I like the Ted Cook custom drafting flange; seems like I saw one recently that was gifted to a technician way up North where they talk kind of funny. 😉👍
Ted, I am a homeowner and enjoy learning from your videos. I like knowing a little about how things in my house function, including my AC and furnace. Came downstairs the other day and the AC coil on top of the furnace was leaking water-immediately knew I had a blocked condensate line. Sure enough, clogged with years of junk. Would have never know what to do without your videos. Just a little “DIY” on that one. Thanks!
In another video you showed your "Steve Lav" setup for you pump using a floor flange with magnets. I was thinking about it and realized that Coolpresser tool would would perfectly.
Excellent repair process thanks to Ted. Not only that but Ted has some decent tools to take care of the problems that arise. The vacuum is a better grade than most HVAC supply stores sell and the Milwaukee transfer pump is a beast of a machine for its purposes. My guess as a DIY is, that elbow made trap wasn't a good idea long term. They should have used a nice sweep trap that is made for the drain system as they will rarely plug up due to the smooth bends/curves. Just like any electrician, when the need to make a 90 degree turn with their grey plastic pipes they need to use a sweep 90 so the wires can make the turn via the fish they use. Same goes for this water although, being condensed water, why is there a large amount of minerals/scale from distilled water? Anyway, this was a great repair due to a poor install and as Ted mentioned, the unit should have been install higher and out of the water damaging overflow pan. I wonder how many days of water that was in their bucket and drip pan?
To each his own, but when I find a trap that clogged and that nasty, especially one built with fittings, I just install a new J-trap or P-trap. Why not cut the drain line between the unit and the trap and then connect the hose from your pump so that when you flush the pan it actually flushes all the crud from the trap which is where the clog was. No need leaving a trap like that in the system. That is a clog waiting to happen again. Just my opinion on what works for me every time.
Ted, I’ve always wanted to ask why don’t you guys drain the auxiliary pan? We run two pipes. We finish the auxiliary in the soffit or even in the garage where it’s obvious that there is water in the pan. I follow that with a float switch that shuts down the AC if the pan fills up. I’ve begun using a safety switch in auxiliary outlet on the coil, to keep water out of the pan. It appears that you always have water to flush with though. I always wonder about that when you do drain clogs.
We use 2 pipes her in CA--the secondary exits above an exterior window--this way the homeowner gets water running on the window and know there is an issue.
I see that alot as well and always wondered the same thing. Why not put an in line float out if the secondary outlet instead of letting the primary pan overflow and fill the return up. Luckily it's an up flow. If it was horizontal like that all the insulation in the air handler would've gotten soaked.
Good job as always. Ted, can you tell me why the drain lines on these systems are always set so close to the foundation? I had my system installed 2 years ago, after the HVAC guys left, I added an extra foot of pvc to the end so it would drain further away from the foundation of my home. Summers in Calif are pretty dang HOT. Lots of water coming out of the drain.
Hi Ted…. What does it take to make that transfer pump fitting end? I know there’s a magnet underneath it to hold it down. But what parts do you need to make the end. Seeing you move that much water makes me want to buy one now. Thanks Ted!! Love your channel!!!!!!!!😁
I agree. That cap is so tight the vacuum cant even get air. Had the cap been removed he would have got air and knew the plug was before the vent tee. Unions great idea. I use hose and clamps.
@13:00 is exactly why on these kind of systems up in the attic a condensate pump would be a million times better, than a long PVC drain going all the way down thru the house to the ground. Almost every pump has a safety dry contact that can be used to kill the condensing unit if the pump fails. Replacing the pump is many times easier than cutting drains, and all that vacuuming/flushing/snaking etc. I redid a 20 unit 5 building apartment complex with all new furnaces, got rid of the window/wall A/C units, and replaced with central air. All 20 split systems have condensate pumps, no gravity drains except for a short distance to the pump. Eliminates the need for a trap as well. Only one pump failure since 2017. And that was because a water heater busted, and it ruined the pump. A more permanent fix for this particular house would be a condensate pump right where the Milwaukee is at 13:05. Especially if they throw a little mulch over the outlet again, leaves weeds etc. The gravity head plus the approx 20 feet of pump head will keep it self cleared most of the time.
