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The Sirehound Theory | (Moss, Oatchi, and Sirehound Pikmin Theory) Onion Theory Pt. 3
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2023
- The Sirehound Theory is Part 3 of The Onion Theory, and is here to explain the Sirehound, Moss, and Oatchi from Pikmin 4.
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we also cannot prove that the dna recovered from the collar is current dna or samples left behind from before 'leafification'
True.
Maybe Pikminification has to be done by the onions directly to captains because the suit keeps out the Pikmin's usual way of turning other species into leaflings. Oatchi is rubbing shoulders with the Pikmin meanwhile the captain's suits keep even Oxygen out.
i had a theory that the sire-hound was owned by the sage leaf due to them both being very old, maybe the sage leaf is aral.
That would be awesome
I like to imagine once the rescue corp leaves, sage leaf, moss, and the sire-hound live their lives together, having a trio captain dynamic (perhaps dlc or hell Pikmin 5's plot)
That’s so cool Great theory I love it❤
The size difference is my only gripe with that
@@berkeleycreager3601 If the Sage was Aral, I'd assume they'd be bigger due to evolution, as the Sirehound is very large.
One thing you kinda flubbed on, but admittedly I'm not too sure how much of an impact it has on the theory: Erma is only the 99th captain. You tacked on an extra 9 and implied a far larger generational gap than there actually is.
Oh gosh, good catch. I think the actual time doesn't impact the theory too much, but it's worth noting. Thanks!
Alternatively to being born from an Onion, Moss could simply be a different branch of the Sirehound's family that came about after it got leafified and thus passed the Pikmin dna down to her.
Maybe, but there would have to be a species still surviving, and something capable of reproducing with a leading sirehound. If Moss is unique (which she seems to be) then idk if we can call it evolution either. But idk.
@VarietyTelevision well we have only seen a very small part of the planet. It is possible there are others out there that all descend from the Sirehound. Moss could be the only one who lives in that area.
@@StonedHunter I think that's a good prediction for future games. If the Oatchi thing worked, and Nintendo sticks with it, I think we can be sure to see more leaf dogs in the future.
@@VarietyTelevision If pikmin can take dna and create something, and the sirehound has fur, why couldn't they just take dna from that and make Moss?
@lithoplanemasters6522 I absolutely believe it's possible. If they can, in fact, take DNA, then Moss could be just made from the Onion.
My question is if the Ancient Sirehound was left by the original humans, then why does it have only 2 legs, have no nose and have other distinct characteristics similar to other space dogs / a lot of other Pikmin creatures in general? Shouldn’t the Sirehound just look like a normal dog if this were the case?
Probably, but we don't know what stage of evolution dogs or people were in when they left. We see a picture of dogs, but that could be extremely old, and we never see humans.
I haven't seen anyone else being this up yet, but I think we should be questioning whats going on with Sparklium. Its become imbued into a widespread amount of the objects on this planet and we know it can be found in creatures as well. Perhaps Sparklium was created as a byproduct of the incident that caused everyone to leave and it's preserved/mutated the organisms that remained. If Sparklium has preservative qualities it would go a long way to explain why this world is so old, but also so pristine.
Nice point! I'm a much older video, a user and myself discussed the possibility of Sparklium being directly related to the radiation. We theorized that Sparklium could likely be leftover fallout and radiation, hence why it's in and on almost everything. However, I haven't seem it proposed that Sparklium could be the source of preservation, that's a really cool idea.
i wasn't satisfied with your answer as to why the cure worked but I have an answer that does
all we need is DNA from a non leafling dog they don't get the DNA from the sirehound they get it from the collar the collar the dog would have worn back when it's masters were still around a collar that was definitely not washed properly in other words that collar has DNA from the entirety of the dogs life not just when it was pikminified
Would need to reread piklopedia entries but I'm curious if the bulbmin, the never seen parasitic Pikmin, and the onion influence, could have some sort of connection.
Yeah True. The Rock Pikmin and Ice Pikmin Are Also Said to be Some Type of Parasitic Pikmin Also.
wouldn't it be more sensible to asume that the sire hound's SPECIES is the common ancestor of the rescue pups and moss
Yes, that's essentially what I meant, that whatever type of dog the sirehound is went on to be the type of rescue pups we see today. Since the shepherds have always had that type of dog, we can assume that at some point in time, that's what they were.
