Awesome video dude, it's great for you to manage to catch these awesome locomotive's back in the day!! they do look like a class 56 or class 47 a little bit by looking at the window wipers on the locomotive. I really like the smoke they make aswell, almost as smokey as a USSR 2TE10 diesel locomotive.
Our 1960 class sadly will be withdrawnen until the end of 2012. Our locomotives are MSX627, and the engine is an 175 liter Alco V16 with 3042 hp and has General electric, electric engines. Now they had been restricted to 2750 bhp for more fuel economy. Otherwise your A.500 class are very similar too I think but those ones has a new engine layout, aren't they. Sorry about my english.
It's like a class 56 with a cloned Alco engine, at least the bogies are of a very simmilar design (the first batch 56's were built in the same factory) On all thes loco's there is oil vapour emiting through a gap in the roof at the same spot, and oil spilled down the side, that must be an awfull oily mess inside to work in as a fitter. That white car on the last train wil be matt black by the time it arrives at it's destination
Correct. A lot of the mechanical parts were copied directly from the BR Class 56. A shame a lot of the electrical components and the engine weren't as well. During a cab ride I asked what it looked like in the engine room. The second driver laughed and opened the door so I could see how dirty it was then closed it quickly before the black fluid sloshing around on the floor made it over the lip of the door and in to the cab. The drivers hated driving from the radiator end cab because the fans made the cabs draughty, which is why that cab was always black with exhaust soot. The locos were turned on turntables or turning wyes where possible.
I wouldn't say its a big locomotive by US standards, just big by European standards. 123 tons is still a lot less than an SD40 for example. Despite the fact the Craiova were rated at around 4,000hp,they had built in unreliability which made it impossible to use all this power.It was common for locos to work with motors cut out due to electrical faults,which helped make these locos popular with their followers due to exhaust that could be seen and heard, slow acceleration and cloned ALCO!! :-)
Nice video, nice loco and typical Greek yelling at the station master!! Oh, and I see that in 1997 the line was not electrified yet. 50 years behind the other European countries......
Yeah..European countries....bullshit! It is very good thing that the line is not electrified...I only hope that it isn't electrified even today. Why do you think that americans didn't electrify their railways? Because it is more effcient to carry your own powerplant with you.
Not all European countries had electrified their railways in the 90's but I get your point. I think that electrification had begun in the north of the country at that stage but it took 15-20 years to complete the mainline. Many branch lines are still unelectrified. At least they did the job right with 25kV lines and new double tracks which can run almost anything. Still, they are not 'proper' high speed lines, partially due to the mountainous geography of the mainland, that's why they need tilt trains to get high speeds.
I think that in the 90's the emphasis of infrastracture investment in Greece was in making new motorways and they had let the railway infrastracture go to pieces. That's why a lot of people stopped using the railway which was slow and unreliable. The mainline journey from Athens to Thessaloniki which is around 550km routinely took 6.5 - 7 hours; potentially more if there were delays or mechanical breakdowns on the single line over mountain passes.
@@sorindncs I think that a lot of the east coast routes are electrified in the US. The reason that the mid-west and transcontinental lines are often not electrified is a combination of cost-benefit balance (we are talking about thousands and thousands of miles of track and then you will need new engines, depot infrastracture etc) and policy (Oil lobby?)
So after 8 years, out of nowhere, I have this recommendation, but loved it ❤️
You have a treasure my friend.Excelent video.Thank you
Awesome video dude, it's great for you to manage to catch these awesome locomotive's back in the day!! they do look like a class 56 or class 47 a little bit by looking at the window wipers on the locomotive. I really like the smoke they make aswell, almost as smokey as a USSR 2TE10 diesel locomotive.
Belle macchine, eleganti ed imponenti, peccato siano state poco affidabili. Video fantastico!!!!
Wooow!! Wat an acceleration at the second video :X
Unique footage about one ”dinosaur” that dissapeared for eternity... :( :( Nice to see in 1997 cars transported by... trains! :D
Great locomotive. This is a msx627 locomotive wright? Similar as the portuguese 1960 class.
