriously making this problem worse
Also yes, I'd approve of removing Yuumi
money
innovation. To keep the game free.
@@mazorizk Maybe, but they could also, despite the irony, focus more on skins for example
Sure innovation is one thing, but by now to have a new champ they have to do some pretty mad stuff
There is already like 3 champs released this year and we still have like 5 more months left in the year. Next year moving on, they should look to release 1 champion per year. 2 at most.
There was a time where we got a champ every 2 weeks, this is pretty calm
11:30 or so resonated so hard. Rather than genuine joy or accomplishment, winning just becomes a sigh of relief. Rather than being a POSITIVE, its simply being glad it wasn't a NEGATIVE.
Even worse when you get that sigh of relieve at the end of the game, because you had no griefer on your team and everyone was actually out to try and play the game. I honestly don't care if I win or loose, but if my ADCs runs it down because the jungle took the crab both were trying to take, not even a win feels good anymore.
I agree. People have to think about their relation to this game and the way they play it
Sid Meier (creator of the Civ series) said "players will optimize the fun out of a game".
It's even more true today.
its true. i put something crazy like 70-80 hours into a week of the New World beta. And then i studied data, writeups, was compiling my own min - maxing guide etc.
In the beginning I just wanted to play a new MMO, revisit some childhood vibes and I wanted to be one of the OG's this time, at the top of the apex.
Well, after that experience, and even buying the game, I never played it. I never even played New World on launch.
Because I min maxed the fun out of it. Literally. I didn't have fun by the end of it.
So with that experience under my belt, if I do ever pick up another MMO, I will be playing for fun.
I will still have competitive vibes but I will never approach a game the same way I did with that game.
That's why I like that riot adds a patch every two weeks you can't really figure out everything so it kinda makes it fresh idk but u like it
t's funny that this is the general consensus. The average player (silver-plat) is nowhere near optimized. Watch any vods of gameplay at these levels and you will realize what im talking about. Junglers are doing suboptimal clears which are now less punished by the scuttle changes. Laners have no idea how to manage waves and how or when to ward. Jungle pathing is not really tracked or thought about. Bot lanes still lose to lvl 2 rushes even after playing for 3-4+ seasons.
@@tatooine_dream New world was super fun the first few weeks but maybe you also realized how bad the game was designed and that there wasnt really anything to be excited about when playing the alphas/beta. The competitiveness is partially what makes it fun but you are right, if you play the hell out of something you will get bored super quickly if you dont try to enjoy the process, take that with any MMO literally. However, I do think that the issues the game had is the fundamental reason as to why people didn't enjoy it.
I guarantee this game would pop off again if they did something about the egregious amount of griefers there are. I'm sure I'm not the only one who makes sure not to say I'm in promos because in all likelihood someone on my team will at least consider throwing the game just to be a dick.
I dont even remember the last time I’ve met a griefer, dont really understand this
@@drymanic you must not play a lot of ranked then
@@drymanic you must not play a lot of ranked then
@oTruth MLBB thats what im saying
@@drymanic if you haven’t met an inter in a long time you’re probably below plat, after plat people just have huge egos and they can get to plat in no time so they don’t mind inting a game if they dislike you
I've had several games where one player would get tilted because of one bad gank i did and they would just follow me around the jungle stealing my camps or telling the enemy in all chat where i was at all times. No ammount of reports or tickets you send to riot will get them banned and i truly dont understand why
Because that would require that a living person actually review the game. They can't be bothered to do that.
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They have automated systems for banning, and those automated systems cannot track trolling mid game. They can only track keywords in text and compiled reports. So if you type "ni***r" or "ret**d" in your very first game upon starting your account, you will get immediately banned because automated system CAN pick it up. If you int and troll, automated system will only pick up who reports you. And a single report or group of reports cannot result in automated ban because of false positives.
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So by nature, the automated system will be inefficient for cases like you mention. You just have to wait and hope enough people report them so that the automated system passes it's set limit of reports to auto ban.
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Not saying human systems are perfect too. There will often be the "moderator syndrome" where that kind of power can go to peoples heads. Then tack on Riot probably wouldn't want to pay these folks too much, which could affect the amount of integrity they put into their work. My main point here is that automated systems are doomed to fail by nature, but they are the cheapest way to make it look like they actually give a shit and are doing something.
Loser's queue is a feature of the game. EOMM matchmaking has a use for feeders and inters
I have been playing since season 2 and never intentionally left a game. This year around February I just couldn’t take it anymore. I ran into a troll who inted my game back to back and harass me in chat. I reported the player in game and submit a ticket. Nothing was done. I ran into that player again, I left the game and haven’t play the game since. Probably would play again, but playing Lost Ark atm is a lot less stressful. I didn’t sign up to play game to become stressed and deal with toxicity of ruining gameplay and competitive integrity. Too many people grief and leave games. Ranked game mode is suppose to be competitive, but it’s a complete shitshow. Guess I don’t have tolerance for that anymore after 10 years. Riot had many years to address and improve this issue, unfortunately they decide to let the game rot. As someone who love play and watching pro plays for so long, it’s so depressing and disappointing that it has come down to this.
you are the real MVP bro. If we behave like you did, they would fix this issue ASAP
I agree with you... I to will no longer play this game anymore. fu- riot.
Imagine crying about toxicity when there is a mute button🤡
@@mypoopiscomingandiplaymine426 you can’t mute running down mid, leaving games, and ap zed trolls. POV you’re that kind of player
I've played league from S1 to S6ish as far as keeping up on metas and being active, I've left the game since then and it's amazing to me all these years later that absolutely nothing has changed on this front. The game's are so stressful and unfun, everytime I have a friend ask me back to play a normal, I just don't get that excited feeling of queing up like I used to. If people want to talk about high %, this game has a high % of unsatisfaction, winning or not.
The reason why I stopped playing was my legendary 10 afk streak of games. That was my breaking point. I played afterward once or twice and haven't touched the game again. I am a happier person now.
The gentleman's agreement to never care on a serious level always exists, and it is a games quick play environment. To absolutely nobody's surprise, this also happens to be the biggest crapshoot of toxicity.
It is entirely possibly for players to play as they did before, throwing caution to the wind and trying whatever thing sounds fun in the moment. The vast majority of these players just want to do so in the curated environments filled with players who DON'T want to do that. Why? Because the environments that share their interests in not caring tend to be lower quality.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
My method: Normals, for fun build, /mute all. Enjoy
That is an entirely incorrect statement
There's a difference, see, there's people (a lot like you I'm sure) that want to "try whatever thing sounds fun" but have no clue how their idea even works. Then there's people like me, that got flamed for Sion support, reported and actually got a punishment for doing so, despite having an above average winrate and 9 out of 10 games I was executing well. Wasn't until a korean player started doing it did I stop getting flames and reports for playing it. I tried a new thing, knew how it functioned and executed my idea.
The problem is you get people that take Yuumi jungle because they want to try whatever sounds fun, but they have no idea how that works. They get executed to their first buff and start ganking lanes when they're level 2 and the rest of the game is averaging level 6. They couldn't even be bothered to open up a practice tool or custom game to practice the jungle route and people like you lump me in with them.
I'm not asking for try hards, hell I don't even care if you're a bad player really. It's the effort, the playing, it's about whether or not I can consider you a teammate, or somebody selfishly entering my game to see if you can figure out in the span of a game if a champion/build is viable. At least _think_ about it before you queue up, it really ruins it for the people that actually know how to execute new ideas.
@@SherrifOfNottingham "That is an entirely incorrect statement" they say as they go on to prove me right by describing how their Q has been an absolute crapshoot of quality.
