Does it count as statusmove or something and you get priotity with prankster😅.... Now i get why they get caught offguard, you literally never see that move
So, speaking of Upper Hand, there was a case where my opponent was about to knock out one of my pokemons (we were doing double battles), and they told me, "you got 2 options, attack me or buff yourself". The reason is because they have sucker punch and mirror herb on their side, and both of their mons were about to double-team one of mine. But when the attacks came in, I told them that I chose option 3, and they were shocked to see Upper Hand as they didn't recall that move. I stopped their sucker punch user and KO their other mon, saving my other mon from being KO since it was on low hp
@@joshspears5257 Upperhand + Mach Punch + Focus Punch is the better one since sucker won't flinch the person using headbutt. Upperhand beats mach, mach cancels focus punch, focus punch Will land on Upperhand. It's a fun rock paper scissors you could actually do just for shits and giggles!
Actually Upper Hand can be a better move and more seeing if it had some properties For example is kind of too hard for it to not do anything if your opponent doesn't do something So i would instead make it so halves in power if your opponent doesn´t uses a priority move... with that simple change i think Upper Hand can be an amazing alternative to Mach Punch and even good Priority in non Fighting type mons
6:45 Ironically, that example of Hitmonlee using Endure+Unburden+Reversal being noted to be weak to priority is exactly why the clip you were taking that footage from has Upper Hand on its set. A 1HP Hitmonlee with an Unburden speed boost is begging to be hit by priority, but Upper Hand makes foes hesitant to click their priority once it's revealed, but if they don't use a priority move then they risk taking a full-power Reversal.
4:56 Snatch Incineroar actually won 2018 worlds,Paul ruiz used snatch on incin to copy opposing tailwind and belly drum from snorlax (which was everywhere at that time)
I think one of the not-so-apparent reasons why fake out is so good in the VGC format is that those games have considerably future turns than singles because of them being doubles and only using four pokemon in a given battle. Therefore incapacitating a pokemon for a turn has much greater consequences to the battle as each turn is so much more valuable to the outcome of the battle relative to singles.
While that is true, the bigger reason why its so good in doubles is that it limits what your opponent can do and allows you to make plays you otherwise couldn't. In singles it’s just a move that breaks focus sash/sturdy, its chip damage puts some fragile pokemon in damage ranges or wastes a turn(against weather teams ig?). In doubles in does so much more. Wanted to do a turn 1 K.O by double targeting a pokemon? Nope, one of your moms gets faked out and that chien pao survives, sets up swords dance and can knock out your full health defense invested fluttermane with sucker punch. Wanted to swords dance and trickroom? Nope, your trickroom mon flinches and your slow sword dance Landorus T dies the next turn before it gets off an earthquake/rock slide. You don't even need to click it to get value cause your opponent may play around your fake out by protecting their sash fluttermane, only for you to knock out their amoongus cause you double attacked it. Even if you're playing fast singles formats like little cup or 1v1s, the value fake out has is lower than in VGC.
@@Eroil battlebond is kinda easy to activate which is why people run it over protean sometimes. And Greninja's movepool coverage is perfect it can hit almost everything for super effective dmg
@@gavinaaric it can be simple but not always, it's really matchup dependant. In the end it's still a condition that needs to be met vs you always have it at max power. The bonus of being a multi hit move doesn't cover that gap imo
@@gavinaaric it would be 90 not 100, it's 20 for each hit, always hitting 3 times. So 20 * 3 * 1.5 = 90, which is the same as jet punch being 60 * 1.5 for stab. Also accelgor actually also has access to the move
I's rank Fake out higher than Extreme speed because it's not just" the best priority move in VGC"; it's one of the best moves in VGC, in general. Extreme speed is useful in both formats, but not meta-changing, while but Fake out is
Powder could really pop off if it got distributed more, I think at least. Completely stopping things like trick room torcoal while being able to attack with another Pokémon is kinda crazy
Exactly, with a potential increase in damage 1/3 - 1/2 max hp it would be great. Distribute it to all butterfly Pokémon and maybe also every one that gets rage powder. 25% just doesn’t seem worth it for such a prediction reliant and situational move.
@@MattBudYTgiving it to all butterflies would be cool. Giving it to rage powder mons means Amoongus gets a nice buff. Which I’m not sure is necessary haha
Powder definitely would be crazy on more Pokémon. Just completely stopping a fire attack that’s super effective? And damaging the other Pokémon at the same time? Increasing the damage would definitely make it better, because the moment you use it the opponent would avoid fire type moves while it’s out.
If doing this, I recommending also including abilities that grants immunities to a subset of moves, not just immunities based on type (e.g. sound-proof and armor tail)
9:15 btw Water Shuriken is Physical, if it were actually special then it would be more useful to Greninja Oh damn they actually did it in Scarlet and Violet whoops!
@@MattBudYT Yeah, things were rough back in the Gameboy days. The pain of raising a Gen 2 Heracross and having only reversal and Megahorn as good stab options will never leave me.
