About your smoked motor: A bad ESC will kill a motor real quick. I have had brand new motors burn up instantly when I replaced a burned out one with a new one, only to discover the ESC was the problem. ESC's have a collection of mosfets on them, which are inclined to fail "shorted", so a good way to check your ESC's before replacing a burned motor is to remove your motor leads, and check between the esc output terminals for continuity. 1-2, 2-3, 1-3. if you have continuity on any of those, then your new motor will be destroyed the moment you power up.
This is my first non-whoop quad so the silicone mat placement and battery strap routing was news to me and very helpful - I've now changed mine. Cheers!
@@royfryman2196 nah Been there and done that years ago it just seems to have come around again. 3 inch is where its at for me for speed and cinecopters (cygnet) uk65 for indoor whooping. mobula7hd for big indoor hd fun and 5 inch freestyle with props out of shot for the smooth gopro stuff
I am an electrical tech by trade. If the XT30 is limiting current flow, it absolutely makes sense that it is not sagging the battery voltage as badly. So it makes sense to me that an XT60 could help flow more current and possibly make more power rated in watts (amperage x voltage) and make the craft faster.
I loaded your PIDs on my GT-R349, and for some reason it would cause it to take off the moment I armed (like maybe 10% throttle)! I changed the PIDs back to what came with it, and everything went back to normal. So strange! I may dig into it further, but it looks like I should just suck it up and tune it myself.
Okay, final check-in here. I had loaded a pre-release version of Betaflight 4.0, and I think that's what was messing up my GT-R349. Once I re-loaded v3.5.X it flew just fine. I've done several flights to verify this.
Andy the mounting holes for the camera can break off in a crash. Also BG doesn't sell just the top plate by itself. Not enough up tilt for the camera available. Carbon fiber bottom plate is holding up but delaminates at the motor mounts
I thought the camera tilt was fine? in fact borderline crazy tilt but I guess everyone different. It comes with three canopies and im sure there will be spares... its a new model. If not diatone.hk would definitely get you one. even if its not listen an email would get you one.
I usually don't like using others PID because I've had a few bad experiences trying that. Not the case with Andy's PIDS. Quad feels Super locked in. Extremely grateful. Thanks again
ive flown my r349 about 3 times with stock pids and it seemed to drift around turns really badly. i put your pids in today and its locked in! thanks andy :)
I have had my 349 before Stew even done a review on it. And i have built a lot of 3inch builds before i purchased the 349. And i was so impressed with its performance that i sold my other 3 inch builds. It consistently runs over 105mph easy! I think you might have got one with a bum motor. Because i crashed mine a lot and still holding up great! I also got four more quads running this mamba stack and have had very good luck with them all. Great review keep up the good work😀
how are you measuring the speed? the motor only died after a lot of flights. I very much doubt it is the issue, In fact since making this video Im ahead of it and had another motor burn out flying the model like this.....also 105? thought it meant to do 113?
@@AndyRCchannel I actually have a similar set up as you do! A simple Ball Coach on a tripod. To be fair about it my 4s packs has a lot of cycles on them. So im yet to run it on a fresh new pack yet.😀
I had the same problem with a motor smoking on the GT 349 and the quad wasn't even in the air. I had just crashed and I did find the 1st arm was cracked so I just assumed it was from that but we shall see.
I love mine! Been flying it since it’s first release in November before Christmas. 4s 850 I use with GF Flash 3”. Such a great quad and bang per buck!!! I did blow one FC in a crash (Bec died).
Just cooked my second one... first one had a bad camera out of the box, then crashed the second one and one of the motors wouldnt work, back to the original one was working fine till yesterday , plugged in a battery and shot fire out the side of the stack! Cant say im too impressed with the reliability of these but they fly nice when they work!
I've been saying for ages that 3" is where its at and I'm so happy seeing RTF makers take advantage of what happens at this scale with weight vs thrust vs drag
I think its 4 inch. I am newbie that build all sizes for self educational purpose and I find the 4" with 1408 or 1507 motors depends on your flight style. Same battery 4s from 5 inch is more efficient on 4 inch 1507 motor then 2206 but 2206. perhaps 18xx for the 5 inch prop on light frame. As a newbie I dont understand why 4" is almost totally disregarded from these hobby... Am I missing something? There should be 3rd class for people like to fly it like an airplane. Efficient, long distance and light. I rather add 50 grams of battery to my drone then carbon / titanium reinforcements. I am not planning to crash flying 10M+ above tree lines.
Thanks for the review Andy... I'm a little disappointed it's not number 1, as I have pre-ordered the unify version, but in reality I'm never going to notice the difference...lol
Never truly realized how quick my 349 was until my buddy recorded line of sight ... It's insane! Had half a dozen people saying that had to be atleast 100mPh
Hi Andy, i was thinking that at more than 100mph the AERODINAMIC it's fondamental so the difference in speed could be ALSO due to the shape of the quads...do you never had considered that ?
If you are refering to how the antennas are mounted then yes I have and it would be reflected in more amp draw if it was a factor. when the copter is in forward motion like that its almost vertical. the props are blocking any drag caused by the antennas. Its brute force which is needed and considering the diatone sagged much less than the skyzone Id say thats some good evidence.
@@AndyRCchannel i was referring to all the shape, so yes, also the little antenna could impact but also the arms thickness and the the canopy on the body, but probably you are right when say that first of all it's a question of motor's brute force
Hi Andy I wondered could you show how you wired up the RXSR for telemetry I have searched and asked Diatone but I find it quite confusing Thanks in anticipation Wez
Sweet looking quad and awesome value for the price. I'm tempted to order one even though I certainly do not need due to my backlog and models I need to fix.
It would be interesting to see if there was a difference with an xt60. There was some comments from people on UAVs review saying there is a substantial bottleneck in power of you or an xt30.
@@AndyRCchannel I said the same as you although I never had the full details of how many amps an xt30 is actually capable of. What gauge wire is on the xt30 connector? Is it a lower gauge? Although wouldn;t logic suggest that you will get battery sag when the amps are pulling at their highest. If you are not getting sag you are not pulling enough amps to get the sag?
@@JonathanHeavyside well not really, the guage wire is designed for an XT30 so adding an Xt60 should then bottle neck at the guage wire. its also important to note in the test where an XT60 was used, the battery used was an infinity 70C 850mah so 850mah x 70 = 59 amps which is within the tolerance of an xt30 and under the tollerance of an XT60. the battery I used is 95c which would make it 80.2 amps however I have measured it on an accurate current meter pulling 87 amps. From my experience extreme voltage sag and also shown in this video extreme voltage sag is caused by the battery not being able to deliver enough amps that it needs so the copter takes more than it can handle and drops to 11 volts. no voltage sag in all of my speed tests has resulted in there not being enough demand for more current.
@@AndyRCchannel I get you. makes sense when you describe it like that. The bottom line is it is not as fast as it has been touted elsewhere but it is still excellent. And amazing value. I am majorly interested in this sub micro class that seems to be emerging on the kk65 props. I've got 2 to build
Hello Andy, I'm building this drone Diatone GT r349 from ground up, and I have a question about the jst molex wire connectors that are used for the beepers and receivers, (also like the ones that are found on the tx 200u vtx, cameras etc). Could you tell me where I can find them? Thank you so much in advance...cheers!