Listen, do you think you're the first person to think they're a visionary trapped in a queue with people that simply couldn't understand your brilliance? And do you really expect me to think you perfected the strategy from the jump? That you never had loss streaks while you refined your craft? You wanted to play your own dumb way and you were willing to drag the lobby down to suffer the consequences. Lord only knows the amount of shit you typed in chat
You are the exact same as those idiots you so gleefully look down upon. I'm sorry you had to learn today that you aren't faker, but no you can't pretend you were above it all just because you built different.
if it’s my cake you bet your ass i’m gonna eat it too
I agree I don't have a problem with the gameplay and balancing overall except for a handful of outliers over the course of a whole season or couple of years and I think the game is overall fun. My main problem is the level of griefing that is basically normalized because riot will take no action despite players having hours of stream footage and lots of screenshots of evidence against the most egregious cases (not even for the whole player base which is huge but the small amount of high elo players or few popular streamers)
Just mute.
@@NickMaruca lemme just mute that mid laner following the jungler around taking their camps and flashing on them...
Nah, no point in playing when the account you got 16 M7 champs on gets perma banned bc you curse out somebody inting in your games. You got a account so far and in half a dozen games of cursing at inters and trolls its all taken away is the reason. No point in trying to get an account to the point you were if you just have to sit there and take the trolls holding your games hostage and ruining the chance you have at winning a game. Bans are the reason people arent playing bc their main, secondary, and 3rd and 4th accounts are all banned now...
yeah the only real way a player gets banned within the day of their shittery is when you say a naughty word
My problem with lol is that no matter what elo you're at you will ALWAYS have people who have the ego that only a player like faker could have. They get really eccentric and will decide that the game is over as soon as the smallest thing goes wrong because they expect their games to go as well as the cherry picked ones their favorite UA-camr put online to show how good he is.
With the popularity of eSports and lol content creators most people play for those games where they destroy everyone and get multiple pentakills because that's all they see online. It's kinda like how incels have unrealistic expectations of women because of what they see in media. Lol players have unrealistic expectations of the game or the climbing experience so they are not ready to put the effort to win games. They want to win, they don't want to play the game. That's why everyone is so toxic or giving up early.
I remember doing well all game, hitting Ashe arrows and stuff from base and I missed one arrow while chasing an ahri and the entire team erupted into pings, like my god chill tf out
The moment when you have been denying and placing vision all game as support, then you reset and someone decides to walk into darkness that moment just to die. Then they ping your wards and blame you for not placing vision.
Like I'm sorry that I only have one champ and can only be at one place at a time man lol
@@Nigolasy that happens so much, and then you look a vision score and they have like 6 vision score
@@Nigolasy but if you are placing vision all game .. then how the fuck there are no wards on the map ?????? XD this sounds like such a silver comment.
@@Tetrathegod You do realise that a player can place a maximum of 3 stealth and 2 pinks wards. That doesn't really cover the whole map. So there obv will be dark spots for your randoms to run into
@@Nigolasy You realize what you said right? and you realize that you dont lose your vision when you die?
Something that didn't get mentioned enough, the sheer amount of game knowledge it takes to play the game now. Used to be you could learn what a champ did from playing them for 1-2 games. Now all the new champions have yards of text and situational modifiers that are almost impossible to identify visually. The game has taken a major hit in clarity and even people like me, who usually absorb huge quantities of information about the games they play, find it hard to keep track of all the different item and ability interactions.
Facts. A while back a friend of mine got introduced to league and we played in a 5 stack. We had to explain in detail basically every pro guides video ever made on last hitting, wave state and management, how to play the champ match up, when to rotate to other lanes and when to go to objectives and how to have good vision control. It’s very front loaded and the majority of the players don’t understand this even though pro players and analysts are constantly debating how to optimise the game.
Nah, no point in playing when the account you got 16 M7 champs on gets perma banned bc you curse out somebody inting in your games. You got a account so far and in half a dozen games of cursing at inters and trolls its all taken away is the reason. No point in trying to get an account to the point you were if you just have to sit there and take the trolls holding your games hostage and ruining the chance you have at winning a game. Bans are the reason people arent playing bc their main, secondary, and 3rd and 4th accounts are all banned now...
ok you are just dancing around the actual fucking reason which is that the general playerbase just got better
@@poggers4392 I'm really not, and your need to be so aggressive with your copium is telling. If the player base is better then only marginally so. When I started playing ranked casually in season 3 I was Gold. I'm still playing casual ranked and I'm still Gold. I tryharded in the middle and made it to d5(season 7?). The playerbase isn't better, they're just more self-important about what they know.
@@PenitentChaplain cap. Playerbase is better and you got better too
> Win rates don’t indicate good design
> Sees a viewer complain about badly designed champs being high maintenance
> Proceeds to use win rates as a counterargument
You just can’t make this shit up
It doesn't have to be good design to be balanced, sadly
Fuck Yasuo/Yone
@@Sanguiris Yas and yone are badly designed they just are good at punishing mistakes that's why people complain about them. If you aren't playing bad the champions are pretty weak. Though ig that's the case for a lot of champions. But especially for high mobility melee fighters people mostly complain about them because they don't know how to play against them not that they are op or unbalanced or badly designed .
As someone who has played from the start I begged for a change from the MMR system. Falling in and out of gold game after game watching your MMR go to shit was very frustrating. You could have a 55% win ratio but lose 23 and only gain 11. It was frustrating.
sounds like a YOU problem tbh. Accept it youre not good at the game. Normal q exist for that reason, To have fun try new shit and not be competitive.
I play League since 2013 and this video gave me some big nostalgic flashbacks
One forgets how broken some things used to be. AP Sion for example running to your lane at 500MS level 3 with a 2s stun and 600 damage nuke
Agreed with the DL take at the end. Game is fun, it's why I still play. I also agree with Exil about how it just feels so shitty alot of the time because of other people afk, int, rage. Hard to enjoy what I feel is a good game with all that in the background, my role isn't in a vacuum.
Nah, no point in playing when the account you got 16 M7 champs on gets perma banned bc you curse out somebody inting in your games. You got a account so far and in half a dozen games of cursing at inters and trolls its all taken away is the reason. No point in trying to get an account to the point you were if you just have to sit there and take the trolls holding your games hostage and ruining the chance you have at winning a game. Bans are the reason people arent playing bc their main, secondary, and 3rd and 4th accounts are all banned now...
@@Habeev07 Then don't flame in your games? Just stop typing it's not hard. I have NEVER been banned in League of Legends. Never. Not even a warning. I have had full blown arguments with people in game, but never to the point I get banned. You must have been saying some shit things.
This is why I avoid PvP games like the plague
My reason to quit was that the game is rigged by the matchmaker. If you won too much, the MM would put you with horrible teammates vs great players, making damn sure you would lose and keep that 50/50 win rate. And when you lost too much, it'ld start balancing the game in your favor. Who wants to play a game where the result is decided in advance?
The more you win it puts you in higher ranking games (where you are not skilled enough to compete) and what's worse is the system is doing that to a lot of players, so occasionally you get put against players that deserve their rank while getting teammates with inflated ranks like yours.
The 50/50 winrate is a normal thing, the match maker will want to balance you at about 50/50 winrate if it's doing its job right. It's not a target, but a confirmation that the system is indeed working. Expecting to win more than half your games is a delusion where you believe you belong in a higher skill level than you are.
Are games won and lost fairly? No, you've got 4 teammates and 5 opponents that are human, make mistakes and play inconsistently. You could lose a game because you're not good enough to overcome the shortcomings of your team, but you'll also be carried by one of the 9 other people in that match sometimes. The best thing to do is ignore the win/loss and focus on having fun at the game, I have 60% winrates with this mentality which is a pretty good winrate for any PvP game.
@@SherrifOfNottingham I was not masochistic enouph to play ranked. The system is frustrating enouph when it doesn't count. So when it does count, it's infuriating. So fuck this shit. Good for you that you like it.
The MMO reference is perfect. The community is taking out almost all the fun themselves because they tell you how to play the game, but then blame the company for making it bad.