Interesting theory, but I feel like attributing everything to the Onions being weird doesn’t answer a lot of questions. The final element feels less Glow Pikmin and more “death” to me. Plus, it doesn’t consider the environmental influences the Pikmin themselves probably evolved to get their Onion colors in the first place. Whatever elemental focus is definitely connected to the Pikmin and Onions, but I get the impression they’re not innate to them. Pikmin are creatures, so they’re a result of their surroundings. There could even be some flip of that, as we know rescue pups are innately good at commanding Pikmin, perhaps Pikmin developed after the Sirehound was abandoned, as the log entries don’t mention Pikmin existing on the planet beforehand. Either way something about how the Sirehound uses elements feels different from other creatures, a lot more conjured up like magic, and I’m not quite sure what to make of it. My man can fly. I feel like this could make him the source of all the creatures being divided up into elements, or at least a precursor, and whatever happened on the planet affected him the most. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he’s snacked on some glow sap and weird stuff has happened because of it.
My theory is that Olimar was wrong about Moss, and that moss is actually the Sage Leaf's ex-Rescue Pup
I proposed that in an older video, and I still think it's a solid possibility. People tend to get upset when you say Olimar is wrong, lol.
considering that endosymboisis is a thing, with there being so much evidence of it being how eukoryates evolved, leafification via something more subtle/passive makes sense.
I half expected you to say this dog is the ancestor of onions and flea like creatures on similar dogs became the first pikmin.
I make crazy theories, but that one's a bit *too* crazy xD
@@VarietyTelevision it is crazy but the origin of onions is a confusing mess like it isn’t even clear how natural they even are though it is hinted they’re related to both the mamuta and the candypops which could be seen in how the smoky proggs which are related to them and have a similar power to sirehound
That one confusing thing Olimar said mentions feeding a mamutah glow pikmin maybe the origin of pikmin is related to these clearly energy based life forms interacting with various species on the planet causing them to change in bizarre ways.
If the Sirehound was a leafling, they would have noticed and they would have said something in the Piklopedia about it. The simple fact is, the Sirehound is NOT a leafified creature, and they literally say so. Its fur is fur, not leaves. It doesn't have a leaf tail. The cure doesn't work with leafified creature DNA. We don't know why it can channel elemental abilities, but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Pikmin or the Onions, since there are plenty of creatures on the planet that use the same elements.
From what I recall they don't directly say it isn't. They assume so, however. The reason I called out the legs of the onion was because of the fact that they are made of hair. Simply put, nobody ever tested the extents of what could be done with a cure, they only made assumptions which turned out to work. That doesn't mean every detail they guessed was correct, though. Reading through all the dialogue about it, it's pretty clear Oatchi's cure was almost completely winged.
@@VarietyTelevision Fair enough. From the perspective of it being a game though, I don't think the creators intended for the Sirehound to be seen as a leafified creature.
The final phase isnt glow though, I understand why it can be due to its fur color but its probably just green because its the same color family as the smokey progg, green. Also glows die to the fog like element. also there is no glow onion, the lumiknoll is probably a different family due to it have ??? like the glow pikmin under the family section
I disagree, see part 2 of the onion theory, The Glow Theory. I think they are pikmin, but represent opposites. Gloom kills everything but enemies, making their 'immunity' opposite as well. The element tied to their type kills them instead, the opposite. The other stuff I address in the other video, and the Sirehounds Glow Form also floats like a Glow Pikmin. It Glows green, the Progg is a dark green, and it drags across the ground rather than floats.
float isnt the right word to use, floating is typically used like in water or in outer space so the right word would be flying. The ancient sirehound flies and the glows flies and winged obviously. also about the leafing color representing a pikmin type is a bit odd. You said leafings can be either red, yellow, blue, green, pink, white, or purple. first of all there is no yellow, its red, orange, blue, green, pink, purple and white. but also where are the leafings for rocks (black) and ice (cyan) and ig yellow for yellow pikmin. But its just a theory, a game th- I wont do it lmao@@VarietyTelevision
I thought about something that might help the onion theory, in the beginning oatchi is scared of the pikmin but later becomes very friendly to them. But what if instead of just warming up to them what if the onion influenced oatchis mind to become friendly as unlike the more advanced aliens like olimar who could resist these thoughts oatchis mind is less advanced so it could be more easily influenced?
when you mentioned approx 40k years ago, i actually think about the leafling sage being their original and real owner instead.
on the mention of embodying glow pikmin im also thinking what if since they took in both onion exposure and glows it ended up cancelling each other out and ended up with the dog getting both powers but none of the leaf? since the glow also cured leaflings in first place
I have a theory that a mass extinction event happened and after the onion went dormant, which after a pikmin extinction the onion shoots out one Pikmin seedling, and there being no more pikmin on the surface after the mass extinction event that made the onion dormant, when is reactivated it of course it's shoots out seedling.