6:18 endure is extremely underrated when used with stuff like weak armor armarogue\ceruledge with beat up to give you instant x4 speed. throw on weakess policy and psychic terrain to block priority and you have an instant sweeper
vacuum wave deserves to be higher. it goes nuts on ursaluna blood moon, being one of the only few fighting moves that is a special attack and also 100% accurate. ursaluna blood moon can even use it against ghost types because of it's ability, which allows it to hit ghost types with fighting moves (meaning it hits things like gholdengo for super-effective damage)
the one thing I always liked about Water Shuriken is, since it could hit 2-5 times, was how it could be used with a King's Rock. provided Greninja was under a Sub and the enemy did not attack and/or missed via Greninja double team(the ideal scenarios granted Greninja ain't livin too long), Water Shuriken would have some decent chances to flinch even if the move itself ain't that powerful and Greninja not being that tanky. at least if it flinched the enemy multiple times this way Greninja would be doing a decent amount of chip damage or if lucky enough, secure some kills/weaken the enemy mon greatly. it still a very fun niche strat to use with it for sure even if it deff ain't foolproof 🤲 I still remember when my Greninja in X&Y flinched a Venusaur multiple times in a row with Torrent boosted Water Shuriken+King's rock. it was a moment I still recall fondly back then.
As a doubles player, the best part of ally switch is not even using it. Just knowing your opponent has it forces mind games and can make you make the wrong move and have the ally switch user do something else. And of course getting ally switched can win the game on the spot in some instances
Maybe a hot take but Powder should ACTUALLY be buffed to 75% imo. It's already extremely niche as is, and even 50% just makes it Super Fang, in superrrr situational moments. Or maybe not do 75%, but brings the opponent down to 25% health, or maybe 75% but can't ko the opponent like false swipe.
Powder would be so good on a Steel/Bug, since their only weakness is Fire and it's a x4 weakness. I've used it in Hackmons and it's a riot to have your Scizor use Powder on a Pokemon that thinks they can kill you, only to stop them in their tracks.
I think you fairly rated ally switch on the tier list. You did a good job covering why it CAN be useless or outplayed. The reason the move is hated is not because it's good but rather that it's uncompetitive. It can often just force a coin flip where getting it right is an instant win but getting it wrong is an instant loss.
"It can often just force a coin flip where getting it right is an instant win but getting it wrong is an instant loss". This sentence, like the video said, applies literally in the same way for Sucker Punch and Thunderclap. I still don't understand why it is hated the way it is. Even the counterplay to Ally Switch is a lot easier and accessible to come by (widespread moves) than it is for Sucker Punch/Thunderclap (redirection or priority blocking). There are moves way more uncompetitive with less or actual zero counterplay that get considerably less hate than this one (Surging Strikes and Wicked Blow just as an example).
Aren't the whole ordeal of competitive Pokémon is to out predict your opponent? What's the difference between using ally switch to redirect dragon damage to a fairy type and just switching out to a fairy type in general? You still waste a move technically in both situations, the only difference is that the Mons on your field is still the same.
@@catnoir4670 The main thing is to just play the game, maybe start with pre-built team and slowly understand what each Pokémon is doing until it's common sense you can also use Pokétubers to help you understand how to play, what does that move do, etc then at some point you can start to understand how to build your own team fit to your preferred playstyle However, most importantly, remember that this is a game played for fun, don't quit because you lose a lot when you start or because the RNG actively denies your wins for your entire play session that's it basically, play the game, understand it, then play the game with more knowledge
Play Pokémon rock paper scissors with Hitmonchan using focus punch, Mach punch, and upper hand Upper hand makes Mach punch flinch Mach punch makes focus punch break Focus punch ignores upper hand
20:21 out of curiosity were you ment to put the covert cloak instead of the clear amulet as I’m pretty sure the clear amulet doesn’t stop flinching I think 🤔 Over all great video loved learn about new moves and would love to see how more uncommon moves you could buff (the powder buff is perfection!)
Ally Switch used to be better because you could use it Mimikyu, who used to not take damage when it's disguise was up and had a focus sash so you couldn't two hit it. Others like Cresselia is really annoying to deal with, with how much of a wall it can be. Also your opponent could run protect so you could try to predict the switch and just double into protect / if you try to split damage, the opponent might not switch and now you just did neglible damage into both slots or into protect / wide guard could also be used if you try to play around it with spread moves. The move was also way worse in closed team sheets since you could randomly face stuff like Smeargle running Ally Switch and now your ghost move did no damage.
I would personally put Water Shuriken above all the other priority moves you mentioned in that upper tier list. Being not only a special move, but a multi hitting one at that, really makes it useful and especially viable as an attack with the addition of Loaded Dice.
I have played Pokémon competitively and played through all the Pokémon games as well as fan games and today is the first time I have ever heard of the move powder
For ally switch in gen 7 it never failed so imagine if every single turn it was coinflip at best if they used it or not. Gen 8 and onwards the move can fail in succession like protect and almost no one uses it anymore.