The company is the one that puts so much emphasis on the competitive scene and playing to win. The entire game is designed around that. Losses feel god awful. Once you fall behind, you have nothing left to do but hope your opponents suddenly start playing like shit for no reason, which almost never happens. You are practically forced, by design, to try your damnedest every game to hopefully avoid that. That's where "telling you how to play the game" comes from.
And another point, does it really make sense to blame everyone in this community of tens of millions individually? Does it not sound more reasonable that the company of a couple thousand that run the game have created circumstances that make people behave this way when it's this widespread?
@@Ayzev handless apes that played this game for winning brought this into league, riot has his part of problem but noobs are the biggest
Yepp, I used to play Twitch mid because it was fun and I got flamed for it (I made the enemy mage mid laners rage quit), suddenly it became meta and everyone loved that idea like...what? I mean, I was happy but this flaming was so uneccesary, all because i'm not faker irl :v
riot: we know the mute button exists, but you're getting banned for typing.
also riot: we know that you've just completely ruined the game for 9 other people by building three doran's rings, a ruby crystal and a support item and they can't do anything about it -- have a cookie.
One wrong doesn't make another one right. And the first one is far easier to detect.
@@misteranon7806 or be a fucking decent human being in chat huh?
@@supermonkeyyyyyy You are given the option not to participate in chat.
If you can’t handle shit talk on the internet turn it off or don’t play online games.
@@FormerGovernmentHumanweak-minded people are so disgusting. Totally right. If they can't handle harsh words, don't play online then. With the mute function there is no toxicity. But the huge problem is that you can't undo the feeders, the inters, the trolls, the bad players. Their negative impact is certain.
@@ivbolt In the end I think it's about being able to take personal responsibility.
"I choose to shit talk, if i get banned, so be it." is fine, respectable even.
"I shit talked and got banned because of all the cry babies and snowflakes." is a sign of a fundamentally weak and self-pitying mindset.
About autofills;
It should be a toggle-able option, not a thing to have to deal with.
Or even remove it, i think it can be replaced by a system where you select a list of role that you want to play.
-If you want to mid only, you pick one role, mid. This will get you longer queue time, but you'll get mid
-If you want to play mid but are fine with top or supp, you pick 3 roles, mid top sup
- if you want to play supp or anything, select 2 roles, supp fill.
It should be simple and not as frustrating as the current system
Sorry for potential typo im on phone atm
I think if league judged your MMR (which should be directly tied to your rank) off of your individual performance (at least in solo queue), the game would be much less frustrating. It feels terrible playing great, getting ahead, close to perfect CSing, showing up for everything you need to show up to and then still losing because one of your other lanes just ran it down. If I had the highest gold, the most damage done in the game, the most kill participation, the most objectives, etc, why do I lose LP because of how some other person performed in my game (which I have absolutely no control over if I get paired with and how they perform). Solo queue is just poorly thought out and almost designed to be frustrating and limit individual agency which naturally leads to frustration.
League obviously has the metrics to track this stuff after seeing the challenge system, it's just a matter of implementing it into the ranked system. It would feel less futile and frustrating when you get bad teammates too and I think people would try more. You can see people's morale go down and they just mentally check out when you get one of those "guaranteed to lose the game" lanes with your bot or something. Suddenly if your individual performance matters, people would try no matter the game state (which would also make more "unwinnable games" winnable, funny enough). Fix that and they fix league IMO.
They should add an MVP/ACE system with the “Op Score” and rank every player in the game.
The ACE should lose -3/4 lp
The MVP a straight +35/40
Also, the Op Score its a ladder ranked 1 to 10, where LP and MMR gain/loss fluctuate in base of your ladder position.
If ur worst performer of a winning team, u should get +3/5 lp
Position ranks was a really good solution to autofill. My off roles are significantly worse than my main, but that doesn't mean I don't want to competitively play my off roles. As someone who really enjoys playing other lanes and applying mechanics to other contexts, I'm definitely biased. But Its super weird that position ranks weren't mentioned as it was the best of both worlds in terms of not affecting your primary rank and being able to play off role against players of supposedly similar skill.
because it was not a good solution. if a teammate got autofilled they don't care if they lose or not, because they don't lose elo on their main role. but you will still lose elo on your main role. autofilled teamd had even lower winrates than they do with the current system
Also in my experience a lot of new players will get auto-filled jungle, which is the worst role to have occupied by someone who doesn't know how to play it.
Man as a OG LoL gamer from 2011, it‘s crazy to see that some of the legends like Doublelift still make LoL content. Gives me nostalgia feelings.
for like every game, the magic of not knowing is the best part of a game. I loved starting games like minecraft and terraria, because hell, me and my friends didn't have a fucking clue what we were doing, but everything we did was just fun. Now I feel burnt out of many games, I still play them from time to time with my friends, but I've started going into other games and stuff that I haven't played much or in a long time, even to go into modded terraria just for a different experience and well, it is a lot more fun not having a clear idea what im doing than having some random teammate or my friend in league tell me the champ i picked isnt meta right now. I especially wish the limited gamemodes, the magic of playing urf and I could be that guy who would run around dragging jungle camps on syndra, or make a huge army of minions on anivia. But now there are people who will come to kill you because theyll get a bit more gold
You're totally right Double.
not knowing how to min/max a game is almost always the best period of the game. I can't think of any examples where this isn't the case.
I think MTG card game was ruined by people willing to pay thousands of dollars to make their decks the strongest possible, when the best way to play the game is with limitations on a incomplete set of cards and figuring out creative ways to make the most of it. That also makes bad cards fun to use in interesting edge cases you will NEVER attempt without a limited card pool.
Once I start to understand a game so well I can predict what im going to do minute to minute for like a whole hour or game session, thats the point where it often stops being fun. Exceptions are some games like Smash Bros Melee, but even those games with super high skill cap and repeatability have their limits.
what you were saying about 2 minutes in is why we really need a simplified, dumbed down moba on every platform with full crossplay that anyone can enjoy. You can have simplicity and still have depth
I will die on the hill that yuumi is the strongest item in the game. And riot has a fetish for banning people for standing up for themselves in chat while someone has been typing in fountain for 10 minutes.
no point in playing when the account you got 16 M7 champs on finally gets perma banned bc you curse out somebody inting in your games. You got a account so far and in half a dozen games of cursing at inters and trolls its all taken away is the reason. No point in trying to get an account to the point you were if you just have to sit there and take the trolls holding your games hostage and ruining the chance you have at winning a game. Bans are the reason people arent playing bc their main, secondary, and 3rd and 4th accounts are all banned now...
I completely agree with double here. Most of my friends have quit in the last 3-4 years mostly due to inters and feeders ruining games, and a fair game felt few and far between. but i kept playing because even in ranked I could feel the competitive energy from games much more frequently, and recently due to the durability patch and new champs being pretty unique and interesting, I am really enjoying the current state of the game.
The only thing that makes me want to uninstall is the community, that's it. If I didn't have people capable of wasting nearly an hour of my life all cause they're having a bad day then maybe I wouldn't uninstall
Same. Game is great, but having every other game ruined by people refusing to play together because they have a massivd ego just makes it impossible to experience the game. It's the onlh reason I uninstalled
I think that goes into why I quit this game back in 2015 and came back years later. The tryhardy, elitist, and egotistical nature of the community just started becoming far too much to bear, and this is from me playing since season 2. Even though the game was still fun and introducing constant exciting things at the time, it didn't pull me back in because I knew I would just become burnt out again with all the people typing ableist slurs in chat, being behind on meta builds, and the massive timesink the game demands you commit which can interfere with your life.
@@Ratty524 I quit around S5 or S6 as far as keeping up. Occasionally play normals with friends but I can't say I play the game anymore. I couldn't play League and set it down for a few weeks without being drastically behind on the game. The games aren't fun, people troll, int, flame, etc in too many games. The game is just a mini-game on how often you can adapt to changes in the meta instead of just playing the game to have fun. The competitive aspect of this game is ruining the game honestly. I still follow some streamers playing the game because I did have fond memories of playing early seasons of League but for me the game lost its magic and its just not fun anymore.