A bigger condensate line works as well. You would never see a plumber use 3/4" for any gravity drain and they would never use tight 90s. When is the lasttime you saw a floor drain clog? Its a problem that no one has put their mind to...
every time I see that vacuum, I still automatically reach for the volume control. watched too many of the past videos where you didn't turn it down on. 🙃
Being the character that I happen to be. If the vacuum didn't clear the clog I would've went upstairs and hit the drain with 150psi of air. Go or blow baby...lol.
most units have a fresh air ventilator which brings in outside air. filters get dirty pretty easily and when preventative maintenance is not down. all the microbial growth and dirt that gets stuck to the coil will get mixed with the condensation and all that drains in the drain line and hardens overtime. i see it alot down here in texas
@@ItsOutlaws That's the wrong way to do it. Should have a separate system that has a HRV (heat recovery ventilator), if they're trying to achieve a totally sealed house. Introducing outside air into the return only works when the system is calling, and then can increase positive pressure in the house from the resulting imbalance. Trane and American standard make a unit that's popular around here that has it's own washable filters inside it. Only see these is larger more high end homes though.
I guess using those sharp 90 degree bend elbows to make a trap is what causes these condensate lines to clog up. If there was a solid trap with a gradual bend this would be less likely to happen.
I had a very well respected HVAC company install a new Carrier air handler and coil in my attic. When it rained the next week, water was pouring through the ceiling. When I looked at the unit, I found that the effing dumbass installed the P-trap upside down. The float switch was not connected to anything.
Any tips on finding a drain pipe? Can see the p trap coming off air handler and it drips into a 2" PVC pipe that goes into the wall and can't find any PVC pipe outside at all. No basement or crawl space under house. House is built on concrete.
Anyone know why there was insulating foam around the P trap? I'm a DIY homeowner and just figuring out this is my issue. My trap was wrapped as well and I just cut it off and through it away. I'm in Florida so no chance of freezing and it certainly wasn't gonna hold any water back.
Maybe you just didn't film it, but: 1) did you ever flush the trap? 2) did you remove the cap from the vent? Last shot had you putting the cap ON the vent.
I never understood why some use just 90's for traps? I know sometimes space is a commodity but a P, J or R trap is so much easier and clogs less than 90's.
My coil pan flooded and got my insulation wet due to insulation blocking the line. Should i take out all insulation that got wet inside the unit which if i dont it could get molded?
Hi.. a couple of day ago my drain clogged. Originally the air vent was before the p trap on the a second vertical fall then horizontal the j trap then out. Maintenance took off the vent. Left j trap. Having vent was wrong before the j trap on the with the second vertical fall. He now installed without. What is wrong? And how I can fix?
Many air handlers with the exception of a very few like the Trane Hyperion line, the evap coil is under negative pressure. So without the trap, the suction from the blower will suck air in, and not let the water drain out. It gets much worse when you have a system with badly designed or kinked return air ductwork, and when people neglect to change the filter on time, the negative static pressure at that drain outlet can get really high. When I hear a P-trap going 'glug glug glug', 99% of the time the air filter is plugged solid. Customer states I just had the filters changed. The date written on the filter by the last guy says otherwise (3/10/21! And it was July 2022)...
I always kind of wondered the same thing. I'd guess they run dry fairly often, and every one I see is either a bunch of elbows like this or a bent (crushed) length of pipe, and they clog up and cause a bunch of damage.
I don’t understand the geometries of this, the lineset exits at grade to the condensers, and then in the crawspace the condensate drain is six feet lower and also exits at grade.
I don’t know why guys don’t use 2 tees on the trap. Especially when you’ve got the room like that. A clean out and a vent. Very simple. They always use that threaded 90. Installers lol.
Derek, have you ever used the AC EZ tee? Really neat setup that I’m converting my regulars to if they ever have drain trouble. You can put two in a row and really have a handy auxiliary. If you buy the 20 unit case the drain tools are free and they are handy.
Damn! You're killing me, Why not check the P/J/U trap configuration FIRST!!!! Cut the damn thing out, and replace, why leave it? What a waste of time!!