What if the sirehound was a genetically modified dog? From humans I mean. We already have the capacity to do limited genetic modification in real life, so this isn't a stretch. If the sirehound was a test subject for experimentation, and over time people made onions using that knowledge, would make sense imo. Onions seem to be indestructible, at the very least unable to break via any known means, and they seem to be more specialized. The sirehound has a lot of strong abilities, but the onions only make creatures that are resistant to said abilites (or just have it built in like the poison pikmin). He also doesn't really seem to be killable, especially since he just kinda walks away after an intense battle with seemingly zero damage done to him. More like he was walking away from flies bothering him.
If the sirehound was an original creation though, could imply that dna overrode the leafling, making oachi independent and maybe develop those powers in the future. So he's not actually cured, he just doesn't need to rely on a signal like the onions to function anymore, and it hides the infection since it isn't that far from his normal self. It's an interesting thought and I can't remember if it was you or someone else who thought of it, but one can make a decent argument for pikmin being war machines from small humans.
A personal theory of mine is that the onions we use in storymode and dandori battles are different. As dandori onions are different in many ways, such as having pikmin be withdrawn from the onion instead of being shot out as seeds and the whole case with the gaint bomb rock. Those onions even house many different pikmin species while looking the same to each other, because of these leafings' ,for a lack of a better word, hair are the color as their hair pre-leafication. Plus, Olimar's color is because he was taken to a normal onion and became red because he was brought to the onion by red pikmin. Of course a theory of mine.
The whole dandori stuff feels more like a simulation that they somehow made in universe. Kind of like mock battles one wouldn't use real threats to do it. The onions may already have the pikmin necessary for the test, and of course when you do the test they just pop out the amount for the test somehow.
lets go another variety television episode
Something I think about with the pikmin series is Arthur C Clarke quote "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", but from a reverse perspective. Everyone always tries to explain everything through scientific means, but there are plenty of things on the planet that border on supernatural/magical. This isn't a dig on your theory, but why do we need a conventional explanation for the Sirehound. Hand waving things away with magic is usually a bad explanation for things, but Pikmin 4 is filled with things the characters don't understand. The Waterwraith, the nature of the glow pikmin, how caves stop time. Even the dandori locations where Colin express he doesn't know where the player is. There's no reason fantasy and sci-fi can't exist hand in hand, Star Wars is proof of that, so maybe things on the pikmin planet are more supernatural than they're letting on.
I don't think the sire hound is leafafied, other than it having these supernatural abilities there's really no evidence for that and it wouldn't be the first creature to have supernatural abilities, there are other creatures with lightning and ice and fire powers, and the glow abilities it shares with the Smoky prog. It could have gotten these Powers just from being some kind of ancient immortal life-form. This is the same series that has golden creatures made of plasma that are implied to be extra-dimensional, we don't really need that in depth of the reason for a dog to have super powers.
Thanks for your input!
I've never seen a sovereign bulblax re fight go THAT bad
XD I'm a theorist, not a pro-gamer. I can safely assume nobody is here for the gameplay.
Game boys and DS battery last wayyy too long like I swear I turn my DS off for like 2 years and it’s in red when I turn it on
They do be lasting forever.
Nah, the Sirehound IS leaves. Also, my first reaction is that it was a giant moss or moss relative. Or just a mutated moss xD
I disagree with the base premise of this theory, that because the Sirehound has elemental abilities and changes colours to match them, it is related to pikmin.
Nearly all creatures with elemental affinities on PNF-404 present colouration indicative of their element (blowhogs and dweevils being a great example across families), so the idea the sirehound changing colour somehow makes it related to Pikmin seems far fetched, especially when on of it's elements is gloom a substance so toxic that no pikmin type can resist it.
I find it more likely that whatever disaster affected PNF-404 and forced it's evacuation was what caused both the weird temporal/spacial effects on the planet and what brought on appearance of so many elemental creatures (and maybe the evolution of the half-plant and half-fungi species too), the Sirehound being on ground zero of the disaster got hit hard and inherited a lot of qualities, they also lucked out in finding an environment to survive in that's relatively out of sync temporally with the surface potentially letting it live longer
That fact alone isn't the base premise, I stated that that detail was made me start looking into it. The Onions posses the ability to pass on traits, and changing colors isn't the only connection I made. Of course, it's perfectly fine to disagree, I just wanted to clarify the premise a little.