I don't really agree. I have trolls in my games, but most of the time (I'm a support main) I feel like the matchmaking system is testing my nerves. Too often, after 3 to 5 minutes, I have to manage the botlane on my own because the ADC sucks.
And most of the time, people don't understand why I do this. Like, dude, haven't you seen our Tristana's last 3 deaths ? Haven't you seen that she never hit good timings ? Haven't you seen how she's just a useless gold vacuum who won't be relevant, even at 6 items ? I've won countless games by basically getting all the farm and exp solo bot, ending up outdamaging everyone in the team.
But this isn't how people are supposed to play. I don't fucking know HOW there can be such level difference in a game, when I can practically solo win as a support while another teammate can't do shit even after I fed them any resource I could during 10 minutes. I'm in fucking gold, where the playerbase is the largest, and the matchmaking STILL can't find people who have the same level than me ?
This is depressing, and I uninstalled the game because I couldn't stand fighting agaisnt my own team, trying to explain why I'm the one farming, that I'm not trolling and I just want to win, and I can't trust our fucking ADC who doesn't seem to understand anything about the game and has done worse than nothing.
League is not a good game, just an addictive one. I don't even care about the elo anymore, I just want to have fun, which I can't because the skill gap between players in the same game is too fucking ridiculous. It's either stomp the noobs or suffer a slow, inevitable losing game where you are the only one who is aware of what's happening.
Fuck league and I'm glad I'm not addicted to it anymore so I do'nt have to play it.
@@jazzvez6117 The problem is indeed gameplay-wise. Playing is mostly Die or Kill instead of an actual dance of potential outplay. The game feels that just punishes you for not playing certain way.
Back in 2017, I used to go a net cafe and play League with my girlfriend at the time, right after work. We never played against other plays, just co-op vs ai. We had tons of fun, we could choose any champ we want and the players on the team don't really care if we were behind (which is technically impossible).
However, when I play solo queue at home, I'm burnt out and toxic.
Yeah and thats the difference between playing vs bots and playing vs people who want to win too .. and its a serious situation.. (OMG ON THE OLYMPICS GAMES EVERYONE ARE SO SERIOUSSSSSS) ?!
They should rework in game interfaces and make the game more rewarding with ranking/items type stuff
@fck peace Laning phase was killed by the meta a long time ago (and by meta I include both Riot and the players). People simply realised that winning other lanes is better than winning your own lane.
I always say this: The problem isn't the game, its the community. I seen a documentary of this game and there are toxic smurfs who play just to treat new or inexperienced players like garbage.
Like we have to suffer for something WE didn't do. There are some who play to get better, but there comes a point when players just had enough of being the scapegoat a this game will tank. There needs to be more strict actions when certain things happen.🥃
Everyone needs to stop doing physical trolling. Inting, quitting, etc...
Words will never hurt you.
@@adameves5970 it's still very annoying. Being insulted by other players when you're just trying to have fun is very exhausting and toxic.
That shit has to end
@@adameves5970 Some people do get hurt by words. Not everyone is insensitive enough to just have that pass. Words can hurt just as much as physical pain. You always need to remember that there is another human being playing and that person might just have a bad day. They won't play better when others are toxic to them and it won't make you feel better. If you need to vent, speak it out loud to yourself. Don't drag others down with you.
Split pushing in old school league was wild. Totally is misunderstood today.
I agree with you Doublelift on the end. I after playing this game for 7 to 8 years now and taking a 4 to 5 year break because it was in such a bad state, I really think League is more fun now. I like the direction they are going and there is more diversity in the game now.
What I don't get is why Riot doesn't have a live lobby. Like, if someone dodges, why does it have to close the entire lobby and make everyone else rejoin? Wouldn't it be better to keep the lobby open and have the program search for a replacement while the remaining players wait?
Youre asking them to update something that fighting games do daily for decades before them?
So if someone declares hes trolling and grabs cleanse clarity in champ sel, the whole lobby has to all suffer(dodge) ??
@@iamherpderp There is an in-menu report button for that.
@@immagoingbacktobed1742 it’s proven it doesn’t do anything. Only the post game reports count.
I agree but remove hulkbreaker. It's the least interactive item and the amount of pressure it creates for champs that can become unkillable while going 0/10 is ridiculous. Still winning the game for their team because it takes more than one person to stop someone who's inted almost a dozen times with one or two items to destroy all your towers while you are dragged acrossed the map to fight and survive. You can't choose to stay and protect while fighting for objectives because you become at a numbers disvantage to someone who isn't even ahead of the game. Also, the bounty system is horrendous. I can't tell if they want to make the winning team win slower or win faster depending on people's play experience. You can't come back in a game if you lose a bounty after gaining 2 kills after dying 4 times from ganks. It's a pointless system for both sides of the game.
remove yuumi too
I 100% agree hull breaker completely ruins the style of league, it’s a team game
yeah i agree.adn i get idiot from low plats getting hullbreaker to split the entire time and enver help achieve anything meaningfully. what a stupid item to add. you go off by urself all the time you should get punished. not rewarded with huge stats to bounce back. whos the idiot that's smoking crack on riots team. they need some serious clean house.
Yeah I hate the item. Split pushing in genera is just unfun
@@jacobfierro1749 its a team game? soloq is about 1v9 not about team work dont be delusional
Ahhh.. I mean.. I too quit lueage, and I had been playing since season 1. But people forget there are ALWAYS flaws present, and there have been many throughout all the seasons.
It's not always the game, it's the players, the veterans that simply burn out, lost the feeling and crave for something new. It ain't strange that after 2 years, 5 years or 10 years you might want something different, and the game does not satisfy your needs as it did before. It is then easy to seek for the answer as to why you experience this burned out feeling and blame it on things you find annoying or stupid about the game.
But really, you have accepted and loved the game despite all the earlier flaws because you weren't burned out on it just yet.
I think Yuumi could be a healthy enchanter if they made her W into her ultimate, similar to what they did with Twisted Fate's ult. They would have to change her Q a bit and could probably give her a small CC on her W instead to fit the "enchanters have minor but reliable CC" mentioned in the video, but if they made her ult only able to attach to one person for a few seconds it would turn it into an interesting tatctical choice of whether to buff the diver for better engage, buffing your frontliner for more tankyness, or buffing an ADC or assassin for more damage (dps or burst). Then it would also make her relatively easy to shut down, because if she can't change who she's on, then CC'ing one person is killing two birds with one stone, giving a good risk/reward feedback loop. And if she really needed to do something while attached and CC'd she could always cancel her ult and jump of them at the risk of getting killed for being squishy.
It would also delay her being really hard to punish early game and create better counterplay. She would probably need some minor buffs to health, and the stat increases on her target would need to be more for it to be a proper ultimate, but I think it's an interesting idea.
but then its just gonna become a real afk cat, just sit and hit heal
@@issacleung9409 how so? If you can only jump on someone for a few seconds per ult then most of the game will be spent walking around normally. If you try sitting still then you're an easy pick.
Or just do this- when the champ she’s attached to gets ccd, she gets knocked off. OR she takes a percentage of damage when she’s on a champ
@@1who4me that could work, but it feels a bit cheap to me that she can just jump on again after a few seconds (if they both survive of course).
They should just fix there LP system I mean for the system to recognize who was the best player in the game and who was the worst in each match based on the stats at the end of the match , and based on that it depends on how much LP you are given and taken , and if you think about it , if there is a troll in your match and he runs it down mid the system will recognize that behavior and punish it by (if it's a loss) taking away a big amount of lp away and if it's a win it will give them small amount of LP
It will motivate players to do their best in each match and get rid of all the trolls flamers etc , because if you think about it , if you did good in the match and you lose because of your bad teammates it won't affect your LP and it will be easier to climb solo q because the game won't be based on wins and losses , only your skill
Totally agree with the min max argument, I try and avoid any kind of video guides unless I get really stuck or don't understand a mechanic etc. Since I started doing this games have become way more fun.