Great review as always. Mine seems to be coming by camel...you get used to waiting when you buy with cheap/free postage. I like to forget and then be surprised when things arrive ! Happy flying now the wind has finally died down...tried in 50mph gusts last week...goes East really really fast...
Hi Andy, thanks for your great channel (: Can you please upload the CLI ? i cant get to the 933 deg/s from the picture on the review BTW, how can i join the Roll/Pitch together on the "RC Rate" & RC Expo"? Thanks in advance Udi
just ordered mine !! a few mph shouldnt matter ,, after 100 it is all skill ,, speed helps , but in the end it is all skill and luck ,, and whoever was the quickest with the sticks too ,, love watching your videos ,, only been flyiing for 2 years now and only fpv for half that ,, but i love it ,, and cant wait to get mine in th email ,, i almost bought the little 3 inch eaachine wizard 6s, until i seen it wont fly with it ,, this one was same price ,, and again thanks
I put an xt60 on mine. I don't know what amperage the XT30 is actually rated for (amass doesn't say) but I see Amp draws over 60 and that just too much for an XT30 for me. Check out where I put my rx in my review video.
From Amass XT30 data sheet XT30 connectors are supposed for constant 15A current with 30A bursts (2-3 sec). www.china-amass.com/product/contain/Ydir1N5452923M63 For battery used in Andy's tests 80C current is 68A which is double of allowed. If current reading in DVR video is approximately correct then current draw was nearly 3 times exceeded. Instant melting current of conductors inside connector is around 100A so you can reach this near-melting current draw by cost of voltage sag because of temperature induced increased resistance. Also this current draw will destroy both quad and battery connectors very soon. If you wish to fly fast, change connector to XT60 - it is only a gram heavier, will not fry and battery will sag less.
Thanks Andy, love your reviews. I have this model on order and it should be here next week. I plan to fly it alot, I hope the motor does not burn up like yours. Speaking of motors do you think the previous 3 inch version with the Sunnysky motors are better than the Mamba motors? The motor shaft on the Sunnysky looks bigger and less likely to bend in a crash?
Hey Andy, I got the gt r39 but didnt like the tune that came with it, now I flashed it to bt 4.xx and the tune you had gets motors hot and performs really bad. Could you take a look at 349 again with new bf 4.xx tune? Love your channel and all the vids you do btw, been a hardcore subber since 4 years ago
andy i run a progect in grimsby helping kids to fly instead of trouble and have been donated a fare bit.just wondering if you sell any of these kwads cheaper as would love a couple more to our group.
I'm looking to maiden mine tomorrow!! Pumped! Side question, could/would your PID tune affect top speed? Also, in order for telemetry to work with the RXSR the wire at the pin connector will not work for this stack. You need to solder onto the opposite-inverted pad on the RXSR for telemetry to register. So unfortunately it is not plug an play capable. I suppose there is another way to use the PPM signal however it is more complicated.
That is correct but surely they could solder the wire for you? or have another inverted pad? I mean they have the buzzer wire there for you if u want it. The pid tune does not affect top speed. I got oscilations with the stock tune and it still hit 104mph. I imagine an unflyable pid tune would have an effect.
@@AndyRCchannelthanks for the info about the tune. I really wasn't sure. As for the telemetry pad, I'm not sure how it all works, or why you can't use the wire in the receiver's connector as is. I only know that with the mamba stacks in order to get telemetry to work you're going to need to solder directly to the receiver. With that being the case, there's no way to make it PNP. My GT2.5M was the same way. My goal was to say that telemetry is possible on this quad, but you've gotta solder to get it. Regardless of all that, truly... great review!
The problem is that frsky telemetry (sport) is an inverted protocol the same as sbus. F4 processors don't have invertible serial ports built in, so the F4 FC designers usually add an external inverter to one of the serial ports (RX pin) - for Sbus. The telemetry though is sent from the FC TO the control RX (e.g. to RXSR) so needs an inverted TX pin on an additional FC serial port. Most F4 FC designers don't provide support for an additional invertable TX pin, and usually not for ANY invertible TX pin anyway. So as you said, the usual solution is to tap into an non-inverted telemetry input on the receiver - if there is one. The other solution, is to use soft-serial. This is a virtual serial port, emulated in software (FC firmware). Soft-serial serial ports DO provide the ability to run inverted, so pose no problem for inverted protocols such as sbus and sport. Note that soft-serial is not fast enough on F4 for a reliable control link (e.g. sbus). Max soft-serial speed is 57600baud. But it can do sport (which is unfortunately locked at 57600). You do need to have all soft-serial ports running at the same speed btw. It will cause additional cpu load, so that you'd probably want to cut from 8k/8k back to 4k/4k. I'm fine with that, probably can't feel the difference :). Setting up soft-serial is not trivial, but also not difficult once you get the hang of it. In the CLI use the resource command. The idea is to reallocate unused CPU input and output pins that are available on the FC pads. Pins such as motor5, motor6, led output, buzzer, current sense, voltage sense, rssi input, etc etc. As an example, I have a wiring plan for the Tyro79 FC (has 2 hardware serial ports + USB), creating two soft-serial ports (using motor5, motor6, current and rssi), allowing all of Sbus, smart-audio, telemetry and GPS. Not tested yet.
I got a gtM3 frame and put a hglrc F440 stack with BH avenger 1507 4100kv motors with the HQ VS1 props. It is way too fast for my skill level, but it's a blast to fly and the frame is very durable. I have an XT60 on my quad. I think it may actually make a significant difference. Next build will be using 1606 4000kv emax motors. I'm sure it'll rip even more than my last build. However, my favorite micro frame is the catalyst Machine works more massive drone. That sucker is insane with the avenger motors!
If the battery had sagged like the S140 did then I would say an xt30 would be the reason but it didnt. It suggests that is not the issue. If it can cope with less sag on an xt30 then I dont think an xt60 is gonna add anything other than weight but I will try regardless. IMO you kinda need to change the cable as well as the XT60 because if the connector size is bigger than the gauge wire its still a bottleneck via the wire. Also as I mentioned In other video iv seen xt30s cope with 87 amps. The 4s battery here is 850mah 95c. 95X 850 = 80amp. So its within the tolerance of the xt30
@ Vudeja I have the same stack and the same motors, but on the Toothfairy 3" frame. I'm using XT30 connector with GNB 4s 850mah using GF 3052 Flash props. It is faster than my 5" on 5s. Still surprises me after a year of flying this beast. Don't think the xt30 is necessarily the issue, but hey maybe I could get better performance out of XT60?! Guess I'll have to give it a try at some point!
I don't think replacing the xt30 would help, as you would see a large voltage drop if xt30 was too small. Probably motors real kv is a bit lower like 3800 or so, that would also explain the low current draw.
most things on paper are a hawk 5 "killer" these days in terms of specs and features.... its an old model. however no copter with a 23 stator motor has gone faster so consistently. So it depends on what the word killer means to you.