I like the Ted Cook custom drafting flange; seems like I saw one recently that was gifted to a technician way up North where they talk kind of funny. 😉👍
Ted, I am a homeowner and enjoy learning from your videos. I like knowing a little about how things in my house function, including my AC and furnace. Came downstairs the other day and the AC coil on top of the furnace was leaking water-immediately knew I had a blocked condensate line. Sure enough, clogged with years of junk. Would have never know what to do without your videos. Just a little “DIY” on that one. Thanks!
Very interesting! A P-trap is always the first place I look.
That little pump is a real animal. I'm amazed at how quickly it emptied that plastic bucket!
In another video you showed your "Steve Lav" setup for you pump using a floor flange with magnets. I was thinking about it and realized that Coolpresser tool would would perfectly.
Thanks to your vid’s I used a vacuum to clear a drain a couple days ago!
Seeing it wasn't a real p-trap I would have thought that would have been the first spot to look
Excellent repair process thanks to Ted. Not only that but Ted has some decent tools to take care of the problems that arise. The vacuum is a better grade than most HVAC supply stores sell and the Milwaukee transfer pump is a beast of a machine for its purposes. My guess as a DIY is, that elbow made trap wasn't a good idea long term. They should have used a nice sweep trap that is made for the drain system as they will rarely plug up due to the smooth bends/curves. Just like any electrician, when the need to make a 90 degree turn with their grey plastic pipes they need to use a sweep 90 so the wires can make the turn via the fish they use. Same goes for this water although, being condensed water, why is there a large amount of minerals/scale from distilled water? Anyway, this was a great repair due to a poor install and as Ted mentioned, the unit should have been install higher and out of the water damaging overflow pan. I wonder how many days of water that was in their bucket and drip pan?
To each his own, but when I find a trap that clogged and that nasty, especially one built with fittings, I just install a new J-trap or P-trap. Why not cut the drain line between the unit and the trap and then connect the hose from your pump so that when you flush the pan it actually flushes all the crud from the trap which is where the clog was. No need leaving a trap like that in the system. That is a clog waiting to happen again. Just my opinion on what works for me every time.
I flushed the trap very well …. it just is not on the footage.
I have had good results with nitrogen.
Ted, I’ve always wanted to ask why don’t you guys drain the auxiliary pan? We run two pipes. We finish the auxiliary in the soffit or even in the garage where it’s obvious that there is water in the pan. I follow that with a float switch that shuts down the AC if the pan fills up. I’ve begun using a safety switch in auxiliary outlet on the coil, to keep water out of the pan. It appears that you always have water to flush with though. I always wonder about that when you do drain clogs.
We use 2 pipes her in CA--the secondary exits above an exterior window--this way the homeowner gets water running on the window and know there is an issue.
I see that alot as well and always wondered the same thing. Why not put an in line float out if the secondary outlet instead of letting the primary pan overflow and fill the return up. Luckily it's an up flow. If it was horizontal like that all the insulation in the air handler would've gotten soaked.
@@tomdelaney2480 Texas has that rule as wel
The Steve Lav contraption works great.
This was great information!! Thank you!!
Good job as always. Ted, can you tell me why the drain lines on these systems are always set so close to the foundation? I had my system installed 2 years ago, after the HVAC guys left, I added an extra foot of pvc to the end so it would drain further away from the foundation of my home. Summers in Calif are pretty dang HOT. Lots of water coming out of the drain.
Cut that ridiculous homemade trap out and install a EZ trap with float switch.
It’s worth quoting I guess but if I’m there on a diagnostic fee it’s free to clear and my company would charge like 200$ to install an ez trap.
@@jameslang9170 waterless may be an option too?
Ours would have been $199 diagnostic then $315 to clear drain and $426 for ez trap with overflow safety protection. Real pricing. New Jersey!
Hi Ted…. What does it take to make that transfer pump fitting end? I know there’s a magnet underneath it to hold it down. But what parts do you need to make the end. Seeing you move that much water makes me want to buy one now. Thanks Ted!! Love your channel!!!!!!!!😁
Lol, interesting railing pipe flange you got there. I never would've thought of it. Nice job, I'm assuming you made it yourself.