10:48 outplay the ally switch!? How dreadful! Matt you cant expect vgc players to have to predict and not just attack whats in front of them for once 🤢
While I didn't know where it would "rank" but Ally Switch is a menace. Just knowing your opponent has it creates huge mind games. There are less turns in doubles, so completely throwing off an opponents game plan can really swing the battle back in your favor. Yes spread moves are a thing, but if the opponent is already going for those, then you didn't need to bother picking that move. It isn't one you set a game plan around so it isn't debilitating to have.
One time I was stuck in a Dina Max Raid with NPCs. One of them was an Eevee that kept spamming Helping Hand onto the other NPC's Wabafett, which kept spamming Counter and doing nothing. The third NPC had a Magicarp that one shoted the enemy with Hydropump.
It's true that Ally Switch isn't *that* good, which arguably makes it even more infuriating cause it feels like it's just made to piss you off. It simply can create hard 50/50s more easily than other moves, which is overall worse than having a move that benefits you most of the time, but also tends to benefit the user when they're losing, so it creates a very unfun dynamic where games basically come down to coinflips more often than they're supposed to. It was especially bad when you could force multiple coinflips in a row, fortunately they applied the same protect penalty for multiple uses and it's not *too* bad now
@@bigfudge2031 Yeah, thankfully it isn't in this gen but in VGC19 it was pretty good against Kyogre and Xerneas teams and since Kyogre and Groudon were prevalent it didn't need to sorry about sand or hail
More Rock types need and a few other non-rock types. Accelerock. Rampardos(huge buff) Tyranitar Fossil Pokémon Terrakion Iron Boulder Gigalith Rhyperior Iron Thorns Tyranitar Coalossal H.Arcanine Ting-lu Minior Regirock Regigigas Deoyxs Necrozma Kleavor
Ally switch was nerfed going into Gen 9, but beforehand it was very uncompetitive. It turned every situation into a 50/50, which was made worse with dynamax and setup options. The simple solution is to taunt the opponent, but that’s not always feasible with most ally switch users having a way to block priority, have magic bounce, run mental herb, or just didn’t care. Not to mention, taunting the right slot was also a 50/50
another thing I wanted to point out is you were wrong about the Grassy Glide calc for Gen 8. Terrain boosts were nerfed in Gen 8 to be only 1.3x power, meaning Grassy Glide would’ve had a base power of 91 in Gen 8.
One last thing I wanted to mention. Why didn’t you include Protection moves on this list? There’s quite a few, and some have really good secondary effects as well.
Funny thing about Fake Out: In Gen 7, combining Ambipom with Max P. Attack investment, Technician, & Fake Out boosted by a Normal Gem(which you can find a INFINITE number of them, with one respawning every few days), you can boost the 40 BP to 60 from Technician, 90 with STAB, & 135 FROM THE NORMAL GEM. Busted.
@@MattBudYT Right? Even against Pokémon with a 4X Normal-Type Resistance(like the Aron line), it can still do fairly significant damage, to break their Sturdy! Ambipom may be in NU(in SV), but it's still my favorite Mono-Type Technician abuser.
@@ShiningSilvally I used it in my last draft league and just the threat of it’s fake out is enough to force switches and you can get a free sub off. I used this to bait a zamazenta in during playoffs to substitute/focus punch KO it😂
@@MattBudYT BRO, THAT'S FILTHY! A fast WALL, like Zamazenta being taken down by one of the most unintuitive Fighting-Type Moves?! I never use Focus Punch, and you use it against one of the most bulky Legendaries, with a Pokémon with NO STAB?! Bruh. I'm never getting into competitive, with that.
@@ShiningSilvally I had some other techs like Curse A. Marowk that did some work. Here’s the replay if you wanted to see. replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexag-2057865773-vwviypl4vnopwpb03bdiwyvanopmn7spw
If i would add protect, detect, spiky shield, string trap or whatever to the list, ill put all of them in s tier, they are staples in competitive pokemon
I wonder which would rank higher in VGC, Protect or Fake Out? I'm thinking Protect because I remember Wolfey saying that Protect is the backbone of VGC. I think it was in his video about how Urshifu is bad for the game. Fake Out is amazing, but Protect is necessary.
Likely protect for importance but hard to compare when one is universally distributed and one is less common. Like it Fake Out was available on every Pokemon it would change the game entirely on first turns. But since we know which mons run Fake Out it’s more manageable.
So bullet punch is super effective against rock, ice and fairy... The super offense glass canon types, well maybe not rock. But that coverage in a priority move is useful af
I may have missed something, but what about Zippy Zap? That’s a partner Pikachu exclusive move that has +2 priority, 50bp, and always crits. Seems like a high placement to me
ExtremeSpeed is indeed the best priority move. I was wondering if you'd put Sucker Punch in number 1, because it's also incredible. But the mind games it creates can hinder a little its usefulness.