@@AndyRCchannel oh thanks for the response. "Killer" not as in faster but more agile and better components all around. I'm considering a prebuilt 5" quad (already have 4s 1300 and a GoPro) and it seems the best option. Correct me if wrong or if you have a better suggestion. Thanks again
Hello Andy. Great review as always. I also bought this quad and I’m a Spektrum user. I somehow managed to mount a micro dsmx receiver on top of vtx. Is this a good idea when vtx is getting pretty hot during battery being pluged in? Thanks for the reply.
Pretty sure Albert Kim recommend the 3028 props because all he does is hover, he made a video were he 'fixed' the 349 with those props. They literally say indoor prop on the package lol.
@andyrc I'm trying to remember where your tune is located on the interweb for this 349. I have the hd version and would love to try your pid tune settings on it cause rn it just flys ok
I built my own 349, she's definitely fastest than my 4-6s 2306 setup. People will realize, why I made the switch this year to micro on multigp here in 3b!! Fun review, thanks andy!
@@AndyRCchannel less is more, and I literally look at pilots even being the noob with a year in..."do you like 10ft or 50ft when you make error?" Micros are where this hobby need to go...not x class lol
There's also the added possibility that the dud motor was failing slowly, the flight controller was compensating for this, and that is why you weren't getting higher top speeds. A long shot, for sure, but a possibility nonetheless.
i wouldnt rule it out however the motors were running smooth as a button and cold too. I had a heavy landing on its last run and didnt disarm quick enough. I think thats what did the motor.
Hello Andy do you know which solder pad I can use to solder on the smart Port rxsr receiver wire to. Not sure it's it's the RX or TX pad? Any help would be appreciated
I'm still confused how uav features got 113mph? I'm still getting this and hoping it's the fastest! Do you think that the xt60 makes it faster and also the weather?
5280 love is right. you only know its faster from looking at the radar results Ill do everything in my power to try get those numbers however I got a message from diatone this morning who claimed comparing the 349 to the s140 is like comparing a 1.8 turbo to a 2 litre turbo... So sounds to me like they dont have faith in the figures either. But its irrelevant. However as a fan of 3 inch and speed. If someone tells me its the fastest then im gonna put it against the fastest.
Thanks @Andyrc for everything mentioned. I have the HDmk2 version. Im assuming these pids will make the same changes for better flight. Do you have any other suggestions in configuration?
i have a gt 349 and 2 motor stop working but it came back on. the 2 motor now has like a gritty spin to it feels like a small peble in there but i don't see it and thgose 2 motors spin not so smooth like when new ,but all 4 still works
great review Andy. the 2 zip ties on arms are from the way they stop quad from moving about in transit. You must have been in a hurry to get this thing airborn.
ah yes interesting. mine were already cut but the box was sealed they must have tampered with it before it was sent or forgot to tie id down as there wasnt any ties on the other side
Very good video Andy. I'd guess an XT60 is going to look a bit silly if you keep the same gauge pigtail. TBF I feel you'd need to up-rate that too but I'd be very interested in the result.
Can the accuracy of the speed guns be checked? In other words, to find out the +/- error if no means to adjust it. And did Stu have a tail wind? I find these quads highly influenced in speed when going against or with the wind.
I don't think any of that really matters. The speed meter was to find consistencies with copters. This one has been checked against a police radar however and is accurate to the ones that put people in jail which is why it's used.
I love Diatone! I own the stretch gtm3 and the r249+. I added a speedybee tx500 20x20 to the stack on the 249+ to get 500mw, which is a great upgrade vs the runcam tx200.
andy, im putting this stack, motors, everything, on a Micro Alien 3inch -- i just like aliens, and i have a few 5 inches . i also have broken 3 diatone r349 frames already due to a problem on the fc of RXLOSS for no reason on multiple rxsrs . so im transplanting the r349 guts to this micro alien. do u think its still going to be super fast and awesome? using rline 850mah 95c's.
Hi Andy, great videos. I've got a gtr349 on the way from banggood. I only have a flysky fs i6 transmitter. What reciever would you recommend for it? I Would really appreciate the help.
Has anyone experienced or had a fly away or motor issue during flying? On the first maiden flight, I was testing in horizon mode it lost control and spinning away like crazy(fast). Also now the rear right motor is twitching on ARM(twitching but won't spin up like the others)(is this ESC or motor problem?). It was only about 20 feet high. I disarmed and it fell into the ground. One of the arm was bent. I'm ordering new frame now. Thanks.
RE: racing - The efficiency just isn't there. 3" freestyle is ok for flight times but when you want to wring the speed out of them the flight time drops fast. Jessika Droneheart did ok on a 4" flexrc ascent last year. My 6s rigs are definitely getting better efficiency and the acceleration on my lightweight 2205 and my high power 2208 rigs is definitely higher. I reckon *I* would probably do better racing a 3" over a 5" but I'm rubbish and I wouldn't be ragging it as hard as the better racers do. The level of throttle they flight at is insane, if you watch their vids the voltage just plummets then sticks at the bottom of the sag for the entire race. No doubt 3" is the fastest top speed unless you are doing something special on 5" though.
iv found that not to be the case. In these speed runs with 6S and 4S the battery is done in 2 mins. 3 inch goes for 3 mins and up to 5 mins taking it slow.
@@AndyRCchannel Maybe but that could be indicative of a higher power output at high speed rather than the rest of the time. For example a 5" has a x-sectional area of 4 and a 3" of 1 you'd expect the 5" to require more power at the top end but at some point below that reynolds numbers come into play much more.
Quick question Andy. I’ve just received my 349 and I was going to order the same batteries you recommend, however it’s a good job I didn’t order them as they had an XT60 connector but the quad is an XT30? What should I buy instead? Or do I convert it to XT60? Complete noob irl so really need some advice 🙏🏻
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Pretty hardy of you to be flying in 3C temps ... fingers get cold .. and toes and everything else. Well, tomorrow is the 1st day of Spring, so perhaps it will be warming up, but not around me for a while, as I live next to Lake Erie, which is still at 1C (33 deg. F). Finding the 'fastest' is an interesting quest, but, in the end, there's probably not much difference in the feel for a few MPH difference .. they're both fast. Thanks for the look. Cheers!
Yes but we had 30 deg c last summer yet in 3c it produced identical reaults proving that tempreature is not affecting the speed of a quadcopter unlike it does in golf. I think because a golf ball is aerodynamic for one and does not have a constant power source. I also believe with quadcopters they can only reach a certain speed before the rotors start to act as breaks from the drag. This is also true of helicopters which is why even the fastest full scale helicopters struggle to break 200mph
anyone please got a suggestion as to why my 349 just freaks out when armed. Props off, motors ect seem perfect and smooth, soon as props are on, arming it sends it mental, ive set the suggested pid etc as above, tried air mode on and off. I've even turned the esc startup power down to .50 from .75
It did. The motors haha. The radar is really accurate so unless it's really windy a copters top speed is usually consistent unless it's got a bonkers set up like the skyzone model which required the batteries to get ruined to hit the top speed by ramping them up and it usually only gets the highest figure once
So are you saying the skyzone only hits top speed once, but "normal" copters are consistent? You hit 104 five times in this video. Looked to be around 80 amps on the speed runs. At first I thought your comment about xt30 vs 60 was rubbish, but now that I see it's 80 amps,.....wow! I really appreciate your responses to posts. You, Joshua Bardwell, and Oscar Liang seem to go out of your way to comment and dispute your videos,.....even old ones. A lot of other folks are fire-and-forget on their videos, so the comments section is worthless. I probably spend more time reading comments as I do watching the video. I like to see others' points of view so that I'm not brainwashed by the single side of a video.
