Grisaille underpainting is a very old painting technique where the artist uses neutral colors (grisaille is French for 'grayness') to paint the picture and ensure the contrast levels are where they want them, and then thinned transparent paints are used to color it in. We've simply adapted it to mini painting.
True. So true. Working with transparent is actually more complicated than it seems, than traditional painting with opaque paints. Elitist painters can be so amusing. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Haters are gonna hate…keep up gods work Don. You clearly have a superior grasp of color theory, brush control, paint techniques, etc. Love the videos man…they motivate me to improve on my own painting journey!
Yeah! Kinda weird, since I saw the commenter double and triple down last night. Unfortunately, I think he deleted his comments OR UA-cam removed the discourse. 😊
@@DonSuratos Unfortunately, I know a lot of guys like this. And not just when it comes to painting. Printing your minis is frowned upon by elitists (GW fan(atic)s especially), collecting bootleg figures is frowned upon (I just want a pretty figurine of my favorite fictional character, and don't want to break the bank paying for an overpriced product, just cause it's "original" or licensed, and this is why I love McFarlane products), using AI to boost your products (ok, this is a grey area, but still), and so on.
You did a splendid with the speedpaint slap chop on the Cthulu miniature. Foxbite brushes are decent contrast/shade wash tools, including for acrylic paints.
The painting over a grey undertone that sets the the highlights and shadow is "grisaille" , a method used by many old masters. It's painting! Keep up the great work Don. Kind regards to you and your family.
Definitely painting. Have you tried this method on a mid-value primer with a warm or cool tone like Vallejo skeleton bone or desert tan, instead of a black primer? If you have, could you make a video of the results?
I’ve tried just warm-ish grey priner, then white drybrushing. The result is okay. But I had to apply more washes on the crevices to build more contrast. 😊
Love your videos Don, and I do like this method. I don't have all day or time to do highlights and more advanced methods, and this one does produces good results and bonus: I enjoy it more because It looks so nice and I can paint faster.
Superb stuff Don and excellent work. Have been painting miniatures over 40 years and some of those at a professional level for magazine adverts. Speed painting to me is a another painting technique and equally valid as any other. Keep up the good work
I've seen your videos painting miniatures with oil paints. Great videos! This is my first time seeing the chop-on-chop. I wouldn't have thought of dry-brushing over slap-chop, brilliant! I thin down my speed paints and do multiple layers and wet blending but seeing the depth of color with chop-on-chop?! You've given me another tool to experiment with and improve my painting. Thank you! Subbed so I won't miss anything else!
Anyone who says using speed paints isn't painting probably doesn't use them. People watch pro painters on UA-cam and think it looks easy. But using speed paints is a skill itself. I use contrast paints and while my army looks good my skills aren't at your level yet. I am getting a set of speed paints because of your videos so I can see how they work for me. Keep up the videos I love them.
I loved the thumbnail quote... by Einstein! Haha. Two levels: first, mocking. 😊 second, sooo many misquotes attributed to Einstein. I can just imagine him layering with his frizzy hair, chaffed at speedpaint 2.0! Amazing art, man. Ty for covering different techniques.
Speed paints see some occasional use on my end, and even though the majority of my painting is still straight up acrylic, I'm not going to crack on others for using them. I've learned they have a place in my painting repertoire and even though I don't fancy giving GW my money, Army Painter's Speedpaints 2.0 will do me just fine. Besides, you do some really good work with them, Don, so I can't say anything bad anyway.
Elitists suck at any level, so good for you Don! I'm so tired of "eavy metal" style mini painters crapping on speedpaint just to boost their fragile egos.
If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool
What a weird take. To be completely honest, I don't use Speedpaints, but thats because I've just never been able to get them to look right to me, so I just kind of gave up on using them. I just use colors a few shades darker than what I want to work up to, layering up those highlights, while leaving the shaded areas the color of the basecoat. What I love about that method is you dont have to use a lot of washes, if at all. But to say what method of painting is, or is not painting is just weird to me. One thing I love about this hobby is that in the short time I've been into it, I've never really noticed a lot of gatekeeping, and it would really be cool if it could stay that way. Just keep doing what you're doing man. I learned proper wet blending technique from you, which I hated before. Haha.