Can you tell me where you found that circular weight for the end of your hose? Looked really nice to not have to hold it down myself.
Go back a couple of videos and you will see one where I showed close-ups of it and described it
Trap then vent. Don’t cap the vent. Install unions on each side of the trap for easy removal for cleaning.
I agree. That cap is so tight the vacuum cant even get air. Had the cap been removed he would have got air and knew the plug was before the vent tee.
Unions great idea. I use hose and clamps.
I think I would have insisted on raising the level of that outside discharge pipe, so that dirt & mulch wouldn't be clogging it up again.
@13:00 is exactly why on these kind of systems up in the attic a condensate pump would be a million times better, than a long PVC drain going all the way down thru the house to the ground. Almost every pump has a safety dry contact that can be used to kill the condensing unit if the pump fails. Replacing the pump is many times easier than cutting drains, and all that vacuuming/flushing/snaking etc. I redid a 20 unit 5 building apartment complex with all new furnaces, got rid of the window/wall A/C units, and replaced with central air. All 20 split systems have condensate pumps, no gravity drains except for a short distance to the pump. Eliminates the need for a trap as well. Only one pump failure since 2017. And that was because a water heater busted, and it ruined the pump.
A more permanent fix for this particular house would be a condensate pump right where the Milwaukee is at 13:05. Especially if they throw a little mulch over the outlet again, leaves weeds etc. The gravity head plus the approx 20 feet of pump head will keep it self cleared most of the time.
These days code in a lot of area actually requires the primary drain to go right into the house plumbing which eliminates a long run outside
@@SETX_Sirens_and_Rail_02 wow , that’s just crazy.
@brnmcc01, where would the pump be directed to get the water out of the house, and what prevents that line from clogging?
The best performing "pump" would be gravity. No maintenance and no mechanical concerns.
A bigger condensate line works as well. You would never see a plumber use 3/4" for any gravity drain and they would never use tight 90s. When is the lasttime you saw a floor drain clog? Its a problem that no one has put their mind to...
That transfer pump is very cool.
I think im next Ted. You make it look easy. DIY? Not this guy😂 I'd cause more damage than fixin.
As always nice work
every time I see that vacuum, I still automatically reach for the volume control. watched too many of the past videos where you didn't turn it down on. 🙃
Nice work Ted, I was gonna say that unit should be sitting on blocks, and why is the PVC drain insulated... Oy Vey..
it never fails, it will always be clogged in the last place you look! 🤣 pretty sure it's one of Murphy's laws
Being the character that I happen to be. If the vacuum didn't clear the clog I would've went upstairs and hit the drain with 150psi of air. Go or blow baby...lol.
A lot of clogged drains down south huh. What’s in the water/air down there?
most units have a fresh air ventilator which brings in outside air. filters get dirty pretty easily and when preventative maintenance is not down. all the microbial growth and dirt that gets stuck to the coil will get mixed with the condensation and all that drains in the drain line and hardens overtime. i see it alot down here in texas
units never stop cooling here - ever :)
Way to much damn humidity all the way down here in Southern FL
Hate for centralized government
@@ItsOutlaws That's the wrong way to do it. Should have a separate system that has a HRV (heat recovery ventilator), if they're trying to achieve a totally sealed house. Introducing outside air into the return only works when the system is calling, and then can increase positive pressure in the house from the resulting imbalance. Trane and American standard make a unit that's popular around here that has it's own washable filters inside it. Only see these is larger more high end homes though.
I guess using those sharp 90 degree bend elbows to make a trap is what causes these condensate lines to clog up. If there was a solid trap with a gradual bend this would be less likely to happen.
Wow that is one hell of a pump there pumping all that water out of that Been in impressive
Why so much water overflowed? The shut off system didn’t work but thought you said it did. And the ceiling / show us ;)
Below grade drain, great idea
I had a very well respected HVAC company install a new Carrier air handler and coil in my attic. When it rained the next week, water was pouring through the ceiling. When I looked at the unit, I found that the effing dumbass installed the P-trap upside down. The float switch was not connected to anything.
Any tips on finding a drain pipe? Can see the p trap coming off air handler and it drips into a 2" PVC pipe that goes into the wall and can't find any PVC pipe outside at all. No basement or crawl space under house. House is built on concrete.