I have purchased all the DIATONE and the TMOTOR versions of these small kwads ...I have bee flying the 3" 349 every day with absolutely NO issues whatsoever ! NOTHING ! Using an 850 3S 75 c. my only complaint is the short flight times. 3 min max … I use that same MAMBA stack in many other ultralights I build. Diatone 515 frame with Cobra 1806 motors ... very inexpensive and rock solid.
I have the same speed gun so i could do the test myself but It is not really my interest. Iv found hand held guns to be less accurate due to human movement.
I believe replacing the xt30 by an xt60 will improve the results. The absence of voltage sag is suspicious. I think the xt30 might be limiting the current flow in this one. Anyway, great review!
voltage sag is a cause of a connector not being big enough. so id say that wasnt the reason. I will try regardles..... when i have soldered a new motor
But Andy, destroying batteries for fun on huge speed is the main cause why racing/freestyle quadcopters exist. Because why have a quad capable to reach light speed if you are not doing that? For slow cursing around I can buy MJX Bugs or some even slower toy quad. By the way thanks about idea to replace battery connector to XT60 again.
Can you buy recommend a similar machine for use with the split mini for freestyle HD footage? Or best to buy one of these & change the frame? Or could I modify the camera mount by 3d printing something on my geeetech a30 to get the props out of view?
freestyle isnt about speed. and seen as the split tyle cams are 50gbp each they arnt going to be as cheap as this. the cygnet is my favorite one if that helps but its not gonna have the speed of this one
@@AndyRCchannel I have a DJI P4, had a Cheerson & Hubsans before that. I want to get into indoor & outdoor acro so thinking Tinyhawk RTF & spend £150 on quad /batteries /receiver. 6months with that & then build something myself, buy fatsharks & a proper transmitter. But for now £300 to get started with FPV & HD footage - what would recommend? HD recording & no props or jello are essential 👍
@@essex0chris you Said HD. the tinyhawk isnt HD do you mean the tiny leader? the mobula 7 HD is the only one that doesnt get jello outside for me. Cheers
@@AndyRCchannel oh the Tinyhawk is just for fun & practice indoors - the 3inch quad would be for freestyle & HD recording. Tinyhawk rtf kit seems a perfect fpv starter kit for sub £150. Then spend £150 on another quad & use the tx & goggles from the kit. At least for 3-6 months
Hi Andy, Love your vids. I thought I heard you say you changed a couple pids. I have this drone and I cant seem to find that in the video looking again. I did change the antenna to a lollipop 2 fits just off the back, seem to help my video. Edit: i found the pids the one thing I FFed through the speed runs around 15mins in my bad thx andy for the settings
Is it normal for the motors to get warm (not burns you hot just warm) after hovering for about 10 seconds to make sure controls were all set up well or do i need to change some settings from stock? Using a tattu rline 850 my first small 4s brushless quad so i might be a bit over cautious lol
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0:00 Gt-R349 Vs Other models
5:15 Specs - Pros + Cons
10:44 What Else You Get
14:17 Flights + Speed Runs
21:16 Conclusion
Its FAST!!!!!! Wow!!!!!
About your smoked motor: A bad ESC will kill a motor real quick. I have had brand new motors burn up instantly when I replaced a burned out one with a new one, only to discover the ESC was the problem. ESC's have a collection of mosfets on them, which are inclined to fail "shorted", so a good way to check your ESC's before replacing a burned motor is to remove your motor leads, and check between the esc output terminals for continuity. 1-2, 2-3, 1-3. if you have continuity on any of those, then your new motor will be destroyed the moment you power up.
This is my first non-whoop quad so the silicone mat placement and battery strap routing was news to me and very helpful - I've now changed mine. Cheers!
My gtr 349 was a beast it took an absolute beating and just kept going
Excellent test and results Andy. I love how the S140 continues to mock the other racers.
Nothing has beat the Skyzone x140 for me not even the Diatone...those 1506 motors are beast..
I agree. realy worried the new ones will some how not perform. but also excited to try.
Hey are you going to do a toothpick type build 65mm props and 1103 motors..I have been trying to Eachine to make a premade one..
@@royfryman2196 nah Been there and done that years ago it just seems to have come around again. 3 inch is where its at for me for speed and cinecopters (cygnet) uk65 for indoor whooping. mobula7hd for big indoor hd fun and 5 inch freestyle with props out of shot for the smooth gopro stuff
I am an electrical tech by trade. If the XT30 is limiting current flow, it absolutely makes sense that it is not sagging the battery voltage as badly. So it makes sense to me that an XT60 could help flow more current and possibly make more power rated in watts (amperage x voltage) and make the craft faster.
Thanks for the tune, I just flew with your pids and they feel good. Thanks a lot
Where can I get the tune?
@@halohub101 where????
I loaded your PIDs on my GT-R349, and for some reason it would cause it to take off the moment I armed (like maybe 10% throttle)! I changed the PIDs back to what came with it, and everything went back to normal. So strange! I may dig into it further, but it looks like I should just suck it up and tune it myself.
Uhhh... nevermind. It's happening with the original PIDs as well. I think there may be something wrong with my FC.
Okay, final check-in here. I had loaded a pre-release version of Betaflight 4.0, and I think that's what was messing up my GT-R349. Once I re-loaded v3.5.X it flew just fine. I've done several flights to verify this.
@@ptuxbury have you updated to 4.0 again since? Had this problem and was wondering if it is present in the stable release of 4.0
@@AndyRCchannel I flashed 3.5.1 on it with your pids and it flies great now. 👍
I appreciate the work you put in this, your LOS start-ups are much appreciated.. Thanks Andy.
I think stu's was a bit flawed by the moving handheld speedgun. Still an awesome flight and great quad for the money
I've noticed you do run your batteries pretty hard in some of your videos.
I'm glad your back up and making content. Great review.
Andy the mounting holes for the camera can break off in a crash. Also BG doesn't sell just the top plate by itself. Not enough up tilt for the camera available. Carbon fiber bottom plate is holding up but delaminates at the motor mounts
I thought the camera tilt was fine? in fact borderline crazy tilt but I guess everyone different. It comes with three canopies and im sure there will be spares... its a new model. If not diatone.hk would definitely get you one. even if its not listen an email would get you one.
@@AndyRCchannel Yes indeed. Very happy they included spares. Btw I would love to see a speed test of the 2.5" version. I actually bought that one..😎
I love my R349. Definetly a lot more fun then my 5".
I usually don't like using others PID because I've had a few bad experiences trying that. Not the case with Andy's PIDS. Quad feels Super locked in. Extremely grateful. Thanks again
You should not put any D on the yaw axis. Just creates oscillations. See your blackbox log
@@N3name will try removing it. Thanks for the heads up
Much appreciated
Your PID are fantastic for my gtr349 HD . Flips stop on a dime, in the same spot. Thanks so much Andy
where is the pids?