I think the hate is so weird. 😅🎨🎨🎨 I did not like the look of speedpainted minis before too, until I tried them myself last year. Speedpaints are the perfect example of a medium designed for beginners, but can produce proper work, with the right technique. 😊
Its ridiculous how people want to dismiss certain painting techniques as not painting. Painting as a whole involves many complex techniques, tools and different paints etc. Painting is painting bro stop with the nonsense
I find this elitist type of people funny. To them, painting is what only guys like Giraldez or Calvo are doing. You know, those guys that had decades of practice and like to be fiddling an gimmicky with their processes, because they are painting for a living or for competitions, not just for fun or relaxation. I think that at some point they became mechanical, and don't even realize it. To the elitist, if you're not struggling for 100+ hours, it's not "painting", or "art". Even more funny, they have no idea that this technique was also used in cinematography, not only for traditional and miniature painting.
I like Sergio Calvo a ton more. Sergio also paints armies to relax. He does not film his army painting for UA-cam though. Sergio’s work also feels and looks more artistic for me. High level relaxing work. Giraldez is good. But feels too mechanical. Less artistic in his approach. 😊
Cambridge dictionary defines painting as "the skill or activity of making a picture or putting paint on a wall". Don, you're doing this on miniature busts, so I'm afraid it's officially game over for you, just delete the channel already :D Lmao the people out there... Cheers master!
It is painting just not good painting. This technique was literally designed for people who don't enjoy painting. So they can get models on the table as fast as possible, and that looks okay-ish. Now, there's nothing wrong with doing this. But some people get an ego after learning to slapchop and think they're great painters. They are not. Also people are afraid to put in the work to learn other ways of painting and will die defending this one easy technique they can do. Hidden behind a mountain of excuses.
All that matters is the result. If the result is good it’s good painting. You can do a shit job using ‘traditional’ layering methods or a good job using this method. Or vice versa. It’s always worth practicing all techniques, but you can do all of those methods on top of a base coat like this. They’re not mutually exclusive.
@iantellam9970 they're not mutually exclusive obviously. But this is just a basic technique that A LOT of people are using as a crutch. And some of them get insufferable defending this and claiming to be great painters. I have nothing against the technique just the culture of insufferable slackers that formed around it.
@@Ulrican414 I mean all kinds of people can be insufferable, thinking they’re great painters. Or insufferable because they look down their nose at people who use different techniques. At the end of the day one look at the model will reveal all you need to know. If it looks great it’s great, if it looks crap it’s crap. If someone got there using one method or another it’s irrelevant. You can push underpainted styles beyond basic ‘slapchop’ with a good understanding of the mediums you’re using and combining it with other techniques, as with this video, but like anything it requires practice and knowledge just like any approach. It’s not easy making it look genuinely good, beyond just tabletop acceptable. At some point it actually becomes ‘easier’ to use more traditional techniques to achieve good results.
@iantellam9970 ok whatever my guy. I'm just saying I don't like the slapchop community. They've become lazy and attached to this crutch/ training wheels that they refuse to take off and call themselves awesome painters. You're just throwing out generic obvious arguments like "they're not mutually exclusive or anyone can be annoying," so I'm done talking to you. Yes, you can improve upon a paint job after you slapchop, but if you're going to do that, you might as well not slapchop, IMO. If you're gonna put in the work starting from a slapchop foundation, it is a bit of a detriment, IMO. But do whatever you want. I'm done with this pointless discussion. If you wanna get better, stop slapchoping everything.
@ You’re right it’s not really slapchop if you’re doing other things - and that’s the point of something like this - developing beyond slapchop. I haven’t noticed anyone calling themselves ‘awesome’ for just doing it that way, just satisfied with their own results and good for them - it’s mainly seen a quick way to get minis on the table. Neither have i ever identified a ‘slapchop community’. Mostly just a rash of clickbaity videos. But it’s not any worse than any other speed painting technique and skills can be developed just as easily as starting from the GW approach or whatever you want. It’s objectively no easier than the traditional layer-wash-highlight really, which is still where most beginners still start and stay. Back when I started painting in the 90s it was the only way i knew how, as the internet wasn’t a thing and all I had was White Dwarfs to go by. It’s much better now that there’re a host of processes and techniques people can draw from now and combining and experimenting with a variety of techniques is the best way to learn and improve.
If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool
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Looks like painting to me
😅 Haha! Thanks man! 🎨🎨🎨
Grisaille underpainting is a very old painting technique where the artist uses neutral colors (grisaille is French for 'grayness') to paint the picture and ensure the contrast levels are where they want them, and then thinned transparent paints are used to color it in. We've simply adapted it to mini painting.
Bonus when I went and looked it up, it said an element of it was to give a way for 2D paintings to give off a statue feel. Seems fair game.