@@VarietyTelevision The problem is the only detail you mentioned that is onion specific is the yellow tail (which on it's own doesn't hold much weight), as I mentioned in my original comment, the coloration is shared with almost all elemental creatures on PNF-404, so ascribing stuff like this to the onion and not regular adaptation feels like it diminishes the idea of the Pikmin word as an actual evolved one and that 90% of creatures are just the onions doing unethical science
@thepbrit No, I disagree. A lot of natural evolution has happened, but the Sirehound is 1 organism. Evolution happens over generations, and that's the same dog, but old. The coloration is something that other creatures have, sure, but none of them have more than 1 or change color on the fly. There is no icy and fiery blowhog that shifts at will, it's either one or the other. The yellow tail, main body changing colors at will, as well as representing specific types wr know of is the reason I think that. Whether or not you think Gloom is related to Glows is up to you, however.
Welp it looks like pikmin really are bugsnax
My obe issue is that the sirehound being a common ancestor doesn't mean the specific creature is the ancestor, but rather its species contains the ancestor.
That's very true, that's why I said that the Sirehkund was a common ancestor. My point for calling out that it was specifically left behind was simply because it has a collar, and we know for a fact that the breed eventually becomes rescue pups. That means that rescue pups very likely looked like the Sirehound.
The Sheperd family is 99 generations old not 999
Yeah, I flubbed up.
I think it is still possible for Moss to be related to the Sirehound.
If the Sirehound is indeed more like an onion than a Pikmin, then it's offspring wouldn't be more Sirehounds, it would be more Pikmin. But like how the Onion produces spindly plant-like Pikmin to match itself, Sirehound would produce Pikmin similar to itself too, like Moss.
We also know that Pikmin ultimately want to find leaders, but all the Onion can create is Pikmin. Leafling leaders require Pikmin to find a third party to take in first. What if Sirehound is an evolution of the Onion that found a way to create leaders like they normally create Pikmin by integrating into the space dogs, as they can naturally command Pikmin. That would explain how Moss would be related to Sirehound, why she commands Pikmin, and how this all ties into the idea of Onion and Pikmin DNA integration.
True, but how is the Sirehound having babies?
@@VarietyTelevision Well, if Sirehound is like an onion, then I would presume asexually by planting Pikmin space dog seeds into the ground somehow, since Moss was born with a leaf tail.
Even if we don't know the specific process, we still know for a fact that Moss had to have been born from something special that can produce Pikmin dog sprouts either way.
So just Moss's existence implies the existence of either a space dog leafling type regular onion, or a space dog leafling parent of some sort. Since Moss is considered a Leafling of an existing species and not a Pikmin, then the Onion isn't capable of making Moss without the space dogs as a third party. This makes the latter sound more likely to me
@sashaelekes2474 That's why proposed the connection between the Winged Pikmin entry. This entry proposes that Onions are capable of taking DNA (The Sirehound's) and passing it on to it's Pikmin. I think there is an Onion full of Sirehound DNA that was capable of producing at the very least, 1 Leaf-Dog in Moss. That's why the fur colors match, and how she was born with Pikmin and Dog DNA, the Onions are capable of that. That's my theory at least, but either could be true.
@@VarietyTelevision Even Flying Pikmin still possess all the common traits of every other type of Pikmin. Tiny, a single defining feature and colour, and not intelligent enough to lead itself. It would seem that even when attempting to copy other animals, all it can do is copy single traits and apply them to the basic idea of Pikmin, like it's using it's own planty DNA as a template to barely mimic animals. Moss doesn't apply to this, as it is said her DNA is almost a complete match to Oatchies, which is seemingly why even though she is born a leafling, she is still not called a Pikmin. So either a space dog onion has perfected the ability to replicate animals to 99.9 accuracy, or Moss is somehow a result of leafification modifying an existing species.
Perhaps this is another reason Leafification exists. If the Onion is only capable of modifying it's own offspring to a limited degree, then the way of evolving the Onion would be to modify other creatures that can reproduce so that they may produce new variations of Pikmin, such as Moss.
7:14 why would you do that to the breadbug?! quote balrog aint happi
Sorry, Louie needed it for soup or something. He said I could have some gloves, and I *REALLY* like gloves.