Great presentation as usual Andy. PIDs are not clear on screen. Do you have a download somewhere? Thanks.
ive flown my r349 about 3 times with stock pids and it seemed to drift around turns really badly. i put your pids in today and its locked in! thanks andy :)
I have had my 349 before Stew even done a review on it. And i have built a lot of 3inch builds before i purchased the 349. And i was so impressed with its performance that i sold my other 3 inch builds. It consistently runs over 105mph easy! I think you might have got one with a bum motor. Because i crashed mine a lot and still holding up great! I also got four more quads running this mamba stack and have had very good luck with them all. Great review keep up the good work😀
how are you measuring the speed? the motor only died after a lot of flights. I very much doubt it is the issue, In fact since making this video Im ahead of it and had another motor burn out flying the model like this.....also 105? thought it meant to do 113?
@@AndyRCchannel I actually have a similar set up as you do! A simple Ball Coach on a tripod. To be fair about it my 4s packs has a lot of cycles on them. So im yet to run it on a fresh new pack yet.😀
I had the same problem with a motor smoking on the GT 349 and the quad wasn't even in the air. I had just crashed and I did find the 1st arm was cracked so I just assumed it was from that but we shall see.
I love mine! Been flying it since it’s first release in November before Christmas. 4s 850 I use with GF Flash 3”. Such a great quad and bang per buck!!! I did blow one FC in a crash (Bec died).
Just cooked my second one... first one had a bad camera out of the box, then crashed the second one and one of the motors wouldnt work, back to the original one was working fine till yesterday , plugged in a battery and shot fire out the side of the stack! Cant say im too impressed with the reliability of these but they fly nice when they work!
I've been saying for ages that 3" is where its at and I'm so happy seeing RTF makers take advantage of what happens at this scale with weight vs thrust vs drag
I think its 4 inch. I am newbie that build all sizes for self educational purpose and I find the 4" with 1408 or 1507 motors depends on your flight style.
Same battery 4s from 5 inch is more efficient on 4 inch 1507 motor then 2206
but 2206. perhaps 18xx for the 5 inch prop on light frame.
As a newbie I dont understand why 4" is almost totally disregarded from these hobby... Am I missing something?
There should be 3rd class for people like to fly it like an airplane. Efficient, long distance and light. I rather add 50 grams of battery to my drone then carbon / titanium reinforcements. I am not planning to crash flying 10M+ above tree lines.
Thanks for the review Andy... I'm a little disappointed it's not number 1, as I have pre-ordered the unify version, but in reality I'm never going to notice the difference...lol
yes only the meter tells you there is a difference. you cannot tell in the air and they just both feel bonkers fast
104mph for $139 US is amazing. Can't wait to see if a fresh motor changes the results. I feel like it must have been a manufacturer defect.
Never truly realized how quick my 349 was until my buddy recorded line of sight ... It's insane! Had half a dozen people saying that had to be atleast 100mPh
Hi Andy, i was thinking that at more than 100mph the AERODINAMIC it's fondamental so the difference in speed could be ALSO due to the shape of the quads...do you never had considered that ?
If you are refering to how the antennas are mounted then yes I have and it would be reflected in more amp draw if it was a factor. when the copter is in forward motion like that its almost vertical. the props are blocking any drag caused by the antennas. Its brute force which is needed and considering the diatone sagged much less than the skyzone Id say thats some good evidence.
@@AndyRCchannel i was referring to all the shape, so yes, also the little antenna could impact but also the arms thickness and the the canopy on the body, but probably you are right when say that first of all it's a question of motor's brute force
Hi Andy
I wondered could you show how you wired up the RXSR for telemetry I have searched and asked Diatone but I find it quite confusing
Thanks in anticipation
Wez
also interested in this
Sweet looking quad and awesome value for the price. I'm tempted to order one even though I certainly do not need due to my backlog and models I need to fix.
It would be interesting to see if there was a difference with an xt60. There was some comments from people on UAVs review saying there is a substantial bottleneck in power of you or an xt30.
the Xt30 is capable of 87 amps. the battery used is 850mah X 95C = 80 A. If its a bottle neck why did it not sag to 11v like the one that did 112mph?
@@AndyRCchannel I said the same as you although I never had the full details of how many amps an xt30 is actually capable of. What gauge wire is on the xt30 connector? Is it a lower gauge? Although wouldn;t logic suggest that you will get battery sag when the amps are pulling at their highest. If you are not getting sag you are not pulling enough amps to get the sag?
@@JonathanHeavyside well not really, the guage wire is designed for an XT30 so adding an Xt60 should then bottle neck at the guage wire. its also important to note in the test where an XT60 was used, the battery used was an infinity 70C 850mah so 850mah x 70 = 59 amps which is within the tolerance of an xt30 and under the tollerance of an XT60. the battery I used is 95c which would make it 80.2 amps however I have measured it on an accurate current meter pulling 87 amps. From my experience extreme voltage sag and also shown in this video extreme voltage sag is caused by the battery not being able to deliver enough amps that it needs so the copter takes more than it can handle and drops to 11 volts. no voltage sag in all of my speed tests has resulted in there not being enough demand for more current.
@@AndyRCchannel I get you. makes sense when you describe it like that. The bottom line is it is not as fast as it has been touted elsewhere but it is still excellent. And amazing value. I am majorly interested in this sub micro class that seems to be emerging on the kk65 props. I've got 2 to build
@@JonathanHeavyside I agree great value. sadly diatone are seeing this as a negative review when its not.
Hello Andy, I'm building this drone Diatone GT r349 from ground up, and I have a question about the jst molex wire connectors that are used for the beepers and receivers, (also like the ones that are found on the tx 200u vtx, cameras etc). Could you tell me where I can find them? Thank you so much in advance...cheers!
Great review as always. Mine seems to be coming by camel...you get used to waiting when you buy with cheap/free postage. I like to forget and then be surprised when things arrive ! Happy flying now the wind has finally died down...tried in 50mph gusts last week...goes East really really fast...
Hi Andy, thanks for your great channel (:
Can you please upload the CLI ? i cant get to the 933 deg/s from the picture on the review
BTW, how can i join the Roll/Pitch together on the "RC Rate" & RC Expo"?
Thanks in advance
Udi
just ordered mine !! a few mph shouldnt matter ,, after 100 it is all skill ,, speed helps , but in the end it is all skill and luck ,, and whoever was the quickest with the sticks too ,, love watching your videos ,, only been flyiing for 2 years now and only fpv for half that ,, but i love it ,, and cant wait to get mine in th email ,, i almost bought the little 3 inch eaachine wizard 6s, until i seen it wont fly with it ,, this one was same price ,, and again thanks
I put an xt60 on mine. I don't know what amperage the XT30 is actually rated for (amass doesn't say) but I see Amp draws over 60 and that just too much for an XT30 for me. Check out where I put my rx in my review video.
the answer to all your questions are in the vid and have a read down some of the comments also. cheers
From Amass XT30 data sheet XT30 connectors are supposed for constant 15A current with 30A bursts (2-3 sec).
www.china-amass.com/product/contain/Ydir1N5452923M63
For battery used in Andy's tests 80C current is 68A which is double of allowed. If current reading in DVR video is approximately correct then current draw was nearly 3 times exceeded. Instant melting current of conductors inside connector is around 100A so you can reach this near-melting current draw by cost of voltage sag because of temperature induced increased resistance. Also this current draw will destroy both quad and battery connectors very soon. If you wish to fly fast, change connector to XT60 - it is only a gram heavier, will not fry and battery will sag less.