True. So true. Working with transparent is actually more complicated than it seems, than traditional painting with opaque paints. Elitist painters can be so amusing. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Keep ding what you do, my man. We dig it.
Thanks! Will do! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Haters are gonna hate…keep up gods work Don. You clearly have a superior grasp of color theory, brush control, paint techniques, etc. Love the videos man…they motivate me to improve on my own painting journey!
Thanks man! I appreciate your support! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Love the technique of using speedpaint medium as a way to blend the edges! Great color transitions!
Thanks for noticing! 😊🎨🎨🎨 I love mediums! 😊
Loving this chop on chop. Your use of speed paints is inspiring
Glad you like it! More to come! 😊🎨🎨🎨
That second slap chop layer produces some impressive results!
Thanks! It helps create depth and dimension. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Putting paint on something = painting. Some people are so weird. You rock, Don!
Yeah! Kinda weird, since I saw the commenter double and triple down last night. Unfortunately, I think he deleted his comments OR UA-cam removed the discourse. 😊
Merci de nous montrer cette façon de peindre, ça m’aide beaucoup 🎉 il me tarde de voir la prochaine vidéo 😊
Merci! More to come! 😊🎨🎨🎨
People are just mad an accessible technique has very good results. Paint models the way that makes you happy.
I have zero idea how people can be so elitist when it comes to a hobby. Totally agree! Do what makes you happy! Just enjoy the hobby! 😊🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos Unfortunately, I know a lot of guys like this. And not just when it comes to painting. Printing your minis is frowned upon by elitists (GW fan(atic)s especially), collecting bootleg figures is frowned upon (I just want a pretty figurine of my favorite fictional character, and don't want to break the bank paying for an overpriced product, just cause it's "original" or licensed, and this is why I love McFarlane products), using AI to boost your products (ok, this is a grey area, but still), and so on.
That is painting, for sure. Great job
Thank you! Cheers! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I've used this technique on a couple of bigger minis, it's great to create a good result in a fast and easy way.
It really is! Super fun! 😊🎨🎨🎨
You did a splendid with the speedpaint slap chop on the Cthulu miniature.
Foxbite brushes are decent contrast/shade wash tools, including for acrylic paints.
Cthulu Bust, yes! 😁🎨🎨🎨
The painting over a grey undertone that sets the the highlights and shadow is "grisaille" , a method used by many old masters. It's painting!
Keep up the great work Don. Kind regards to you and your family.
You got it! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Definitely painting. Have you tried this method on a mid-value primer with a warm or cool tone like Vallejo skeleton bone or desert tan, instead of a black primer? If you have, could you make a video of the results?
I’ve tried just warm-ish grey priner, then white drybrushing. The result is okay. But I had to apply more washes on the crevices to build more contrast. 😊
This looks great! I have a bunch of old Ones to paint for Cthulhu Death May Die, and I think this would be the easiest and most relaxing way!
I love that game! 😊🎨🎨🎨🌊
Awesome! Looks so good!
Thank you! So glad you liked the result! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Fantastic! The end result is just such a great mix of colors!
Hi! 👋🏽 So glad you liked the final result! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Love your videos Don, and I do like this method. I don't have all day or time to do highlights and more advanced methods, and this one does produces good results and bonus: I enjoy it more because It looks so nice and I can paint faster.
Glad you like it, I am really enjoying this method as well! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Thanks for this. I'll be painting a large miniature in the near future and these techniques will help a ton.
You are most welcome! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I do a lot of paint with regular and slapshop mixing, got to try this, looks great and fast to get a nice organic result.
Do tell me your results! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Choppychop works on space marines too.
Will try soon! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Haters will hate; bet that nerd can’t even paint eyes right. You are a boss and your style is unique and amazing Suratos
Haha! I haven’t actually met a hater, much more a gatekeeper that is good at what they do. Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Haters gonna hate, painting is an art not a technique. Respect 🤟.
People think, putting people down elevates them. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Superb stuff Don and excellent work. Have been painting miniatures over 40 years and some of those at a professional level for magazine adverts. Speed painting to me is a another painting technique and equally valid as any other. Keep up the good work
40 years! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Thanks! I wish to paint for 40 years too! 💙🎨🎨🎨
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Thanks kabayan! NO master, just mister! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I've seen your videos painting miniatures with oil paints. Great videos! This is my first time seeing the chop-on-chop. I wouldn't have thought of dry-brushing over slap-chop, brilliant! I thin down my speed paints and do multiple layers and wet blending but seeing the depth of color with chop-on-chop?! You've given me another tool to experiment with and improve my painting. Thank you! Subbed so I won't miss anything else!