I need that hose base in my life! Please share!
I CAN'T EVEN FIND MY AC UNIT IN MY DAMN HOUSE, NOT IN ATTICC, NOT IN GARAGE NOWHERE
What is your vacuum set up?
It's great!
I have a milwaukee vac as well
I used to say I found it the last place I looked till someone asked me if I kept looking after I found it.🤣
Hey Ted I got the same set up were did you silver piece your using I need that too
Anyone know why there was insulating foam around the P trap? I'm a DIY homeowner and just figuring out this is my issue. My trap was wrapped as well and I just cut it off and through it away. I'm in Florida so no chance of freezing and it certainly wasn't gonna hold any water back.
Maybe you just didn't film it, but:
1) did you ever flush the trap?
2) did you remove the cap from the vent? Last shot had you putting the cap ON the vent.
Good job Ted.
I never understood why some use just 90's for traps? I know sometimes space is a commodity but a P, J or R trap is so much easier and clogs less than 90's.
I know you changed all that wet insulation 😂
just happened to me , but lucky that i found and catched the issue before it will lea[king everywhere, wetvac dewalt and fix it
My coil pan flooded and got my insulation wet due to insulation blocking the line. Should i take out all insulation that got wet inside the unit which if i dont it could get molded?
They glue the wrong one 😂😂😂 someone either need training or get fired 🤷♂️
I would have replaced the trap. Clogged once (due to design), will do it again.
thought you were supposed to start with the ptrap
Where was the Yellow Death?
After seeing the slime in the trap I was expecting him to run some through there.
why don't they use double 45 instead of 90 degree elbows to prevent blockage
probably really not glued. you need a pipe wrench,, thought mine were glued also
Hi.. a couple of day ago my drain clogged. Originally the air vent was before the p trap on the a second vertical fall then horizontal the j trap then out. Maintenance took off the vent. Left j trap. Having vent was wrong before the j trap on the with the second vertical fall. He now installed without. What is wrong? And how I can fix?
Where do you buy that smart snake?
Why is there even a "P" trap in the first place? Just seems like another place for a clog and that's about it.
Bugs...
Many air handlers with the exception of a very few like the Trane Hyperion line, the evap coil is under negative pressure. So without the trap, the suction from the blower will suck air in, and not let the water drain out. It gets much worse when you have a system with badly designed or kinked return air ductwork, and when people neglect to change the filter on time, the negative static pressure at that drain outlet can get really high. When I hear a P-trap going 'glug glug glug', 99% of the time the air filter is plugged solid. Customer states I just had the filters changed. The date written on the filter by the last guy says otherwise (3/10/21! And it was July 2022)...
I always kind of wondered the same thing. I'd guess they run dry fairly often, and every one I see is either a bunch of elbows like this or a bent (crushed) length of pipe, and they clog up and cause a bunch of damage.
The install of the air handler looked kinda janky.
If it had ez trap it would be easier to clean and it would of shut off and no water in the pan
I say she never changes her filters
I don’t understand the geometries of this, the lineset exits at grade to the condensers, and then in the crawspace the condensate drain is six feet lower and also exits at grade.
You didn't notice the door he walked into the crawlspace? They graded down a slope from from the condenser.
A poor install overall....they did a lot of bad moves.
Is this a system you installed?
Just grab the nitro
I don’t know why guys don’t use 2 tees on the trap. Especially when you’ve got the room like that. A clean out and a vent. Very simple. They always use that threaded 90. Installers lol.
Derek, have you ever used the AC EZ tee? Really neat setup that I’m converting my regulars to if they ever have drain trouble. You can put two in a row and really have a handy auxiliary. If you buy the 20 unit case the drain tools are free and they are handy.
seems like they need a one piece trap in there
Yeah they're only $3.19 at the supply house. Profit margins....
of course it's the last place you looked. Why would you keep looking once you found it?
When are you guys going to learn NOT to use 90 degree elbows? They make 45's and even better torch bend the pipe for a much smoother bend.
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Damn! You're killing me, Why not check the P/J/U trap configuration FIRST!!!! Cut the damn thing out, and replace, why leave it? What a waste of time!!
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