Thanks Andy, love your reviews. I have this model on order and it should be here next week. I plan to fly it alot, I hope the motor does not burn up like yours. Speaking of motors do you think the previous 3 inch version with the Sunnysky motors are better than the Mamba motors? The motor shaft on the Sunnysky looks bigger and less likely to bend in a crash?
I think the sunnysky motor is better myself yes but not by much
Love your videos buddy, would be so kind to let us know how u change the mw’s on this 349, thanks
Two questions: what are your pids and where did you mount the reciever?
Both questions are answered in the video? 8:40 and 15:05
Hey Andy, I got the gt r39 but didnt like the tune that came with it, now I flashed it to bt 4.xx and the tune you had gets motors hot and performs really bad. Could you take a look at 349 again with new bf 4.xx tune? Love your channel and all the vids you do btw, been a hardcore subber since 4 years ago
My tune is for betaflight 3.5.5
@@AndyRCchannel i know, but could you look at the pid tune for 4.05? i know i am asking for alot... sorry
andy! another great review! thanks for details and loads of information about this drone compared to others! :D cheers! greets from FPV poland!
Where can you get replacement tbs vtx for these? Can’t find them anywhere 😣
andy i run a progect in grimsby helping kids to fly instead of trouble and have been donated a fare bit.just wondering if you sell any of these kwads cheaper as would love a couple more to our group.
I give them to a local charity as I cannot afford the postage, Im hoping patreon numbers can go up so I can start choosing others Cheers
My batt strap was like yours, not great if you want to use a non slip pad with the strap there, I changed mine too.
I'm looking to maiden mine tomorrow!! Pumped! Side question, could/would your PID tune affect top speed?
Also, in order for telemetry to work with the RXSR the wire at the pin connector will not work for this stack. You need to solder onto the opposite-inverted pad on the RXSR for telemetry to register. So unfortunately it is not plug an play capable. I suppose there is another way to use the PPM signal however it is more complicated.
That is correct but surely they could solder the wire for you? or have another inverted pad? I mean they have the buzzer wire there for you if u want it. The pid tune does not affect top speed. I got oscilations with the stock tune and it still hit 104mph. I imagine an unflyable pid tune would have an effect.
@@AndyRCchannelthanks for the info about the tune. I really wasn't sure.
As for the telemetry pad, I'm not sure how it all works, or why you can't use the wire in the receiver's connector as is. I only know that with the mamba stacks in order to get telemetry to work you're going to need to solder directly to the receiver. With that being the case, there's no way to make it PNP.
My GT2.5M was the same way. My goal was to say that telemetry is possible on this quad, but you've gotta solder to get it.
Regardless of all that, truly... great review!
The problem is that frsky telemetry (sport) is an inverted protocol the same as sbus. F4 processors don't have invertible serial ports built in, so the F4 FC designers usually add an external inverter to one of the serial ports (RX pin) - for Sbus. The telemetry though is sent from the FC TO the control RX (e.g. to RXSR) so needs an inverted TX pin on an additional FC serial port. Most F4 FC designers don't provide support for an additional invertable TX pin, and usually not for ANY invertible TX pin anyway. So as you said, the usual solution is to tap into an non-inverted telemetry input on the receiver - if there is one.
The other solution, is to use soft-serial. This is a virtual serial port, emulated in software (FC firmware). Soft-serial serial ports DO provide the ability to run inverted, so pose no problem for inverted protocols such as sbus and sport. Note that soft-serial is not fast enough on F4 for a reliable control link (e.g. sbus). Max soft-serial speed is 57600baud. But it can do sport (which is unfortunately locked at 57600). You do need to have all soft-serial ports running at the same speed btw. It will cause additional cpu load, so that you'd probably want to cut from 8k/8k back to 4k/4k. I'm fine with that, probably can't feel the difference :).
Setting up soft-serial is not trivial, but also not difficult once you get the hang of it. In the CLI use the resource command. The idea is to reallocate unused CPU input and output pins that are available on the FC pads. Pins such as motor5, motor6, led output, buzzer, current sense, voltage sense, rssi input, etc etc.
As an example, I have a wiring plan for the Tyro79 FC (has 2 hardware serial ports + USB), creating two soft-serial ports (using motor5, motor6, current and rssi), allowing all of Sbus, smart-audio, telemetry and GPS. Not tested yet.
I got a gtM3 frame and put a hglrc F440 stack with BH avenger 1507 4100kv motors with the HQ VS1 props. It is way too fast for my skill level, but it's a blast to fly and the frame is very durable. I have an XT60 on my quad. I think it may actually make a significant difference. Next build will be using 1606 4000kv emax motors. I'm sure it'll rip even more than my last build. However, my favorite micro frame is the catalyst Machine works more massive drone. That sucker is insane with the avenger motors!
If the battery had sagged like the S140 did then I would say an xt30 would be the reason but it didnt. It suggests that is not the issue. If it can cope with less sag on an xt30 then I dont think an xt60 is gonna add anything other than weight but I will try regardless. IMO you kinda need to change the cable as well as the XT60 because if the connector size is bigger than the gauge wire its still a bottleneck via the wire. Also as I mentioned In other video iv seen xt30s cope with 87 amps. The 4s battery here is 850mah 95c. 95X 850 = 80amp. So its within the tolerance of the xt30
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Vudeja I have the same stack and the same motors, but on the Toothfairy 3" frame. I'm using XT30 connector with GNB 4s 850mah using GF 3052 Flash props. It is faster than my 5" on 5s. Still surprises me after a year of flying this beast. Don't think the xt30 is necessarily the issue, but hey maybe I could get better performance out of XT60?! Guess I'll have to give it a try at some point!
Thanks!
I don't think replacing the xt30 would help, as you would see a large voltage drop if xt30 was too small. Probably motors real kv is a bit lower like 3800 or so, that would also explain the low current draw.
I agree
Can you please do a video on the Diatone M540? Its a hawk 5 killer from the reviews but I trust your reviews more...
most things on paper are a hawk 5 "killer" these days in terms of specs and features.... its an old model. however no copter with a 23 stator motor has gone faster so consistently. So it depends on what the word killer means to you.
@@AndyRCchannel oh thanks for the response. "Killer" not as in faster but more agile and better components all around. I'm considering a prebuilt 5" quad (already have 4s 1300 and a GoPro) and it seems the best option. Correct me if wrong or if you have a better suggestion. Thanks again
@@maplefpv ive had both go with the 540 6s version
Hello Andy. Great review as always. I also bought this quad and I’m a Spektrum user. I somehow managed to mount a micro dsmx receiver on top of vtx. Is this a good idea when vtx is getting pretty hot during battery being pluged in? Thanks for the reply.