Glad you enjoyed the video! Chop-on-chop is so much fun! But I miss painting with oils! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Anyone who says using speed paints isn't painting probably doesn't use them. People watch pro painters on UA-cam and think it looks easy. But using speed paints is a skill itself. I use contrast paints and while my army looks good my skills aren't at your level yet. I am getting a set of speed paints because of your videos so I can see how they work for me. Keep up the videos I love them.
Speedpaints are actually different or feels different in comparison to contrast paints. They can work together well though. 😊
I loved the thumbnail quote... by Einstein! Haha. Two levels: first, mocking. 😊 second, sooo many misquotes attributed to Einstein. I can just imagine him layering with his frizzy hair, chaffed at speedpaint 2.0! Amazing art, man. Ty for covering different techniques.
Thanks man, appreciate it! 😂 I just had to clap back man. 😛🎨🎨🎨
@DonSuratos those that cannot do, criticize.
@@VariousIdeas-f2q Almost always true! 😊
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How many chop should I chop to be proper chopper?
As many as you want. But I think around 3 chops would be optimal for good results. 😊
Speed paints see some occasional use on my end, and even though the majority of my painting is still straight up acrylic, I'm not going to crack on others for using them. I've learned they have a place in my painting repertoire and even though I don't fancy giving GW my money, Army Painter's Speedpaints 2.0 will do me just fine. Besides, you do some really good work with them, Don, so I can't say anything bad anyway.
Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨 GW contrast paints are pretty good too. But very overpriced in my opinion. 😊
@@DonSuratos Totally agree. GW/Citadel products are overpriced and overrated most of the time, IMO.
@ Not hating here man… but totally not worth my money in most cases. ☺️
Ok, definitely not painting... must be magic.. or... OMG... Witchcraft!! Beautiful work.
Hahahahahahahahaha! 😅🤣😂 Thanks man! 💙🎨🎨🎨
Do you suggest to always mix sp colors with medium ?
Only if you commit to applying multiple translucent layers. 😊
@DonSuratos thanks!
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@DonSuratos thanks. I'm browsing all your vids. They are gold
@ Camera and and audio of the older videos, are not as good as now bro. But glad you like them. 😊
Elitists suck at any level, so good for you Don!
I'm so tired of "eavy metal" style mini painters crapping on speedpaint just to boost their fragile egos.
Fragile egos! Hahahahahaha 🤣
If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool
Hey thanks man! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨
well now I know how Im going to paint my Cthulhu Death May Die 2 foot tall Cthulhu "mini"
I love that game so much! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I'm tickled you obscured the original commenter's username, but kept it exposed in your reply to him 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome job as always. Name em and shame em!
😅 You're right, I should have blurred them more! 😅🤣😂
What a weird take. To be completely honest, I don't use Speedpaints, but thats because I've just never been able to get them to look right to me, so I just kind of gave up on using them. I just use colors a few shades darker than what I want to work up to, layering up those highlights, while leaving the shaded areas the color of the basecoat. What I love about that method is you dont have to use a lot of washes, if at all. But to say what method of painting is, or is not painting is just weird to me. One thing I love about this hobby is that in the short time I've been into it, I've never really noticed a lot of gatekeeping, and it would really be cool if it could stay that way.
Just keep doing what you're doing man. I learned proper wet blending technique from you, which I hated before. Haha.
I think the hate is so weird. 😅🎨🎨🎨 I did not like the look of speedpainted minis before too, until I tried them myself last year. Speedpaints are the perfect example of a medium designed for beginners, but can produce proper work, with the right technique. 😊
Listen, im just glad slap-chop took the heat away from me and my airbrush, i got too much flak
😅🤣😂🎨🎨🎨
"..blah blah isn't painting" -sound like the words of someone who only watches videos and never actually picks up a paint brush.
Actually! You have a point. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Not painting. USE BRUSHES AND PAINTS isn't painting!!!!!
Jk looks great!
Someone said this is called “farming”. 😅🤣😂
I love how you did NOT paint that bust
Bahahahahaha! 😅🎨🎨🎨
People who try to gatekeep what constitutes "art" reek of low self-esteem.