Upper hand is good because when i use it on my mega sceptile it catches most people off guard because no one expects mega sceptile to use it it is espe beneficial for ice shard👀🔥
Follow me at 6 is probably fair since its useless in singles, but I did want to mention that its one of the all time best moves in doubles right up there with fake out. Its so good that GF really limits its distribution
If you're doing priority moves you should do (max abd gmax moves by how broken they are) [I never played SWSH only smogon so I don't know much) or (z moves by their name)
Upper hand actually sees play in VGC, it should definitely be higher, probably 1 tier up, and I would also drop ally switch down, with the change this generation to the move, it sees almost no play anymore, I have seen more Upper Hands than ally switches this gen.
Umm... I'm wondering, why didn't you put Protect and detect on the list ? They are priority moves (and great ones at that), but they don't make an appearance here ? Am I missing something ?
While Thunderclap and Jet Punch are good, I feel like the fact that they’re only on one Pokémon should make it lower. Since it’s not able to be used as much as other priority moves.
Shoutout to Fake Out + Last Resort, it always catches my opponent off guard
wait is last resort priority
@@SSJGUCCI nah
Does it count as statusmove or something and you get priotity with prankster😅.... Now i get why they get caught offguard, you literally never see that move
@ItsJustKaya no it's a super high base power move but you need to use all your other moves once first
So, speaking of Upper Hand, there was a case where my opponent was about to knock out one of my pokemons (we were doing double battles), and they told me, "you got 2 options, attack me or buff yourself". The reason is because they have sucker punch and mirror herb on their side, and both of their mons were about to double-team one of mine. But when the attacks came in, I told them that I chose option 3, and they were shocked to see Upper Hand as they didn't recall that move. I stopped their sucker punch user and KO their other mon, saving my other mon from being KO since it was on low hp
Upperhand + sucker punch + headbutt = rock paper scissors
@@joshspears5257 Upperhand + Mach Punch + Focus Punch is the better one since sucker won't flinch the person using headbutt. Upperhand beats mach, mach cancels focus punch, focus punch Will land on Upperhand. It's a fun rock paper scissors you could actually do just for shits and giggles!
Actually Upper Hand can be a better move and more seeing if it had some properties
For example is kind of too hard for it to not do anything if your opponent doesn't do something
So i would instead make it so halves in power if your opponent doesn´t uses a priority move... with that simple change i think Upper Hand can be an amazing alternative to Mach Punch and even good Priority in non Fighting type mons
6:45 Ironically, that example of Hitmonlee using Endure+Unburden+Reversal being noted to be weak to priority is exactly why the clip you were taking that footage from has Upper Hand on its set. A 1HP Hitmonlee with an Unburden speed boost is begging to be hit by priority, but Upper Hand makes foes hesitant to click their priority once it's revealed, but if they don't use a priority move then they risk taking a full-power Reversal.
Ally switch shedinja was a nightmare
4:56
Snatch Incineroar actually won 2018 worlds,Paul ruiz used snatch on incin to copy opposing tailwind and belly drum from snorlax (which was everywhere at that time)
That legit sounds terrifying.
I think one of the not-so-apparent reasons why fake out is so good in the VGC format is that those games have considerably future turns than singles because of them being doubles and only using four pokemon in a given battle. Therefore incapacitating a pokemon for a turn has much greater consequences to the battle as each turn is so much more valuable to the outcome of the battle relative to singles.
While that is true, the bigger reason why its so good in doubles is that it limits what your opponent can do and allows you to make plays you otherwise couldn't. In singles it’s just a move that breaks focus sash/sturdy, its chip damage puts some fragile pokemon in damage ranges or wastes a turn(against weather teams ig?).
In doubles in does so much more. Wanted to do a turn 1 K.O by double targeting a pokemon? Nope, one of your moms gets faked out and that chien pao survives, sets up swords dance and can knock out your full health defense invested fluttermane with sucker punch. Wanted to swords dance and trickroom? Nope, your trickroom mon flinches and your slow sword dance Landorus T dies the next turn before it gets off an earthquake/rock slide. You don't even need to click it to get value cause your opponent may play around your fake out by protecting their sash fluttermane, only for you to knock out their amoongus cause you double attacked it.
Even if you're playing fast singles formats like little cup or 1v1s, the value fake out has is lower than in VGC.
Not so apparent? That's quite literally the reason Fake Out is so popular in vgc lol.
If water shuriken wasn't nerfed in gen 9 via removing Ash Greninja it would be a way better jet punch
Not necessarily, yes multi hits are generally better but it's the same BP of 60 and you must activate battle bond to get that consistent good damage
@@Eroil battlebond is kinda easy to activate which is why people run it over protean sometimes. And Greninja's movepool coverage is perfect it can hit almost everything for super effective dmg
@@gavinaaric it can be simple but not always, it's really matchup dependant. In the end it's still a condition that needs to be met vs you always have it at max power. The bonus of being a multi hit move doesn't cover that gap imo
@@Eroil technically Battle bond shuriken his 100 max plus stab since only Greninja has access to it
@@gavinaaric it would be 90 not 100, it's 20 for each hit, always hitting 3 times. So 20 * 3 * 1.5 = 90, which is the same as jet punch being 60 * 1.5 for stab. Also accelgor actually also has access to the move
Clear Amulet doesn’t prevent flinching….