Pretty sure Albert Kim recommend the 3028 props because all he does is hover, he made a video were he 'fixed' the 349 with those props.
They literally say indoor prop on the package lol.
No comment ;-)
@andyrc I'm trying to remember where your tune is located on the interweb for this 349. I have the hd version and would love to try your pid tune settings on it cause rn it just flys ok
I built my own 349, she's definitely fastest than my 4-6s 2306 setup. People will realize, why I made the switch this year to micro on multigp here in 3b!! Fun review, thanks andy!
I agree thanks for watching. Hard to get a five inch over 100mph and have it stop as fast as a 3 inch
@@AndyRCchannel less is more, and I literally look at pilots even being the noob with a year in..."do you like 10ft or 50ft when you make error?" Micros are where this hobby need to go...not x class lol
There's also the added possibility that the dud motor was failing slowly, the flight controller was compensating for this, and that is why you weren't getting higher top speeds. A long shot, for sure, but a possibility nonetheless.
i wouldnt rule it out however the motors were running smooth as a button and cold too. I had a heavy landing on its last run and didnt disarm quick enough. I think thats what did the motor.
"On that bombshell". Top Gear maybe? 😄
Common phrase/term (bombsell) made more popular by Top Gear, but it didn`t come from there lol, just you know, putting that out there :p
@@afrog2666 Yes I am aware of this. And?
Hello Andy do you know which solder pad I can use to solder on the smart Port rxsr receiver wire to. Not sure it's it's the RX or TX pad? Any help would be appreciated
I'm still confused how uav features got 113mph? I'm still getting this and hoping it's the fastest! Do you think that the xt60 makes it faster and also the weather?
Top speed isnt everything. This drone is amazing in throttle response and maneuverability. Its not often you get to max your speed out anyway.
5280 love is right. you only know its faster from looking at the radar results Ill do everything in my power to try get those numbers however I got a message from diatone this morning who claimed comparing the 349 to the s140 is like comparing a 1.8 turbo to a 2 litre turbo... So sounds to me like they dont have faith in the figures either. But its irrelevant. However as a fan of 3 inch and speed. If someone tells me its the fastest then im gonna put it against the fastest.
Thanks @Andyrc for everything mentioned. I have the HDmk2 version. Im assuming these pids will make the same changes for better flight. Do you have any other suggestions in configuration?
Can you post your beta flight settings? I'm not great with them and would enjoy seeing what you came up with.
Id suggest you watch my £100 build where i extensively cover off betaflight and then the only difference is the pids which is shown in this vid
@@AndyRCchannel I will do that!
Just became a patreon supporter! Thanks for the excellent content 👍
i have a gt 349 and 2 motor stop working but it came back on. the 2 motor now has like a gritty spin to it feels like a small peble in there but i don't see it and thgose 2 motors spin not so smooth like when new ,but all 4 still works
could have some dirt in there best to take the bell off and get a toothbrush in there. cheers
I have had 3 motors fail back to back my issues was loose magnets made it sound like that.
I preordered mine but it's the TBS VTX edition. Says it will ship March 30. Excellent review Andy!!
Me too
@@Nagamooto Me three
me 4 and its been delayed lol
Andy I notice on this you are using D on Yaw for your PIDs? This is usually not recommended I think on 3.5?
has anyone got a Hi Res picture of Andy's PID flash up. my eyes aren't good ans when i make a jpeg of it i can't make out the numbers.
great review Andy. the 2 zip ties on arms are from the way they stop quad from moving about in transit. You must have been in a hurry to get this thing airborn.
ah yes interesting. mine were already cut but the box was sealed they must have tampered with it before it was sent or forgot to tie id down as there wasnt any ties on the other side
Very good video Andy. I'd guess an XT60 is going to look a bit silly if you keep the same gauge pigtail. TBF I feel you'd need to up-rate that too but I'd be very interested in the result.
I agree. Cheers
Can the accuracy of the speed guns be checked? In other words, to find out the +/- error if no means to adjust it. And did Stu have a tail wind? I find these quads highly influenced in speed when going against or with the wind.
I don't think any of that really matters. The speed meter was to find consistencies with copters. This one has been checked against a police radar however and is accurate to the ones that put people in jail which is why it's used.
Good, thorough review. Nice job, Andy.
I love Diatone! I own the stretch gtm3 and the r249+. I added a speedybee tx500 20x20 to the stack on the 249+ to get 500mw, which is a great upgrade vs the runcam tx200.
andy, im putting this stack, motors, everything, on a Micro Alien 3inch -- i just like aliens, and i have a few 5 inches . i also have broken 3 diatone r349 frames already due to a problem on the fc of RXLOSS for no reason on multiple rxsrs . so im transplanting the r349 guts to this micro alien. do u think its still going to be super fast and awesome? using rline 850mah 95c's.
Hi Andy, great videos. I've got a gtr349 on the way from banggood. I only have a flysky fs i6 transmitter. What reciever would you recommend for it? I Would really appreciate the help.
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Has anyone experienced or had a fly away or motor issue during flying?
On the first maiden flight, I was testing in horizon mode it lost control and spinning away like crazy(fast). Also now the rear right motor is twitching on ARM(twitching but won't spin up like the others)(is this ESC or motor problem?). It was only about 20 feet high. I disarmed and it fell into the ground. One of the arm was bent. I'm ordering new frame now. Thanks.
Hi Andy, will I have to solder a fli14+ receiver to the FC or will I be able to plug it in like the frsky one
RE: racing - The efficiency just isn't there. 3" freestyle is ok for flight times but when you want to wring the speed out of them the flight time drops fast. Jessika Droneheart did ok on a 4" flexrc ascent last year. My 6s rigs are definitely getting better efficiency and the acceleration on my lightweight 2205 and my high power 2208 rigs is definitely higher. I reckon *I* would probably do better racing a 3" over a 5" but I'm rubbish and I wouldn't be ragging it as hard as the better racers do. The level of throttle they flight at is insane, if you watch their vids the voltage just plummets then sticks at the bottom of the sag for the entire race. No doubt 3" is the fastest top speed unless you are doing something special on 5" though.
iv found that not to be the case. In these speed runs with 6S and 4S the battery is done in 2 mins. 3 inch goes for 3 mins and up to 5 mins taking it slow.
@@AndyRCchannel Maybe but that could be indicative of a higher power output at high speed rather than the rest of the time. For example a 5" has a x-sectional area of 4 and a 3" of 1 you'd expect the 5" to require more power at the top end but at some point below that reynolds numbers come into play much more.
I've been waiting for your review on this quad. great vid! just wondering if you had similar PIDs on the HGLRC XJB-145?
the pids are in the video and no they are different mostly because of betaflight version
Quick question Andy. I’ve just received my 349 and I was going to order the same batteries you recommend, however it’s a good job I didn’t order them as they had an XT60 connector but the quad is an XT30? What should I buy instead? Or do I convert it to XT60? Complete noob irl so really need some advice 🙏🏻
Hey mate, I took a punt on the asteroid 3 from hobbycool. 1505 4300kv, blheli 32. Should be interesting in terms of the fastest bnf 😁
whats interesting about that one is the 6s version if you do the calculations it revs giher but what battery do you use? im gonna ask em
I love that battery!! Rline Tattu 850mah 4S I was flying a XJB145 on one just now. No sag!