Soooo true! I think you nailed it! 😊
Its ridiculous how people want to dismiss certain painting techniques as not painting. Painting as a whole involves many complex techniques, tools and different paints etc. Painting is painting bro stop with the nonsense
It is all about having fun with the process, right? 🎨
@DonSuratos exactly bro your very talented keep it up 👍
I find this elitist type of people funny. To them, painting is what only guys like Giraldez or Calvo are doing. You know, those guys that had decades of practice and like to be fiddling an gimmicky with their processes, because they are painting for a living or for competitions, not just for fun or relaxation. I think that at some point they became mechanical, and don't even realize it.
To the elitist, if you're not struggling for 100+ hours, it's not "painting", or "art".
Even more funny, they have no idea that this technique was also used in cinematography, not only for traditional and miniature painting.
I like Sergio Calvo a ton more. Sergio also paints armies to relax. He does not film his army painting for UA-cam though. Sergio’s work also feels and looks more artistic for me. High level relaxing work. Giraldez is good. But feels too mechanical. Less artistic in his approach. 😊
Cambridge dictionary defines painting as "the skill or activity of making a picture or putting paint on a wall". Don, you're doing this on miniature busts, so I'm afraid it's officially game over for you, just delete the channel already :D Lmao the people out there... Cheers master!
Bahahahahaha! Never thought of googling the dictionary definition. 😅🎨🎨🎨
It is painting just not good painting. This technique was literally designed for people who don't enjoy painting. So they can get models on the table as fast as possible, and that looks okay-ish.
Now, there's nothing wrong with doing this. But some people get an ego after learning to slapchop and think they're great painters. They are not. Also people are afraid to put in the work to learn other ways of painting and will die defending this one easy technique they can do. Hidden behind a mountain of excuses.
All that matters is the result. If the result is good it’s good painting. You can do a shit job using ‘traditional’ layering methods or a good job using this method. Or vice versa. It’s always worth practicing all techniques, but you can do all of those methods on top of a base coat like this. They’re not mutually exclusive.
@iantellam9970 they're not mutually exclusive obviously. But this is just a basic technique that A LOT of people are using as a crutch. And some of them get insufferable defending this and claiming to be great painters. I have nothing against the technique just the culture of insufferable slackers that formed around it.
@@Ulrican414 I mean all kinds of people can be insufferable, thinking they’re great painters. Or insufferable because they look down their nose at people who use different techniques. At the end of the day one look at the model will reveal all you need to know. If it looks great it’s great, if it looks crap it’s crap. If someone got there using one method or another it’s irrelevant.
You can push underpainted styles beyond basic ‘slapchop’ with a good understanding of the mediums you’re using and combining it with other techniques, as with this video, but like anything it requires practice and knowledge just like any approach. It’s not easy making it look genuinely good, beyond just tabletop acceptable. At some point it actually becomes ‘easier’ to use more traditional techniques to achieve good results.
@iantellam9970 ok whatever my guy. I'm just saying I don't like the slapchop community. They've become lazy and attached to this crutch/ training wheels that they refuse to take off and call themselves awesome painters.
You're just throwing out generic obvious arguments like "they're not mutually exclusive or anyone can be annoying," so I'm done talking to you.
Yes, you can improve upon a paint job after you slapchop, but if you're going to do that, you might as well not slapchop, IMO. If you're gonna put in the work starting from a slapchop foundation, it is a bit of a detriment, IMO. But do whatever you want.
I'm done with this pointless discussion. If you wanna get better, stop slapchoping everything.
@ You’re right it’s not really slapchop if you’re doing other things - and that’s the point of something like this - developing beyond slapchop. I haven’t noticed anyone calling themselves ‘awesome’ for just doing it that way, just satisfied with their own results and good for them - it’s mainly seen a quick way to get minis on the table. Neither have i ever identified a ‘slapchop community’. Mostly just a rash of clickbaity videos. But it’s not any worse than any other speed painting technique and skills can be developed just as easily as starting from the GW approach or whatever you want. It’s objectively no easier than the traditional layer-wash-highlight really, which is still where most beginners still start and stay. Back when I started painting in the 90s it was the only way i knew how, as the internet wasn’t a thing and all I had was White Dwarfs to go by. It’s much better now that there’re a host of processes and techniques people can draw from now and combining and experimenting with a variety of techniques is the best way to learn and improve.
If anything your technique takes more skill, to get higher highlights you need a bright background, kinda like watercolor painting. You can't just mix white into your highlights. Very cool
Thanks! Love the watercolor comparison. I have been a watercolor painter since I was 12 years old. 😊🎨🎨🎨