Pumpkin hill vibin
You're darn right.
I have a question. Enemies are frozen by Ice Pikmin. But the rescue pups cannot be frozen. I understand the Ancient Shirehound being invincible, but the fur of Oatchi and Moss is to short not too be froze by 100 Ice Pikmin. This leads be to believe that the pups have some sort of Ice ability and were born in the cold. This means that both Oatchi and Moss might have been born in cold areas, grown some kind of invincible to Ice, and were tooken away from the cold to be a rescue pup. This also might mean Moss was not born on PNF-404 and was born a rescue pup from another planet. Or all Pups have grown invincible to cold because of The Ancient Shirehound. What do you guys think?
You can freeze moss in the house level, and you need special gear to make oatchi immune to freezing
The first phase of the sirehound uses rock.
I don't think he uses rock, rather knocks them down from the cave ceiling.
@@VarietyTelevisionwhen battling in the piklopedia it’s open sky
At the very least it's rock *themed*
The whole right has *rock* music
I think first phase is just based off of oatchi/moss' moveset
Wasn't it stated somewhere that bulborbs also share genetic similarities to Oatchi?
I'm not sure, but they definitely look similar.
What if Years they are talking about are Hocotatian Years? I mean Time is Relevant...
Possibly, we still know it's been a very long time. Much evolution has taken place across the universe.
The sire hound has purple dna its giant and can crest little earthquakes
It's possible that it has all, and we only saw a portion of its abilities. If we fight it again in DLC, then we will know for sure.
but that quality of purple pikmin is solely due to their large mass, so theoretically any large creature (such as the Sirehound) should be able to to the same
What if olimar dyed his hair brown and originally he had red hair?
We will never know
i wonder if you will make a theory about what happen to humans sense it might relate to the onions in at least one way or another
I will once I have enough pieces. I have a couple, but I don't think I have enough yet.
@@VarietyTelevision ya that makes sense considering there basickly jack of how or why there gone
@@arandomthingintheabyss2062 Exactly. One of, if not the, most intriguing mysteries in Pikmin.
@@VarietyTelevision yep and any info we do get contridicts other stuff like the geiger counter mite hint to a nuclear bomb but still looks way to put together for that im trying to think of another thing but nothing coming to mind but you get what i mean what happen to humans is basickly trying to solve a rubic cube while blind folded
@@arandomthingintheabyss2062 I still think the bomb is most likely. A large enough bomb would destroy life as we know it, especially human, and it would only take one blast. Maybe we just haven't seen ground zero?
The fact that he keeps calling it PNF-404 makes me more and more angry, because that’s not the actual planet name, it’s just a shortened version of “Planet Not Found, error 404”, not what the planet is actually called
That's what they end up naming it in 3. It is a play on the "page not found - 404" browser error, and it's name does on fact become PNF-404. It's a really quick Google search.
Why waste your breath saying the full name every time?
Like boldmin
But the glow pikmin aren't made by a onion but from the luminol and they make the stuff that returns people back to normal and they aren't even considered to be pikmin just something similar to pikmin so maybe they are like 80% pikmin d.a.n but they make the cure so how does that work!?
I'd have to point you towards my video specifically covering the Glows and why I think they are in fact Pikmin.
@@VarietyTelevision yeah but they are not from a onion so he "grabbed" there powers by the lumenol ?
@@VarietyTelevision (btw im not arguing im just asking ok? I don't want to have some how beef).
(I love your videos and im just asking 💙)
@giannatsioni1443 Well, my point in saying you should check out my other video was that I compare Lumiknolls to Onions, and propose the idea that they have many of the same abilities. They serve many of the same functions, and even though they look different, they likely do pretty much the same thing. The key difference is that one evolved to survive at night time.
So essentially, if the Onions can pass on traits, the Lumiknolls likely could as well. Especially sense the Sirehlund spends a lot of time in caves.
When is the gameplay vid?
Probably done with the P4 Let's Play, it caused a great deal of trouble for the channel. If you mean gameplay for Build A Pikmin, that's in the works.
@@VarietyTelevision ok
@@VarietyTelevision I didn't realize how much trouble it caused, but I'm glad I've supported the gameplay videos throughout the way.
@@GeloSceron And I appreciate your support! I'm sorry it had to end, but maybe when I get to a point where I have more time, I'll make a 2nd channel for gameplays.