V16 angine with 3042bhp.
Our 1960 class sadly will be withdrawnen until the end of 2012. Our locomotives are MSX627, and the engine is an 175 liter Alco V16 with 3042 hp and has General electric, electric engines. Now they had been restricted to 2750 bhp for more fuel economy. Otherwise your A.500 class are very similar too I think but those ones has a new engine layout, aren't they. Sorry about my english.
@emdiesel63 Hello,sadly no!!Only one has left,and is on a train cemetery without engine....(A 557)
It's like a class 56 with a cloned Alco engine, at least the bogies are of a very simmilar design (the first batch 56's were built in the same factory)
On all thes loco's there is oil vapour emiting through a gap in the roof at the same spot, and oil spilled down the side, that must be an awfull oily mess inside to work in as a fitter.
That white car on the last train wil be matt black by the time it arrives at it's destination
Correct. A lot of the mechanical parts were copied directly from the BR Class 56. A shame a lot of the electrical components and the engine weren't as well. During a cab ride I asked what it looked like in the engine room. The second driver laughed and opened the door so I could see how dirty it was then closed it quickly before the black fluid sloshing around on the floor made it over the lip of the door and in to the cab. The drivers hated driving from the radiator end cab because the fans made the cabs draughty, which is why that cab was always black with exhaust soot. The locos were turned on turntables or turning wyes where possible.
Tι μπινελίκια πατάει ο οδηγός ρε φίλε.. χαχαχα.. Rare video my friend.. Bravo!
I wouldn't say its a big locomotive by US standards, just big by European standards. 123 tons is still a lot less than an SD40 for example. Despite the fact the Craiova were rated at around 4,000hp,they had built in unreliability which made it impossible to use all this power.It was common for locos to work with motors cut out due to electrical faults,which helped make these locos popular with their followers due to exhaust that could be seen and heard, slow acceleration and cloned ALCO!! :-)
Το τελευταίο επιβατικό ήταν από το Orient Express το οποίο ο ΟΣΕ το χρησιμοποιούσε κανονικά σε δρομολόγια...
τα τρενα craiova ρουμανιακα ειναι οποσ ξερω(καλα τρενα )
auto to manari to exw sto train simulator an thelete video peite mou ok? ;)
Πολλα ΟΚ οχι μονο ενα.....Καραμαναρο οπως το ειπες !!!
Nice video, nice loco and typical Greek yelling at the station master!! Oh, and I see that in 1997 the line was not electrified yet. 50 years behind the other European countries......
Yeah..European countries....bullshit! It is very good thing that the line is not electrified...I only hope that it isn't electrified even today. Why do you think that americans didn't electrify their railways? Because it is more effcient to carry your own powerplant with you.
Not all European countries had electrified their railways in the 90's but I get your point. I think that electrification had begun in the north of the country at that stage but it took 15-20 years to complete the mainline. Many branch lines are still unelectrified. At least they did the job right with 25kV lines and new double tracks which can run almost anything. Still, they are not 'proper' high speed lines, partially due to the mountainous geography of the mainland, that's why they need tilt trains to get high speeds.
I think that in the 90's the emphasis of infrastracture investment in Greece was in making new motorways and they had let the railway infrastracture go to pieces. That's why a lot of people stopped using the railway which was slow and unreliable. The mainline journey from Athens to Thessaloniki which is around 550km routinely took 6.5 - 7 hours; potentially more if there were delays or mechanical breakdowns on the single line over mountain passes.
@@sorindncs I think that a lot of the east coast routes are electrified in the US. The reason that the mid-west and transcontinental lines are often not electrified is a combination of cost-benefit balance (we are talking about thousands and thousands of miles of track and then you will need new engines, depot infrastracture etc) and policy (Oil lobby?)
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Good, but the smook is like a nightmare
No, electrical poles and wires look like a nightmare..smoke always looks like a faity tale!
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