Covert Cloak does tho as it’s basically the item form of the Shield Dust ability
Negative priority moves next.
The whole time i was waiting for Pursuit, then remembered it's not actually priority...
Technically is the highest priority move in the game, but only if the target switches out
I's rank Fake out higher than Extreme speed because it's not just" the best priority move in VGC"; it's one of the best moves in VGC, in general. Extreme speed is useful in both formats, but not meta-changing, while but Fake out is
Powder could really pop off if it got distributed more, I think at least. Completely stopping things like trick room torcoal while being able to attack with another Pokémon is kinda crazy
Exactly, with a potential increase in damage 1/3 - 1/2 max hp it would be great.
Distribute it to all butterfly Pokémon and maybe also every one that gets rage powder.
25% just doesn’t seem worth it for such a prediction reliant and situational move.
@@MattBudYTgiving it to all butterflies would be cool.
Giving it to rage powder mons means Amoongus gets a nice buff. Which I’m not sure is necessary haha
it should also be set off if any fire-type move is used on that Pokemon too.
Powder definitely would be crazy on more Pokémon. Just completely stopping a fire attack that’s super effective? And damaging the other Pokémon at the same time? Increasing the damage would definitely make it better, because the moment you use it the opponent would avoid fire type moves while it’s out.
You should do a video ranking abilities that grant immunities (levitate, flash fire, storm drain, sap sipper, etc.). Keep up the good work!
Good idea! I’ll add it to the list. Thanks for watching bud❤️
If doing this, I recommending also including abilities that grants immunities to a subset of moves, not just immunities based on type (e.g. sound-proof and armor tail)
9:15 btw Water Shuriken is Physical, if it were actually special then it would be more useful to Greninja
Oh damn they actually did it in Scarlet and Violet whoops!
It was originally special when released then was changed to be special.
@@MattBudYT crazy they changed a special move to a special move
i would raise endure because it also helps with weakness policy and weak armor, which is really good and used a lot on psyspam
Sooo. I just learned that bide became a priority move in gen 4 (I haven't used it since Brock used to hand it out back in gen 1)
They really used to hand out the worst moves as reward😂
Psywave from Sabrina comes to mind too
@@MattBudYT Yeah, things were rough back in the Gameboy days. The pain of raising a Gen 2 Heracross and having only reversal and Megahorn as good stab options will never leave me.
@@nousername191 I love gen 2 so much but replaying the OG games is ROUGH
You forgot another common fast-attack user: rattata. :P
I had no idea that Bide gained priority 😂
20:20 the sprite here is the ability shield, the item that prevents secondary effects on attacks is the covert cloak.
Hope this helps :D
It’s clear amulet. Still used the wrong picture though😂
@@MattBudYT clear amulet prevents stat drops from opposing pokemon
Imagine snatching a Dragon Dance with Oricorio on the field😅
Me waiting for Zippy Zap be like:
Hitmontop be like
Yo im faster than ya regieleki
Regieleki: hah! Im over half then ya
Hitmontop used fake out
*flinches*
AHHHHH
6:18 endure is extremely underrated when used with stuff like weak armor armarogue\ceruledge with beat up to give you instant x4 speed. throw on weakess policy and psychic terrain to block priority and you have an instant sweeper
My favorite signature move is Zippy Zap. It’s one of pikachu’s signature moves and it has +2 priority 50bp and always results in a critical hit.
Busted ass move lol
vacuum wave deserves to be higher. it goes nuts on ursaluna blood moon, being one of the only few fighting moves that is a special attack and also 100% accurate. ursaluna blood moon can even use it against ghost types because of it's ability, which allows it to hit ghost types with fighting moves (meaning it hits things like gholdengo for super-effective damage)
the one thing I always liked about Water Shuriken is, since it could hit 2-5 times, was how it could be used with a King's Rock.
provided Greninja was under a Sub and the enemy did not attack and/or missed via Greninja double team(the ideal scenarios granted Greninja ain't livin too long),
Water Shuriken would have some decent chances to flinch even if the move itself ain't that powerful and Greninja not being that tanky.
at least if it flinched the enemy multiple times this way Greninja would be doing a decent amount of chip damage or if lucky enough, secure some kills/weaken the enemy mon greatly.
it still a very fun niche strat to use with it for sure even if it deff ain't foolproof 🤲 I still remember when my Greninja in X&Y flinched a Venusaur multiple times in a row with Torrent boosted Water Shuriken+King's rock.
it was a moment I still recall fondly back then.