I think the way the game has trended has made it so that it requires an ever increasing amount of coordination and/or codependency, whereas the way the game has been managed has caused a trend of LESS.
Which is an unfortunate situation because in a vacuum, I think the game has actually improved quite a lot, and it was a pretty great thing to begin with.
I would think that this would feel like a great era for pros who get to practice in a full team environment.
But it places demands on solo queue that can't be met, or at least not with the same attitude.
Long story short: Winning = fun. I guess I'm a boomer but I like having fun by not following the meta. Winning does feel good by all means, but nowadays I feel like I've had a lot more fun by knowing I did my best, even if I lose.
People have optimized and maximized "having fun." So sweaty people, please gtfo out of my Aram lobbies. I wanna build full AD Banana Launcher Soraka.
With the new items i tried building "off meta items" on champions and had fun with it. But there was not a single game in which i did not get flamed for building those items on certain champions.
So for all the sweaty people out there, its an unranked game, let me build Ability power items on Sion, i just want to bowl people to death thank you.
@@Vitusdex i think if your doing that just mute everyone
I think the problem with banana launcher soraka isn’t just winning, but autonomy. Suppose I am playing a carry in ARAM and I have a an AD soraka on my team. The reality of the situation is that the enemy team will focus their efforts and CC on killing me-reducing my autonomy-because the AD soraka is just not a threat. If the AD soraka were an AD Lucian, for instance, this would not be a problem. If the AD soraka were a support soraka or a tank, this would also not be a problem. But playing a champion that is closer to being AFK than a meta champion is makes the game more like a 4v5 (which usually isn’t very enjoyable, no matter what you are playing).
I have no problem with people playing for fun, and I think you are within your “rights” to play AD soraka if you want to, but I think it’s worth recognizing that some styles of fun will decrease the fun other people have *regardless of whether or not they care about winning*. Just some food for thought.
I think you can also have fun with league if you get a stack of friends. Sadly none of my pals play league anymore, but for me that was always the most fun back in the day
long story short = fvck yuumi remove that cancer
Yeah the most exciting thing for me when I played league was the Champion collection it self since it took me a long time to know and get all of them. Each champ I buy with the hard earned IP I got was a new experience to me. Just playing them as I like, disregarding their role to the game was the most entertaining aspect of the game for me, buying champs by their looks rather their strength and potency. It took me 3 years to effing find the role that fits me and where I excel at (Top lane). And those three years where irreplaceable, from that point where I started to understand and win games was where it all started to either bit by bit. Knowing the "Nitty gritty" of thing was where I learned that every game is a flow that you need to follow, minimizing errors to win started to become more of a chore rather than a game. All building up to the point where you realize your doing a task rather than playing the game, where the micro is overruled by the Macro.
It is toxicity, incompetence and manipulation that kills the game.
And the ongoing Gaslighting that you as a decent player trying to play well are the problem, because you just have to get better.
I have the feeling that there are more and more ppl who just abuse meta to climb. They aren't playing for fun, it's just about ladder. And when their stuff gets nerfed and they can't adopt another op strat, they just int all the way down... Makes plat/dia unplayable
I think there is some really simple things Riot can do to improve things tremendously, it just feels like nowadays there barely any effort in anything they do with league specifically that isnt new champs/skins/events
Yeah it is. The gameplay has gone to crap because we have 160 champs. People say they can play the game but only play 1-5 champs. The new champs in last 2 years specifically far eclipse the champions that came before them. If they weren't OP, they wouldn't sell. It's more profitable to keep churning out champs and then trying to balance out 160 champs against each other after the fact. No one with an ounce of intellect would do that without knowing they will make more money. They just raised the prices of everything on League. They aren't out to make a balanced, competitive game. They are out to make money. Balance is a secondary, unimportant objective that only needs to be addressed when it threatens profits.
Aphromoo: Samira’s passive is 2 paragraphs!!
Akshan: am I a joke to you??
Every upcoming champs be like 👀
Doublelift is so dead on on the not knowing part of fun. The game becomes unfun when people create meta. Game developers should remove or at least decrease the rate at which knowledge is thrown out. Let's say in league. I've been saying this for so long but practice tool made the game metaish. It's so unfun. The fun part about league is when people try to discover and we played games while we discover. Games are unfun with metas because meta means repetitive set of rules. People back then played games while discovering new stuff and not just copy pasting build and strategies from pros.
Did i really read this shit ? Bro you have NO clue about this game .. riot made sure you can play ANY CHAMP with 3,4 diff builds and be useful if you are good at the champion (having between 7 - 10 iq) THERE IS META but there is also waaaaaaaaaaaay more choice :)
I fully agree with removing promos. As someone who is relatively casual when playing ranked, I think it’s a dumb system that is not in most other games.
casual in solo/duo or flex?
@@ggitslificious solo/duo. By casual I mean I’m not grinding hours per day. I don’t really have time for it. I take it seriously, I just don’t have the time. And getting stuck in promos can be weeks/months for me since I sometimes can only get a few games per week in
you see you are the problem , why the hell do you need to play ranked if you are casual ?
@@timeovah9190 because I enjoy playing video games competitively? Why do I need to play nonstop to enjoy a game mode? I have a life outside of the game and playing ranked with buddies is fun. Same reason I really like playing clash. Also, in other games, I can play ranked and not have to do placements and climb. It's just a bad system that needs to be removed
@@jonathanleake6611 competitively and casual are one the opposite of the other , you can't say you like to play both ways , for one there are arams and normals for the other there are ranked , that's all wake up you are not making sense
Mmr for a team based games can NEVER work , it is always gonna be super unfair and frustrating.
I feel like most people who claim they still enjoy the game only say this because they have already put in so much time and effort (and sometimes lots of money) that they would convince themselves that the game is still enjoyable, even when its not
The game is enjoyable. The players are not.
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd hmm, I have to disagree with you (partially). The player base is definitely rotten, but it didnt happen overnight or for no reason. LoL does not attract toxic people; it CREATES them
the real change that fked the whole game was when they dropped competitive integrity as a design philsophy. All champs being somewhat balanced.
i used to use ugg but ever since i stopped using it i have learned so much more about the game and like its just more fun without the jgl timers and like i knew 0 shit about runes but now i dont know perfectly still i can roughly set runes for any champ that i know the abilities of
I use the ingame overlays and stuff for one purpose, to see what kind of tags it associates with me and my friends. The reality is it's one of the worst features since it's usually painting a misleading picture of people. Had a Jax on my team that had like 10 good tags and none of the bad ones and they were unequivocally the worst player in the entire match.
12:15 my reasoning for hating the whole LP + grinding to a higher rank. is that I had a game where I went 0/0/6 as naut jungle (I am aware it is somewhat of a troll) I had somebody rage quit or dc, and we surrendered at 10 minutes for the game, as result it was a loss and I lost 16 or 17 LP. Then next good game I had I got S or S+ and I got 10-12 LP. Its as if playing well doesn't mean a thing! and because of this bs of me losing more LP than winning even if I did really well in both games, making me hardstuck in this elo (no I dont want to duo with people to climb and no I dont want to play hundreds of games to climb)
There's no better feeling, even getting the new highest peak in ranked than seeing a person getting banned after reporting them.
Man this happens so rarely which is really insane.
basically what Josh Strife Hayes says, "if you want to not have fun, start optimizing how you play"
Idk guys, I've been playing this game since S4 and I can still find things to love and enjoy about this game. I guess I am a competitive player and enjoy the journey, but I think a lot of people miss tat point exactly. It's about the journey not the destination. Find something new to work on, look up words you've never heard before, get interested in getting better. It's easier than you think to love something if you take a different perspective.