@@VarietyTelevision Oooooo that'd be cool
If all the characters in the game or descendent from humans, why are they so much smaller? even with evolution, selecting for people to be smaller overall over the course of many generations that doesn’t explain the change from being human sized to being several millimeters tall.
Things evolve to be smaller when resources become scarce. A race of people expanding across the universe only having what they brought and manage cultivate would absolutely become smaller to compensate. Smaller organisms use fewer resources, after all. As for the things still on the planet, we see either insects which are already small, mammals which could've evolved for the same reason as the people (limited resources, people no longer farming, etc), and weird new creatures like the Pikmin, who likely exists as they are due to the relative size of other life on the planet.
To add to this comment. The koppaites subsist on juice in pikmin 3. Your average person can not just survive on juice, and even if it's a video game they could have picked any other food or any method of preparation. Like we could have been gathering more vegetables and creating healthier, more nutritious juice from that, but they subsist on fruit juice like a bug. That would be a game changer for humans. Imagine if all we had to do was drink juice to survive. Hunger probably would be solved, especially if we were all smaller too.
Pikmin don’t use the elements they represent. They are just resistant to them. Plus leafification doesn’t bestow the aspects of the pikmin into whoever was transformed. Oatchi doesn’t get any stronger or weaker when he gets leafified. Plus there are orange leaflings but no orange pikmin. Relating gloom to glow pikmin doesn’t make any sense as they have no special interactions with it whatsoever. I feel like you keep attributing every mystery in the pikmin universe to the onions but they are just another organism trying to survive on this planet just like every other one. Not masterminds controlling the fate of everything on the planet.
There are orange Pikmin, we just haven't seen them. You can see their Onion at the end of 1. Yellow Pikmin generate static in cutscenes, Ice Pikmin freeze, White Pikmin can spit poison in the shorts, etc. While the leaflings and Oatchi don't get stronger, they clearly take on Pikmin traits, like leaves and stems. The reason the Hound has more attributes is the long-term exposure. I contribute that to the Onions because they're the things that make Leaflings.
@@VarietyTelevision you say that pikmin 4 is a reboot so why would you suddenly site evidence from pikmin 1? That isn’t how reboots work, you don’t just get to pick and choose which evidence to discard and which evidence to trust. Ice pikmin inhabit ice, meaning they don’t intrinsically have that ability it’s more similar to a permanent fire starter. Yellow and white pikmin never use electricity or spit poison in gameplay which is drastically different from the sirehound. You say growing leaves and a stem are inherently pikmin-like but that isn’t true as other plant-creature hybrids exist. Like the creeping chrysanthemum. Also bold of you to assume you know how the cure works better than a literal doctor who made it.
@dsur5547 The Onion thing from the end of 1 has been consistent regardless of a reboot, we even see a green and light blue onion which I think is the glow and ice. Games can take things from other games while still being its own thing, we actually see this a lot in Pikmin 4. I also never stated I know how the cure works, I stated that it wasn't fully tested and even the doctors admitted they were guessing. As for the Ice Pikmin, the are able to keep their bodies the same temperature and never melt, this alone is proof that they can eother produce cold temperatures or ice, otherwise they would need new bodies over time. Disagreeing is fine, but I don't give my energy to people being rude about it.
@@VarietyTelevision the onion thing at the end of pikmin 1 hasn’t been consistent though. There is no glow onion. Glow pikmin use lumiknolls which act drastically different to onions including: using tunnels underground to transmit resources, immediately generating pikmin instead of planting them in the ground, being made of dirt or sand, not having a tractor beam and not being mobile. It wasn’t my intention to be rude so I’m sorry if you felt that. It just feels silly to take the ending of a game that was made several years ago in a very different era as evidence for something in a game that is blatantly saying the old game is no longer canon.
@dsur5547 While it does reboot the series, it also clearly pulls from the entire franchise. There is a green Onion in Pikmin 4s files that was cut. This was cut from a Pikmin type that went on to be the Glows, and it's pretty clear they were intended to have an Onion at one point in development. I've stated reasons for why I think they decided not to in the final game in 'The Glow Theory'. While they don't in the final game, there's still a bit of a connection there. There's also just as many similarities to the Lumiknolls and Onions as there are differences.
So, assuming the Sirehound is kind of like an onion, does it implies the balls he spits are by extent a form of pikmin? If i recall right he spits out electricity balls, fire ones etc
Maybe the hound only has the first few steps of that pikmin creating, without the ability of spitting life. So the balls are prototype pikmins lol
Interesting... I never thought of it like that.
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