As a doubles player, the best part of ally switch is not even using it. Just knowing your opponent has it forces mind games and can make you make the wrong move and have the ally switch user do something else. And of course getting ally switched can win the game on the spot in some instances
breloom mentioned graaaaaaaa
Doing negative prioty move differently make sense cause they play so differently then prioty moves in how they are used.
Maybe a hot take but Powder should ACTUALLY be buffed to 75% imo. It's already extremely niche as is, and even 50% just makes it Super Fang, in superrrr situational moments. Or maybe not do 75%, but brings the opponent down to 25% health, or maybe 75% but can't ko the opponent like false swipe.
Doesn't it block an attack too?
I love how you use showdown's search to quickly illustrate the pool of pokemon of said move. Well done.
Love these types of videos Brother keep up your hard work 💙
Thank you❤️
That chills Burger King foot lettuce reference caught me off guard 🤣
The burger king foot lettuce reference got you an automatic sub
Powder would be so good on a Steel/Bug, since their only weakness is Fire and it's a x4 weakness. I've used it in Hackmons and it's a riot to have your Scizor use Powder on a Pokemon that thinks they can kill you, only to stop them in their tracks.
13:27 terrain was nerfed going into gen 8 before rila got to use the 1.5 luckily
I think you fairly rated ally switch on the tier list.
You did a good job covering why it CAN be useless or outplayed.
The reason the move is hated is not because it's good but rather that it's uncompetitive. It can often just force a coin flip where getting it right is an instant win but getting it wrong is an instant loss.
Luckily it was also nerfed in Gen IX and has a fail chance like Protect / Endure, so it's no longer a coinflip
"It can often just force a coin flip where getting it right is an instant win but getting it wrong is an instant loss". This sentence, like the video said, applies literally in the same way for Sucker Punch and Thunderclap. I still don't understand why it is hated the way it is. Even the counterplay to Ally Switch is a lot easier and accessible to come by (widespread moves) than it is for Sucker Punch/Thunderclap (redirection or priority blocking). There are moves way more uncompetitive with less or actual zero counterplay that get considerably less hate than this one (Surging Strikes and Wicked Blow just as an example).
Aren't the whole ordeal of competitive Pokémon is to out predict your opponent? What's the difference between using ally switch to redirect dragon damage to a fairy type and just switching out to a fairy type in general? You still waste a move technically in both situations, the only difference is that the Mons on your field is still the same.
Just started getting into comp pokemon any tips?
@@catnoir4670 The main thing is to just play the game, maybe start with pre-built team and slowly understand what each Pokémon is doing until it's common sense
you can also use Pokétubers to help you understand how to play, what does that move do, etc
then at some point you can start to understand how to build your own team fit to your preferred playstyle
However, most importantly, remember that this is a game played for fun, don't quit because you lose a lot when you start or because the RNG actively denies your wins for your entire play session
that's it basically, play the game, understand it, then play the game with more knowledge
Vacuum wave kartana to beat other kartana was a thing at one point lmao
Play Pokémon rock paper scissors with Hitmonchan using focus punch, Mach punch, and upper hand
Upper hand makes Mach punch flinch
Mach punch makes focus punch break
Focus punch ignores upper hand
6:56 if only there was a move that punishes attempts to pick off with priority which would give him the upper hand. Can't think of anything.
20:21 out of curiosity were you ment to put the covert cloak instead of the clear amulet as I’m pretty sure the clear amulet doesn’t stop flinching I think 🤔
Over all great video loved learn about new moves and would love to see how more uncommon moves you could buff (the powder buff is perfection!)
Yes, many people pointed this out. I got them mixed up in my head😅
Thanks for watching!
@@MattBudYT ah no worries happens all the time with me to! Have a good rest of the day!
11:48 Let me introduce to gen 8 ally switch shedinja
Ally Switch used to be better because you could use it Mimikyu, who used to not take damage when it's disguise was up and had a focus sash so you couldn't two hit it. Others like Cresselia is really annoying to deal with, with how much of a wall it can be.
Also your opponent could run protect so you could try to predict the switch and just double into protect / if you try to split damage, the opponent might not switch and now you just did neglible damage into both slots or into protect / wide guard could also be used if you try to play around it with spread moves.
The move was also way worse in closed team sheets since you could randomly face stuff like Smeargle running Ally Switch and now your ghost move did no damage.
I would personally put Water Shuriken above all the other priority moves you mentioned in that upper tier list. Being not only a special move, but a multi hitting one at that, really makes it useful and especially viable as an attack with the addition of Loaded Dice.
I have played Pokémon competitively and played through all the Pokémon games as well as fan games and today is the first time I have ever heard of the move powder
For ally switch in gen 7 it never failed so imagine if every single turn it was coinflip at best if they used it or not. Gen 8 and onwards the move can fail in succession like protect and almost no one uses it anymore.