To spark some interest, try looking up a video on "orb walking" or "tethering". I heard those both from DL in casual conversation and found myself fascinated.
I'm glad you're having a good time and enjoying the journey, brother. You have a good mindset. Keep at it.
@@velvetvices I appreciate the support friend
In dota the option to choose any sort of role doesn't even exist when you're above 7.5k mmr (which is rank 2000-2500 ish in EU), you can see everybody's rank both ingame and during select and it's the ultimate whatever the returning the shopping cart morality test is called. People "usually" give higher mmr people the roles they want but some games you'll just have some carry or die dead inside pos 1(""adc"") player who's 4000 mmr below the other guy who wants it firstpick it resulting in both getting counterpicked and usually having someone infinitely better in the enemy team playing their pos 1. Still I prefer having to actually learn to play THE GAME instead of learning to play THE ROLE, I didn't get to rank 300 in dota by learning to play 1 role, I got here by spending 15000 hours and slowly improving at every single role (which are all infintely more diverse than league roles)
Also in terms of champ balance it's hilarious how stuff like yuumi works, dota has a hero called Io, or wisp, which is basically a yuumi which is a squishy ball that tethers to a hero and has to move inside a pretty small aoe, a ball which can actually be focused down, stunned, silenced, interrupted, blinked on and engaged on so you actually have to position yourself properly in order to have effect, while yuumi gameplay seems to be sitting on a champ and healing off cooldown.
And while I think dota is a way "better" game than league (even though if you're in here you probably disagree and that's fine), the problem is that both the skillfloor and skillceiling of dota is soOOOOOOOOO much fucking higher than it is in league, when I was coaching newish players I honestly told them you might not get to have fun until you've played 500-1000 hours of the game, which genuinely sucks, while on the other end league is like babby's first pc game for the reason that it's so easy to get into.
also holy fuck league has 230 champs
I completely agree. And as a support main I really hate how riot wants support to be the easiest role while in dota it's probably the hardest role to play because of the amount of awareness and game knowledge it requires on top of having less access to gold. Io is so hard to play that I never pick him while I will pick yuumi when I want to play on autopilot.
Promos are so dumb--with the nature of soloqueue having a random Bo5 thrown in is completely useless for determining skill. It is great at making it take longer to climb which keeps people playing the game more.
Also, on the discussion of powercreep, I think one competitive game has done so well with it--Pokemon. It suffers from powercreep like other games, but can regulate it's competitive format in a way that can bar some of the worst offenders. There are pokemon who definitely push the boundaries and make older pokemon obsolete, but there's nothing stating that those pokemon need to be allowed in any meta that comes after their release. Pokemon just doesn't always manage their competitive scene for months on end, but even the worst offenders of powercreep aren't nearly as oppressive in other games. 20 year old pokemon still shine in many formats, and brand new pokemon can really suck as pokemon doesn't like to make every single new thing competitively viable.
usually riot will put random animals to promos, before it's actually better when u have 3 games to play to be promoted,
now when ur 80-90 lp ur abt to get promoted league will put animals in ur game
League has become so streamlined in how you HAVE to play, there's no room for any kind of experimentation, and to me, I miss that in the game. Anyone remember the craziness that was AP Yi waaaay back when? How Zergging one lane used to be a somewhat effective tactic? Not anymore, the players as well as the company, have done everything to remove most of that creative play from the game. To the point that if you don't play a specific champion in a certain lane, or with certain Spells or with certain Runes; it's trolling.
Personally, I always wanted to try packing Smite mid, to help the jungler and have more counter jungle play, as well as possibly more control over Herald and Dragon early on; because if I'm winning lane, and push up to enemy tower, what else is there for me to do? Sure, I could back to base and buy, but why not try to steal dragon with bot and jungler, or steam a camp from the enemy jungler? I think it'd give more pressure on the enemy jungler, but most people don't think about that; they're just so stuck on what is meta or the norm.
All-in-all though, to me, the playerbase makes up the game, and if majority of that playerbase is toxic, tilted, trash; then to me, the game is that as well.
I started playing in 2010 and thought it was a ton of fun watching my friend playing Lee Sin with his shorts and long hair skin, making ninja noises, and I was into it.
Never been out of bronze, I go on lose streaks like crazy, and I'm still really bad at the game, and have played less than 500 hours in the 12 years since I started.
But man. It always feels like I'm playing at the worst times, right after big changes. This durability update seems like it just made already durable champions unkillable, and squishy champions.. slightly less squishy. Watching an Illaoi one-shot half my team and go from nearly 0 to 100% HP in one attack is mind-blowing, and incredibly frustrating. Watching a Yorick faceroll his keyboard through every single top tower before 20 minutes because he bought Hullbreaker is incredibly frustrating. Watching my LP going down as much as it goes up in two games, is incredibly frustrating. Never once seeing the promos to silver screen, is incredibly frustrating.
And that's what this game has become for me, and I suppose what it has been for a long time now. Incredibly frustrating. But, I still play, because I'm a masochist.
I might be able to help you. Could I see your profile?
but why do you complain if you don't tryhard? You are stuck in bronze because you don't give a shit and that's perfectly fine 🤷🏽♂️
Bro asol is such a tragic champ, one of the top picks for design, but reworked once, cut the playerbase in half and now a full rework :))))) I love my dragon boi and I love his design so thank for just taking that away riot really appreciate that one :))))
Also I agree the game is good rn, I really enjoy it rn
I like promos actually vs some magic unknown MMR that promotes you when it sees fit. Back in season 1 of SC2 there was no promos in SC2. I was hardstuck Plat 1 rank 1 and I didn't know why. I was constantly matched with Diamond5 and winning 60% of games, matching D4 and winning 25% of games and yet I was still stuck in Plat 1. It got to the point where I was no longer playing with ANY Plat players and all my matches were low diamond but I was still in Plat 1 rank 1. I just gave up playing that game because it was no fun playing with diamond players as plat and there was no signs of progression other than mid diamond was stomping me less. With promos at least I know where I stand.
there was only d1-3 in sc2 and same for every rank but yeah
The solution is so simple. If a person gets caught inting (REAL inting, not just a bad game; for example, they recorded the inter, or multiple games getting 0/10/0) just get him a 1 day ban, if he insists anywhere between a month after the ban, you get it up to 3 days ban, next 10, 15 and perma. But DO SOMETHING, (getting some false-positives? Just let the players explains themselfs and unbanned them, right now if you get banned you are doomed 99% of the time no matter what you show).
Sure, this has flaws and there are better ways, but the feeling of "They are probably sooo not getting banned" is a pain in the ass...
This is why I switched to wild rift.
For those whom don't know, there is still trolling. But if you go afk in ranked 3 times, you get a 1 week ban. The games are twice as shorter so even if you face a troll, it's easier to get past it. Plus if you have good game knowledge from main game, you can get diamond
Riot would never decimate their player base to get rid of toxicity. They'll give warnings and short-term bans to convince people to stop but will ultimately do very little.
Player base numbers look great to investors and the toxic people still buy skins/battle passes/etc. I'm sure there are other factors I haven't thought of.
As much as I would love for Riot to take this issue seriously and finally resolve it, I don't believe it will ever happen.
I really like the game after the durability update - the points Exil adressed in the video are good though. Especially queuetimes and griefers.
that is why low elo is so cool to play in.
many ppl there don´t care about the meta and u will run into a pick with a specific build you have never seen
before and sometimes get shit on :)
I wonder if removing the MMR system would work to battle toxicity. It's a weird idea IK but if a person's MMR was no longer treated like the holy grail, and instead received a set amount of LP for a win or loss, I feel it could go a long way to changing the outlook on how often dodges happen, because of how players will dodge to protect their MMR. Or people queueing up tilted out of their socks could potentially happen less because you could no longer brush off a loss like you can now, with MMR allowing players to gain 20 LP a win and only 11 or so with a loss.