Where can we find the most recent/updated pids from Diatone?
diatone-innovations.myshopify.com/pages/default-pnp-drone-tunes
@@marathi22 thank you :)
Morning sir ! how's your neck getting on?
hope you are past the worst and not being daft pushing yourself!
great video as always
best wishes
feeling better thank you
what do you think about this setup Andy? R349 + frsky q x7 + ev100 ?
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i havent flown a 5 inch for so long now but last time it felt big and slow compared to my 3 inch
would buy this in a flash great price
Pretty hardy of you to be flying in 3C temps ... fingers get cold .. and toes and everything else. Well, tomorrow is the 1st day of Spring, so perhaps it will be warming up, but not around me for a while, as I live next to Lake Erie, which is still at 1C (33 deg. F). Finding the 'fastest' is an interesting quest, but, in the end, there's probably not much difference in the feel for a few MPH difference .. they're both fast. Thanks for the look. Cheers!
Ironically I think we had 11 deg C today but it was windy so glad I got it in on the 0 wind day even if it looks miserable haha cheers Bill
If you want to see how much speed this thing can do, why not try the racekraft five blade props?!
Iv heard they are terrible?
Also remember, Andy, that summers in Australia and England are far, far, far from the same thing :P
Yes but we had 30 deg c last summer yet in 3c it produced identical reaults proving that tempreature is not affecting the speed of a quadcopter unlike it does in golf. I think because a golf ball is aerodynamic for one and does not have a constant power source. I also believe with quadcopters they can only reach a certain speed before the rotors start to act as breaks from the drag. This is also true of helicopters which is why even the fastest full scale helicopters struggle to break 200mph
anyone please got a suggestion as to why my 349 just freaks out when armed. Props off, motors ect seem perfect and smooth, soon as props are on, arming it sends it mental, ive set the suggested pid etc as above, tried air mode on and off. I've even turned the esc startup power down to .50 from .75
You have a link for me wich reciever i can connect it tho i was thinking about a flysky.
Interesting that it pegged at 104 every time. Almost seems like it had an amp limiter.
It did. The motors haha. The radar is really accurate so unless it's really windy a copters top speed is usually consistent unless it's got a bonkers set up like the skyzone model which required the batteries to get ruined to hit the top speed by ramping them up and it usually only gets the highest figure once
So are you saying the skyzone only hits top speed once, but "normal" copters are consistent? You hit 104 five times in this video. Looked to be around 80 amps on the speed runs. At first I thought your comment about xt30 vs 60 was rubbish, but now that I see it's 80 amps,.....wow!
I really appreciate your responses to posts. You, Joshua Bardwell, and Oscar Liang seem to go out of your way to comment and dispute your videos,.....even old ones. A lot of other folks are fire-and-forget on their videos, so the comments section is worthless. I probably spend more time reading comments as I do watching the video. I like to see others' points of view so that I'm not brainwashed by the single side of a video.
I recently built a home printed 3" with HGLRC428 stack and Tornado T1 motors....it's scary on 4S!
Bob Bateman how does it hold up on crashes? Can you share the STL files?
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I have purchased all the DIATONE and the TMOTOR versions of these small kwads ...I have bee flying the 3" 349 every day with absolutely NO issues whatsoever ! NOTHING ! Using an 850 3S 75 c. my only complaint is the short flight times. 3 min max … I use that same MAMBA stack in many other ultralights I build. Diatone 515 frame with Cobra 1806 motors ... very inexpensive and rock solid.
Next test.... give your S140 to Stu to see if for him it goes faster. If you really want to try narrow what is the differences in measurements.
I have the same speed gun so i could do the test myself but It is not really my interest. Iv found hand held guns to be less accurate due to human movement.
I believe replacing the xt30 by an xt60 will improve the results. The absence of voltage sag is suspicious. I think the xt30 might be limiting the current flow in this one. Anyway, great review!
voltage sag is a cause of a connector not being big enough. so id say that wasnt the reason. I will try regardles..... when i have soldered a new motor
beautiful quad and i love your review. thanks Andy, best wishes for you :)
But Andy, destroying batteries for fun on huge speed is the main cause why racing/freestyle quadcopters exist. Because why have a quad capable to reach light speed if you are not doing that? For slow cursing around I can buy MJX Bugs or some even slower toy quad.
By the way thanks about idea to replace battery connector to XT60 again.
You need to replace the wire as well as the connector. Cheers
Can you buy recommend a similar machine for use with the split mini for freestyle HD footage? Or best to buy one of these & change the frame? Or could I modify the camera mount by 3d printing something on my geeetech a30 to get the props out of view?
freestyle isnt about speed. and seen as the split tyle cams are 50gbp each they arnt going to be as cheap as this. the cygnet is my favorite one if that helps but its not gonna have the speed of this one
@@AndyRCchannel I have a DJI P4, had a Cheerson & Hubsans before that. I want to get into indoor & outdoor acro so thinking Tinyhawk RTF & spend £150 on quad /batteries /receiver. 6months with that & then build something myself, buy fatsharks & a proper transmitter.
But for now £300 to get started with FPV & HD footage - what would recommend? HD recording & no props or jello are essential 👍
@@essex0chris you Said HD. the tinyhawk isnt HD do you mean the tiny leader? the mobula 7 HD is the only one that doesnt get jello outside for me. Cheers
@@AndyRCchannel oh the Tinyhawk is just for fun & practice indoors - the 3inch quad would be for freestyle & HD recording.
Tinyhawk rtf kit seems a perfect fpv starter kit for sub £150. Then spend £150 on another quad & use the tx & goggles from the kit. At least for 3-6 months
Hi Andy, Love your vids. I thought I heard you say you changed a couple pids. I have this drone and I cant seem to find that in the video looking again. I did change the antenna to a lollipop 2 fits just off the back, seem to help my video.
Edit: i found the pids the one thing I FFed through the speed runs around 15mins in my bad thx andy for the settings
no worries the videos are long. cheers
Is it normal for the motors to get warm (not burns you hot just warm) after hovering for about 10 seconds to make sure controls were all set up well or do i need to change some settings from stock? Using a tattu rline 850 my first small 4s brushless quad so i might be a bit over cautious lol
Yes and when you just fly is will be cooler. I know it's weird but true form my experience form Airplanes to drones.
Would u ever do meet ups like a uk flight fest
ill be at mini airshow 5 and western park this year. come say hello. Cheers
Good honest review Andy
Hey Andy, do you think this is gonna be any good for some freestyle ?
sure but not for hd footage
@@AndyRCchannel Wouldn't the split version of it make up for that if one doesn't mind seeing the props in the video ?
any chance of the beta flight setup as in the tyro build?got this quad but gets really hot after a few seconds flight?would a loose stack cause this?
I think that's why they have changed the props you know...
AndyRC i am on the new props but 4s ive just gone through it all and going to try on a 3s. got the hglrc 145 to bind and try to