10:48 outplay the ally switch!? How dreadful! Matt you cant expect vgc players to have to predict and not just attack whats in front of them for once 🤢
The ADV OU Vapicuno team w momento/dual screen gardevoir and belly drum/extremespeed linoone is one of the most fun teams ive seen in a pre gen 5 meta
While I didn't know where it would "rank" but Ally Switch is a menace. Just knowing your opponent has it creates huge mind games. There are less turns in doubles, so completely throwing off an opponents game plan can really swing the battle back in your favor. Yes spread moves are a thing, but if the opponent is already going for those, then you didn't need to bother picking that move. It isn't one you set a game plan around so it isn't debilitating to have.
One time I was stuck in a Dina Max Raid with NPCs. One of them was an Eevee that kept spamming Helping Hand onto the other NPC's Wabafett, which kept spamming Counter and doing nothing. The third NPC had a Magicarp that one shoted the enemy with Hydropump.
Ah yes kept one kept "spamming" and one 1 shottes it . Wtf were you fighting after enemy was one shouted so that u said they kept spamming it
Good video now I want to see the negative priority moves
Been playing pokemon for almost 30 years now and I never knew the move "powder" existed.
It's true that Ally Switch isn't *that* good, which arguably makes it even more infuriating cause it feels like it's just made to piss you off. It simply can create hard 50/50s more easily than other moves, which is overall worse than having a move that benefits you most of the time, but also tends to benefit the user when they're losing, so it creates a very unfun dynamic where games basically come down to coinflips more often than they're supposed to. It was especially bad when you could force multiple coinflips in a row, fortunately they applied the same protect penalty for multiple uses and it's not *too* bad now
Also, it is used a lot with shedninja which completely negates most attacks.
@@bigfudge2031 Yeah, thankfully it isn't in this gen but in VGC19 it was pretty good against Kyogre and Xerneas teams and since Kyogre and Groudon were prevalent it didn't need to sorry about sand or hail
Thanks for doing my request
No problem, it was a great idea.
Can’t believe I forgot to screenshot and include your comment my bad bud😭
@@MattBudYT well can you include me next time with the sequel ranking every negative priority move in Pokémon please
More Rock types need and a few other non-rock types. Accelerock.
Rampardos(huge buff)
Tyranitar
Fossil Pokémon
Terrakion
Iron Boulder
Gigalith
Rhyperior
Iron Thorns
Tyranitar
Coalossal
H.Arcanine
Ting-lu
Minior
Regirock
Regigigas
Deoyxs
Necrozma
Kleavor
I actually like Powder (in concept, I’ve never used it). If it had better distribution it would be a cool doubles tool.
Where would you have Zippy Zap ranked?
Electric type, base 50 power, always crits
I don’t recognize those busted Let’s Go moves😂
But definitely top 5 if not top 3
Covert cloak and not clear amulet stops the flinching 😅
Ally switch was nerfed going into Gen 9, but beforehand it was very uncompetitive. It turned every situation into a 50/50, which was made worse with dynamax and setup options. The simple solution is to taunt the opponent, but that’s not always feasible with most ally switch users having a way to block priority, have magic bounce, run mental herb, or just didn’t care. Not to mention, taunting the right slot was also a 50/50
another thing I wanted to point out is you were wrong about the Grassy Glide calc for Gen 8. Terrain boosts were nerfed in Gen 8 to be only 1.3x power, meaning Grassy Glide would’ve had a base power of 91 in Gen 8.
They should make a priority move that's a multihit. It hits once with priority, once normally, and once with negative priority.
I have become a water shuriken and mach punch stan ever since I started playing pokerouge
One last thing I wanted to mention. Why didn’t you include Protection moves on this list? There’s quite a few, and some have really good secondary effects as well.
0:21 I have another video dedicated to the protection moves
Be glad Wobbuffet can't learn Bide, as it would be completely broken in combination with Encore and Shadow Tag.
Funny thing about Fake Out: In Gen 7, combining Ambipom with Max P. Attack investment, Technician, & Fake Out boosted by a Normal Gem(which you can find a INFINITE number of them, with one respawning every few days), you can boost the 40 BP to 60 from Technician, 90 with STAB, & 135 FROM THE NORMAL GEM. Busted.
Ambipom is definitely the best fake out abuser in singles
@@MattBudYT Right? Even against Pokémon with a 4X Normal-Type
Resistance(like the Aron line), it can still do fairly significant damage, to break their Sturdy! Ambipom may be in NU(in SV), but it's still my favorite Mono-Type Technician abuser.
@@ShiningSilvally I used it in my last draft league and just the threat of it’s fake out is enough to force switches and you can get a free sub off.
I used this to bait a zamazenta in during playoffs to substitute/focus punch KO it😂
@@MattBudYT BRO, THAT'S FILTHY! A fast WALL, like Zamazenta being taken down by one of the most unintuitive Fighting-Type Moves?! I never use Focus Punch, and you use it against one of the most bulky Legendaries, with a Pokémon with NO STAB?! Bruh. I'm never getting into competitive, with that.