IDK of a worse feeling than getting a 10-12 LP increase with a 18-20 LP decrease. Maybe I'm completely wrong, just a thought.
nah i think your spot on and more over the fact people will literally create new accounts because they have a fresh mmr in order to climb kinda says it all
I remember back in the days when I could play urf and everyone had fun playing together, chatting, and messing around. Nowadays, people take fun gamemodes like urf too seriously and would play like it's ranked and get mad at each other.
It's hard to have fun unless you play with friends now.
Same with aram
RGMs are sweatier than ranked nowadays, it's actually pretty funny.
I also think league is solid right now.
gameplay wise I think the same. but the behaviour of players is at an all time low
Until you play ranked and see how fucking aids it is
@@rot1010 . Riot can't fix players and making autoban system for soft inting is inposible soft inting and being bad is pretty much the same specially true for mid and low ladder
I used to get to promos and stop playing the game entirely. My friends used to grind the game and can't hit plat meanwhile i'm Gold 1 promos 2W's and 2L's and stop. They'd get so mad because I could climb so easily but to me, I've lost any competitive motivation to grind this game and it isn't worth it. From plat 2 and above gets the most toxic, there have been so many games where ppl would stop trying to play the game if you didn't do one thing right such as miss a stun or take a kill from ignite. Every game isn't about being competitive anymore, its about who can I mentally fuck over for my enjoyment and these ppl need to be permanently banned. I want to say its the game but its really the people.
The other day I typed "Thanks for the leash, ****head" when we stole drag from a jungler who camped me (basically the only thing I'd said all game), and now literally anytime I say anything at all in game chat I get my eternals and challenge progress revoked for toxic behaviour--even if it's "No big deal, we got this" type talk.
Guess I should stop saying bad words (which are language-filtered for anyone who doesn't want to hear them) and start chain-inting instead.
Jokes on you I got an account permabanned by simply calling people evan and riley constantly
Yesterday my friend who is D3 left the game for good, over exactly what you said! constant trolls, no IP ban. and also no ban on bought or sold accounts, I don't know about other servers but Eu west is full of trolls, as someone who returned to the game after 2 years about a month ago, I'm shocked to see how bad things are now.
League is probably the best its been in years
The game is only as good as the players think it is.
I'm pretty sure that most players disagree with this statement of yours, me included.
I think the game is great too and their is a lot of unique playstyles and champions to play. My biggest problem with league is the long wait time for rank games, promos taking forever if you don't play all day, and inting not getting punished. The gameplay is fun but the system outside the gameplay could use improvements.
Doublelift has got the final point to a tea. I used to hang out with people who mocked me for still playing a game after a year, because it's "dead" and that we should move on.
Hell, I got roasted in high school for still playing black ops back when MW3 was out.
I think rather than IP banning people, RIOT should implement a flag on an IP who has been previously punished that makes it increasingly easy for them to be punished if they continue to be a terrible teammate. I think this would reduce false positives.
A problem with IPs is that more than 1 person could use the same computer to play. Places like PC cafes could have thousands of different players use the same machines. In this case, an IP related punishment system would have a significantly negative impact. Also, the majority of leagues player base comes from Asia, where PC cafes are extremely popular.
As a side note, it's really easy to change your IP address too.
@@BrianW124 True! Perhaps make it NA dependent since we rarely use internet Cafe's? NA is the region that is dying. I haven't seen evidence that League is dying in Asia.
I keep saying it, the issues with Riot started to appear when tencent bought them. In fact every game tencent buys ends up dying fast due to the same issues.
I think one of the best solutions that Riot could implement is a CASUAL game mode. Something where you can't be completely stuck inside a match if you suddenly need to leave or if you aren't having fun in the match. Somewhere people don't take it too seriously. Even regular normal matches people take it as seriously as ranked! I'm a try hard diamond but I like to play normals with friends to have fun. But, people take it too seriously and riot encourages that. By not being able to leave the match without getting punished, you create this motive that your match absolutely matters. It's practically the same thing as ranked just without LP, so it only effects toxicity by a few percentages... I feel like ARAM also suffers from the same issue. I think the "casual" game mode should be something like CS:GO casual lobbies. Something you can leave at any time and have someone else take your place. Something that doesn't feel like a commitment. Something that allows you to play the game however much you want. Something that allows you to try as hard as you want without it actually mattering at all. No match history, no constraints, nothing. Just playing.
The problem is that there's no way to create a true "casual" experience like fps games. Most fps games have a deathmatch mode that doesn't care how many people there are, so you quit the game it's whatever. And if the game has a round system like csgo and R6, you can just replace the quiting player next round, so thats even better. None of this works in league because the nature of roles/champs/gold/exp/map doesn't allow players to join in the middle of a game "comfortably", and there's no "reset" like a round system to fill players in. So Riot would have to create a new gamemode from ground up JUST to have a mode where you can quit. And that it's definitely not worth the effort, considering that full casual players already play Aram. Also, the "tryhards in unranked" are not necessarily Riots fault, its mainly on the players, so adding a new gamemode would just move the problem, not remove it.
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd Yeah, just imagine an ARAM gamemode where you can change champ and have infinite gold and you can leave at any time and have someone else take over.
Here's the problem with this game. At this point, if you've played for 12 seasons, like me for example, you already know the game inside out. The problem is when you're in ranked and you see people that don't know what they're doing and they ruin the match for a player like me. Now the thing is, most people will not be like me and they'll instantly turn toxic on the newer player. I get inters every single match and it's infuriating, but I don't turn toxic on them second one, not unless they intentionally run it down or they're extremely bad for their current ranking.
The problem is that this game's ranked system doesn't properly separate good players from bad players because of how it's designed. The system is made to hold you down and not everyone can play for 12 hours a day to get out of the win,win,loss,loss loop. It doesn't matter how good you are if 4 of your teammates are feeding and this has happened to me every single match this year.
If it's a new account, you should start iron. If it's not a new account, but you've been to gold, start gold. If you've been to diamond, play a few games with diamond players and the system should know if you deserve diamond or not based on your kda, cs, tower damage,etc., stats combined.
Then there's the other problem: Champion balance and design. It's atrocious, the newer champions in the games are extremely obnoxious by design, they have massively overloaded kits compared to older champs. Let's take Udyr for example, even after the rework, he still feels BAD. I've been playing Udyr for years and I was expecting a proper rework, instead they... I don't even know man, they made him feel worse to play, at least for me, but they made his kit overall stronger.
Also, we have items, don't get me started on Death's Dance, The Collector, Zhonya's and many others... AND true damage, remove it from the game already, it's ruining it. Also nerf % armor penetration and %hp damage, it's stupid and makes tanks be unable to play their role properly at some point in the game. I mean 400 Armor 4K+ HP into full AD teams and you can't tank more than 3-5 seconds? Brother that's absurd, there was a time when a tank could tank up to a minute, that was good and how tanks should be, low damage and massive TANK potential. But now instead, we get massive damage on tanks and much lower tank potential. Now let's take my current favorite champion, Kayle, she's extremely weak early game unless you're into certain matchups where you can win level 1, and scales pretty nicely with items until level 11, she's actually pretty balanced, but the problem is exactly that, she is balanced compared to the rest, she gets blown up in seconds before she can do anything most of the time. She was a really support champion until they nerfed heal and shield power, now she's even weaker on a role she was not really supposed to be on but people were making it work before that nerf to the items. Game feels bad from all points of view, the damage is just absurd nowadays.
Then we have hitboxes. Blitz Q, Jinx W, Thresh Q, Nautilus Q, Jhin E, they're all good hitboxesm but their actual abilities are dislocated from it and hit you when they CLEARLY MISS, they just snap onto you.
Then there's the problem of "loss mitigated -8LP" ... brother... why is a mitigated loss not -0 LP instead !?
What this game needs is season 3 back, champions weren't massively overloaded and the champions that were overloaded were not many; the ranked system felt much better as well at the time.
At this point I just play the game because of nostalgia, I'm still obviously massively addicted after 12 years of playing it, but I'm really just waiting for the Riot MMORPG and fighting game they're making xD
So basically the biggest problem with league is that it relies on the assumption that your teammates are all playing at their best, all trying to win, and all agreeing to work together. Then, in the event that this assumption is not true, the league system is not equipped to deal with situations where there is intentional hostage holding, griefing, and toxicity, because they need to leave room for freedom of choice in how people want to play the game. The thing is, many other games also face this problem, just to a lesser degree due to their game design. For example, Fortnite which is more focused around solo play and performance. What compounds the issue with league is that it also feels like they removed a lot of agency from the game. The old adage of "just be good enough to carry" doesn't really apply anymore. In fact, there are instances where even challenger and pro players can't carry griefers in a silver game. The real question for all the game designers out there is how do you fix a problem like this?
The main problem in my opinion is the griefers and leavers. I have never cared about people flaming me. Like mentioned there is a mute button. But people continuously leave games and the only penalty they get is saying they agree to not do it again and then they continue to do it. There is no punishment. The amount of people that either leave after dying once or griefers after a death is so large. I have been playing since season 1 and honestly it's not fun anymore. I only get a few hours a week to game now and there is always someone ruining at least one game. If it's my first game in a while I just quit again and take another leave for another game.
Reason that i play very little or not at all, its no feel of progress, its pain to win lane almost every game, but to have 0-10 bot lane in 15 min and lose game... , not to mention perfect jungle games, you know when you clear, gank all the time, collect dragons and heralds and still lose// and how i gank 3 times top, and player still lose lane, e p i c ... so when i lose 1 game i have to win 2 in order for something to happen, that its 90 min for maybe progress, so even if you played best game ever, you get little or no reward, that its only problem with game
Game is too “teamplay” heavy so now once your teammate is 0/4 you give up and run it down cause you know it s gonna be a 4v5 game and you still lose 21 lp regardless of how well you do . They need to change LP/ELO rating if they want people stopping running it down every 2 games
Will riot need to eventually put in a champion rotation where only 60% of champs are available for a patch or two and then it rotates so that too many champs aren’t available and it switches up the meta. Or will they just need to increase the number of bans that each player gets
They wouldn't do either and neither makes sense to do. You could play the game with 0 bans and the game won't feel any different than it is with bans. Because there are many champs that do the same thing. Sure you can ban yuumi every game but the game is t much different if ur opponent picks sona Lulu soraka. You can ban zeri but jinx ashe kog maw do very similar things. I recommend playing where you ban no one the game won't feel any different. Doubling bans just removes content from players and makes the game less diverse same with restricting champion pools the game becomes less fun for everyone imo
One thing I disagree with is promotions. Promotions may be frustrating at times, but they encourage a player to try their best to win. This is something that is definitely lacking over the last 5 years. Most people treat ranked like normals.
I understand it is bad when you get trolls in your promotions. Therfore riot should matchmake people with others in promotion as often as possible, to give the best gameplay experience and sence of accomplishment.
They also need to find more thematical ways of separating normal games from ranked.
One way of making this happen would be to change the appearance and bring back the old ranked select music. Many of the community agree that this music is fantastic. The music was allegedly removed because it made casuals nervous. This is a good thing. You should feel that ranked is different going into it, so you try your best and are not too relaxed that you want to play yummi mid, or full ap ashe to waste another players time.
There are many more ways of solving these issues, but the couple I have mentioned, should be a good start.
If you read all of this, you are a legend. 🙌
I really like how shit this game has become, I've started in 2010 and quitted in 2015, came back in 2020.
Last month i had a "cool" game in which we had enemy team 5man premade who:
-racism, homophobia, death threats, ddos and doxxing (after game)
I wrote, keep in mind that was everything that I wrote in this game "Dont be an idiot, dont chat with em" and post game "mundo"
In this game I got 14 day ban and that was my first ban, best part, no one else got banned, even though I wrote a ticket about my ban and questioning why no one was banned, no proper response besides unappealable.
Also if you get banned, a new lvl 30 acc can be bought for a whole 1$ or less on any server
What this game needs and will fix it for more and make it more fun. Is simply more maps to play on. It gets tiring playing on the same map over and over. You can keep one map for ranked but for normal que I see no reason not to have multipole maps in the game.
thats stupid. there were 3 more maps and people didnt play them . people want to play LEAGUE not random maps etc
@@Tetrathegod When was this? I have been playing for 2 years and I havent seen anything?
gotta say, recently i did "rage quit" a game of league ranked, it was flex full team, halfway through the game ish, for some reason my PC (11th gen i7 8 core hyper-threading, rtx 3080) gave me 10 fps instead of staying at 144. so the "rage quit" that i did was literally force shut down my pc and restart, got back into the game, it fixed the problem. why do i say this? because i believe that if communicated that you have issues that you normally dont have at all with your almost brand new computer, its basically one time off and shouldn't really be harshly punished if punished at all. sadly a lot of people I've had that discussion with say don't play ever if that is even a slight possibility can happen, so i say then, should no person ever play? because it can happen to everyone at any time. those that dont even communicate and do actual rage quit often i do agree should be punished more than what riot and other developers dont do.
HARD STUCK SINCE 2018 IN IRON 2 got iron 1 a day ago and then i thought i was finaly going to bronze but i went back to iron 2
For seasons I don't understand why there is not more type of punishment for players who are inting and ruining games. The general argument is that everybody can have bad games, lose streak, bad day, etc not a reason to lose account over it undermining hunder-thousand hours of play times. But why act like permanent banning is the only solution. Disabling ranked queue for these players, normal queue, for a short period, x days 2 weeeks etc. They can still play with friends, or ARAM, or other game modes, but preventing from ruining ranked.
Call of Duty Cold War had this issue, casual matchmaking had SBMM and you would probably see >80% of the lobby using the exact same load out because it was perceived as “optimal” (and sometimes it definitely felt like it was in a league of its own)
Yuumi is my favorite champ (the character not the champion design. She is just too cute to delete!) and TBH I wouldn't mind them reworking her so that she can only be attached to a champion for a limited time. Maybe make her attach be her ultimate and have it last for like 6-7-8 seconds and have a 60 down to 50ish second cooldown. Then her normal abilities can be changed a bit like making her heal into a small aoe that is buffed in range and power when attached and her Q would be the same as her current attached Q, but only have the slow when she is attached (maybe buff up the duration of the slow too since it is only there when attached). Then maybe put her current ult on her W but narrow it to like a sona ult size and only give her 4 waves so you actually have to position when using it and when attached, it widens and gets more waves. Her general stats would have to be buffed a little as compensation. Her move speed should be buffed to 345, her health should be increased slightly, and mana per level should also be increased a little. Boom, Yuumi is fixed!
How League should be developed:
* Remove most of the useless champions.
* Focus on bug fixes
* Improve those few champions, and other QOL
* Listen to community and update most requested
* Add popular game modes more frequently.
No to all except last bullet
There's a host of issues removing champions, even reworks are really harmful to the community.
Their Ban/QA/Player Discipline team probably needs to be either overhauled or increased in size
i dont like the rigged matchmaking games hardly feel close, one game every lane is hard inting and nothing can be done even tho i tried my best, other games i get carried without hardly doing anything and it makes me feel like my skill don't matter and makes me confused what my true skill really is
dude true, the old game was outrageous. I played evelyn a lot and i could kill almost any champ before her stun was finished with a full build
2:05 in dota 2 is so hard that makes the game always have room to improve but for the new players it is soo hard to enjoy