@@ShiningSilvally I had some other techs like Curse A. Marowk that did some work. Here’s the replay if you wanted to see.
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexag-2057865773-vwviypl4vnopwpb03bdiwyvanopmn7spw
You're always my priority!
If i would add protect, detect, spiky shield, string trap or whatever to the list, ill put all of them in s tier, they are staples in competitive pokemon
I wonder which would rank higher in VGC, Protect or Fake Out? I'm thinking Protect because I remember Wolfey saying that Protect is the backbone of VGC. I think it was in his video about how Urshifu is bad for the game. Fake Out is amazing, but Protect is necessary.
Likely protect for importance but hard to compare when one is universally distributed and one is less common.
Like it Fake Out was available on every Pokemon it would change the game entirely on first turns. But since we know which mons run Fake Out it’s more manageable.
Ally switch on shedinja is the true terror
So bullet punch is super effective against rock, ice and fairy... The super offense glass canon types, well maybe not rock. But that coverage in a priority move is useful af
In the same haydunn vid you pulled out he was using upper hand + endure
Yeah, I included the haydunn vid for both sections.
17:16 bro really searched buff palafin….
U know d*mn well he saw the rule 34 pictures when he searched that too.
Hope you liked what ya saw Matt. 😆😆😆😈
hi my favorite priority move is sucker punch just because it's a Dark-type attack and Dark is my favorite type (i don't play competitive)
Imagine if Viola's Vivillon knew Powder just to fuck with anyone who chose Fennekin. I'm a Fennekin enjoyer and even I would like that change.
Im sure you already know but for fake out counters you put clear amulet instead of covert cloak
Good catch😂 got them mixed up
I may have missed something, but what about Zippy Zap? That’s a partner Pikachu exclusive move that has +2 priority, 50bp, and always crits. Seems like a high placement to me
Those let’s go moves don’t exist to me😂
@@MattBudYT Fair enough lol
ExtremeSpeed is indeed the best priority move. I was wondering if you'd put Sucker Punch in number 1, because it's also incredible. But the mind games it creates can hinder a little its usefulness.
what about protect and detect?
E-speeds limitation is its normal type, and fake out is worse because it’s never used in singles
Upper hand is good because when i use it on my mega sceptile it catches most people off guard because no one expects mega sceptile to use it it is espe beneficial for ice shard👀🔥
Almost agree. Just switch the Mach Punch and Bullet Punch positions.
If bullet punch had more good STAB users it would have more of a case to be higher in my eyes
Follow me at 6 is probably fair since its useless in singles, but I did want to mention that its one of the all time best moves in doubles right up there with fake out. Its so good that GF really limits its distribution
I think you need to edit that bro 😅
@@toupr4770 thanks
ally switch is a funny move since it works with 2 turn attacks like giritina's shadow force
Snatch was so fun to use in competitive pkmn and it is such a shame for getting rid of it but I guess dark types are already as strong as they are.
A shame they removed such a fun move while keeping Razor Wind in the game
Am I crazy or did he forget follow me and rage powder? Those moves are insanely valuable in doubles
They are there, you might be crazy
If you're doing priority moves you should do (max abd gmax moves by how broken they are) [I never played SWSH only smogon so I don't know much) or (z moves by their name)
Upper hand actually sees play in VGC, it should definitely be higher, probably 1 tier up, and I would also drop ally switch down, with the change this generation to the move, it sees almost no play anymore, I have seen more Upper Hands than ally switches this gen.
Next video idea: best and worst status moves by type
20:20 I think that's the wrong item. Covert Cloak is the item that blocks secondary effects.
Just saying that follow me is 10x better than rage powder, since you can avoid rage powder with safety goggles so 😅
The counterplay options are why I put follow me above. Both effective moves though.
Ally Switch is arguably as important as fake out in fgc
Favourite priority move: prankster tailwind. :P
stick web magic coat araquanid was so epic
sad that it lost it in gen 9
Umm... I'm wondering, why didn't you put Protect and detect on the list ? They are priority moves (and great ones at that), but they don't make an appearance here ? Am I missing something ?
Yes, you skipped the intro (0:21) when I said I did all protect variations in another video already so I won’t be including them.
@@MattBudYTmy bad, must've forgotten you said that when I reached the end ^^'
Reminder that the multihit priorities get rid of the frail focus sash users
I didn't know half of these were Priority moves
I literally only used bide was to match Ash's goodras moveset in an Ash run
Where is Burning Bulwark its basically protect but with burn if made contact and a +4 priority
It is high on the list
While Thunderclap and Jet Punch are good, I feel like the fact that they’re only on one Pokémon should make it lower. Since it’s not able to be used as much as other priority moves.
Honestly what if someone put upper hand on a hitmonlee endure reversal set? Feel like that would be pretty decent
That’s the exact set of the Hitmonlee clips I have from the Haydunn video
oh damn my b I was just tuning into the audio lol